On Friday, 15 April 2022 at 09:10:02 UTC+10, petzl wrote:
> On Wed, 13 Apr 2022 19:02:37 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> >> wants to conquer.
> >> >What rubbish. NATO has levelled Iraq and Libya.
> >> WHY? Should have known as a Putin supporter you would also
> >> support terrorist.
> >
> >No greater terrorist than NATO, US etc. so far as numbers of innocent victims go.
> >I do not support war.
> >Which means, a war to prevent far greater wars is like taking an inoculation to prevent death from some infection.
> >Putin says he had no choice. He is fully supported by Russians.
> >
> >> >They wanted to hit Russia from below but that plan has been foiled by Putin.
> >> Liar.
> >
> >Not at all, I am only repeating what Indian journalists say, quoting Putin.
> >Putin is doing the equivalent of the US attacking Cuba to prevent planting of nukes there, enforcing Monroe doctrine, doing regime change in some 80 operations worldwide since WW2.
> >US is very good at screwing up other nations, this time using a puppet comic.
> >
> Get a proper news reader that wordwraps they are free!
> There a also Free newsservers!

No thanks, google groups works fine for me.
> >
> There is a Fakenews propaganda against Putin, using the same finger
> prints they used with Trump,
> Screen shots of articles
> https://ibb.co/0sfZCrV
>
> As Rod Speed has pointed out Ukraine was never about joining NATO.

Rod is a lying arsehole. Useless it is to waste time upon his prodigious waste.

> They were trying to become part of the "European Union" only.
> Russia did not want this,
> The EU offered $828 million for aid to help them do so.
> Russia then offered Ukraine a $15 billion loan and to cut Russian
> natural gas prices by almost a third. Yanukovych canceled negotiations
> with the EU and accepted Putin’s offer.

Then the West staged a coup and got Y out.
> So Putin is lying also!

No logic here.

> First casualty of war is always the TRUTH!

Yes.
>
> -- Petzl

> Putin like Hitler, is good at bullshit.
No, Putin does not rant, nor does he target Jews. He is much more clever and capable than Hitler, who made so many mistakes.

> >Putin is doing the equivalent of the US attacking Cuba to prevent planting of nukes there, enforcing Monroe doctrine, doing regime change in some 80 operations worldwide since WW2.
> Sure he is and how many people did the USSR kill? 20 million of its
> own people, and that is what you are supporting.

What nonsense. 20 million died in WW2 fighting the Nazi invasion and then defeating them.
Under Stalin USSR population grew and they became a superpower.

> >US is very good at screwing up other nations, this time using a puppet comic.
> They are very good at screwing up for 2 decades and have elected
> inept Presidents that latest the worse.

Over 4 decades, for the last half-decent potus was Jimmy Carter.

I admit moderates and
> independents need to get more involved in the primaries and select
> better leaders.

Amen.

> The extremist have really fucked up the USA.

Actually with the defeat of Carter the engineers lost and the showmen took over.
Sad.

Some drug crazed drunken curry muncher claiming to be
Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> spewed
reams of stinking curry muncher shit, all flushed where it belongs.

Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote

>> >> The world say the killings of civilians done by the scum of Putin's
>> >> army.

>> >What crocodile tears from those who caused the whole horror!
>> Besides quoting Putin what evidence do you have?

> Go to the OP and click on the link of what Prof John Mersheimer has to
> say. USA is to blame.

Just because some fool claims something...

Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote

>> Putin like Hitler, is good at bullshit.

And lies about invading.

> No,

Yep.

> Putin does not rant,

But does bullshit and lie and has his enemys murdered,
just like Hitler and invades just after saying that he wouldn't.

> nor does he target Jews. He is much more clever andcapable than Hitler,
> who made so many mistakes.

He won't manage anything like Hitler did with the Ukraine, you watch.

>> >Putin is doing the equivalent of the US attacking Cuba to prevent
>> planting of nukes there, enforcing Monroe doctrine, doing regime change
>> in some 80 operations worldwide since WW2.

>> Sure he is and how many people did the USSR kill? 20 millionof its own
>> people, and that is what you are supporting.

> What nonsense. 20 million died in WW2 fighting the Nazi invasion and
> then defeating them.

He was talking about the famine that collectivisation produced, stupid.

> Under Stalin USSR population grew

It always has everywhere, fuckwit.

> and they became a superpower.

Bullshit they did. Their GDP doesnt even beat the UK.

>> >US is very good at screwing up other nations, this time using a puppet
>> comic.

>> They are very good at screwing up for 2 decades and have elected
>> inept Presidents that latest the worse.

> Over 4 decades, for the last half-decent potus was Jimmy Carter.

More mindless bullshit. That fool couldn't even manage
to handle the seizure of the US embassy in Iran.

> I admit moderates and
>> independents need to get more involved in the primaries and select
>> better leaders.

Not gunna happen, essentially because only a fool would want the job.

> Amen.

You stupid Hindus aren't allowed to say that.

>> The extremist have really fucked up the USA.

> Actually with the defeat of Carter the engineers lost and the showmen
> took over.
> Sad.

On Friday, 15 April 2022 at 16:17:22 UTC+10, Rod Speed wrote:
> Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
> >> >> The world say the killings of civilians done by the scum of Putin's
> >> >> army.
>
> >> >What crocodile tears from those who caused the whole horror!
> >> Besides quoting Putin what evidence do you have?
>
> > Go to the OP and click on the link of what Prof John Mersheimer has to
> > say. USA is to blame.
> Just because some fool claims something...
He is a renowned political scientist, not a fool.
He talks good sense; now how would that suit lying arseholes.

Arsehole Rod's pigshits flushed.

Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote

>> >> >> The world say the killings of civilians done by the scum of
>> Putin's
>> >> >> army.
>>
>> >> >What crocodile tears from those who caused the whole horror!

>> >> Besides quoting Putin what evidence do you have?
>>
>> > Go to the OP and click on the link of what Prof John Mersheimer has to
>> > say. USA is to blame.

>> Just because some fool claims something...

> He is a renowned political scientist,

Bullshit he is.

> not a fool.

He obviously is with his stupid claim that the USA is to blame.

> He talks good sense;

Bullshit he is with his stupid claim that the USA is to blame.

> now how would that suit lying arseholes.

You are being too hard on yourself.

Some drug crazed drunken curry muncher claiming to be
Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> spewed
reams of stinking curry muncher shit, all flushed where it belongs.

