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 by: Mattb - Sat, 16 Apr 2022 17:15 UTC

On Sat, 16 Apr 2022 08:19:03 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Fri, 15 Apr 2022 10:40:34 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>SNIP
>
>> The USA does about 150 billion a year with India and Russia does
>>about 3 to 8 billion. I'm sure there are countries that would spit on
>>India rather than lose US business. I'm sure there are many in India
>>that would spit on you for even suggesting it.
>>
>> Though I do believe the US companies should start looking for
>>alternatives to India with there support of Putin and genocide.
>>
>India along with Europe don't want to lose Russian cheap energy.

Don't think it cost differently that the Middle East.

>Yes the US blocking trade with those continuing to trade with Russia
>is a threat to them.
>Biden and his totalitarian democrats are a far worse threat to the USa

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 by: Mattb - Sat, 16 Apr 2022 17:22 UTC

On Sat, 16 Apr 2022 02:31:17 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
<banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Saturday, 16 April 2022 at 03:40:38 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
>> On Thu, 14 Apr 2022 17:30:37 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Friday, 15 April 2022 at 02:39:44 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
>> >> On Wed, 13 Apr 2022 19:02:37 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >On Thursday, 14 April 2022 at 02:45:26 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
>> >> >> On Wed, 13 Apr 2022 01:53:14 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>> >> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >A fine system, far better than US.
>> >> >> >> No.
>> >> >> >Yes. I would much rather stay in Russia than US.
>> >> >> >> >He is a Czar and Russia has different ways.
>> >> >> >> Putin is a useless freak.
>> >> >> >To US, he is much worse than that! He puts the spanner in their grabby works.
>> >> >> >But he is useful to the Washington Swamp Monsters and the Deep State Devils.
>> >> >> >They are bursting out of their skins with joy, with the money from Putin's war. Stocks are booming in the war markets, if Arnab Goswami is correct.
>> >> >> >> >It works for most Russians and they like it this way.
>> >> >> >> Then why not have open elections.
>> >> >> >They have and they love Putin as Gorbachov says.
>> >> >> >> >All nations have their ways.
>> >> >> >> True.
>> >> >> >> >They need not follow other ways.
>> >> >> >> >USA gets along fine with Saudi, China etc. where ways are also brutal.
>> >> >> >> Yes, Russia wants to use its inhumane ways on other countries. Why
>> >> >> >> should not other countries treat Russia in a similar manner?
>> >> >> >They can try.
>> >> >> >Russia treats thirdworld countries very well, unlike the US.
>> >> >> >So Russia is their favourite.
>> >> >> >> >> >Did Lincoln have a 80% approval rate in the North when he started the civil war?
>> >> >> >> >> >Napoleon had a high approval rate. So did Hitler before WW2.
>> >> >> >> >> >Don't know what will happen. Putin is taking strict security measures, so any assassin sent by your gods gotta be really good at his job. At least as good as Jason Bourne, etc. Will life follow "art"?
>> >> >> >> >> What gods? Putin is a freak.
>> >> >> >> >I meant devils.
>> >> >> >> >Putin is wonderful, does his job, saves us from WW3.
>> >> >> >> No, NATO is a defensive alliance. No threat to Putin unless he
>> >> >> >> wants to conquer.
>> >> >> >What rubbish. NATO has levelled Iraq and Libya.
>> >> >> WHY? Should have known as a Putin supporter you would also
>> >> >> support terrorist.
>> >>
>> >> >No greater terrorist than NATO, US etc. so far as numbers of innocent victims go.
>> >> >I do not support war.
>> >> Your words suggest you only support a tyrant.
>> >I support good rulers.
>> >> >Which means, a war to prevent far greater wars is like taking an inoculation to prevent death from some infection.
>> >> >Putin says he had no choice. He is fully supported by Russians.
>> >> How do you know have you asked and are they allowed to see doe
>> >> themselves since Russia banned non-government controlled news and
>> >> limited Internet..
>> >Putin merely represents the Russian military, the government and the parliament.
>> >He has been elected by popular vote.
>> >In times of war control is done over news and media. Everywhere.
>> No that is bullshit. Not like what the freak Putin is doing.
>> >> >> >They wanted to hit Russia from below but that plan has been foiled by Putin.
>> >> >> Liar.
>> >> >Not at all, I am only repeating what Indian journalists say, quoting Putin.
>> >> Yes, I want the US to cut business ties with India. We have way
>> >> too much going on there.
>> >I would love for all the world to cut all ties with US, leave it strictly alone as a pariah state.
>> The USA does about 150 billion a year with India and Russia does
>> about 3 to 8 billion.
>
>Quite like an USAn to harp about money as if that only mattered!

