I’ve been trying out this new feature using Ventura beta on my M1 MacBook
Pro and it certainly seems an intriguing way of organising running apps on
your Desktop. Howard Oakley has today provided a good review of what to
expect next month when Ventura launches.

<https://eclecticlight.co/2022/09/12/why-venturas-stage-manager-is-so-important/>

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Cheers, Alan

On 12 Sep 2022 at 8:43:37 am BST, "Alan B"
<alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:

> I’ve been trying out this new feature using Ventura beta on my M1 MacBook
> Pro and it certainly seems an intriguing way of organising running apps on
> your Desktop. Howard Oakley has today provided a good review of what to
> expect next month when Ventura launches.
>
> <https://eclecticlight.co/2022/09/12/why-venturas-stage-manager-is-so-important/>

I've just read the Oakley article, and I'm not clear what this offers that
Spaces doesn't, apart from prettiness.

For years I've used Spaces (and before that, a couple of third-party
implementations of the same idea) to have 12 desktops/spaces, with keyboard
shortcuts assigned to them. Mail on one, news on another, a group of windows
relating to a project on another, etc etc.

But I suspect I'm missing something..?
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On 2022-09-12, TimH <thnews@poboxmolar.com.invalid> wrote:
> On 12 Sep 2022 at 8:43:37 am BST, "Alan B"
><alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
>
>> I’ve been trying out this new feature using Ventura beta on my M1 MacBook
>> Pro and it certainly seems an intriguing way of organising running apps on
>> your Desktop. Howard Oakley has today provided a good review of what to
>> expect next month when Ventura launches.
>>
>> <https://eclecticlight.co/2022/09/12/why-venturas-stage-manager-is-so-important/>
>
> I've just read the Oakley article, and I'm not clear what this offers that
> Spaces doesn't, apart from prettiness.
>
> For years I've used Spaces (and before that, a couple of third-party
> implementations of the same idea) to have 12 desktops/spaces, with keyboard
> shortcuts assigned to them. Mail on one, news on another, a group of windows
> relating to a project on another, etc etc.
>
> But I suspect I'm missing something..?

For whatever reason, I've never used Spaces so this is all new to me. Perhaps I should
have tried Spaces first!!! Anyway I will make time to use Spaces and compare the two
approaches.

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Cheers, Alan

On 2022-09-12, Alan B <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
> On 2022-09-12, TimH <thnews@poboxmolar.com.invalid> wrote:
>> On 12 Sep 2022 at 8:43:37 am BST, "Alan B"
>><alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> I’ve been trying out this new feature using Ventura beta on my M1 MacBook
>>> Pro and it certainly seems an intriguing way of organising running apps on
>>> your Desktop. Howard Oakley has today provided a good review of what to
>>> expect next month when Ventura launches.
>>>
>>> <https://eclecticlight.co/2022/09/12/why-venturas-stage-manager-is-so-important/>
>>
>> I've just read the Oakley article, and I'm not clear what this offers that
>> Spaces doesn't, apart from prettiness.
>>
>> For years I've used Spaces (and before that, a couple of third-party
>> implementations of the same idea) to have 12 desktops/spaces, with keyboard
>> shortcuts assigned to them. Mail on one, news on another, a group of windows
>> relating to a project on another, etc etc.
>>
>> But I suspect I'm missing something..?
>
> For whatever reason, I've never used Spaces so this is all new to me. Perhaps I should
> have tried Spaces first!!! Anyway I will make time to use Spaces and compare the two
> approaches.

OK I've had a short go with Spaces. I'd say SM looks more elegant in that, e.g. It minimises
Desktop clutter. You can clearly see which apps are open without looking at the Dock,
especially if the latter auto hides. It was nice to discover that you can still cut/copy
& paste and use dragging with SM active. It's an evolving technology so lots of features
to explore both now and in future releases.

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Cheers, Alan

On 12 Sep 2022 at 11:07:23 BST, Alan B wrote:

> On 2022-09-12, TimH <thnews@poboxmolar.com.invalid> wrote:
>> On 12 Sep 2022 at 8:43:37 am BST, "Alan B"
>> <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> I’ve been trying out this new feature using Ventura beta on my M1 MacBook
>>> Pro and it certainly seems an intriguing way of organising running apps on
>>> your Desktop. Howard Oakley has today provided a good review of what to
>>> expect next month when Ventura launches.
>>>
>>> <https://eclecticlight.co/2022/09/12/why-venturas-stage-manager-is-so-important/>
>>
>> I've just read the Oakley article, and I'm not clear what this offers that
>> Spaces doesn't, apart from prettiness.
>>
>> For years I've used Spaces (and before that, a couple of third-party
>> implementations of the same idea) to have 12 desktops/spaces, with keyboard
>> shortcuts assigned to them. Mail on one, news on another, a group of windows
>> relating to a project on another, etc etc.
>>
>> But I suspect I'm missing something..?
>

Having just watched https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3hUk0zsxc4 (Spaces
tutorial) Stage Manager looks like a prettier way of doing Spaces on just one
desktop. I think.

> For whatever reason, I've never used Spaces so this is all new to me. Perhaps
> I should
> have tried Spaces first!!! Anyway I will make time to use Spaces and compare
> the two
> approaches.

No, me neither, but I think I'll take a look - looks handy.