On Thu, 14 Apr 2022 17:26:25 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
<banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Friday, 15 April 2022 at 02:28:54 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
>> On Wed, 13 Apr 2022 18:54:30 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >> >> >No, they have a thriving democracy where opposition is allowed.
>> >> >> Then go outside and yell the war must stop or peace now.
>> >> >In times of war opposition is not allowed anywhere.
>> >> But that Putin doesn't even want it called a war. Putin is an idiot
>> >> and true pure evil. Putin also said the war was because Ukraine was
>> >> Nazi. They have a Jew as president. It is Putin that is like the
>> >> Nazis and a true idiot.
>> >
>> >No, Putin says that if Ukraine joined NATO it could not be invaded.
>> Well would have made it much harder.
>Impossibly one-sided without nuclear exchange. Putin knew that Ukraine would be lost if it joined NATO. So he invaded before they could join NATO.
>> >So he has to make a pre-emptive move, calls in special operations.
>> Putin, is an idiot and so much like the old USSR, I also believe he
>> like Biden might have dementia.
>Wrong. From his videos giving press conferences he appears highly intelligent, aware and capable. Does not read out from a screen, gives good replies.
>> >Zelensky is a US puppet, serving western interests.
>> Not really. Do you believe wanting to be independent of Russian
>> control to be only "western interests"? There is China if Putin
>> wants a good ass kicking.
>Zelensky was not under Russian control.
>He was and is under western control. '
>> >Those grabbing interests were foiled by Putin, so there is much squealing in the western media.
>> No, it is the murders and war crimes that is causing that.
>
>Who knows who did what crime.

I know, I know if it isn't from Russian State television it is fake
news all those videos are fake.

>All I know is that Biden wants Putin out, for that is what he said - as having a more pliant chap like Zelensky in Moscow would help the West in the never-ending grab that reached its height after the break-up of USSR. Which Putin fixed.

Putin is a freak.
>
>> >The Russians call thieves Nazis. Nazis stole the amber panels from the winter palace, and that seemed to bother our Russian guide the most for they have not yet been recovered.
>> How will he take back say Poland? USSR failed and many found
>> freedom so much better than any form of communism or tyranny.
>
>Russians think Ukraine belongs to them.
It doesn't.

>Poland was an enemy for centuries, and a reluctant part of Warsaw Pact. Again it is an enemy to Russia. Quite historic, their animosity. Sad. They should learn to be good friends, both are wonderful in their own ways.

Do you still believe that the Ukrainians would be waiting with open
arms for you and Putin? They kicked your army's ass. Yes, you did
attack civilians, but how else can the cowardly Russian armed forces
act the Ukrainian armed forces, even with fewer arms kicked Russia's
ass big time.

They even sunk some of your ships. '\

>It is US that is a tyrannical monster: full of lies, violence, greed, selfishness, meanness, lechery, pollution, jails, casinos, racism, bigotry etc.
>Its tyranny lies in inflicting its vile culture or lack of it upon unsuspecting outsiders.
>Russia is much more positive.

Almost choked on that bit of propaganda. What do you think of
Australia?
>> >
>> >> >> >And within the party there is freedom of thought so long as that is not treacherous.
>> >> >> Treacherous is to disagree with Putin.
>> >> >No, so long as you are not treacherous as his opposition usually are, being the tools of the West.
>> >> Telling people there is a war and wanting peace is so very
>> >> treacherous and worthy of 15 years in jail to that freak Putin.
>> >It is a war for peace and security.
>> >Not wanting NATO nukes pointed at your belly is an idea supported by most Russians.
>> >> >> >A fine system, far better than US.
>> >> >> No.
>> >> >Yes, to thirdworlders.
>> >> Third-world countries like Russia.
>> >
>> >Correct, first time! Congratulations.
>> >
>> >> Fuck Russia, it is a backward
>> >> sewer, well, those that support Putin are shit. Wait, not a sewer
>> >> that is too advanced, just an outhouse.
>> >
>> >Russia gives; US takes!
>> How did the US "take" and what?
>
>From India US took the top talent for generations, now. Used them for economic gain.

Took them? Maybe they paid then and treated them better. Doubt
they were abducted. Maybe if India wasn't such a shit hole country
they would have stayed.

>From Ukraine it took away peace and whatever wits they had by placing a puppet in charge.

That was a elected leader. Well liked by the majority of the
people. How long has it been since Russia had a free and open
elections?

>
>
> One thing they did wrong was not
>> giving Ukraine good defense systems. Ukraine is or was a beautiful
>> country and wanted to join the EU, not so much NATO.
>
>No problem with their joining EU, from Russia.

Their country their choice.
>
>They wanted to
>> live in peace.
>
>No. They attacked the Russian separatists for 8 years, made life miserable in the Donbass, forced Ukrainian language upon the rest.

Oh, the terrorist Russians? I see. ever hear of the Chechen
Republic and how Putin handles separatists. So they learn both
languages, big deal, many people in the EU know 2 or three.
>
> IMO. Ukraine's mistake was giving away the Nukes, the
>> USSR left.
>
>That was a condition for independence, along with other conditions such as neutrality.

That isn't how it works. More Russian propaganda. I'm hoping they
did keep a few. if they had Putin could not do what he is, Putin is
basically a coward at heart. Russia wasn't in any shape to make
threats after the fall. It actually was begging the West for aid.

On Thu, 14 Apr 2022 17:30:37 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
<banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Friday, 15 April 2022 at 02:39:44 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
>> On Wed, 13 Apr 2022 19:02:37 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Thursday, 14 April 2022 at 02:45:26 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
>> >> On Wed, 13 Apr 2022 01:53:14 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >> >A fine system, far better than US.
>> >> >> No.
>> >> >Yes. I would much rather stay in Russia than US.
>> >> >> >He is a Czar and Russia has different ways.
>> >> >> Putin is a useless freak.
>> >> >To US, he is much worse than that! He puts the spanner in their grabby works.
>> >> >But he is useful to the Washington Swamp Monsters and the Deep State Devils.
>> >> >They are bursting out of their skins with joy, with the money from Putin's war. Stocks are booming in the war markets, if Arnab Goswami is correct.
>> >> >> >It works for most Russians and they like it this way.
>> >> >> Then why not have open elections.
>> >> >They have and they love Putin as Gorbachov says.
>> >> >> >All nations have their ways.
>> >> >> True.
>> >> >> >They need not follow other ways.
>> >> >> >USA gets along fine with Saudi, China etc. where ways are also brutal.
>> >> >> Yes, Russia wants to use its inhumane ways on other countries. Why
>> >> >> should not other countries treat Russia in a similar manner?
>> >> >They can try.
>> >> >Russia treats thirdworld countries very well, unlike the US.
>> >> >So Russia is their favourite.
>> >> >> >> >Did Lincoln have a 80% approval rate in the North when he started the civil war?
>> >> >> >> >Napoleon had a high approval rate. So did Hitler before WW2.
>> >> >> >> >Don't know what will happen. Putin is taking strict security measures, so any assassin sent by your gods gotta be really good at his job. At least as good as Jason Bourne, etc. Will life follow "art"?
>> >> >> >> What gods? Putin is a freak.
>> >> >> >I meant devils.
>> >> >> >Putin is wonderful, does his job, saves us from WW3.
>> >> >> No, NATO is a defensive alliance. No threat to Putin unless he
>> >> >> wants to conquer.
>> >> >What rubbish. NATO has levelled Iraq and Libya.
>> >> WHY? Should have known as a Putin supporter you would also
>> >> support terrorist.
>>
>> >No greater terrorist than NATO, US etc. so far as numbers of innocent victims go.
>> >I do not support war.
>> Your words suggest you only support a tyrant.
>I support good rulers.
>> >Which means, a war to prevent far greater wars is like taking an inoculation to prevent death from some infection.
>> >Putin says he had no choice. He is fully supported by Russians.
>> How do you know have you asked and are they allowed to see doe
>> themselves since Russia banned non-government controlled news and
>> limited Internet..
>Putin merely represents the Russian military, the government and the parliament.
>He has been elected by popular vote.
>In times of war control is done over news and media. Everywhere.

