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 by: Rod Speed - Tue, 2 Aug 2022 03:02 UTC

On Tue, 02 Aug 2022 12:30:51 +1000, Mountain Magpie <nothanks@nospam.org>
wrote:

> On Tue, 2 Aug 2022 05:39:30 +1000, Daryl posted:-
>
>> On 1/8/2022 10:13 pm, Mountain Magpie wrote:
>> > On Sat, 30 Jul 2022 05:01:33 +1000, Rod Speed posted:-
>> >
>> >> Why would they deliberately make fools of themselves
>> >> with a project that can't possibly be viable ?
>> >
>> > They already have made fools of themselves with nonviable inter
>> > capital flights.
>>
>> Why would those flights be "nonviable"?
>
> Load factors?
>>
>> How long before they go belly up, and once again Qantas are
>> > asked to pick up the pieces?
>> >
>> > And the Saab aircraft they use must be costing heaps to keep in the
>> > air.
>> >
>> Why more expensive to maintain than anything else?
>
> Age of the metal.

That's silly. Plenty are still running DC3s and a few Electras, much older.

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 by: Mountain Magpie - Tue, 2 Aug 2022 03:32 UTC

On Tue, 02 Aug 2022 13:02:35 +1000, Rod Speed posted:-

> On Tue, 02 Aug 2022 12:30:51 +1000, Mountain Magpie
> <nothanks@nospam.org> wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 2 Aug 2022 05:39:30 +1000, Daryl posted:-
> >
> >> On 1/8/2022 10:13 pm, Mountain Magpie wrote:
> >> > On Sat, 30 Jul 2022 05:01:33 +1000, Rod Speed posted:-
> >> >
> >> >> Why would they deliberately make fools of themselves
> >> >> with a project that can't possibly be viable ?
> >> >
> >> > They already have made fools of themselves with nonviable inter
> >> > capital flights.
> >>
> >> Why would those flights be "nonviable"?
> >
> > Load factors?
> >>
> >> How long before they go belly up, and once again Qantas are
> >> > asked to pick up the pieces?
> >> >
> >> > And the Saab aircraft they use must be costing heaps to keep in
> >> > the air.
> >> >
> >> Why more expensive to maintain than anything else?
> >
> > Age of the metal.
>
> That's silly. Plenty are still running DC3s and a few Electras, much
> older.

But not reliant on for revenue producing flights.

LOL Last DC3 I was on was Butler Airlines, Sydney to Burren Junction
FFS. Only pax on board.

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 by: Rod Speed - Tue, 2 Aug 2022 06:06 UTC

On Tue, 02 Aug 2022 13:32:03 +1000, Mountain Magpie <nothanks@nospam.org>
wrote:

> On Tue, 02 Aug 2022 13:02:35 +1000, Rod Speed posted:-
>
>> On Tue, 02 Aug 2022 12:30:51 +1000, Mountain Magpie
>> <nothanks@nospam.org> wrote:
>>
>> > On Tue, 2 Aug 2022 05:39:30 +1000, Daryl posted:-
>> >
>> >> On 1/8/2022 10:13 pm, Mountain Magpie wrote:
>> >> > On Sat, 30 Jul 2022 05:01:33 +1000, Rod Speed posted:-
>> >> >
>> >> >> Why would they deliberately make fools of themselves
>> >> >> with a project that can't possibly be viable ?
>> >> >
>> >> > They already have made fools of themselves with nonviable inter
>> >> > capital flights.
>> >>
>> >> Why would those flights be "nonviable"?
>> >
>> > Load factors?
>> >>
>> >> How long before they go belly up, and once again Qantas are
>> >> > asked to pick up the pieces?
>> >> >
>> >> > And the Saab aircraft they use must be costing heaps to keep in
>> >> > the air.
>> >> >
>> >> Why more expensive to maintain than anything else?
>> >
>> > Age of the metal.
>>
>> That's silly. Plenty are still running DC3s and a few Electras, much
>> older.

> But not reliant on for revenue producing flights.

Wrong. as always. That's what Buffalo uses their Electras for
and thats what plenty of DC3s are used for in Africa etc and
other stuff older than the SAAB 340B.

> LOL Last DC3 I was on was Butler Airlines, Sydney to Burren Junction
> FFS. Only pax on board.

