<https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-24/sydney-man-jailed-for-crash-that-killed-teenage-brothers/100856996>

I wonder what legal advice he got. Since he pleaded guilty, any appeal
can only be over the sentence.

I have some difficulty understanding how he was guilty of negligent
driving occasioning death and negligent driving occasioning grievous
harm, since in both cases, it was the driver of the stolen car who chose
to attempt a roundabout at 150km/h.

Granted, the driver wouldn't driven that fast if the accused hadn't been
behind them, but he wouldn't have been there if his car hadn't been stolen.

I'm not aware of any police being found guilty of such an offence when a
chase ends badly.

Sylvia.

On 24/2/2022 6:45 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
> <https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-24/sydney-man-jailed-for-crash-that-killed-teenage-brothers/100856996>
>
>
> I wonder what legal advice he got. Since he pleaded guilty, any appeal
> can only be over the sentence.
>
> I have some difficulty understanding how he was guilty of negligent
> driving occasioning death and negligent driving occasioning grievous
> harm, since in both cases, it was the driver of the stolen car who chose
> to attempt a roundabout at 150km/h.
>
> Granted, the driver wouldn't driven that fast if the accused hadn't been
> behind them, but he wouldn't have been there if his car hadn't been stolen.
>
> I'm not aware of any police being found guilty of such an offence when a
> chase ends badly.
>

In those circumstances I wouldn't have plead guilty.
A couple of car thieves died by their own hand so I fail to see the problem.

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On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 19:09:50 +1100, Daryl wrote:

> On 24/2/2022 6:45 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>> <https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-24/sydney-man-jailed-for-crash-that-killed-teenage-brothers/100856996>
>>
>> I wonder what legal advice he got. Since he pleaded guilty, any appeal
>> can only be over the sentence.
>>
>> I have some difficulty understanding how he was guilty of negligent
>> driving occasioning death and negligent driving occasioning grievous
>> harm, since in both cases, it was the driver of the stolen car who chose
>> to attempt a roundabout at 150km/h.
>>
>> Granted, the driver wouldn't driven that fast if the accused hadn't been
>> behind them, but he wouldn't have been there if his car hadn't been stolen.
>>
>> I'm not aware of any police being found guilty of such an offence when a
>> chase ends badly.
>>
>
> In those circumstances I wouldn't have plead guilty.
> A couple of car thieves died by their own hand

Except that they didn't.

> so I fail to see the problem.

That's totally unsurprising seeing as you're the utter idiot who failed to
"see the problem" with slamming on your semis' brakes so that a tailgating
(according to you) *car* hit the back of it. I used to think that you were
just dull and thick, now I understand why you're an Enabler. You're nuts.

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On Thursday, 24 February 2022 at 18:45:14 UTC+11, Sylvia Else wrote:
> <https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-24/sydney-man-jailed-for-crash-that-killed-teenage-brothers/100856996>
>
> I wonder what legal advice he got. Since he pleaded guilty, any appeal
> can only be over the sentence.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Seems it might have been a work experience bloke..... :(
Definitely (Given the circumstances) should have pleaded *NOT* guilty.
>
> I have some difficulty understanding how he was guilty of negligent
> driving occasioning death and negligent driving occasioning grievous
> harm, since in both cases, it was the driver of the stolen car who chose
> to attempt a roundabout at 150km/h.
~~~~~~~~~~~
Yep!.
>
> Granted, the driver wouldn't driven that fast if the accused hadn't been
> behind them, but he wouldn't have been there if his car hadn't been stolen.
>
> I'm not aware of any police being found guilty of such an offence when a
> chase ends badly.

>
> Sylvia.

On Thursday, 24 February 2022 at 19:09:54 UTC+11, Daryl wrote:
> On 24/2/2022 6:45 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
> > <https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-24/sydney-man-jailed-for-crash-that-killed-teenage-brothers/100856996>
> >
> >
> > I wonder what legal advice he got. Since he pleaded guilty, any appeal
> > can only be over the sentence.