No that is bullshit. Not like what the freak Putin is doing.

>> >> >They wanted to hit Russia from below but that plan has been foiled by Putin.
>> >> Liar.
>> >Not at all, I am only repeating what Indian journalists say, quoting Putin.
>> Yes, I want the US to cut business ties with India. We have way
>> too much going on there.
>I would love for all the world to cut all ties with US, leave it strictly alone as a pariah state.

The USA does about 150 billion a year with India and Russia does
about 3 to 8 billion. I'm sure there are countries that would spit on
India rather than lose US business. I'm sure there are many in India
that would spit on you for even suggesting it.

Though I do believe the US companies should start looking for
alternatives to India with there support of Putin and genocide.

On Thu, 14 Apr 2022 22:48:25 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
<banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>> >> The world say the killings of civilians done by the scum of Putin's
>> >> army.
>> >What crocodile tears from those who caused the whole horror!
>> Besides quoting Putin what evidence do you have?
>
>Go to the OP and click on the link of what Prof John Mersheimer has to say. USA is to blame.

Sorry one article isn't evidence. Putin wants the old USSR backs and
that can't happen.

On Fri, 15 Apr 2022 10:40:34 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
wrote:
SNIP

> The USA does about 150 billion a year with India and Russia does
>about 3 to 8 billion. I'm sure there are countries that would spit on
>India rather than lose US business. I'm sure there are many in India
>that would spit on you for even suggesting it.
>
> Though I do believe the US companies should start looking for
>alternatives to India with there support of Putin and genocide.
>
India along with Europe don't want to lose Russian cheap energy.
Yes the US blocking trade with those continuing to trade with Russia
is a threat to them.
Biden and his totalitarian democrats are a far worse threat to the USa
--
Petzl
IN A WORLD OF PROPAGANDA, THE TRUTH IS ALWAYS A CONSPIRACY.

On Fri, 15 Apr 2022 10:41:35 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Thu, 14 Apr 2022 22:48:25 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
><banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>> >> The world say the killings of civilians done by the scum of Putin's
>>> >> army.
>>> >What crocodile tears from those who caused the whole horror!
>>> Besides quoting Putin what evidence do you have?
>>
>>Go to the OP and click on the link of what Prof John Mersheimer has to say. USA is to blame.
>
>Sorry one article isn't evidence. Putin wants the old USSR backs and
>that can't happen.
>
Not saying Putin in northing but a tyranical arsehole.
As Rod Speed has pointed out Ukraine was never about joining NATO.
They were trying to become part of the "European Union" only.
Russia did not want this,
The EU offered $828 million for aid to help them do so.
Russia then offered Ukraine a $15 billion loan and to cut Russian
natural gas prices by almost a third. Yanukovych canceled negotiations
with the EU and accepted Putin’s offer.

Then Obama/Biden had the elected Ukraine leader removed!
https://youtu.be/WV9J6sxCs5k
US Intervention
A leaked phone call, believed to have taken place on January 28, 2014,
between then US Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland and US
Ambassador to Ukraine Geoffrey Pyatt revealed that Obama-admin
officials were involved in a scheme to oust Ukrainian President
Yanukovych and replace his administration with Western allies.
--
Petzl
IN A WORLD OF PROPAGANDA, THE TRUTH IS ALWAYS A CONSPIRACY.

On Sat, 16 Apr 2022 08:34:41 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, 15 Apr 2022 10:41:35 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 14 Apr 2022 22:48:25 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>> <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>> >> The world say the killings of civilians done by the scum of Putin's
>>>> >> army.
>>>> >What crocodile tears from those who caused the whole horror!
>>>> Besides quoting Putin what evidence do you have?
>>>
>>> Go to the OP and click on the link of what Prof John Mersheimer has to
>>> say. USA is to blame.
>>
>> Sorry one article isn't evidence. Putin wants the old USSR backs and
>> that can't happen.
>>
> Not saying Putin in northing but a tyranical arsehole.
> As Rod Speed has pointed out Ukraine was never about joining NATO.
> They were trying to become part of the "European Union" only.
> Russia did not want this,
> The EU offered $828 million for aid to help them do so.
> Russia then offered Ukraine a $15 billion loan and to cut Russian
> natural gas prices by almost a third. Yanukovych canceled negotiations
> with the EU and accepted Putin’s offer.
>
> Then Obama/Biden had the elected Ukraine leader removed!
> https://youtu.be/WV9J6sxCs5k
> US Intervention
> A leaked phone call, believed to have taken place on January 28, 2014,
> between then US Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland and US
> Ambassador to Ukraine Geoffrey Pyatt revealed that Obama-admin
> officials were involved in a scheme to oust Ukrainian President
> Yanukovych and replace his administration with Western allies.

In fact it does nothing of the sort.

Petz's latest Goon-bag-fumes delusions:

/ This post was AI autocleaned to remove some virulent retarded troll
poster inputs /
/ snip more DUMB3 + 1xSeptic circle jerk wanker crap manually /

> Not saying Putin in northing but a tyranical arsehole.

You not saying anything else either, Petz dear, that would make any sense
to rational people either.

> As Rod Speed has pointed out...

....he is almost as delusional as you are.

> Ukraine was never about joining NATO.

Nor should it, for the sake of peace in Europe.
NATO is an anachronistic spent entity serving only US imperial interests
on the European continent. I'd be high time to replace it with something
more relevant to actual European interests.