Irrevant to your stupid line about SAAB 340Bs.

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 by: Mountain Magpie - Tue, 2 Aug 2022 07:03 UTC

On Tue, 02 Aug 2022 16:06:26 +1000, Rod Speed posted:-

> On Tue, 02 Aug 2022 13:32:03 +1000, Mountain Magpie
> <nothanks@nospam.org> wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 02 Aug 2022 13:02:35 +1000, Rod Speed posted:-
> >
> >> On Tue, 02 Aug 2022 12:30:51 +1000, Mountain Magpie
> >> <nothanks@nospam.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> > On Tue, 2 Aug 2022 05:39:30 +1000, Daryl posted:-
> >> >
> >> >> On 1/8/2022 10:13 pm, Mountain Magpie wrote:
> >> >> > On Sat, 30 Jul 2022 05:01:33 +1000, Rod Speed posted:-
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> Why would they deliberately make fools of themselves
> >> >> >> with a project that can't possibly be viable ?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > They already have made fools of themselves with nonviable
> >> >> > inter capital flights.
> >> >>
> >> >> Why would those flights be "nonviable"?
> >> >
> >> > Load factors?
> >> >>
> >> >> How long before they go belly up, and once again Qantas are
> >> >> > asked to pick up the pieces?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > And the Saab aircraft they use must be costing heaps to keep
> >> >> > in the air.
> >> >> >
> >> >> Why more expensive to maintain than anything else?
> >> >
> >> > Age of the metal.
> >>
> >> That's silly. Plenty are still running DC3s and a few Electras,
> >> much older.
>
> > But not reliant on for revenue producing flights.
>
> Wrong. as always. That's what Buffalo uses their Electras for
> and thats what plenty of DC3s are used for in Africa etc and
> other stuff older than the SAAB 340B.

Freight services, dickhead.
>
> > LOL Last DC3 I was on was Butler Airlines, Sydney to Burren Junction
> > FFS. Only pax on board.
>
> Irrevant to your stupid line about SAAB 340Bs.

Time to take your head out of your smelly arse, Roddles.

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 by: Rod Speed - Tue, 2 Aug 2022 10:01 UTC

On Tue, 02 Aug 2022 17:03:00 +1000, Mountain Magpie <nothanks@nospam.org>
wrote:

> On Tue, 02 Aug 2022 16:06:26 +1000, Rod Speed posted:-
>
>> On Tue, 02 Aug 2022 13:32:03 +1000, Mountain Magpie
>> <nothanks@nospam.org> wrote:
>>
>> > On Tue, 02 Aug 2022 13:02:35 +1000, Rod Speed posted:-
>> >
>> >> On Tue, 02 Aug 2022 12:30:51 +1000, Mountain Magpie
>> >> <nothanks@nospam.org> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > On Tue, 2 Aug 2022 05:39:30 +1000, Daryl posted:-
>> >> >
>> >> >> On 1/8/2022 10:13 pm, Mountain Magpie wrote:
>> >> >> > On Sat, 30 Jul 2022 05:01:33 +1000, Rod Speed posted:-
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> Why would they deliberately make fools of themselves
>> >> >> >> with a project that can't possibly be viable ?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > They already have made fools of themselves with nonviable
>> >> >> > inter capital flights.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Why would those flights be "nonviable"?
>> >> >
>> >> > Load factors?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> How long before they go belly up, and once again Qantas are
>> >> >> > asked to pick up the pieces?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > And the Saab aircraft they use must be costing heaps to keep
>> >> >> > in the air.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> Why more expensive to maintain than anything else?
>> >> >
>> >> > Age of the metal.
>> >>
>> >> That's silly. Plenty are still running DC3s and a few Electras,
>> >> much older.
>>
>> > But not reliant on for revenue producing flights.
>>
>> Wrong. as always. That's what Buffalo uses their Electras for
>> and thats what plenty of DC3s are used for in Africa etc and
>> other stuff older than the SAAB 340B.

> Freight services, dickhead.

Nope, they carry pax as well.

>> > LOL Last DC3 I was on was Butler Airlines, Sydney to Burren Junction
>> > FFS. Only pax on board.
>>
>> Irrevant to your stupid line about SAAB 340Bs.
>
> Time to take your head out of your smelly arse, Roddles.

