On 25/03/2024 16:15, charles wrote:
> In article
> <1986603104.733073353.235841.timdownieuk-yahoo.co.youkay@news.individual.net>,
> Tim+ <timdownieuk@yahoo.co.youkay> wrote:
>> Andy Bennett <aben@ben37j.com> wrote:
>
>>> I'm guessing the driver of said vehicle and the DVLA are all well aware
>>> of the vehicles credentials.
>>>
>
>> Unfortunately the tinfoil hat brigade would rather believe wot some man in
>> the pub said over any statement by the fire brigade.
>
>> Tim
>
> and, we all know that until electric cars appeared, no car had ever caught
> fire ;-)
>

Least of all Vauxhall zafira's :-(

On 25/03/2024 16:15, charles wrote:
> In article
> <1986603104.733073353.235841.timdownieuk-yahoo.co.youkay@news.individual.net>,
> Tim+ <timdownieuk@yahoo.co.youkay> wrote:
>> Andy Bennett <aben@ben37j.com> wrote:
>
>>> I'm guessing the driver of said vehicle and the DVLA are all well aware
>>> of the vehicles credentials.
>>>
>
>> Unfortunately the tinfoil hat brigade would rather believe wot some man in
>> the pub said over any statement by the fire brigade.
>
>> Tim
>
> and, we all know that until electric cars appeared, no car had ever caught
> fire ;-)
>
Not like a lithium battery catches fire, no.

--
"First, find out who are the people you can not criticise. They are your
oppressors."
- George Orwell

On 25/03/2024 16:32, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 24/03/2024 21:49, Tim+ wrote:
>> Dan Green <dhg99908@hotmail.se> wrote:
>>> On 24 Mar 2024 20:46:29 GMT, Tim+ <timdownieuk@yahoo.co.youkay> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 24 Mar 2024 10:50:33 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
>>>>> <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 24/03/2024 09:27, wasbit wrote:
>>>>>>> On 24/03/2024 07:30, Andy Burns wrote:
>>>>>>>> First official statement I've noticed about it ...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <https://www.bedsfire.gov.uk/news/fire-airport-car-park-started-accidentally>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "The vehicle involved was diesel-powered ? it was not a mild hybrid,
>>>>>>> plug-in hybrid or electric vehicle."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I simply do not believe that.
>>>>>> Sorry.
>>>>>> Not from the pictures taken
>>>>>
>>>>> Neither do I. It's got the hallmark ferocity of an EV fire and I smell
>>>>> a cover-up.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dear Lord, the idiocy is strong in these two…
>>>>
>>>> Tim
>>>
>>> Well, something isn't right. The members of Landyzone.co.uk discussion
>>> forum were able to positively ID this as a *hybrid* EV from the photos
>>> within about 48hrs and I trust them over and above anyone else any day
>>> of the week.
>>>
>>
>> The photos were *very* blurry.  The fire services will know exactly what
>> kind of vehicle it was and have no axes to grind.
>>
> Oh but they do.
> If its a case of 'we simply don't want bad PR  about EVs because we
> *have* to use them' coming from up as high as no 10, they are not going
> to risk their jobs are they?
>

You stick to your own agenda, we'll stick to the facts.

Dan Green wrote:

> The members of Landyzone.co.uk discussion
> forum were able to positively ID this as ahybrid EV from the photos
> within about 48hrs and I trust them over and above anyone else any day
> of the week.

While I'm sure they have some members who can tell what model year a
given landrover is from 1,000paces, and know which years
diesel/petrol/phev versions were sold, I don't see how they have X-ray
vision to see through the bodywork to know which particular model was
involved?

I seem to remember the registration plate was deciphered with reasonable
certainty, and the DVLA site showed a fuel type of diesel ...