> They were trying to become part of the "European Union" only.

But that ain't going to happen any time soon regardless of what Russia is
doing. Ukraine had not met the economic requirements to join up properly.
The EU does not want more economic burden by joining up a country that
like Greece for instance only represents an economic burden for the Union.

> Russia did not want this,

Russia does not want a US puppet near its borders, just as the US hates
Cuba near its territorial waters.

/snip/
>
> Then Obama/Biden had the elected Ukraine leader removed!

Yawn! Conspiracy theories as per usual.
However, on the Ukraine policies both traditional Republicans and the
Democrats are quite united. It's that Trumpist MAGA crowd that plays with
it to gain domestic political traction with the dumbed down US voters.

~~~
~~~
RE: retard Petz sig

> IN A WORLD OF PROPAGANDA, THE TRUTH IS ALWAYS A CONSPIRACY.

That explains why you always call facts fake news, Petz dear!
:P
~~

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On Saturday, 16 April 2022 at 03:36:14 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Apr 2022 17:26:25 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Friday, 15 April 2022 at 02:28:54 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
> >> On Wed, 13 Apr 2022 18:54:30 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >> >> >No, they have a thriving democracy where opposition is allowed.
> >> >> >> Then go outside and yell the war must stop or peace now.
> >> >> >In times of war opposition is not allowed anywhere.
> >> >> But that Putin doesn't even want it called a war. Putin is an idiot
> >> >> and true pure evil. Putin also said the war was because Ukraine was
> >> >> Nazi. They have a Jew as president. It is Putin that is like the
> >> >> Nazis and a true idiot.
> >> >
> >> >No, Putin says that if Ukraine joined NATO it could not be invaded.
> >> Well would have made it much harder.
> >Impossibly one-sided without nuclear exchange. Putin knew that Ukraine would be lost if it joined NATO. So he invaded before they could join NATO.
> >> >So he has to make a pre-emptive move, calls in special operations.
> >> Putin, is an idiot and so much like the old USSR, I also believe he
> >> like Biden might have dementia.
> >Wrong. From his videos giving press conferences he appears highly intelligent, aware and capable. Does not read out from a screen, gives good replies.
> >> >Zelensky is a US puppet, serving western interests.
> >> Not really. Do you believe wanting to be independent of Russian
> >> control to be only "western interests"? There is China if Putin
> >> wants a good ass kicking.
> >Zelensky was not under Russian control.
> >He was and is under western control. '
> >> >Those grabbing interests were foiled by Putin, so there is much squealing in the western media.
> >> No, it is the murders and war crimes that is causing that.
> >
> >Who knows who did what crime.
> I know, I know if it isn't from Russian State television it is fake
> news all those videos are fake.
Who knows. All I know is that the West is fighting a proxy war with Russia, to the last Ukrainian.
> >All I know is that Biden wants Putin out, for that is what he said - as having a more pliant chap like Zelensky in Moscow would help the West in the never-ending grab that reached its height after the break-up of USSR. Which Putin fixed.
> Putin is a freak.
Well he could look that way to those wanting drunken swine in charge of Russia, the whole lot being corrupt to their cores.
That I agree to.
Actually I think I know Putin well, for in my childhood I grew up among would-be Putins. It was unique, no doubt. No other Indian boy had such an experience.
That way, I am certainly freakish to the likes of you. Very different we are, certainly.
> >
> >> >The Russians call thieves Nazis. Nazis stole the amber panels from the winter palace, and that seemed to bother our Russian guide the most for they have not yet been recovered.
> >> How will he take back say Poland? USSR failed and many found
> >> freedom so much better than any form of communism or tyranny.
> >
> >Russians think Ukraine belongs to them.
> It doesn't.

Nor does Tibet to China that way, or Israel to European Jews.
Might makes right, what?
The American way, no?

> >Poland was an enemy for centuries, and a reluctant part of Warsaw Pact. Again it is an enemy to Russia. Quite historic, their animosity. Sad. They should learn to be good friends, both are wonderful in their own ways.
> Do you still believe that the Ukrainians would be waiting with open
> arms for you and Putin? They kicked your army's ass.

Yes, they were provided with neat weapons but they fought in the cities.

Yes, you did
> attack civilians, but how else can the cowardly Russian armed forces
> act the Ukrainian armed forces, even with fewer arms kicked Russia's
> ass big time.

But Russia got what Russia wanted, and that is what matters.
> They even sunk some of your ships.

True.

> >It is US that is a tyrannical monster: full of lies, violence, greed, selfishness, meanness, lechery, pollution, jails, casinos, racism, bigotry etc.
> >Its tyranny lies in inflicting its vile culture or lack of it upon unsuspecting outsiders.
> >Russia is much more positive.
> Almost choked on that bit of propaganda. What do you think of
> Australia?

More to the point, what do Australians think of US?

> >> >> >> >And within the party there is freedom of thought so long as that is not treacherous.
> >> >> >> Treacherous is to disagree with Putin.
> >> >> >No, so long as you are not treacherous as his opposition usually are, being the tools of the West.
> >> >> Telling people there is a war and wanting peace is so very
> >> >> treacherous and worthy of 15 years in jail to that freak Putin.
> >> >It is a war for peace and security.
> >> >Not wanting NATO nukes pointed at your belly is an idea supported by most Russians.
> >> >> >> >A fine system, far better than US.
> >> >> >> No.
> >> >> >Yes, to thirdworlders.
> >> >> Third-world countries like Russia.
> >> >
> >> >Correct, first time! Congratulations.
> >> >
> >> >> Fuck Russia, it is a backward
> >> >> sewer, well, those that support Putin are shit. Wait, not a sewer
> >> >> that is too advanced, just an outhouse.
> >> >
> >> >Russia gives; US takes!
> >> How did the US "take" and what?
> >
> >From India US took the top talent for generations, now. Used them for economic gain.
> Took them? Maybe they paid then and treated them better. Doubt
> they were abducted. Maybe if India wasn't such a shit hole country
> they would have stayed.

Of course they took them with bribes. India suffers accordingly.
Singapore and China did not have this loss, so they prosper much better.

> >From Ukraine it took away peace and whatever wits they had by placing a puppet in charge.

> That was a elected leader. Well liked by the majority of the
> people. How long has it been since Russia had a free and open
> elections?

Then if not a puppet - which he is - he is certainly the stupidest leader of our time, to have wrecked his country by believing in US promises.