You never could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag.

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 by: Daryl - Tue, 2 Aug 2022 10:09 UTC

On 2/8/2022 12:30 pm, Mountain Magpie wrote:
> On Tue, 2 Aug 2022 05:39:30 +1000, Daryl posted:-
>
>> On 1/8/2022 10:13 pm, Mountain Magpie wrote:
>>> On Sat, 30 Jul 2022 05:01:33 +1000, Rod Speed posted:-
>>>
>>>> Why would they deliberately make fools of themselves
>>>> with a project that can't possibly be viable ?
>>>
>>> They already have made fools of themselves with nonviable inter
>>> capital flights.
>>
>> Why would those flights be "nonviable"?
>
> Load factors?

Brother in law flew REX Melb Bris this afternoon, plane was almost full.

>>
>> How long before they go belly up, and once again Qantas are
>>> asked to pick up the pieces?
>>>
>>> And the Saab aircraft they use must be costing heaps to keep in the
>>> air.
>>>
>> Why more expensive to maintain than anything else?
>
> Age of the metal.

May or may not be a problem depending on the particular aircraft but I
do know that almost any aircraft can be maintained and keep flying for
many years, according to their website they have 61 SAAB's so it would
be reasonable to assume that they know a bit about them.
Their have 122 aircraft in their fleet so not a small operation.
They mostly update to newer models because newer designs use less fuel
but I don't know if that applies to whatever would replace the SAAB's,
only an operator of that type would know.

--
Daryl

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 by: Daryl - Tue, 2 Aug 2022 10:13 UTC

On 2/8/2022 1:32 pm, Mountain Magpie wrote:
> On Tue, 02 Aug 2022 13:02:35 +1000, Rod Speed posted:-
>
>> On Tue, 02 Aug 2022 12:30:51 +1000, Mountain Magpie
>> <nothanks@nospam.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 2 Aug 2022 05:39:30 +1000, Daryl posted:-
>>>
>>>> On 1/8/2022 10:13 pm, Mountain Magpie wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 30 Jul 2022 05:01:33 +1000, Rod Speed posted:-
>>>>>
>>>>>> Why would they deliberately make fools of themselves
>>>>>> with a project that can't possibly be viable ?
>>>>>
>>>>> They already have made fools of themselves with nonviable inter
>>>>> capital flights.
>>>>
>>>> Why would those flights be "nonviable"?
>>>
>>> Load factors?
>>>>
>>>> How long before they go belly up, and once again Qantas are
>>>>> asked to pick up the pieces?
>>>>>
>>>>> And the Saab aircraft they use must be costing heaps to keep in
>>>>> the air.
>>>>>
>>>> Why more expensive to maintain than anything else?
>>>
>>> Age of the metal.
>>
>> That's silly. Plenty are still running DC3s and a few Electras, much
>> older.
>
> But not reliant on for revenue producing flights.

Look up Buffalo Airways in Canada, they still use DC3's for cargo
flights, they also use Electras for cargo and firefighting.
>
> LOL Last DC3 I was on was Butler Airlines, Sydney to Burren Junction
> FFS. Only pax on board.
>

Last time I looked a DC3 was doing a regular tourist flight from
Melbourne Essendon airport to King Island and return.

--
Daryl

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Subject: Re: Talk about hare brained...
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 by: Daryl - Tue, 2 Aug 2022 10:16 UTC

On 2/8/2022 5:03 pm, Mountain Magpie wrote:
> On Tue, 02 Aug 2022 16:06:26 +1000, Rod Speed posted:-
>
>> On Tue, 02 Aug 2022 13:32:03 +1000, Mountain Magpie
>> <nothanks@nospam.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 02 Aug 2022 13:02:35 +1000, Rod Speed posted:-
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 02 Aug 2022 12:30:51 +1000, Mountain Magpie
>>>> <nothanks@nospam.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 2 Aug 2022 05:39:30 +1000, Daryl posted:-
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 1/8/2022 10:13 pm, Mountain Magpie wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sat, 30 Jul 2022 05:01:33 +1000, Rod Speed posted:-
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Why would they deliberately make fools of themselves
>>>>>>>> with a project that can't possibly be viable ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They already have made fools of themselves with nonviable
>>>>>>> inter capital flights.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why would those flights be "nonviable"?
>>>>>
>>>>> Load factors?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How long before they go belly up, and once again Qantas are
>>>>>>> asked to pick up the pieces?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And the Saab aircraft they use must be costing heaps to keep
>>>>>>> in the air.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why more expensive to maintain than anything else?
>>>>>
>>>>> Age of the metal.
>>>>
>>>> That's silly. Plenty are still running DC3s and a few Electras,
>>>> much older.
>>
>>> But not reliant on for revenue producing flights.
>>
>> Wrong. as always. That's what Buffalo uses their Electras for
>> and thats what plenty of DC3s are used for in Africa etc and
>> other stuff older than the SAAB 340B.
>
> Freight services, dickhead.