> >
> > I have some difficulty understanding how he was guilty of negligent
> > driving occasioning death and negligent driving occasioning grievous
> > harm, since in both cases, it was the driver of the stolen car who chose
> > to attempt a roundabout at 150km/h.
> >
> > Granted, the driver wouldn't driven that fast if the accused hadn't been
> > behind them, but he wouldn't have been there if his car hadn't been stolen.
> >
> > I'm not aware of any police being found guilty of such an offence when a
> > chase ends badly.
> >
> In those circumstances I wouldn't have plead guilty.
> A couple of car thieves died by their own hand so I fail to see the problem.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Absolutely!..
>
>
> --
> Daryl

On 24/02/2022 7:09 pm, Daryl wrote:
> On 24/2/2022 6:45 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>> <https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-24/sydney-man-jailed-for-crash-that-killed-teenage-brothers/100856996>
>>
>>
>> I wonder what legal advice he got. Since he pleaded guilty, any appeal
>> can only be over the sentence.
>>
>> I have some difficulty understanding how he was guilty of negligent
>> driving occasioning death and negligent driving occasioning grievous
>> harm, since in both cases, it was the driver of the stolen car who
>> chose to attempt a roundabout at 150km/h.
>>
>> Granted, the driver wouldn't driven that fast if the accused hadn't
>> been behind them, but he wouldn't have been there if his car hadn't
>> been stolen.
>>
>> I'm not aware of any police being found guilty of such an offence when
>> a chase ends badly.
>>
>
> In those circumstances I wouldn't have plead guilty.

Neither would I. He was poorly advised.

> A couple of car thieves died by their own hand so I fail to see the
> problem.

Me either, but I would add that it was a pretty reckless thing to do.
The outcome could have been far worse.

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Noddy.

On 24/02/2022 6:45 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
> <https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-24/sydney-man-jailed-for-crash-that-killed-teenage-brothers/100856996>
>
>
> I wonder what legal advice he got. Since he pleaded guilty, any appeal
> can only be over the sentence.
>
> I have some difficulty understanding how he was guilty of negligent
> driving occasioning death and negligent driving occasioning grievous
> harm, since in both cases, it was the driver of the stolen car who chose
> to attempt a roundabout at 150km/h.

I think the same law applies to parties involved in illegal street
racing. There have been cases where street races have resulted in one
party crashing and getting killed, and the other party who wasn't
involved in the accident in any way being charged in a similar fashion
as this case.

> Granted, the driver wouldn't driven that fast if the accused hadn't been
> behind them, but he wouldn't have been there if his car hadn't been stolen.

No, but that doesn't grant him the right to take the law into his own
hands. As you've just outlined, the guy who's car was stolen was in fact
the one who created the situation that led to the crash.

> I'm not aware of any police being found guilty of such an offence when a
> chase ends badly.

Police are exempt from most laws that apply to average citizens as far
as the road is concerned.

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Noddy.

On Thursday, 24 February 2022 at 22:30:17 UTC+11, Noddy wrote:
> On 24/02/2022 6:45 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
> > <https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-24/sydney-man-jailed-for-crash-that-killed-teenage-brothers/100856996>
> >
> >
> > I wonder what legal advice he got. Since he pleaded guilty, any appeal
> > can only be over the sentence.
> >
> > I have some difficulty understanding how he was guilty of negligent
> > driving occasioning death and negligent driving occasioning grievous
> > harm, since in both cases, it was the driver of the stolen car who chose
> > to attempt a roundabout at 150km/h.
> I think the same law applies to parties involved in illegal street
> racing. There have been cases where street races have resulted in one
> party crashing and getting killed, and the other party who wasn't
> involved in the accident in any way being charged in a similar fashion
> as this case.
> > Granted, the driver wouldn't driven that fast if the accused hadn't been
> > behind them, but he wouldn't have been there if his car hadn't been stolen.