On 25/03/2024 16:58, Andy Bennett wrote:
> On 25/03/2024 16:32, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 24/03/2024 21:49, Tim+ wrote:
>>> Dan Green <dhg99908@hotmail.se> wrote:
>>>> On 24 Mar 2024 20:46:29 GMT, Tim+ <timdownieuk@yahoo.co.youkay> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, 24 Mar 2024 10:50:33 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
>>>>>> <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 24/03/2024 09:27, wasbit wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 24/03/2024 07:30, Andy Burns wrote:
>>>>>>>>> First official statement I've noticed about it ...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> <https://www.bedsfire.gov.uk/news/fire-airport-car-park-started-accidentally>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "The vehicle involved was diesel-powered ? it was not a mild
>>>>>>>> hybrid,
>>>>>>>> plug-in hybrid or electric vehicle."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I simply do not believe that.
>>>>>>> Sorry.
>>>>>>> Not from the pictures taken
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Neither do I. It's got the hallmark ferocity of an EV fire and I
>>>>>> smell
>>>>>> a cover-up.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear Lord, the idiocy is strong in these two…
>>>>>
>>>>> Tim
>>>>
>>>> Well, something isn't right. The members of Landyzone.co.uk discussion
>>>> forum were able to positively ID this as a *hybrid* EV from the photos
>>>> within about 48hrs and I trust them over and above anyone else any day
>>>> of the week.
>>>>
>>>
>>> The photos were *very* blurry.  The fire services will know exactly what
>>> kind of vehicle it was and have no axes to grind.
>>>
>> Oh but they do.
>> If its a case of 'we simply don't want bad PR  about EVs because we
>> *have* to use them' coming from up as high as no 10, they are not
>> going to risk their jobs are they?
>>
>
> You stick to your own agenda, we'll stick to the facts.
>
You have no facts. You only have what you are told are facts by people
whose jobs depend on them saying the politically correct thing, not
the factual thing

We were also told by the authorities that there were no muslim gang
rape and girl grooming gangs, that Jimmy Savile was a great guy, that
there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.

How many times does it have to happen before you accept that your
government and the media sometimes deliberately lies to you?

--
"Corbyn talks about equality, justice, opportunity, health care, peace,
community, compassion, investment, security, housing...."
"What kind of person is not interested in those things?"

"Jeremy Corbyn?"

On 25/03/2024 17:33, Andy Burns wrote:
> Dan Green wrote:
>
>> The members of Landyzone.co.uk discussion
>> forum were able to positively ID this as ahybrid  EV from the photos
>> within about 48hrs and I trust them over and above anyone else any day
>> of the week.
>
> While I'm sure they have some members who can tell what model year a
> given landrover is from 1,000paces, and know which years
> diesel/petrol/phev versions were sold, I don't see how they have X-ray
> vision to see through the bodywork to know which particular model was
> involved?
>
> I seem to remember the registration plate was deciphered with reasonable
> certainty, and the DVLA site showed a fuel type of diesel ...

The number plate was not deciphered. Nor have the vehicle details ever
been published.

Fires in diesel cars do not start under the passenger floor where the
lithium battery is located in the hybrid.

Saying a hybrid is in fact 'not a BEV, but a diesel' is convenient
economy with the truth

--
I would rather have questions that cannot be answered...
....than to have answers that cannot be questioned

Richard Feynman

In article <utsgjm$18fpt$2@dont-email.me>, The Natural Philosopher
<tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 25/03/2024 16:58, Andy Bennett wrote:
> > On 25/03/2024 16:32, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> >> On 24/03/2024 21:49, Tim+ wrote:
> >>> Dan Green <dhg99908@hotmail.se> wrote:
> >>>> On 24 Mar 2024 20:46:29 GMT, Tim+ <timdownieuk@yahoo.co.youkay>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> On Sun, 24 Mar 2024 10:50:33 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
> >>>>>> <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On 24/03/2024 09:27, wasbit wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On 24/03/2024 07:30, Andy Burns wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> First official statement I've noticed about it ...
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> <https://www.bedsfire.gov.uk/news/fire-airport-car-park-started-accidentally>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> "The vehicle involved was diesel-powered ? it was not a mild
> >>>>>>>> hybrid, plug-in hybrid or electric vehicle."
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I simply do not believe that. Sorry. Not from the pictures taken
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Neither do I. It's got the hallmark ferocity of an EV fire and I
> >>>>>> smell a cover-up.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Dear Lord, the idiocy is strong in these two…
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Tim
> >>>>
> >>>> Well, something isn't right. The members of Landyzone.co.uk
> >>>> discussion forum were able to positively ID this as a *hybrid* EV
> >>>> from the photos within about 48hrs and I trust them over and above
> >>>> anyone else any day of the week.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> The photos were *very* blurry. The fire services will know exactly
> >>> what kind of vehicle it was and have no axes to grind.
> >>>
> >> Oh but they do. If its a case of 'we simply don't want bad PR about
> >> EVs because we *have* to use them' coming from up as high as no 10,
> >> they are not going to risk their jobs are they?
> >>
> >
> > You stick to your own agenda, we'll stick to the facts.
> >
> You have no facts. You only have what you are told are facts by people
> whose jobs depend on them saying the politically correct thing, not
> the factual thing

