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* 400/4 seems cheap?siwilson
+* 400/4 seems cheap?wessie
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 by: siwilson - Sat, 27 Aug 2022 19:07 UTC

Not that I want to buy it, but this seems to be a bit of a bargain?

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/634957597837857/

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/Simon

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 by: wessie - Sat, 27 Aug 2022 19:37 UTC

siwilson <siwilson@nodamnspam.hotmail.com> wrote in news:jmv8bkF8ltgU1
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> Not that I want to buy it, but this seems to be a bit of a bargain?
>
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/634957597837857/
>

maybe the classic vehicle bubble is leaking and due for a substantial
correction?

who will want them once the baby boomer generation has died or gone gaga?

our millenial kids are unlikely to want such trinkets

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 by: Mike Fleming - Sat, 27 Aug 2022 20:52 UTC

On 27/08/2022 20:07, siwilson wrote:
> Not that I want to buy it, but this seems to be a bit of a bargain?
>
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/634957597837857/

Is it my eyes, or are there some elements of skewiffness about the rear
(4th photo along)? Might just be because the picture has been taken from
slightly right of centre.

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 by: crn...@nospam.com - Sat, 27 Aug 2022 23:10 UTC

Mike Fleming <mike@tauzero.co.uk> wrote:
> On 27/08/2022 20:07, siwilson wrote:
>> Not that I want to buy it, but this seems to be a bit of a bargain?
>>
>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/634957597837857/
>
> Is it my eyes, or are there some elements of skewiffness about the rear
> (4th photo along)? Might just be because the picture has been taken from
> slightly right of centre.

It would be a bargain if it had the correct exhaust.

--
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 by: siwilson - Sun, 28 Aug 2022 08:19 UTC

On 27/08/2022 21:52, Mike Fleming wrote:
> On 27/08/2022 20:07, siwilson wrote:
>> Not that I want to buy it, but this seems to be a bit of a bargain?
>>
>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/634957597837857/
>
> Is it my eyes, or are there some elements of skewiffness about the rear
> (4th photo along)? Might just be because the picture has been taken from
> slightly right of centre.

Dunno. TOG would have responded with a huge list of problems with it for
sure.

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/Simon

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 by: Ace - Sun, 28 Aug 2022 08:47 UTC

On Sat, 27 Aug 2022 23:10:25 -0000 (UTC), crn@nospam.com wrote:

>Mike Fleming <mike@tauzero.co.uk> wrote:
>> On 27/08/2022 20:07, siwilson wrote:
>>> Not that I want to buy it, but this seems to be a bit of a bargain?
>>>
>>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/634957597837857/

I've o idea about current values, but it doesn't seem _that_ cheap,
compared with 20 years ago when I had one, which went to Blaney for I
think around gbp1500, in 2004.

>> Is it my eyes, or are there some elements of skewiffness about the rear
>> (4th photo along)? Might just be because the picture has been taken from
>> slightly right of centre.

I think it's just your eyes, plus the slightly off-centerness, as you
say.

>It would be a bargain if it had the correct exhaust.

Mebbe, but Dave Silver still has pattern silencers for just 139 of
your British pounds, so that's easy to address.
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 by: siwilson - Sun, 28 Aug 2022 08:54 UTC

On 28/08/2022 09:47, Ace wrote:
> On Sat, 27 Aug 2022 23:10:25 -0000 (UTC), crn@nospam.com wrote:
>
>> Mike Fleming <mike@tauzero.co.uk> wrote:
>>> On 27/08/2022 20:07, siwilson wrote:
>>>> Not that I want to buy it, but this seems to be a bit of a bargain?
>>>>
>>>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/634957597837857/
>
>
> I've o idea about current values, but it doesn't seem _that_ cheap,
> compared with 20 years ago when I had one, which went to Blaney for I
> think around gbp1500, in 2004.
>

There are 3 on ebay right now, all of them over £4K, but, who knows.

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 by: Gyp - Sun, 28 Aug 2022 09:14 UTC

On 27/08/2022 20:37, wessie wrote:

>
> maybe the classic vehicle bubble is leaking and due for a substantial
> correction?

I suspect so. Prices seem to have gone a bit mad over the last few years
on most vehicles and that's not sustainable.

I advertised my boxer RT for a couple of grand about 3 years ago with
no takers and now they're being advertised for £5k-£6k.

500LCs that were silly prices at £15k are now £25k. There's people
wanting 6,7 even 8 grand for CX560s!

Mind you, as someone's just paid £3/4M for an Escort RS Turbo, I don't
think we can be sure the lunacy has ended just yet.

Even for run of the mill stuff it's still a bit silly. My neighbour has
just sold his Hyundai i10 for £250 less than he paid for it new 4 years ago.

> who will want them once the baby boomer generation has died or gone gaga?

I can't see there being a huge demand for Vincent Black Shadows in 50
years time.

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 by: Ben Blaney - Mon, 29 Aug 2022 16:24 UTC

On Saturday, August 27, 2022 at 3:07:34 PM UTC-4, siwilson wrote:
> Not that I want to buy it, but this seems to be a bit of a bargain?
>
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/634957597837857/

Even if you don't want to buy it, you should buy it.