> No, but that doesn't grant him the right to take the law into his own
> hands. As you've just outlined, the guy who's car was stolen was in fact
> the one who created the situation that led to the crash.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~`
Really?, the fact is if the thieving pricks had *NOT* pinched his car, none of it would have happened.Got what they deserved. :(
> > I'm not aware of any police being found guilty of such an offence when a
> > chase ends badly.
> Police are exempt from most laws that apply to average citizens as far
> as the road is concerned.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
A cop in the ACT is still awaiting sentence for T-boning a car and killing the driver!
(Her ventilator was turned off.)
Reckons he was under lights and siren, Apparently witnesses reckon otherwise...
> --
> --
> --
> Regards,
> Noddy.

On 24/02/2022 10:59 pm, jonz@ nothere.com wrote:
> On Thursday, 24 February 2022 at 22:30:17 UTC+11, Noddy wrote:

>> No, but that doesn't grant him the right to take the law into his own
>> hands. As you've just outlined, the guy who's car was stolen was in fact
>> the one who created the situation that led to the crash.

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~`
> Really?, the fact is if the thieving pricks had *NOT* pinched his car, none of it would have happened.Got what they deserved. :(

That may be so, and I don't disagree with that, but it's not relevant to
the crash. The chase led to the crash, and the person responsible for
the chase was the bloke who pleaded guilty.

>>> I'm not aware of any police being found guilty of such an offence when a
>>> chase ends badly.

>> Police are exempt from most laws that apply to average citizens as far
>> as the road is concerned.

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> A cop in the ACT is still awaiting sentence for T-boning a car and killing the driver!
> (Her ventilator was turned off.)
> Reckons he was under lights and siren, Apparently witnesses reckon otherwise...

If he wasn't under lights and siren then he'll go a row of shithouses,
as while coppers are exempt from most road laws while in the course of
their duty they're not automatically granted rights to drive dangerously.

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Noddy.

On 24/02/2022 4:09 pm, Daryl wrote:
> On 24/2/2022 6:45 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>> <https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-24/sydney-man-jailed-for-crash-that-killed-teenage-brothers/100856996>
>>
>>
>> I wonder what legal advice he got. Since he pleaded guilty, any appeal
>> can only be over the sentence.
>>
>> I have some difficulty understanding how he was guilty of negligent
>> driving occasioning death and negligent driving occasioning grievous
>> harm, since in both cases, it was the driver of the stolen car who
>> chose to attempt a roundabout at 150km/h.
>>
>> Granted, the driver wouldn't driven that fast if the accused hadn't
>> been behind them, but he wouldn't have been there if his car hadn't
>> been stolen.
>>
>> I'm not aware of any police being found guilty of such an offence when
>> a chase ends badly.
>>
>
> In those circumstances I wouldn't have plead guilty.
> A couple of car thieves died by their own hand so I fail to see the
> problem.
>
>

They didn't die by their own hand you twit.

Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote

> <https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-24/sydney-man-jailed-for-crash-that-killed-teenage-brothers/100856996>

> I wonder what legal advice he got.

Certainly from someone who knows a lot more about the law than you do.

> Since he pleaded guilty, any appeal can only be over the sentence.

> I have some difficulty understanding how he was guilty of negligent
> driving occasioning death and negligent driving occasioning grievous
> harm, since in both cases, it was the driver of the stolen car who chose
> to attempt a roundabout at 150km/h.

He clearly must have been doing the same speed, fool.

> Granted, the driver wouldn't driven that fast if the accused hadn't been
> behind them, but he wouldn't have been there if his car hadn't been
> stolen.

> I'm not aware of any police being found guilty of such an offence when a
> chase ends badly.

Corse not, because they are allowed to persue stolen vehicles at well over
the speed limit, fool.

On Fri, 25 Feb 2022 05:10:00 +1100, Rod Speed wrote:

> Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote
>
>> <https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-24/sydney-man-jailed-for-crash-that-killed-teenage-brothers/100856996>
>
>> I wonder what legal advice he got.
>
> Certainly from someone who knows a lot more about the law than you do.
>
>> Since he pleaded guilty, any appeal can only be over the sentence.