> We were also told by the authorities that there were no muslim gang
> rape and girl grooming gangs, that Jimmy Savile was a great guy, that
> there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.

> How many times does it have to happen before you accept that your
> government and the media sometimes deliberately lies to you?

You forgot to mention "man-made global warming"

--
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"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

On 25/03/2024 19:00, charles wrote:
> In article <utsgjm$18fpt$2@dont-email.me>, The Natural Philosopher
> <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> On 25/03/2024 16:58, Andy Bennett wrote:
>>> On 25/03/2024 16:32, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>> On 24/03/2024 21:49, Tim+ wrote:
>>>>> Dan Green <dhg99908@hotmail.se> wrote:
>>>>>> On 24 Mar 2024 20:46:29 GMT, Tim+ <timdownieuk@yahoo.co.youkay>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sun, 24 Mar 2024 10:50:33 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
>>>>>>>> <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 24/03/2024 09:27, wasbit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 24/03/2024 07:30, Andy Burns wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> First official statement I've noticed about it ...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.bedsfire.gov.uk/news/fire-airport-car-park-started-accidentally>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "The vehicle involved was diesel-powered ? it was not a mild
>>>>>>>>>> hybrid, plug-in hybrid or electric vehicle."
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I simply do not believe that. Sorry. Not from the pictures taken
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Neither do I. It's got the hallmark ferocity of an EV fire and I
>>>>>>>> smell a cover-up.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dear Lord, the idiocy is strong in these two…
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tim
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, something isn't right. The members of Landyzone.co.uk
>>>>>> discussion forum were able to positively ID this as a *hybrid* EV
>>>>>> from the photos within about 48hrs and I trust them over and above
>>>>>> anyone else any day of the week.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The photos were *very* blurry. The fire services will know exactly
>>>>> what kind of vehicle it was and have no axes to grind.
>>>>>
>>>> Oh but they do. If its a case of 'we simply don't want bad PR about
>>>> EVs because we *have* to use them' coming from up as high as no 10,
>>>> they are not going to risk their jobs are they?
>>>>
>>>
>>> You stick to your own agenda, we'll stick to the facts.
>>>
>> You have no facts. You only have what you are told are facts by people
>> whose jobs depend on them saying the politically correct thing, not
>> the factual thing
>
>> We were also told by the authorities that there were no muslim gang
>> rape and girl grooming gangs, that Jimmy Savile was a great guy, that
>> there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.
>
>> How many times does it have to happen before you accept that your
>> government and the media sometimes deliberately lies to you?
>
> You forgot to mention "man-made global warming"
>
For most people the jury is still out on that one. When citing examples
it behoves one to stick to what is almost universally accepted to have
been covered up by a large number of the 'authorities'

More relevant would be the Post Office scandal.

--
Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the
gospel of envy.

Its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.

Winston Churchill

The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> We were also told by the authorities that there were no muslim gang
> rape and girl grooming gangs, that Jimmy Savile was a great guy, that
> there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.
>
When/where did "the authorities" (whoever they are) say that "Jimmy
Savile was a great guy"?