It matters to some and those in need of work.

>For that is all it knows.
>Talking of money, how much did it take to remove and then reinstall the Taliban?

Don't know that is a different subject.

>Some talk of trillions!
>What was the budget of the Taliban? The VietCong?
>How much do you lot spend on education?
>What is the result?

This has to do with Ukraine how?
>
>> I'm sure there are countries that would spit on
>> India rather than lose US business.
>
>Not countries - corrupt, weak individuals running things like business, governments, media, etc.

So non-communist?
>
>> I'm sure there are many in India
>> that would spit on you for even suggesting it.
>
>Please do not think Indians to be as rude as you naturally are, as an American.

Some are like the gang rapist and the government officials who for
so long allowed that.

>India is a real democracy, unlike the US, a corrupt oligarchy.

Sure it is.

>And what with our timeless civilisation and supreme culture - most polite, especially to strangers.
>In India people take opinions widely different from their own, gracefully.
>Tolerance works like that.

Tell that to those of the lower Caste systems.

>So we do not spit at each other.

Not even on what you call Untouchables?

>Which is why we have such brilliant diversity in India. Chaotic, but mutually supportive.
>We do not wear baseball caps, eat hot dogs, and claim loudly that we are the best!
>For the life of the genuine Indian is based upon morality.
>Satyam Shivan Sundaram - Truth Goodness Beauty - strictly in descending order of importance.

Parts were nice, parts were shit, and smelled of such. But I
believe most would not agree with you on ditching all relationships
with the USA.

>
>> Though I do believe the US companies should start looking for
>> alternatives to India with there support of Putin and genocide.
>
>Good, good. All US influences should be eliminated from India, to begin with. Up BRIICS and the Commonwealth! All work hard and cleverly!
>Quadrillions in gold will result to India, and the world; and later to a better US - if that can be; with the dismissal of the present stinking US billions.

Go for it and push for that "In India".
>
>Cheers,
>Arindam Banerjee

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 by: Mattb - Sat, 16 Apr 2022 17:31 UTC

On Sat, 16 Apr 2022 08:34:41 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Fri, 15 Apr 2022 10:41:35 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 14 Apr 2022 22:48:25 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>><banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>> >> The world say the killings of civilians done by the scum of Putin's
>>>> >> army.
>>>> >What crocodile tears from those who caused the whole horror!
>>>> Besides quoting Putin what evidence do you have?
>>>
>>>Go to the OP and click on the link of what Prof John Mersheimer has to say. USA is to blame.
>>
>>Sorry one article isn't evidence. Putin wants the old USSR backs and
>>that can't happen.
>>
>Not saying Putin in northing but a tyranical arsehole.

I do, and if he takes his shirt off for pictures again please get
the man a bra.

>As Rod Speed has pointed out Ukraine was never about joining NATO.

No, they were IMO. It was about them wanting to be more like the EU
and having freedoms Russians don't have.

>They were trying to become part of the "European Union" only.
>Russia did not want this,

True.

>The EU offered $828 million for aid to help them do so.
>Russia then offered Ukraine a $15 billion loan and to cut Russian
>natural gas prices by almost a third. Yanukovych canceled negotiations
>with the EU and accepted Putin’s offer.
>
>Then Obama/Biden had the elected Ukraine leader removed!
>https://youtu.be/WV9J6sxCs5k
>US Intervention
>A leaked phone call, believed to have taken place on January 28, 2014,
>between then US Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland and US
>Ambassador to Ukraine Geoffrey Pyatt revealed that Obama-admin
>officials were involved in a scheme to oust Ukrainian President
>Yanukovych and replace his administration with Western allies.

Obama is an idiot, as is Trump, and Biden. If Biden had armed
Ukraine before the invasion. Then, if the USA had armed them after
Russia took Crimea, it might have helped. Look what they have done
with limited aid.

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 by: Rod Speed - Sat, 16 Apr 2022 19:15 UTC

Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote
> Mattb wrote
>> Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
>>
>> >
>> >> >> The world say the killings of civilians done by the scum of
>> Putin's
>> >> >> army.
>> >> >What crocodile tears from those who caused the whole horror!
>> >> Besides quoting Putin what evidence do you have?
>> >
>> >Go to the OP and click on the link of what Prof John Mersheimer has to
>> say. USA is to blame.
>> Sorry one article isn't evidence. Putin wants the old USSR backs and
>> that can't happen.

> It presents a correct view, going by my experiences.