>
>> I have some difficulty understanding how he was guilty of negligent
>> driving occasioning death and negligent driving occasioning grievous
>> harm, since in both cases, it was the driver of the stolen car who chose
>> to attempt a roundabout at 150km/h.
>
> He clearly must have been doing the same speed, fool.
>
>> Granted, the driver wouldn't driven that fast if the accused hadn't been
>> behind them, but he wouldn't have been there if his car hadn't been
>> stolen.
>
>> I'm not aware of any police being found guilty of such an offence when a
>> chase ends badly.
>
> Corse not, because they are allowed to persue stolen vehicles at well over
> the speed limit, fool.

I wonder why so many nasty narcissists have such low literacy levels?

alvey

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Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote
> Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote

>> <https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-24/sydney-man-jailed-for-crash-that-killed-teenage-brothers/100856996>
>>
>> I wonder what legal advice he got. Since he pleaded guilty, any appeal
>> can only be over the sentence.
>>
>> I have some difficulty understanding how he was guilty of negligent
>> driving occasioning death and negligent driving occasioning grievous
>> harm, since in both cases, it was the driver of the stolen car who chose
>> to attempt a roundabout at 150km/h.
>>
>> Granted, the driver wouldn't driven that fast if the accused hadn't been
>> behind them, but he wouldn't have been there if his car hadn't been
>> stolen.
>>
>> I'm not aware of any police being found guilty of such an offence when a
>> chase ends badly.

> What happens to these cars after a successful heist?

Depends on the heist. Most of the time they are torched
so there is no evidence of who heisted it, particularly
when it is stupid kids doing the heist.

> I suppose they're driven to a fence who'd pay about$5000 for it, after
> which it would be re-birthed.

Some are, but most aren't.

Some of the more fancy cars are exported in shipping
containers to the middle east.

> Not bad for a night's work?

On 25/2/2022 7:21 am, Peter Jason wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 18:45:09 +1100, Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> <https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-24/sydney-man-jailed-for-crash-that-killed-teenage-brothers/100856996>
>>
>> I wonder what legal advice he got. Since he pleaded guilty, any appeal
>> can only be over the sentence.
>>
>> I have some difficulty understanding how he was guilty of negligent
>> driving occasioning death and negligent driving occasioning grievous
>> harm, since in both cases, it was the driver of the stolen car who chose
>> to attempt a roundabout at 150km/h.
>>
>> Granted, the driver wouldn't driven that fast if the accused hadn't been
>> behind them, but he wouldn't have been there if his car hadn't been stolen.
>>
>> I'm not aware of any police being found guilty of such an offence when a
>> chase ends badly.
>>
>> Sylvia.
>
> What happens to these cars after a successful heist?
> I suppose they're driven to a fence who'd pay about $5000 for it,
> after which it would be re-birthed.
> Not bad for a night's work?

Very difficult to rebirth cars these days, many ways cars and parts can
be identified and many computer records, most car computer components
have the cars vin stored in them.
The car was an SS Commodore, the engine and trans alone is worth more
than $10k but its too easily traced so not easy to sell without proof ot
ownership.

--
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On 25-Feb-22 5:10 am, Rod Speed wrote:
> Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote
>
>> <https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-24/sydney-man-jailed-for-crash-that-killed-teenage-brothers/100856996>
>>
>
>> I wonder what legal advice he got.
>
> Certainly from someone who knows a lot more about the law than you do.
>
>> Since he pleaded guilty, any appeal  can only be over the sentence.
>
>> I have some difficulty understanding how he was guilty of negligent
>> driving occasioning death and negligent driving occasioning grievous
>> harm, since in both cases, it was the driver of the stolen car who
>> chose to attempt a roundabout at 150km/h.
>
> He clearly must have been doing the same speed, fool.

So what? Charge him with speeding then.

The issue here is not whether he was breaking the law, but whether he
caused the deaths and injuries.

>7
>> Granted, the driver wouldn't driven that fast if the accused hadn't
>> been behind them, but he wouldn't have been there if his car hadn't
>> been stolen.