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Cheers, Rob, Sheffield UK

RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com> wrote:
> On 12 Sep 2022 at 11:07:23 BST, Alan B wrote:
>
>> On 2022-09-12, TimH <thnews@poboxmolar.com.invalid> wrote:
>>> On 12 Sep 2022 at 8:43:37 am BST, "Alan B"
>>> <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I’ve been trying out this new feature using Ventura beta on my M1 MacBook
>>>> Pro and it certainly seems an intriguing way of organising running apps on
>>>> your Desktop. Howard Oakley has today provided a good review of what to
>>>> expect next month when Ventura launches.
>>>>
>>>> <https://eclecticlight.co/2022/09/12/why-venturas-stage-manager-is-so-important/>
>>>
>>> I've just read the Oakley article, and I'm not clear what this offers that
>>> Spaces doesn't, apart from prettiness.
>>>
>>> For years I've used Spaces (and before that, a couple of third-party
>>> implementations of the same idea) to have 12 desktops/spaces, with keyboard
>>> shortcuts assigned to them. Mail on one, news on another, a group of windows
>>> relating to a project on another, etc etc.
>>>
>>> But I suspect I'm missing something..?
>>
>
> Having just watched https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3hUk0zsxc4 (Spaces
> tutorial) Stage Manager looks like a prettier way of doing Spaces on just one
> desktop. I think.
>
>> For whatever reason, I've never used Spaces so this is all new to me. Perhaps
>> I should
>> have tried Spaces first!!! Anyway I will make time to use Spaces and compare
>> the two
>> approaches.
>
> No, me neither, but I think I'll take a look - looks handy.

You can of course use both Spaces and SM at the same time.

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Cheers, Alan

On 12 Sep 2022 at 1:19:56 pm BST, "Alan B"
<alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:

> OK I've had a short go with Spaces. I'd say SM looks more elegant in that,
> e.g. It minimises
> Desktop clutter. You can clearly see which apps are open without looking at
> the Dock,
> especially if the latter auto hides.

Isn't that only true if you don't autohide SM, which then takes up space
instead of the Dock?
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On 2022-09-12, TimH <thnews@poboxmolar.com.invalid> wrote:
> On 12 Sep 2022 at 1:19:56 pm BST, "Alan B"
><alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
>
>> OK I've had a short go with Spaces. I'd say SM looks more elegant in that,
>> e.g. It minimises
>> Desktop clutter. You can clearly see which apps are open without looking at
>> the Dock,
>> especially if the latter auto hides.
>
> Isn't that only true if you don't autohide SM, which then takes up space
> instead of the Dock?

I can see the other open app icons on the Desktop whether the Dock is hidden or not, if
that was what you meant?

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Cheers, Alan

Alan B <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
> On 2022-09-12, TimH <thnews@poboxmolar.com.invalid> wrote:
>> On 12 Sep 2022 at 1:19:56 pm BST, "Alan B"
>> <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> OK I've had a short go with Spaces. I'd say SM looks more elegant in that,
>>> e.g. It minimises
>>> Desktop clutter. You can clearly see which apps are open without looking at
>>> the Dock,
>>> especially if the latter auto hides.
>>
>> Isn't that only true if you don't autohide SM, which then takes up space
>> instead of the Dock?
>
> I can see the other open app icons on the Desktop whether the Dock is hidden or not, if
> that was what you meant?

I guess I should refer to the icons I see on the Desktop as Cast Members
representing the windows of the open apps other than the one I’m currently
using?

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Cheers, Alan

On 12 Sep 2022 at 13:21:40 BST, "RJH" <patchmoney@gmx.com> wrote:

> On 12 Sep 2022 at 11:07:23 BST, Alan B wrote:
>
>> On 2022-09-12, TimH <thnews@poboxmolar.com.invalid> wrote:
>>> On 12 Sep 2022 at 8:43:37 am BST, "Alan B"
>>> <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I’ve been trying out this new feature using Ventura beta on my M1 MacBook
>>>> Pro and it certainly seems an intriguing way of organising running apps on
>>>> your Desktop. Howard Oakley has today provided a good review of what to
>>>> expect next month when Ventura launches.
>>>>
>>>> <https://eclecticlight.co/2022/09/12/why-venturas-stage-manager-is-so-important/>
>>>
>>> I've just read the Oakley article, and I'm not clear what this offers that
>>> Spaces doesn't, apart from prettiness.
>>>
>>> For years I've used Spaces (and before that, a couple of third-party
>>> implementations of the same idea) to have 12 desktops/spaces, with keyboard
>>> shortcuts assigned to them. Mail on one, news on another, a group of windows
>>> relating to a project on another, etc etc.
>>>
>>> But I suspect I'm missing something..?
>>
>
> Having just watched https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3hUk0zsxc4 (Spaces
> tutorial) Stage Manager looks like a prettier way of doing Spaces on just one
> desktop. I think.
>

I had a play with it over the weekend, and yes - but I've already
settled into Spaces and fullscreen apps, so it's a retrograde sort of
prettiness.

I imagine it'll be helpful for people switching between a MacBook and an
iPad Pro a lot, unifying the UI a little.

Cheers - Jaimie
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- Marcus Tullius Cicero, 106-43 BC

On 12 Sep 2022 at 3:06:35 pm BST, "Alan B"
<alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:

> On 2022-09-12, TimH <thnews@poboxmolar.com.invalid> wrote:
>> On 12 Sep 2022 at 1:19:56 pm BST, "Alan B"
>> <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> OK I've had a short go with Spaces. I'd say SM looks more elegant in that,
>>> e.g. It minimises
>>> Desktop clutter. You can clearly see which apps are open without looking at
>>> the Dock,
>>> especially if the latter auto hides.
>>
>> Isn't that only true if you don't autohide SM, which then takes up space
>> instead of the Dock?
>
> I can see the other open app icons on the Desktop whether the Dock is hidden
> or not, if
> that was what you meant?

Yes. It looks from Howard Oakley's screenshots as though the column of Cast
members (really not sure about this theatrical theme :) takes up at least as
much space as the Dock would. I suppose if they get round to enabling kb
shortcuts for all this you won't need the Cast to be visible, but again, I
can't see the advantage over Spaces.
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