You're welcome.

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 by: Ben Blaney - Mon, 29 Aug 2022 16:24 UTC

On Sunday, August 28, 2022 at 4:19:18 AM UTC-4, siwilson wrote:

> Dunno. TOG would have responded with a huge list of problems with it for
> sure.

Am a little bit annoyed with TOG right now for being dead.

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 by: Ben Blaney - Mon, 29 Aug 2022 16:34 UTC

On Sunday, August 28, 2022 at 5:14:32 AM UTC-4, Gyp wrote:

> I suspect so. Prices seem to have gone a bit mad over the last few years
> on most vehicles and that's not sustainable.
>
> I advertised my boxer RT for a couple of grand about 3 years ago with
> no takers and now they're being advertised for £5k-£6k.
>
> 500LCs that were silly prices at £15k are now £25k. There's people
> wanting 6,7 even 8 grand for CX560s!

I saw an RC30 for 50k. Last time I looked - goodness knows when - they were 25k.

> Mind you, as someone's just paid £3/4M for an Escort RS Turbo, I don't
> think we can be sure the lunacy has ended just yet.

Princess Diana's one only went for £725k
> > who will want them once the baby boomer generation has died or gone gaga?
> I can't see there being a huge demand for Vincent Black Shadows in 50
> years time.

I suppose this is where Champ would invoke his formula of age * rarity * contemporaneous interest factor.

I must admit, owing to an issue with my CBX restoration [0] I find myself wanting a modern bike that (a) always starts, (b) isn't always broken in some degree (c) I don't have to be kind to.

[0] It needs a new tank [1]
[1] They're unobtanium

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 by: siwilson - Mon, 29 Aug 2022 16:37 UTC

On 29/08/2022 17:24, Ben Blaney wrote:
> On Saturday, August 27, 2022 at 3:07:34 PM UTC-4, siwilson wrote:
>> Not that I want to buy it, but this seems to be a bit of a bargain?
>>
>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/634957597837857/
>
> Even if you don't want to buy it, you should buy it.
>
> You're welcome.

Ha. I came *very* close to buying a KTM790 Duke recently. But, I needed
to sell at least one bike first a) for the space and b) to fund it.

Luckily/disappointingly the person selling said bike couldn't risk
waiting for me anymore and advertised it on ebay where it got snapped up
in hours.

--
/Simon

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 by: Higgins - Mon, 29 Aug 2022 17:18 UTC

Gyp <a@b.c> wrote:
> On 27/08/2022 20:37, wessie wrote:
>
>>
>> maybe the classic vehicle bubble is leaking and due for a substantial
>> correction?
>
> I suspect so. Prices seem to have gone a bit mad over the last few years
> on most vehicles and that's not sustainable.
>
> I advertised my boxer RT for a couple of grand about 3 years ago with
> no takers and now they're being advertised for £5k-£6k.
>
> 500LCs that were silly prices at £15k are now £25k. There's people
> wanting 6,7 even 8 grand for CX560s!
>
Well, yes, there’s quite a bit of rarity value in those.

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 by: ogden - Mon, 29 Aug 2022 18:05 UTC

Ben Blaney wrote:
> Gyp wrote:
> > Mind you, as someone's just paid £3/4M for an Escort RS Turbo, I don't
> > think we can be sure the lunacy has ended just yet.
>
> Princess Diana's one only went for £725k

Yes. 3/4 of a million, give or take. Plus a hefty buyer's premium.

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 by: YTC#1 - Mon, 29 Aug 2022 18:50 UTC

On 29/08/2022 17:24, Ben Blaney wrote:
> On Sunday, August 28, 2022 at 4:19:18 AM UTC-4, siwilson wrote:
>
>> Dunno. TOG would have responded with a huge list of problems with it for
>> sure.
>
> Am a little bit annoyed with TOG right now for being dead.

We need a TOGbot
--
Bruce Porter
"The internet is a huge and diverse community but mainly friendly"
http://ytc1.blogspot.co.uk/
There *is* an alternative! http://www.openoffice.org/

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 by: Turby - Mon, 29 Aug 2022 19:24 UTC

On 8/29/2022 9:24 AM, Ben Blaney wrote:
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> Am a little bit annoyed with TOG right now for being dead.

+1

--
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FJR1300, R1200GS & ST1100 (in memoriam)

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Ace <Ace@ch.com> wrote:
>
> think around gbp1500, in 2004.
>
>>> Is it my eyes, or are there some elements of skewiffness about the rear
>>> (4th photo along)? Might just be because the picture has been taken from
>>> slightly right of centre.
>
> I think it's just your eyes, plus the slightly off-centerness, as you
> say.
>
>>It would be a bargain if it had the correct exhaust.
>
> Mebbe, but Dave Silver still has pattern silencers for just 139 of
> your British pounds, so that's easy to address.

Erm-no. The problem is the non-standard 4 into 1 header.
Good luck finding the correct one.