On Sat, 16 Apr 2022 16:15:04 +1000, Arindam Banerjee
<banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Saturday, 16 April 2022 at 03:36:14 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
>> On Thu, 14 Apr 2022 17:26:25 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Friday, 15 April 2022 at 02:28:54 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
>> >> On Wed, 13 Apr 2022 18:54:30 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >> >> >No, they have a thriving democracy where opposition is
>> allowed.
>> >> >> >> Then go outside and yell the war must stop or peace now.
>> >> >> >In times of war opposition is not allowed anywhere.
>> >> >> But that Putin doesn't even want it called a war. Putin is an
>> idiot
>> >> >> and true pure evil. Putin also said the war was because Ukraine
>> was
>> >> >> Nazi. They have a Jew as president. It is Putin that is like the
>> >> >> Nazis and a true idiot.
>> >> >
>> >> >No, Putin says that if Ukraine joined NATO it could not be invaded.
>> >> Well would have made it much harder.
>> >Impossibly one-sided without nuclear exchange. Putin knew that Ukraine
>> would be lost if it joined NATO. So he invaded before they could join
>> NATO.
>> >> >So he has to make a pre-emptive move, calls in special operations.
>> >> Putin, is an idiot and so much like the old USSR, I also believe he
>> >> like Biden might have dementia.
>> >Wrong. From his videos giving press conferences he appears highly
>> intelligent, aware and capable. Does not read out from a screen, gives
>> good replies.
>> >> >Zelensky is a US puppet, serving western interests.
>> >> Not really. Do you believe wanting to be independent of Russian
>> >> control to be only "western interests"? There is China if Putin
>> >> wants a good ass kicking.
>> >Zelensky was not under Russian control.
>> >He was and is under western control. '
>> >> >Those grabbing interests were foiled by Putin, so there is much
>> squealing in the western media.
>> >> No, it is the murders and war crimes that is causing that.
>> >
>> >Who knows who did what crime.
>> I know, I know if it isn't from Russian State television it is fake
>> news all those videos are fake.

> Who knows.

> All I know is that the West is fighting a proxy war with Russia, to the
> last Ukrainian.

You know nothing of the kind.

What we do know is that the Ukraine chose to join
the EU and that Putin invaded to avoid that happening.

And it remains to be seen if he does prevent it from joining the EU.

>> >All I know is that Biden wants Putin out, for that is what he said -
>> as having a more pliant chap like Zelensky in Moscow would help the
>> West in the never-ending grab that reached its height after the
>> break-up of USSR. Which Putin fixed.
>> Putin is a freak.

> Well he could look that way to those wanting drunken swine in charge of
> Russia, the whole lot being corrupt to their cores.

That is mindless bullshit with Gorby.

> That I agree to.

> Actually I think I know Putin well, for in my childhood I grew up among
> would-be Putins. It was unique, no doubt. No other Indian boy had such
> an experience.

More of your mindless bullshit.

> That way, I am certainly freakish to the likes of you. Very different we
> are, certainly.

>> >> >The Russians call thieves Nazis. Nazis stole the amber panels from
>> the winter palace, and that seemed to bother our Russian guide the most
>> for they have not yet been recovered.
>> >> How will he take back say Poland? USSR failed and many found
>> >> freedom so much better than any form of communism or tyranny.
>> >
>> >Russians think Ukraine belongs to them.
>> It doesn't.
>
> Nor does Tibet to China that way, or Israel to European Jews.
> Might makes right, what?

> The American way, no?

Nope, America did in fact leave when the Philiippines told them to.

>> >Poland was an enemy for centuries, and a reluctant part of Warsaw
>> Pact. Again it is an enemy to Russia. Quite historic, their animosity.
>> Sad. They should learn to be good friends, both are wonderful in their
>> own ways.
>> Do you still believe that the Ukrainians would be waiting with open
>> arms for you and Putin? They kicked your army's ass.
>
> Yes, they were provided with neat weapons but they fought in the cities.
>
> Yes, you did
>> attack civilians, but how else can the cowardly Russian armed forces
>> act the Ukrainian armed forces, even with fewer arms kicked Russia's
>> ass big time.
>
> But Russia got what Russia wanted,

That remains to be seen. They tried that in Afghanistan
and didn't in fact get what they wanted. And the Ukraine
is a lot more capable of kicking them out. They have
already killed more russians in just 6 weeks that the
afghans managed in a whole 10 years. And have killed
700 of the russian's best main battle tanks, 10% of what
the russians have and have sunk the Moskva, the flagship
of the black sea fleet and the Oska landing ship.

The Afghans never managed anything even remotely like that.

> and that is what matters.

>> They even sunk some of your ships.

> True.

>> >It is US that is a tyrannical monster: full of lies, violence, greed,
>> selfishness, meanness, lechery, pollution, jails, casinos, racism,
>> bigotry etc.
>> >Its tyranny lies in inflicting its vile culture or lack of it upon
>> unsuspecting outsiders.
>> >Russia is much more positive.
>> Almost choked on that bit of propaganda. What do you think of
>> Australia?

> More to the point, what do Australians think of US?

That is has plenty of stuff we like, and russia has nothing.

>> >> >> >> >And within the party there is freedom of thought so long as
>> that is not treacherous.
>> >> >> >> Treacherous is to disagree with Putin.
>> >> >> >No, so long as you are not treacherous as his opposition usually
>> are, being the tools of the West.
>> >> >> Telling people there is a war and wanting peace is so very
>> >> >> treacherous and worthy of 15 years in jail to that freak Putin.
>> >> >It is a war for peace and security.
>> >> >Not wanting NATO nukes pointed at your belly is an idea supported
>> by most Russians.
>> >> >> >> >A fine system, far better than US.
>> >> >> >> No.
>> >> >> >Yes, to thirdworlders.
>> >> >> Third-world countries like Russia.
>> >> >
>> >> >Correct, first time! Congratulations.
>> >> >
>> >> >> Fuck Russia, it is a backward
>> >> >> sewer, well, those that support Putin are shit. Wait, not a sewer
>> >> >> that is too advanced, just an outhouse.
>> >> >
>> >> >Russia gives; US takes!
>> >> How did the US "take" and what?
>> >
>> >From India US took the top talent for generations, now. Used them for
>> economic gain.
>> Took them? Maybe they paid then and treated them better. Doubt
>> they were abducted. Maybe if India wasn't such a shit hole country
>> they would have stayed.

> Of course they took them with bribes.

Nope, just allowed them to move there.

> India suffers accordingly.

Because it can't provide what the USA can.

> Singapore and China did not have this loss,

That's a lie with China, those that wanted to move did so via HongKong.

> so they prosper much better.

More of your mindless bullshit.

>> >From Ukraine it took away peace and whatever wits they had by placing
>> a puppet in charge.
>
>> That was a elected leader. Well liked by the majority of the
>> people. How long has it been since Russia had a free and open
>> elections?