You have no relevant experience, just mindless rabid anti US bigotry.

And are actually stupid enough to believe that the moon landing never
happened.

> Which is why it impressed me. Prof. Mersheimer does not look like a
> Russian propagandist; nor even a Russian.

But is still a fool as far as what caused the invasion is concerned.

> Fact and logic, as presented by the prof,

There is none of that from that fool.

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 by: Rod Speed - Sat, 16 Apr 2022 19:20 UTC

Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote
> petzl wrote
>> Mattb <trdel...@gmail.com> wrote

>> > The USA does about 150 billion a year with India and Russia does
>> >about 3 to 8 billion. I'm sure there are countries that would spit on
>> >India rather than lose US business. I'm sure there are many in India
>> >that would spit on you for even suggesting it.
>> >
>> > Though I do believe the US companies should start looking for
>> >alternatives to India with there support of Putin and genocide.
>> >
>> India along with Europe don't want to lose Russian cheap energy.
>> Yes the US blocking trade with those continuing to trade with Russia
>> is a threat to them.

> In 1973 in St. Xavier's College, Calcutta,

Something you stupid hindus never managed to setup in thousands of years.

> I attended a debate which had the motion:
> "The world would have been a better place if Colombus had not discovered
> America".

And are actually stupid enough to think that has any relevance
what so ever to Putin invading the Ukraine.

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 by: Rod Speed - Sat, 16 Apr 2022 19:21 UTC

Some drug crazed drunken curry muncher claiming to be
Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> spewed
reams of stinking curry muncher shit, all flushed where it belongs.

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 by: Rod Speed - Sat, 16 Apr 2022 19:22 UTC

Some drug crazed drunken curry muncher claiming to be
Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> spewed
reams of stinking curry muncher shit, all flushed where it belongs.

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 by: Rod Speed - Sat, 16 Apr 2022 19:24 UTC

Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote

>>> The USA does about 150 billion a year with India and Russia does
>>> about 3 to 8 billion. I'm sure there are countries that would spit on
>>> India rather than lose US business. I'm sure there are many in India
>>> that would spit on you for even suggesting it.
>>>
>>> Though I do believe the US companies should start looking for
>>> alternatives to India with there support of Putin and genocide.
>>>
>> India along with Europe don't want to lose Russian cheap energy.
>
> Don't think it cost differently that the Middle East.

You'd be wrong with natural gas out of the pipelines.

>> Yes the US blocking trade with those continuing to trade with Russia
>> is a threat to them.
>> Biden and his totalitarian democrats are a far worse threat to the USa

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 by: Rod Speed - Sat, 16 Apr 2022 20:47 UTC

dolf <dolfboek@hotmail.com> wrote

> Given India’s anti same sex marriage agenda one has to ask the reasonable
> question as to whether Indian immigrants are fit and proper persons to be
> participants of this country by giving compliance to their oath of
> citizenship …

But a particular Indian may not agree with India's anti same sex marriage
agenda.

And even if they do, that doesn't conflict with their oath of citizenship.

> By the way Banerjee exhibits concerning mental health issues.

Yep, particularly with his stupidity of not believing that the moon
landing happened.

And also with his flagrant narcissism, believing the sun shines out of his
arse.

> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com>

>>> It presents a correct view, going by my experiences.

>> You have no relevant experience, just mindless rabid anti US bigotry.

>> And are actually stupid enough to believe that the moon landing never
>> happened.

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 by: Mattb - Sat, 16 Apr 2022 21:35 UTC

On Sun, 17 Apr 2022 05:24:38 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>
>>>> The USA does about 150 billion a year with India and Russia does
>>>> about 3 to 8 billion. I'm sure there are countries that would spit on
>>>> India rather than lose US business. I'm sure there are many in India
>>>> that would spit on you for even suggesting it.
>>>>
>>>> Though I do believe the US companies should start looking for
>>>> alternatives to India with there support of Putin and genocide.
>>>>
>>> India along with Europe don't want to lose Russian cheap energy.
>>
>> Don't think it cost differently that the Middle East.
>
>You'd be wrong with natural gas out of the pipelines.