They don't do it for nothing so they are still "revenue producing" flights.
AFAIK their biggest problem isn't maintaining the aircraft, the problem
is getting AV gas in big enough quantities in their locations.

--
Daryl

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 by: Mountain Magpie - Tue, 2 Aug 2022 12:07 UTC

On Tue, 02 Aug 2022 20:01:36 +1000, Rod Speed posted:-

>
>
> >
> > Time to take your head out of your smelly arse, Roddles.
>
> You never could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag.

And you could never post anything fresh and original.

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From: rod.spee...@gmail.com (Rod Speed)
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Subject: Re: Talk about hare brained...
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 by: Rod Speed - Tue, 2 Aug 2022 17:06 UTC

Mountain Magpie <nothanks@nospam.org> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote

>>> Time to take your head out of your smelly arse, Roddles.

>> You never could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag.

> And you could never post anything fresh and original.

Fools like you don't qualify, fuckwit.

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Subject: Re: Talk about hare brained...
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 by: Rod Speed - Wed, 3 Aug 2022 00:45 UTC

Mountain Magpie <nothanks@nospam.org> wrote

> the Saab aircraft they use must be costing heaps to keep in the air.

Same vintage as the Dash 8s that QantasLink uses on their regional
services, stupid.

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 by: Rod Speed - Wed, 3 Aug 2022 05:38 UTC

Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-08-03/electric-aircraft-short-passenger-flights-by-2024-aviation/101291160

Completely off with the fucking fairys.

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 by: Mountain Magpie - Wed, 3 Aug 2022 13:11 UTC

On Wed, 03 Aug 2022 03:06:53 +1000, Rod Speed posted:-

> Mountain Magpie <nothanks@nospam.org> wrote
> > Rod Speed wrote
>
> >>> Time to take your head out of your smelly arse, Roddles.
>
> >> You never could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag.
>
> > And you could never post anything fresh and original.
>
> Fools like you don't qualify, fuckwit.

Same old, same old. <yawn>

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 by: Rod Speed - Wed, 3 Aug 2022 18:45 UTC

On Wed, 03 Aug 2022 23:11:17 +1000, Mountain Magpie <nothanks@nospam.org>
wrote:

> On Wed, 03 Aug 2022 03:06:53 +1000, Rod Speed posted:-
>
>> Mountain Magpie <nothanks@nospam.org> wrote
>> > Rod Speed wrote
>>
>> >>> Time to take your head out of your smelly arse, Roddles.
>>
>> >> You never could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag.
>>
>> > And you could never post anything fresh and original.
>>
>> Fools like you don't qualify, fuckwit.
>
> Same old, same old. <yawn>

Fools like you don't qualify for anything new, fuckwit.

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 by: Mountain Magpie - Thu, 4 Aug 2022 01:59 UTC

On Thu, 04 Aug 2022 04:45:41 +1000, Rod Speed posted:-

> On Wed, 03 Aug 2022 23:11:17 +1000, Mountain Magpie
> <nothanks@nospam.org> wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 03 Aug 2022 03:06:53 +1000, Rod Speed posted:-
> >
> >> Mountain Magpie <nothanks@nospam.org> wrote
> >> > Rod Speed wrote
> >>
> >> >>> Time to take your head out of your smelly arse, Roddles.
> >>
> >> >> You never could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag.
> >>
> >> > And you could never post anything fresh and original.
> >>
> >> Fools like you don't qualify, fuckwit.
> >
> > Same old, same old. <yawn>
>
> Fools like you don't qualify for anything new, fuckwit.

Come on Roddles, don't be so mean!

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