> Then if not a puppet - which he is -

Bullshit he is.

> he is certainly the stupidest leader of our time, to have wrecked his
> country by believing in US promises.

He actually noticed that the EU works a hell of a lot better
than russia does. No US promises involved.

On Saturday, 16 April 2022 at 03:40:38 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Apr 2022 17:30:37 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Friday, 15 April 2022 at 02:39:44 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
> >> On Wed, 13 Apr 2022 19:02:37 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Thursday, 14 April 2022 at 02:45:26 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
> >> >> On Wed, 13 Apr 2022 01:53:14 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
> >> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >A fine system, far better than US.
> >> >> >> No.
> >> >> >Yes. I would much rather stay in Russia than US.
> >> >> >> >He is a Czar and Russia has different ways.
> >> >> >> Putin is a useless freak.
> >> >> >To US, he is much worse than that! He puts the spanner in their grabby works.
> >> >> >But he is useful to the Washington Swamp Monsters and the Deep State Devils.
> >> >> >They are bursting out of their skins with joy, with the money from Putin's war. Stocks are booming in the war markets, if Arnab Goswami is correct.
> >> >> >> >It works for most Russians and they like it this way.
> >> >> >> Then why not have open elections.
> >> >> >They have and they love Putin as Gorbachov says.
> >> >> >> >All nations have their ways.
> >> >> >> True.
> >> >> >> >They need not follow other ways.
> >> >> >> >USA gets along fine with Saudi, China etc. where ways are also brutal.
> >> >> >> Yes, Russia wants to use its inhumane ways on other countries. Why
> >> >> >> should not other countries treat Russia in a similar manner?
> >> >> >They can try.
> >> >> >Russia treats thirdworld countries very well, unlike the US.
> >> >> >So Russia is their favourite.
> >> >> >> >> >Did Lincoln have a 80% approval rate in the North when he started the civil war?
> >> >> >> >> >Napoleon had a high approval rate. So did Hitler before WW2.
> >> >> >> >> >Don't know what will happen. Putin is taking strict security measures, so any assassin sent by your gods gotta be really good at his job. At least as good as Jason Bourne, etc. Will life follow "art"?
> >> >> >> >> What gods? Putin is a freak.
> >> >> >> >I meant devils.
> >> >> >> >Putin is wonderful, does his job, saves us from WW3.
> >> >> >> No, NATO is a defensive alliance. No threat to Putin unless he
> >> >> >> wants to conquer.
> >> >> >What rubbish. NATO has levelled Iraq and Libya.
> >> >> WHY? Should have known as a Putin supporter you would also
> >> >> support terrorist.
> >>
> >> >No greater terrorist than NATO, US etc. so far as numbers of innocent victims go.
> >> >I do not support war.
> >> Your words suggest you only support a tyrant.
> >I support good rulers.
> >> >Which means, a war to prevent far greater wars is like taking an inoculation to prevent death from some infection.
> >> >Putin says he had no choice. He is fully supported by Russians.
> >> How do you know have you asked and are they allowed to see doe
> >> themselves since Russia banned non-government controlled news and
> >> limited Internet..
> >Putin merely represents the Russian military, the government and the parliament.
> >He has been elected by popular vote.
> >In times of war control is done over news and media. Everywhere.
> No that is bullshit. Not like what the freak Putin is doing.
> >> >> >They wanted to hit Russia from below but that plan has been foiled by Putin.
> >> >> Liar.
> >> >Not at all, I am only repeating what Indian journalists say, quoting Putin.
> >> Yes, I want the US to cut business ties with India. We have way
> >> too much going on there.
> >I would love for all the world to cut all ties with US, leave it strictly alone as a pariah state.
> The USA does about 150 billion a year with India and Russia does
> about 3 to 8 billion.

Quite like an USAn to harp about money as if that only mattered!
For that is all it knows.
Talking of money, how much did it take to remove and then reinstall the Taliban?
Some talk of trillions!
What was the budget of the Taliban? The VietCong?
How much do you lot spend on education?
What is the result?

> I'm sure there are countries that would spit on
> India rather than lose US business.

Not countries - corrupt, weak individuals running things like business, governments, media, etc.

> I'm sure there are many in India
> that would spit on you for even suggesting it.

Please do not think Indians to be as rude as you naturally are, as an American.
India is a real democracy, unlike the US, a corrupt oligarchy.
And what with our timeless civilisation and supreme culture - most polite, especially to strangers.
In India people take opinions widely different from their own, gracefully.
Tolerance works like that.
So we do not spit at each other.
Which is why we have such brilliant diversity in India. Chaotic, but mutually supportive.
We do not wear baseball caps, eat hot dogs, and claim loudly that we are the best!
For the life of the genuine Indian is based upon morality.
Satyam Shivan Sundaram - Truth Goodness Beauty - strictly in descending order of importance.

> Though I do believe the US companies should start looking for
> alternatives to India with there support of Putin and genocide.

Good, good. All US influences should be eliminated from India, to begin with. Up BRIICS and the Commonwealth! All work hard and cleverly!
Quadrillions in gold will result to India, and the world; and later to a better US - if that can be; with the dismissal of the present stinking US billions.