--
Chris Green
·

On 25/03/2024 18:46, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 25/03/2024 17:33, Andy Burns wrote:
>> Dan Green wrote:
>>
>>> The members of Landyzone.co.uk discussion
>>> forum were able to positively ID this as ahybrid  EV from the photos
>>> within about 48hrs and I trust them over and above anyone else any day
>>> of the week.
>>
>> While I'm sure they have some members who can tell what model year a
>> given landrover is from 1,000paces, and know which years
>> diesel/petrol/phev versions were sold, I don't see how they have X-ray
>> vision to see through the bodywork to know which particular model was
>> involved?
>>
>> I seem to remember the registration plate was deciphered with
>> reasonable certainty, and the DVLA site showed a fuel type of diesel ...
>
> The number plate was not deciphered. Nor have the vehicle details ever
> been published.

Then you are burying your head firmly in the ground.

Facts you don't like to hear are ignored by you. It is a fact there were
articles at the time, that corroborated and published the registration
number, type and credentials of the vehicle, and that it was a diesel
powered vehicle.

This is just one article you don't want to read.
https://www.landrovermonthly.co.uk/articles/news/the-truth-is-revealed/

Now, do I believe this and other articles, or some rambling twat that
thinks smoking doesn't cause cancer because cigarette companies say it
doesn't.

On 25 Mar 2024 15:31:17 GMT, Tim+ <timdownieuk@yahoo.co.youkay> wrote:

>Andy Bennett <aben@ben37j.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm guessing the driver of said vehicle and the DVLA are all well aware
>> of the vehicles credentials.
>>
>
>Unfortunately the tinfoil hat brigade would rather believe wot some man in
>the pub said over any statement by the fire brigade.

You don't need a number plate to identify a specific make and model of
a vehicle. Even a grainy picture of the exterior will do, if viewed
by persons of suffiicient familiiarity with the marque in question.

On Mon, 25 Mar 24 16:15:03 UTC, charles <charles@candehope.me.uk>
wrote:

>In article
><1986603104.733073353.235841.timdownieuk-yahoo.co.youkay@news.individual.net>,
> Tim+ <timdownieuk@yahoo.co.youkay> wrote:
>> Andy Bennett <aben@ben37j.com> wrote:
>
>> > I'm guessing the driver of said vehicle and the DVLA are all well aware
>> > of the vehicles credentials.
>> >
>
>> Unfortunately the tinfoil hat brigade would rather believe wot some man in
>> the pub said over any statement by the fire brigade.
>
>> Tim
>
>and, we all know that until electric cars appeared, no car had ever caught
>fire ;-)

Until electric cars appeared, no car park had ever caught fire.
Certainly not with that degree of ferocity anyway.

On Mon, 25 Mar 2024 20:32:01 +0000, Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> wrote:

>The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> We were also told by the authorities that there were no muslim gang
>> rape and girl grooming gangs, that Jimmy Savile was a great guy, that
>> there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.
>>
>When/where did "the authorities" (whoever they are) say that "Jimmy
>Savile was a great guy"?

"Great guy" or "National treasure" - it's the same fucking thing. The
BBC has a habit of describing all their half-baked "talents" as 'great
guys' and 'national treasures' before they get outed as anything but.
John Peel was another one. Google the cunt why don't you? And while
you're at it, Google Eric Gill, who's sculpture of a man fucking a boy
is still in place about Broadcasting House despite many a principled
man's attempts to have it removed and destroyed.