>
>> I'm not aware of any police being found guilty of such an offence when
>> a chase ends badly.
>
> Corse not, because they are allowed to persue stolen vehicles at well
> over the speed limit, fool.

The police have some exemptions. It's not carte blanche.

http://www.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/viewdoc/au/legis/nsw/consol_reg/rr2014104/s305.html

Sylvia

On 25/02/2022 7:04 am, alvey wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Feb 2022 05:10:00 +1100, Rod Speed wrote:
>
>> Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote
>>
>>> <https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-24/sydney-man-jailed-for-crash-that-killed-teenage-brothers/100856996>
>>> I wonder what legal advice he got.
>> Certainly from someone who knows a lot more about the law than you do.
>>
>>> Since he pleaded guilty, any appeal can only be over the sentence.
>>> I have some difficulty understanding how he was guilty of negligent
>>> driving occasioning death and negligent driving occasioning grievous
>>> harm, since in both cases, it was the driver of the stolen car who chose
>>> to attempt a roundabout at 150km/h.
>> He clearly must have been doing the same speed, fool.
>>
>>> Granted, the driver wouldn't driven that fast if the accused hadn't been
>>> behind them, but he wouldn't have been there if his car hadn't been
>>> stolen.
>>> I'm not aware of any police being found guilty of such an offence when a
>>> chase ends badly.
>> Corse not, because they are allowed to persue stolen vehicles at well over
>> the speed limit, fool.
> I wonder why so many nasty narcissists have such low literacy levels?

many are bogans and poorly educated I guess

>
>
> alvey
>

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On 25/02/2022 7:21 am, Peter Jason wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 18:45:09 +1100, Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> <https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-24/sydney-man-jailed-for-crash-that-killed-teenage-brothers/100856996>
>>
>> I wonder what legal advice he got. Since he pleaded guilty, any appeal
>> can only be over the sentence.
>>
>> I have some difficulty understanding how he was guilty of negligent
>> driving occasioning death and negligent driving occasioning grievous
>> harm, since in both cases, it was the driver of the stolen car who chose
>> to attempt a roundabout at 150km/h.
>>
>> Granted, the driver wouldn't driven that fast if the accused hadn't been
>> behind them, but he wouldn't have been there if his car hadn't been stolen.
>>
>> I'm not aware of any police being found guilty of such an offence when a
>> chase ends badly.
>>
>> Sylvia.
> What happens to these cars after a successful heist?
> I suppose they're driven to a fence who'd pay about $5000 for it,
> after which it would be re-birthed.
> Not bad for a night's work?

organized crime gangs recruit dumbass teens to steal cars for them and
pay them a fee. no skin off the crims noses if the teens get caught.

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On 25/02/2022 10:01 am, Sylvia Else wrote:
> On 25-Feb-22 5:10 am, Rod Speed wrote:
>> Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote
>>
>>> <https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-24/sydney-man-jailed-for-crash-that-killed-teenage-brothers/100856996>
>>>
>>
>>> I wonder what legal advice he got.
>>
>> Certainly from someone who knows a lot more about the law than you do.
>>
>>> Since he pleaded guilty, any appeal  can only be over the sentence.
>>
>>> I have some difficulty understanding how he was guilty of negligent
>>> driving occasioning death and negligent driving occasioning grievous
>>> harm, since in both cases, it was the driver of the stolen car who
>>> chose to attempt a roundabout at 150km/h.
>>
>> He clearly must have been doing the same speed, fool.
>
> So what? Charge him with speeding then.
>
> The issue here is not whether he was breaking the law, but whether he
> caused the deaths and injuries.
>

exactly

>
>> 7
>>> Granted, the driver wouldn't driven that fast if the accused hadn't
>>> been behind them, but he wouldn't have been there if his car hadn't
>>> been stolen.
>>
>>> I'm not aware of any police being found guilty of such an offence
>>> when a chase ends badly.
>>
>> Corse not, because they are allowed to persue stolen vehicles at well
>> over the speed limit, fool.