Cheers,
Arindam Banerjee

Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Saturday, 16 April 2022 at 03:40:38 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
>> On Thu, 14 Apr 2022 17:30:37 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Friday, 15 April 2022 at 02:39:44 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
>> >> On Wed, 13 Apr 2022 19:02:37 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >On Thursday, 14 April 2022 at 02:45:26 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
>> >> >> On Wed, 13 Apr 2022 01:53:14 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>> >> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >A fine system, far better than US.
>> >> >> >> No.
>> >> >> >Yes. I would much rather stay in Russia than US.
>> >> >> >> >He is a Czar and Russia has different ways.
>> >> >> >> Putin is a useless freak.
>> >> >> >To US, he is much worse than that! He puts the spanner in their
>> grabby works.
>> >> >> >But he is useful to the Washington Swamp Monsters and the Deep
>> State Devils.
>> >> >> >They are bursting out of their skins with joy, with the money
>> from Putin's war. Stocks are booming in the war markets, if Arnab
>> Goswami is correct.
>> >> >> >> >It works for most Russians and they like it this way.
>> >> >> >> Then why not have open elections.
>> >> >> >They have and they love Putin as Gorbachov says.
>> >> >> >> >All nations have their ways.
>> >> >> >> True.
>> >> >> >> >They need not follow other ways.
>> >> >> >> >USA gets along fine with Saudi, China etc. where ways are
>> also brutal.
>> >> >> >> Yes, Russia wants to use its inhumane ways on other countries.
>> Why
>> >> >> >> should not other countries treat Russia in a similar manner?
>> >> >> >They can try.
>> >> >> >Russia treats thirdworld countries very well, unlike the US.
>> >> >> >So Russia is their favourite.
>> >> >> >> >> >Did Lincoln have a 80% approval rate in the North when he
>> started the civil war?
>> >> >> >> >> >Napoleon had a high approval rate. So did Hitler before
>> WW2.
>> >> >> >> >> >Don't know what will happen. Putin is taking strict
>> security measures, so any assassin sent by your gods gotta be really
>> good at his job. At least as good as Jason Bourne, etc. Will life
>> follow "art"?
>> >> >> >> >> What gods? Putin is a freak.
>> >> >> >> >I meant devils.
>> >> >> >> >Putin is wonderful, does his job, saves us from WW3.
>> >> >> >> No, NATO is a defensive alliance. No threat to Putin unless he
>> >> >> >> wants to conquer.
>> >> >> >What rubbish. NATO has levelled Iraq and Libya.
>> >> >> WHY? Should have known as a Putin supporter you would also
>> >> >> support terrorist.
>> >>
>> >> >No greater terrorist than NATO, US etc. so far as numbers of
>> innocent victims go.
>> >> >I do not support war.
>> >> Your words suggest you only support a tyrant.
>> >I support good rulers.
>> >> >Which means, a war to prevent far greater wars is like taking an
>> inoculation to prevent death from some infection.
>> >> >Putin says he had no choice. He is fully supported by Russians.
>> >> How do you know have you asked and are they allowed to see doe
>> >> themselves since Russia banned non-government controlled news and
>> >> limited Internet..
>> >Putin merely represents the Russian military, the government and the
>> parliament.
>> >He has been elected by popular vote.
>> >In times of war control is done over news and media. Everywhere.
>> No that is bullshit. Not like what the freak Putin is doing.
>> >> >> >They wanted to hit Russia from below but that plan has been
>> foiled by Putin.
>> >> >> Liar.
>> >> >Not at all, I am only repeating what Indian journalists say,
>> quoting Putin.
>> >> Yes, I want the US to cut business ties with India. We have way
>> >> too much going on there.
>> >I would love for all the world to cut all ties with US, leave it
>> strictly alone as a pariah state.
>> The USA does about 150 billion a year with India and Russia does
>> about 3 to 8 billion.
>
> Quite like an USAn to harp about money as if that only mattered!
> For that is all it knows.
> Talking of money, how much did it take to remove and then reinstall the
> Taliban?
> Some talk of trillions!
> What was the budget of the Taliban? The VietCong?
> How much do you lot spend on education?
> What is the result?
>
>> I'm sure there are countries that would spit on
>> India rather than lose US business.
>
> Not countries - corrupt, weak individuals running things like business,
> governments, media, etc.
>
>> I'm sure there are many in India
>> that would spit on you for even suggesting it.
>
> Please do not think Indians to be as rude as you naturally are, as an
> American.
> India is a real democracy, unlike the US, a corrupt oligarchy.

> And what with our timeless civilisation and supreme culture - most
> polite,

Except when they slaughter millions of muslims.

> especially to strangers.
> In India people take opinions widely different from their own,
> gracefully.

Except when it involves muslims.

> Tolerance works like that.

Except when it involves muslims.

> So we do not spit at each other.

Yeah, just slaughter each other.

> Which is why we have such brilliant diversity in India. Chaotic, but
> mutually supportive.

Must be why you buggers slaughter each other on a scale
that no one else does.

> We do not wear baseball caps, eat hot dogs, and claim loudly that we are
> the best!

But slaughter each other instead.

> For the life of the genuine Indian is based upon morality.

Which involves slaughtering each other.

> Satyam Shivan Sundaram - Truth Goodness Beauty - strictly in descending
> order of importance.

And murdering each other.

>> Though I do believe the US companies should start looking for
>> alternatives to India with there support of Putin and genocide.
>
> Good, good. All US influences should be eliminated from India, to begin
> with.

Not a chance.

> Up BRIICS and the Commonwealth! All work hard and cleverly!

And murdering each other.

> Quadrillions in gold will result to India, and the world;

And immense piles of corpses.

> and later to a better US - if that can be; with the dismissal of the
> present stinking US billions.

Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed drunken psychotic
fantasys.

On Saturday, 16 April 2022 at 03:41:41 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Apr 2022 22:48:25 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >> >> The world say the killings of civilians done by the scum of Putin's
> >> >> army.
> >> >What crocodile tears from those who caused the whole horror!
> >> Besides quoting Putin what evidence do you have?
> >
> >Go to the OP and click on the link of what Prof John Mersheimer has to say. USA is to blame.
> Sorry one article isn't evidence. Putin wants the old USSR backs and
> that can't happen.
It presents a correct view, going by my experiences. Which is why it impressed me. Prof. Mersheimer does not look like a Russian propagandist; nor even a Russian.
Fact and logic, as presented by the prof, are lost upon fools and scoundrels.
Not a surprise, that.

On Saturday, 16 April 2022 at 08:19:08 UTC+10, petzl wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Apr 2022 10:40:34 -0700, Mattb <trdel...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> SNIP
> > The USA does about 150 billion a year with India and Russia does
> >about 3 to 8 billion. I'm sure there are countries that would spit on
> >India rather than lose US business. I'm sure there are many in India
> >that would spit on you for even suggesting it.
> >
> > Though I do believe the US companies should start looking for
> >alternatives to India with there support of Putin and genocide.
> >
> India along with Europe don't want to lose Russian cheap energy.
> Yes the US blocking trade with those continuing to trade with Russia
> is a threat to them.

In 1973 in St. Xavier's College, Calcutta, I attended a debate which had the motion:
"The world would have been a better place if Colombus had not discovered America".
> Biden and his totalitarian democrats are a far worse threat to the USa
> --
> Petzl
> IN A WORLD OF PROPAGANDA, THE TRUTH IS ALWAYS A CONSPIRACY.

On Saturday, 16 April 2022 at 17:48:31 UTC+10, Rod Speed wrote:
his usual crap. Flushed.

On Saturday, 16 April 2022 at 20:16:07 UTC+10, Rod Speed wrote:
even more crap, also flushed.