On 25/03/2024 22:33, Cursitor Doom wrote:
> On Mon, 25 Mar 24 16:15:03 UTC, charles <charles@candehope.me.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> In article
>> <1986603104.733073353.235841.timdownieuk-yahoo.co.youkay@news.individual.net>,
>> Tim+ <timdownieuk@yahoo.co.youkay> wrote:
>>> Andy Bennett <aben@ben37j.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> I'm guessing the driver of said vehicle and the DVLA are all well aware
>>>> of the vehicles credentials.
>>>>
>>
>>> Unfortunately the tinfoil hat brigade would rather believe wot some man in
>>> the pub said over any statement by the fire brigade.
>>
>>> Tim
>>
>> and, we all know that until electric cars appeared, no car had ever caught
>> fire ;-)
>
> Until electric cars appeared, no car park had ever caught fire.
> Certainly not with that degree of ferocity anyway.

https://www.bafsa.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/bsk-pdf-manager/2018/12/Merseyside-FRS-Car-Park-Report.pdf

Started in the engine compartment of a diesel Range Rover. This uses
that fire as an example of what is different today from 20-30 years ago.

https://anbeal.co.uk/page64.html

It is also mentioned in this list of similar fires from a sprinkler
manufacturer:

https://www.eurosprinkler.org/fire-destroys-200-cars-in-swedish-car-park/

A 100 car fire, with structural collapse:

https://www.firehouse.com/lodds/news/10514192/seven-swiss-firefighters-die-in-collapsed-parking-garage

There are plenty more examples for anybody who can be bothered to look
for them.

--
Colin Bignell

On 25/03/2024 22:31, Cursitor Doom wrote:
> On 25 Mar 2024 15:31:17 GMT, Tim+ <timdownieuk@yahoo.co.youkay> wrote:
>
>> Andy Bennett <aben@ben37j.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm guessing the driver of said vehicle and the DVLA are all well aware
>>> of the vehicles credentials.
>>>
>>
>> Unfortunately the tinfoil hat brigade would rather believe wot some man in
>> the pub said over any statement by the fire brigade.
>
> You don't need a number plate to identify a specific make and model of
> a vehicle. Even a grainy picture of the exterior will do, if viewed
> by persons of suffiicient familiiarity with the marque in question.

Maybe, but a "grainy picture of the exterior" is very convenient for
those who want to blame an EV for a multi-story car park fire.

On 25/03/2024 22:33, Cursitor Doom wrote:
> On Mon, 25 Mar 24 16:15:03 UTC, charles <charles@candehope.me.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> In article
>> <1986603104.733073353.235841.timdownieuk-yahoo.co.youkay@news.individual.net>,
>> Tim+ <timdownieuk@yahoo.co.youkay> wrote:
>>> Andy Bennett <aben@ben37j.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> I'm guessing the driver of said vehicle and the DVLA are all well aware
>>>> of the vehicles credentials.
>>>>
>>
>>> Unfortunately the tinfoil hat brigade would rather believe wot some man in
>>> the pub said over any statement by the fire brigade.
>>
>>> Tim
>>
>> and, we all know that until electric cars appeared, no car had ever caught
>> fire ;-)
>
> Until electric cars appeared, no car park had ever caught fire.
> Certainly not with that degree of ferocity anyway.

I suppose more recent vehicles have bigger diesel tanks.

On 3/25/2024 4:58 PM, Fredxx wrote:
> On 25/03/2024 18:46, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 25/03/2024 17:33, Andy Burns wrote:
>>> Dan Green wrote:
>>>
>>>> The members of Landyzone.co.uk discussion
>>>> forum were able to positively ID this as ahybrid  EV from the photos
>>>> within about 48hrs and I trust them over and above anyone else any day
>>>> of the week.
>>>
>>> While I'm sure they have some members who can tell what model year a given landrover is from 1,000paces, and know which years diesel/petrol/phev versions were sold, I don't see how they have X-ray vision to see through the bodywork to know which particular model was involved?
>>>
>>> I seem to remember the registration plate was deciphered with reasonable certainty, and the DVLA site showed a fuel type of diesel ...
>>
>> The number plate was not deciphered. Nor have the vehicle details ever been published.
>
> Then you are burying your head firmly in the ground.
>
> Facts you don't like to hear are ignored by you. It is a fact there were articles at the time, that corroborated and published the registration number, type and credentials of the vehicle, and that it was a diesel powered vehicle.
>
> This is just one article you don't want to read.
>   https://www.landrovermonthly.co.uk/articles/news/the-truth-is-revealed/
>
> Now, do I believe this and other articles, or some rambling twat that thinks smoking doesn't cause cancer because cigarette companies say it doesn't.
>

I've seen two discussion threads, where people are "positive" they
can read the number plate. And the two text strings share
nothing in common! How clever.