>
> The police have some exemptions. It's not carte blanche.
>
> http://www.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/viewdoc/au/legis/nsw/consol_reg/rr2014104/s305.html
>
>
> Sylvia

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Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> wrote
> Peter Jason wrote
>> Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote

>>> <https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-24/sydney-man-jailed-for-crash-that-killed-teenage-brothers/100856996>
>>>
>>> I wonder what legal advice he got. Since he pleaded guilty, any appeal
>>> can only be over the sentence.
>>>
>>> I have some difficulty understanding how he was guilty of negligent
>>> driving occasioning death and negligent driving occasioning grievous
>>> harm, since in both cases, it was the driver of the stolen car who
>>> chose
>>> to attempt a roundabout at 150km/h.
>>>
>>> Granted, the driver wouldn't driven that fast if the accused hadn't
>>> been
>>> behind them, but he wouldn't have been there if his car hadn't been
>>> stolen.
>>>
>>> I'm not aware of any police being found guilty of such an offence when
>>> a
>>> chase ends badly.
>>>
>>> Sylvia.
>> What happens to these cars after a successful heist?
>> I suppose they're driven to a fence who'd pay about $5000 for it,
>> after which it would be re-birthed.
>> Not bad for a night's work?
>
> Very difficult to rebirth cars these days, many ways cars and parts can
> be identified and many computer records, most car computer components
> have the cars vin stored in them.
> The car was an SS Commodore, the engine and trans alone is worth more
> than $10k but its too easily traced so not easy to sell without proof ot
> ownership.

Very easy to sell without proof of ownership in fact.

The seller with a clue hardly ever gets caught when it is found to have
been stolen.

Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote

>>> <https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-24/sydney-man-jailed-for-crash-that-killed-teenage-brothers/100856996>

>>> I wonder what legal advice he got.

>> Certainly from someone who knows a lot more about the law than you do.

>>> Since he pleaded guilty, any appeal can only be over the sentence.

>>> I have some difficulty understanding how he was guilty of negligent
>>> driving occasioning death and negligent driving occasioning grievous
>>> harm, since in both cases, it was the driver of the stolen car who
>>> chose to attempt a roundabout at 150km/h.

>> He clearly must have been doing the same speed, fool.

> So what?

So he clearly was driving dangerously
and doing that clearly did cause death.

> Charge him with speeding then.

The cops arent that stupid when death has resulted.

> The issue here is not whether he was breaking the law,but whether he
> caused the deaths and injuries.

Of course he did that. They wouldn't have been
driving that fast if he had not persued them, fool.

>>> Granted, the driver wouldn't driven that fast if the accused hadn't
>>> been behind them, but he wouldn't have been there if his car hadn't
>>> been stolen.

>>> I'm not aware of any police being found guilty of such an offence when
>>> a chase ends badly.

>> Corse not, because they are allowed to persue stolen vehicles at well
>> over the speed limit, fool.

> The police have some exemptions. It's not carte blanche.

But they are allowed to exceed the speed limit and to persue
a stolen vehicle, fool.

> http://www.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/viewdoc/au/legis/nsw/consol_reg/rr2014104/s305.html

On 25/02/2022 10:29 am, Rod Speed wrote:
> Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote
>> Rod Speed wrote
>>> Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote
>
>>>> <https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-24/sydney-man-jailed-for-crash-that-killed-teenage-brothers/100856996>
>>>>
>
>>>> I wonder what legal advice he got.
>
>>>  Certainly from someone who knows a lot more about the law than you do.
>
>>>> Since he pleaded guilty, any appeal  can only be over the sentence.
>
>>>> I have some difficulty understanding how he was guilty of negligent
>>>> driving occasioning death and negligent driving occasioning grievous
>>>> harm, since in both cases, it was the driver of the stolen car who
>>>> chose to attempt a roundabout at 150km/h.
>
>>>  He clearly must have been doing the same speed, fool.
>
>> So what?
>
> So he clearly was driving dangerously
> and doing that clearly did cause death.