That could be I was thinking of oil.
>
>>> Yes the US blocking trade with those continuing to trade with Russia
>>> is a threat to them.
>>> Biden and his totalitarian democrats are a far worse threat to the USa

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 by: Petzl - Sat, 16 Apr 2022 22:35 UTC

On Sat, 16 Apr 2022 10:15:39 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Sat, 16 Apr 2022 08:19:03 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 15 Apr 2022 10:40:34 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>SNIP
>>
>>> The USA does about 150 billion a year with India and Russia does
>>>about 3 to 8 billion. I'm sure there are countries that would spit on
>>>India rather than lose US business. I'm sure there are many in India
>>>that would spit on you for even suggesting it.
>>>
>>> Though I do believe the US companies should start looking for
>>>alternatives to India with there support of Putin and genocide.
>>>
>>India along with Europe don't want to lose Russian cheap energy.
>
> Don't think it cost differently that the Middle East.
>
No it is cheaper, Russia has lost a lot of trade because of it
invading Ukraine!
Financial currencies are blocked, Russia is desperate for cash
Now Russia is saying WWIII is on!
<https://www.newsmax.com/world/globaltalk/russia-ukraine-war-soldiers/2022/04/16/id/1065971/>
https://tinyurl.com/y2o7btzj
Russian state television declared Friday night that its conflict in
Ukraine can now "safely be called World War III."
"What it's escalated into can safely be called World War III – that's
entirely for sure," Russia 1 television host Olga Skabeyeva said,
according to a translation of Friday night’s broadcast by Britain's
Metro News. "Now we're definitely fighting against NATO
infrastructure, if not NATO itself. We need to recognize that."
>
>>Yes the US blocking trade with those continuing to trade with Russia
>>is a threat to them.
>>Biden and his totalitarian democrats are a far worse threat to the USa
--
Petzl
The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other
people's money. #Sir Ronald Millar

All governments lie about some things, but Ordogs totalitarian
governments lie about everything.

On March fourteenth, in the year of our Lord. Eighteen eighty three
Karl Marx made his most important contribution to mankind...
He died

There is no difference between communism and socialism,
except in the means of achieving the same ultimate end:
communism proposes to enslave men by force,
socialism - by vote.
It is merely the difference between murder and suicide
#Margaret Thatcher

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 by: Petzl - Sat, 16 Apr 2022 22:50 UTC

On Sat, 16 Apr 2022 14:35:22 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Sun, 17 Apr 2022 05:24:38 +1000, "Rod Speed"
><rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>>
>>>>> The USA does about 150 billion a year with India and Russia does
>>>>> about 3 to 8 billion. I'm sure there are countries that would spit on
>>>>> India rather than lose US business. I'm sure there are many in India
>>>>> that would spit on you for even suggesting it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Though I do believe the US companies should start looking for
>>>>> alternatives to India with there support of Putin and genocide.
>>>>>
>>>> India along with Europe don't want to lose Russian cheap energy.
>>>
>>> Don't think it cost differently that the Middle East.
>>
>>You'd be wrong with natural gas out of the pipelines.
>
> That could be I was thinking of oil.
>
Also Russia's main oil export is high in sulfur content (sour)!
Very bad polluter.
That said they do produce some best quality oil but a reluctance for
importers to buy it so it is being sold at discounts.
New York lies source
<https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/01/business/energy-environment/russia-oil-price.html>
https://tinyurl.com/y7aeashw
Russian Oil Not Worth the Trouble, Some Traders Conclude
European buyers, shippers, banks and insurers have grown leery of
doing business with Russia in recent days, even at deep discounts.
>>
>>>> Yes the US blocking trade with those continuing to trade with Russia
>>>> is a threat to them.
>>>> Biden and his totalitarian democrats are a far worse threat to the USa
--
Petzl
Socialism is a philosophy of failure,
the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy,
Its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.

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 by: Rod Speed - Sat, 16 Apr 2022 23:17 UTC

Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote

> Financial currencies are blocked, Russia is desperate for cash
> Now Russia is saying WWIII is on!
> <https://www.newsmax.com/world/globaltalk/russia-ukraine-war-soldiers/2022/04/16/id/1065971/>
> https://tinyurl.com/y2o7btzj
> Russian state television declared Friday night that its conflict in
> Ukraine can now "safely be called World War III."
> "What it's escalated into can safely be called World War III – that's
> entirely for sure," Russia 1 television host Olga Skabeyeva said,
> according to a translation of Friday night’s broadcast by Britain's
> Metro News. "Now we're definitely fighting against NATO
> infrastructure, if not NATO itself. We need to recognize that."

Just more mindless journo shit.