I'm sure they have some sort of other evidence to go on.
Which some privacy policy seems to prevent us from
finding out.

The VIN plates are not made of particularly fire-proof
material, so sifting through the fire scene is not
going to recover the VIN. If an engine block has
a serial number stamped on it, that may help identify
the pile of ashes.

Paul

On Tue, 26 Mar 2024 13:42:04 +1100, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:

> On 3/25/2024 4:58 PM, Fredxx wrote:
>> On 25/03/2024 18:46, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 25/03/2024 17:33, Andy Burns wrote:
>>>> Dan Green wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The members of Landyzone.co.uk discussion
>>>>> forum were able to positively ID this as ahybrid EV from the photos
>>>>> within about 48hrs and I trust them over and above anyone else any
>>>>> day
>>>>> of the week.
>>>>
>>>> While I'm sure they have some members who can tell what model year a
>>>> given landrover is from 1,000paces, and know which years
>>>> diesel/petrol/phev versions were sold, I don't see how they have
>>>> X-ray vision to see through the bodywork to know which particular
>>>> model was involved?
>>>>
>>>> I seem to remember the registration plate was deciphered with
>>>> reasonable certainty, and the DVLA site showed a fuel type of diesel
>>>> ...
>>>
>>> The number plate was not deciphered. Nor have the vehicle details ever
>>> been published.
>>
>> Then you are burying your head firmly in the ground.
>>
>> Facts you don't like to hear are ignored by you. It is a fact there
>> were articles at the time, that corroborated and published the
>> registration number, type and credentials of the vehicle, and that it
>> was a diesel powered vehicle.
>>
>> This is just one article you don't want to read.
>>
>> https://www.landrovermonthly.co.uk/articles/news/the-truth-is-revealed/
>>
>> Now, do I believe this and other articles, or some rambling twat that
>> thinks smoking doesn't cause cancer because cigarette companies say it
>> doesn't.
>>
>
> I've seen two discussion threads, where people are "positive" they
> can read the number plate. And the two text strings share
> nothing in common! How clever.
>
> I'm sure they have some sort of other evidence to go on.
> Which some privacy policy seems to prevent us from
> finding out.
>
> The VIN plates are not made of particularly fire-proof
> material, so sifting through the fire scene is not
> going to recover the VIN. If an engine block has
> a serial number stamped on it, that may help identify
> the pile of ashes.

But it will be obvious if its a pure diesel or not

The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> Fires in diesel cars do not start under the passenger floor where the
> lithium battery is located in the hybrid.

Maybe they were carrying something flammable in the passenger floor well?

> Saying a hybrid is in fact 'not a BEV, but a diesel' is convenient
> economy with the truth

But the fire service stated it's not a MHEV, not a PHEV, not a BEV.

Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 25 Mar 2024 20:32:01 +0000, Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> wrote:
>
> >The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> >>
> >> We were also told by the authorities that there were no muslim gang
> >> rape and girl grooming gangs, that Jimmy Savile was a great guy, that
> >> there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.
> >>
> >When/where did "the authorities" (whoever they are) say that "Jimmy
> >Savile was a great guy"?
>
> "Great guy" or "National treasure" - it's the same fucking thing. The
> BBC has a habit of describing all their half-baked "talents" as 'great
> guys' and 'national treasures' before they get outed as anything but.
> John Peel was another one. Google the cunt why don't you? And while
> you're at it, Google Eric Gill, who's sculpture of a man fucking a boy
> is still in place about Broadcasting House despite many a principled
> man's attempts to have it removed and destroyed.

Since when has the BBC been "the authorities"? I'd assumed you meant
some part of the government by that.