>
>> Charge him with speeding then.
>
> The cops arent that stupid when death has resulted.
>
>> The issue here is not whether he was breaking the law,but whether he
>> caused the deaths and injuries.
>
> Of course he did that. They wouldn't have been
> driving that fast if he had not persued them, fool.
>

Why didn't the people being chased just stop their car?

What were they worried about?

Did the pursuers threaten them earlier?

>>>> Granted, the driver wouldn't driven that fast if the accused hadn't
>>>> been behind them, but he wouldn't have been there if his car hadn't
>>>> been stolen.
>
>>>> I'm not aware of any police being found guilty of such an offence
>>>> when a chase ends badly.
>
>>>  Corse not, because they are allowed to persue stolen vehicles at
>>> well over the speed limit, fool.
>
>> The police have some exemptions. It's not carte blanche.
>
> But they are allowed to exceed the speed limit and to persue
> a stolen vehicle, fool.
>
>> http://www.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/viewdoc/au/legis/nsw/consol_reg/rr2014104/s305.html
>>

On 25/02/2022 10:29 am, Rod Speed wrote:
> Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote
>> Rod Speed wrote
>>> Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote
>
>>>> <https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-24/sydney-man-jailed-for-crash-that-killed-teenage-brothers/100856996>
>>>>
>
>>>> I wonder what legal advice he got.
>
>>>  Certainly from someone who knows a lot more about the law than you do.
>
>>>> Since he pleaded guilty, any appeal can only be over the sentence.
>
>>>> I have some difficulty understanding how he was guilty of negligent
>>>> driving occasioning death and negligent driving occasioning
>>>> grievous harm, since in both cases, it was the driver of the stolen
>>>> car who chose to attempt a roundabout at 150km/h.
>
>>>  He clearly must have been doing the same speed, fool.
>
>> So what?
>
> So he clearly was driving dangerously
> and doing that clearly did cause death.
>
>> Charge him with speeding then.
>
> The cops arent that stupid when death has resulted.
>
>> The issue here is not whether he was breaking the law,but whether he 
>> caused the deaths and injuries.
>
> Of course he did that. They wouldn't have been
> driving that fast if he had not persued them,

that's irrelevant. that's the same argument as saying a woman wouldn't
have been raped if she wasn't where she was at the time

> fool.

yes you are

>
>>>> Granted, the driver wouldn't driven that fast if the accused hadn't
>>>> been behind them, but he wouldn't have been there if his car hadn't
>>>> been stolen.
>
>>>> I'm not aware of any police being found guilty of such an offence
>>>> when a chase ends badly.
>
>>>  Corse not, because they are allowed to persue stolen vehicles at
>>> well over the speed limit, fool.
>
>> The police have some exemptions. It's not carte blanche.
>
> But they are allowed to exceed the speed limit and to persue
> a stolen vehicle, fool.
>
>> http://www.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/viewdoc/au/legis/nsw/consol_reg/rr2014104/s305.html
>>

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On 25/2/2022 10:29 am, Rod Speed wrote:
> Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote
>> Rod Speed wrote
>>> Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote
>
>>>> <https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-24/sydney-man-jailed-for-crash-that-killed-teenage-brothers/100856996>
>>>>
>
>>>> I wonder what legal advice he got.
>
>>>  Certainly from someone who knows a lot more about the law than you do.
>
>>>> Since he pleaded guilty, any appeal  can only be over the sentence.
>
>>>> I have some difficulty understanding how he was guilty of negligent
>>>> driving occasioning death and negligent driving occasioning grievous
>>>> harm, since in both cases, it was the driver of the stolen car who
>>>> chose to attempt a roundabout at 150km/h.
>
>>>  He clearly must have been doing the same speed, fool.
>
>> So what?
>
> So he clearly was driving dangerously
> and doing that clearly did cause death.
>
>> Charge him with speeding then.
>
> The cops arent that stupid when death has resulted.
>

There was certainly deaths but no one knows how the car thieves would
have driven even if they weren't being chased.