--
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 by: Gyp - Tue, 30 Aug 2022 06:36 UTC

On 29/08/2022 17:34, Ben Blaney wrote:

>> Mind you, as someone's just paid £3/4M for an Escort RS Turbo, I don't
>> think we can be sure the lunacy has ended just yet.
>
> Princess Diana's one only went for £725k

Are you interpreting my 3/4 as three to four rather than three quarters?

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 by: Ace - Tue, 30 Aug 2022 08:32 UTC

On Tue, 30 Aug 2022 00:26:58 -0000 (UTC), crn@nospam.com wrote:

>Ace <Ace@ch.com> wrote:
>>
>> think around gbp1500, in 2004.
>>
>>>> Is it my eyes, or are there some elements of skewiffness about the rear
>>>> (4th photo along)? Might just be because the picture has been taken from
>>>> slightly right of centre.
>>
>> I think it's just your eyes, plus the slightly off-centerness, as you
>> say.
>>
>>>It would be a bargain if it had the correct exhaust.
>>
>> Mebbe, but Dave Silver still has pattern silencers for just 139 of
>> your British pounds, so that's easy to address.
>
>Erm-no. The problem is the non-standard 4 into 1 header.
>Good luck finding the correct one.

I didn't look beyond the silencer, which is certainly wrong, but yes,
the headers aren't even the right shape. Probably cobbled together
from a set designed for something else.

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Ace
http://www.chaletbeauroc.com/

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 by: siwilson - Tue, 30 Aug 2022 08:39 UTC

On 30/08/2022 09:32, Ace wrote:
> On Tue, 30 Aug 2022 00:26:58 -0000 (UTC), crn@nospam.com wrote:
>
>> Ace <Ace@ch.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> think around gbp1500, in 2004.
>>>
>>>>> Is it my eyes, or are there some elements of skewiffness about the rear
>>>>> (4th photo along)? Might just be because the picture has been taken from
>>>>> slightly right of centre.
>>>
>>> I think it's just your eyes, plus the slightly off-centerness, as you
>>> say.
>>>
>>>> It would be a bargain if it had the correct exhaust.
>>>
>>> Mebbe, but Dave Silver still has pattern silencers for just 139 of
>>> your British pounds, so that's easy to address.
>>
>> Erm-no. The problem is the non-standard 4 into 1 header.
>> Good luck finding the correct one.
>
> I didn't look beyond the silencer, which is certainly wrong, but yes,
> the headers aren't even the right shape. Probably cobbled together
> from a set designed for something else.
>

I think it's a Motad.

--
/Simon

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 by: WUN - Tue, 30 Aug 2022 22:22 UTC

On Tuesday, August 30, 2022 at 1:27:00 AM UTC+1, c...@nospam.com wrote:

> Erm-no. The problem is the non-standard 4 into 1 header.
> Good luck finding the correct one.

"Senator, I rode with TOG. I knew TOG. TOG was a friend of mine. Senator, you're no TOG.".

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 by: Champ - Wed, 31 Aug 2022 14:50 UTC

On Sat, 27 Aug 2022 19:37:43 -0000 (UTC), wessie
<willnotwork@tesco.net> wrote:

>who will want them once the baby boomer generation has died or gone gaga?
>
>our millenial kids are unlikely to want such trinkets

Look at the prices for bikes from the 50s, 40s or 30s and earlier, and
see if the "demand will die once those that remember them are gone"
still holds water
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neal at champ dot org dot uk

I don't know, but I been told
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 by: Champ - Wed, 31 Aug 2022 15:32 UTC

On Mon, 29 Aug 2022 17:18:48 -0000 (UTC), Higgins
<the.best.names.are.gone@gmail.com> wrote:

>Gyp <a@b.c> wrote:

>> There's people wanting 6,7 even 8 grand for CX560s!

>Well, yes, there’s quite a bit of rarity value in those.

heh
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Champ
neal at champ dot org dot uk

I don't know, but I been told
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 by: Champ - Wed, 31 Aug 2022 15:33 UTC

On Tue, 30 Aug 2022 15:22:01 -0700 (PDT), WUN <nigel.eaton@gmail.com>
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>On Tuesday, August 30, 2022 at 1:27:00 AM UTC+1, c...@nospam.com wrote:
>
>> Erm-no. The problem is the non-standard 4 into 1 header.
>> Good luck finding the correct one.

>"Senator, I rode with TOG. I knew TOG. TOG was a friend of mine. Senator, you're no TOG.".

heh
--
Champ
neal at champ dot org dot uk

I don't know, but I been told
You never slow down, you never grow old

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 by: Champ - Wed, 31 Aug 2022 15:34 UTC

On Mon, 29 Aug 2022 09:24:37 -0700 (PDT), Ben Blaney
<benblaney@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sunday, August 28, 2022 at 4:19:18 AM UTC-4, siwilson wrote:
>
>> Dunno. TOG would have responded with a huge list of problems with it for
>> sure.

>Am a little bit annoyed with TOG right now for being dead.

Heh always was bloody inconsiderate
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neal at champ dot org dot uk

I don't know, but I been told
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