--
Chris Green
·

On Tue, 26 Mar 2024 07:25:01 +0000
Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:

> The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
> > Fires in diesel cars do not start under the passenger floor where
> > the lithium battery is located in the hybrid.
>
> Maybe they were carrying something flammable in the passenger floor
> well?
>
> > Saying a hybrid is in fact 'not a BEV, but a diesel' is convenient
> > economy with the truth
>
> But the fire service stated it's not a MHEV, not a PHEV, not a BEV.

The fire service are clearly commies. Look at the colour of the
vehicles they drive around in! If that's not hiding in plain sight,
then I don't know what is.

On 26/03/2024 00:13, Fredxx wrote:
> On 25/03/2024 22:33, Cursitor Doom wrote:
>> On Mon, 25 Mar 24 16:15:03 UTC, charles <charles@candehope.me.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> In article
>>> <1986603104.733073353.235841.timdownieuk-yahoo.co.youkay@news.individual.net>,
>>>    Tim+ <timdownieuk@yahoo.co.youkay> wrote:
>>>> Andy Bennett <aben@ben37j.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> I'm guessing the driver of said vehicle and the DVLA are all well
>>>>> aware
>>>>> of the vehicles credentials.
>>>>>
>>>
>>>> Unfortunately the tinfoil hat brigade would rather believe wot some
>>>> man in
>>>> the pub said over any statement by the fire brigade.
>>>
>>>> Tim
>>>
>>> and, we all know that until electric cars appeared, no car had ever
>>> caught
>>> fire ;-)
>>
>> Until electric cars appeared, no car park had ever caught fire.
>> Certainly not with that degree of ferocity anyway.
>
> I suppose more recent vehicles have bigger diesel tanks.

There are also more diesel cars and diesel can create a river of fire in
a way that petrol does not.

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Colin Bignell

On 25/03/2024 22:31, Cursitor Doom wrote:
> On 25 Mar 2024 15:31:17 GMT, Tim+ <timdownieuk@yahoo.co.youkay> wrote:
>
>> Andy Bennett <aben@ben37j.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm guessing the driver of said vehicle and the DVLA are all well aware
>>> of the vehicles credentials.
>>>
>>
>> Unfortunately the tinfoil hat brigade would rather believe wot some man in
>> the pub said over any statement by the fire brigade.
>
> You don't need a number plate to identify a specific make and model of
> a vehicle. Even a grainy picture of the exterior will do, if viewed
> by persons of suffiicient familiiarity with the marque in question.
But that particular model comes (or came) in hybrid and pure diesel
versions

They looked identical from outside. Credible deniability....

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look exactly the same afterwards."

Billy Connolly

On 26/03/2024 07:25, Andy Burns wrote:
> The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>> Fires in diesel cars do not start under the passenger floor where the
>> lithium battery is located in the hybrid.
>
> Maybe they were carrying something flammable in the passenger floor well?
>
>> Saying a hybrid is in fact 'not a BEV, but a diesel' is convenient
>> economy with the truth
>
> But the fire service stated it's not a MHEV, not a PHEV, not a BEV.

I know what their report is stating. I dont know what the officers who
examined the wreckage are saying or indeed why its actual ownership and
registration has not been published so that anyone can look it up, since
presumably its owner talked to the police years ago and didn't just
abandon it burning and never look back and never contact his insurance
company.

If you keep everything secret except one 'official' report that cannot
be cross checked, expect people to be suspicious.

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"The great thing about Glasgow is that if there's a nuclear attack it'll
look exactly the same afterwards."

Billy Connolly

On 26/03/2024 08:21, Steve wrote:
> On Tue, 26 Mar 2024 07:25:01 +0000
> Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
>
>> The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>
>>> Fires in diesel cars do not start under the passenger floor where
>>> the lithium battery is located in the hybrid.
>>
>> Maybe they were carrying something flammable in the passenger floor
>> well?
>>
>>> Saying a hybrid is in fact 'not a BEV, but a diesel' is convenient
>>> economy with the truth
>>
>> But the fire service stated it's not a MHEV, not a PHEV, not a BEV.
>
> The fire service are clearly commies. Look at the colour of the
> vehicles they drive around in! If that's not hiding in plain sight,
> then I don't know what is.
>
LOL!

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