On Fri, 15 Apr 2022 23:15:04 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
<banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Saturday, 16 April 2022 at 03:36:14 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
>> On Thu, 14 Apr 2022 17:26:25 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Friday, 15 April 2022 at 02:28:54 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
>> >> On Wed, 13 Apr 2022 18:54:30 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >> >> >No, they have a thriving democracy where opposition is allowed.
>> >> >> >> Then go outside and yell the war must stop or peace now.
>> >> >> >In times of war opposition is not allowed anywhere.
>> >> >> But that Putin doesn't even want it called a war. Putin is an idiot
>> >> >> and true pure evil. Putin also said the war was because Ukraine was
>> >> >> Nazi. They have a Jew as president. It is Putin that is like the
>> >> >> Nazis and a true idiot.
>> >> >
>> >> >No, Putin says that if Ukraine joined NATO it could not be invaded.
>> >> Well would have made it much harder.
>> >Impossibly one-sided without nuclear exchange. Putin knew that Ukraine would be lost if it joined NATO. So he invaded before they could join NATO.
>> >> >So he has to make a pre-emptive move, calls in special operations.
>> >> Putin, is an idiot and so much like the old USSR, I also believe he
>> >> like Biden might have dementia.
>> >Wrong. From his videos giving press conferences he appears highly intelligent, aware and capable. Does not read out from a screen, gives good replies.
>> >> >Zelensky is a US puppet, serving western interests.
>> >> Not really. Do you believe wanting to be independent of Russian
>> >> control to be only "western interests"? There is China if Putin
>> >> wants a good ass kicking.
>> >Zelensky was not under Russian control.
>> >He was and is under western control. '
>> >> >Those grabbing interests were foiled by Putin, so there is much squealing in the western media.
>> >> No, it is the murders and war crimes that is causing that.
>> >
>> >Who knows who did what crime.
>> I know, I know if it isn't from Russian State television it is fake
>> news all those videos are fake.
>Who knows. All I know is that the West is fighting a proxy war with Russia, to the last Ukrainian.

Tell me, is Putin telling the mothers of those kids killed that
they have died or is he afraid, too.

>> >All I know is that Biden wants Putin out, for that is what he said - as having a more pliant chap like Zelensky in Moscow would help the West in the never-ending grab that reached its height after the break-up of USSR. Which Putin fixed.
>> Putin is a freak.
>Well he could look that way to those wanting drunken swine in charge of Russia, the whole lot being corrupt to their cores.
>That I agree to.

>Actually I think I know Putin well, for in my childhood I grew up among would-be Putins. It was unique, no doubt. No other Indian boy had such an experience.
>That way, I am certainly freakish to the likes of you. Very different we are, certainly.

Yes, and the sooner Putin dies, the better for the free world. Are
you Sudras or Untouchable? I'm betting Sudras wants to be like Putin,
who if of India would be an Untouchable.

>> >
>> >> >The Russians call thieves Nazis. Nazis stole the amber panels from the winter palace, and that seemed to bother our Russian guide the most for they have not yet been recovered.
>> >> How will he take back say Poland? USSR failed and many found
>> >> freedom so much better than any form of communism or tyranny.
>> >
>> >Russians think Ukraine belongs to them.
>> It doesn't.
>
>Nor does Tibet to China that way, or Israel to European Jews.

You forgot the Palestinians to Israel.

>Might makes right, what?
>The American way, no?

Tell Putin he thought he had the might turns out he and his are
wimps.

>
>> >Poland was an enemy for centuries, and a reluctant part of Warsaw Pact. Again it is an enemy to Russia. Quite historic, their animosity. Sad. They should learn to be good friends, both are wonderful in their own ways.
>> Do you still believe that the Ukrainians would be waiting with open
>> arms for you and Putin? They kicked your army's ass.
>
>Yes, they were provided with neat weapons but they fought in the cities.

In part.
>
>Yes, you did
>> attack civilians, but how else can the cowardly Russian armed forces
>> act the Ukrainian armed forces, even with fewer arms kicked Russia's
>> ass big time.
>
>But Russia got what Russia wanted, and that is what matters.

To you maybe. It isn't over yet. USA is returning jobs to USA and
that will hurt China as they have shown they support Putin and his
ways, Support genocide buy "Made in China".
>
>> They even sunk some of your ships.
>
>True.

Hopefully, many more to come.
>
>> >It is US that is a tyrannical monster: full of lies, violence, greed, selfishness, meanness, lechery, pollution, jails, casinos, racism, bigotry etc.
>> >Its tyranny lies in inflicting its vile culture or lack of it upon unsuspecting outsiders.
>> >Russia is much more positive.
>> Almost choked on that bit of propaganda. What do you think of
>> Australia?
>
>More to the point, what do Australians think of US?

I trained with their military and they think well of the USA. The
government may be taking a glass-half-full approach. They dislike
China and China's support of Putin's genocide isn't helping there. The
Marxists never liked the USA and don't really matter.
>
>> >> >> >> >And within the party there is freedom of thought so long as that is not treacherous.
>> >> >> >> Treacherous is to disagree with Putin.
>> >> >> >No, so long as you are not treacherous as his opposition usually are, being the tools of the West.
>> >> >> Telling people there is a war and wanting peace is so very
>> >> >> treacherous and worthy of 15 years in jail to that freak Putin.
>> >> >It is a war for peace and security.
>> >> >Not wanting NATO nukes pointed at your belly is an idea supported by most Russians.
>> >> >> >> >A fine system, far better than US.
>> >> >> >> No.
>> >> >> >Yes, to thirdworlders.
>> >> >> Third-world countries like Russia.
>> >> >
>> >> >Correct, first time! Congratulations.
>> >> >
>> >> >> Fuck Russia, it is a backward
>> >> >> sewer, well, those that support Putin are shit. Wait, not a sewer
>> >> >> that is too advanced, just an outhouse.
>> >> >
>> >> >Russia gives; US takes!
>> >> How did the US "take" and what?
>> >
>> >From India US took the top talent for generations, now. Used them for economic gain.
>> Took them? Maybe they paid then and treated them better. Doubt
>> they were abducted. Maybe if India wasn't such a shit hole country
>> they would have stayed.
>
>Of course they took them with bribes. India suffers accordingly.

Well, do you believe they should have been forced to stay as Putin
would have done to his people?

>Singapore and China did not have this loss, so they prosper much better.

China is communist, so the people may not have had choices.
Singapore prospers because they have a high-tech industrial base and a
good military. They are also smart in walking the fine line between
Beijing and the US. Getting the best from both relationships.

>
>> >From Ukraine it took away peace and whatever wits they had by placing a puppet in charge.
>
>> That was a elected leader. Well liked by the majority of the
>> people. How long has it been since Russia had a free and open
>> elections?
>
>Then if not a puppet - which he is - he is certainly the stupidest leader of our time, to have wrecked his country by believing in US promises.

Then you believe he should have just surrendered to all Putin's
demands? Became a puppet state for Putin, and gave up what the EU
could give culturally?