>> The issue here is not whether he was breaking the law,but whether he
>> caused the deaths and injuries.
>
> Of course he did that. They wouldn't have been
> driving that fast if he had not persued them, fool.

Maybe.
The sentence was short so it appears the magistrate didn't apportion all
the blame to the chasing driver.

--
Daryl

On 25/2/2022 10:25 am, Rod Speed wrote:
> Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> wrote
>> Peter Jason wrote
>>> Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote
>
>>>> <https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-24/sydney-man-jailed-for-crash-that-killed-teenage-brothers/100856996>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I wonder what legal advice he got. Since he pleaded guilty, any appeal
>>>> can only be over the sentence.
>>>>
>>>> I have some difficulty understanding how he was guilty of negligent
>>>> driving occasioning death and negligent driving occasioning grievous
>>>> harm, since in both cases, it was the driver of the stolen car who
>>>> chose
>>>> to attempt a roundabout at 150km/h.
>>>>
>>>> Granted, the driver wouldn't driven that fast if the accused hadn't
>>>> been
>>>> behind them, but he wouldn't have been there if his car hadn't been
>>>> stolen.
>>>>
>>>> I'm not aware of any police being found guilty of such an offence
>>>> when a
>>>> chase ends badly.
>>>>
>>>> Sylvia.
>>>  What happens to these cars after a successful heist?
>>> I suppose they're driven to a fence who'd pay about $5000 for it,
>>> after which it would be re-birthed.
>>> Not bad for a night's work?
>>
>> Very difficult to rebirth cars these days, many ways cars and parts
>> can be identified and many computer records, most car computer
>> components have the cars vin stored in them.
>> The car was an SS Commodore, the engine and trans alone is worth more
>> than $10k but its too easily traced so not easy to sell without proof
>> ot ownership.
>
> Very easy to sell without proof of ownership in fact.

Its not difficult to find fools to part with their money.
>
> The seller with a clue hardly ever gets caught when it is found to have
> been stolen.

Most likely because few Police resources are put toward catching people
who commit such crimes.
--
Daryl

Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote
>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>> Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote

>>>>> <https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-24/sydney-man-jailed-for-crash-that-killed-teenage-brothers/100856996>

>>>>> I wonder what legal advice he got.

>>>> Certainly from someone who knows a lot more about the law than you
>>>> do.

>>>>> Since he pleaded guilty, any appeal can only be over the sentence.

>>>>> I have some difficulty understanding how he was guilty of negligent
>>>>> driving occasioning death and negligent driving occasioning grievous
>>>>> harm, since in both cases, it was the driver of the stolen car who
>>>>> chose to attempt a roundabout at 150km/h.

>>>> He clearly must have been doing the same speed, fool.

>>> So what?

>> So he clearly was driving dangerously
>> and doing that clearly did cause death.

>>> Charge him with speeding then.

>> The cops arent that stupid when death has resulted.

>>> The issue here is not whether he was breaking the law,
>>> but whether he caused the deaths and injuries.

>> Of course he did that. They wouldn't have been
>> driving that fast if he had not persued them, fool.

> Why didn't the people being chased just stop their car?

Because they had stolen his car, stupid.

> What were they worried about?

Getting fucked over by the car owner, stupid.

> Did the pursuers threaten them earlier?

Only a fool like you would have stopped if he hadnt done that.

>>>>> Granted, the driver wouldn't driven that fast if the accused hadn't
>>>>> been behind them, but he wouldn't have been there if his car hadn't
>>>>> been stolen.

>>>>> I'm not aware of any police being found guilty of such an offence
>>>>> when a chase ends badly.

>>>> Corse not, because they are allowed to persue stolen vehicles at
>>>> well over the speed limit, fool.

>>> The police have some exemptions. It's not carte blanche.

>> But they are allowed to exceed the speed limit and to persue
>> a stolen vehicle, fool.

>>> http://www.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/viewdoc/au/legis/nsw/consol_reg/rr2014104/s305.html