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 by: Petzl - Sat, 16 Apr 2022 23:19 UTC

On Sat, 16 Apr 2022 10:31:43 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
wrote:

>>>Sorry one article isn't evidence. Putin wants the old USSR backs and
>>>that can't happen.
>>>
>>Not saying Putin in northing but a tyranical arsehole.
>
> I do, and if he takes his shirt off for pictures again please get
>the man a bra.
>
Even with the photo-shop his steroid induced tits cannot be completly
hidden
>
>>As Rod Speed has pointed out Ukraine was never about joining NATO.
>
> No, they were IMO. It was about them wanting to be more like the EU
>and having freedoms Russians don't have.
>
The EU membership offered Ukrainians the opportunity to work outside
the Ukraine. Very popular with Ukrainians who had violent protests
when President accpeted the Russian counter offer.
The Obama/Biden government had their elected President Yanukovych
ousted.
>
>>They were trying to become part of the "European Union" only.
>>Russia did not want this,
>
> True.
>
>>The EU offered $828 million for aid to help them do so.
>>Russia then offered Ukraine a $15 billion loan and to cut Russian
>>natural gas prices by almost a third. Yanukovych canceled negotiations
>>with the EU and accepted Putin’s offer.
>>
>>Then Obama/Biden had the elected Ukraine leader removed!
>>https://youtu.be/WV9J6sxCs5k
>>US Intervention
>>A leaked phone call, believed to have taken place on January 28, 2014,
>>between then US Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland and US
>>Ambassador to Ukraine Geoffrey Pyatt revealed that Obama-admin
>>officials were involved in a scheme to oust Ukrainian President
>>Yanukovych and replace his administration with Western allies.
>
> Obama is an idiot, as is Trump, and Biden. If Biden had armed
>Ukraine before the invasion. Then, if the USA had armed them after
>Russia took Crimea, it might have helped. Look what they have done
>with limited aid.
>
Only the fakenews paints Trump as a idiot and their proparganda has
influenced the thinking of many.
Not reporting and still not reporting the fake election that put Trump
in and made it illegal for telling the truth,
Right now Elon Musk's bid for 100% of twitter has the fakenews and
democrat's in a spin, can't have a single person control a large
Social media, yet have the worst criminal in US

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 by: Petzl - Sat, 16 Apr 2022 23:34 UTC

On Sat, 16 Apr 2022 10:31:43 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
wrote:
oop's pushed send by mistake

>>>Sorry one article isn't evidence. Putin wants the old USSR backs and
>>>that can't happen.
>>>
>>Not saying Putin in northing but a tyranical arsehole.
>
> I do, and if he takes his shirt off for pictures again please get
>the man a bra.
>
Even with the photo-shop his steroid induced tits cannot be completly
hidden
>
>>As Rod Speed has pointed out Ukraine was never about joining NATO.
>
> No, they were IMO. It was about them wanting to be more like the EU
>and having freedoms Russians don't have.
>
The EU membership offered Ukrainians the opportunity to work outside
the Ukraine. Very popular with Ukrainians who had violent protests
when President accepted the Russian counter offer.
The Obama/Biden government had their elected President Yanukovych
ousted.
>
>>They were trying to become part of the "European Union" only.
>>Russia did not want this,
>
> True.
>
>>The EU offered $828 million for aid to help them do so.
>>Russia then offered Ukraine a $15 billion loan and to cut Russian
>>natural gas prices by almost a third. Yanukovych canceled negotiations
>>with the EU and accepted Putin’s offer.
>>
>>Then Obama/Biden had the elected Ukraine leader removed!
>>https://youtu.be/WV9J6sxCs5k
>>US Intervention
>>A leaked phone call, believed to have taken place on January 28, 2014,
>>between then US Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland and US
>>Ambassador to Ukraine Geoffrey Pyatt revealed that Obama-admin
>>officials were involved in a scheme to oust Ukrainian President
>>Yanukovych and replace his administration with Western allies.
>
> Obama is an idiot, as is Trump, and Biden. If Biden had armed
>Ukraine before the invasion. Then, if the USA had armed them after
>Russia took Crimea, it might have helped. Look what they have done
>with limited aid.
>
Only the fakenews paints Trump as a idiot and their propaganda has
influenced the thinking of many.
Not reporting and still not reporting the fake election that put Trump
in and made it illegal for media telling the truth,
<https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10090603/Mark-Zuckerberg-funneled-419-5MILLION-nonprofits-fund-administration-2020-election.html>
https://tinyurl.com/y687v5un

Right now Elon Musk's bid for 100% of twitter has the fakenews and
democrat's in a spin, can't have a single person control a large
Social media, yet have the worst treacherous criminal in US Mark
Zuckerberg a illegal democrat financier control facebook
https://youtu.be/CBrFsNcskAY
Tucker: Elon Musk is putting everything on the line

Would not be taking sides with Ukraine under Biden is my opinion
Arindam Banerjee is ranting incoherently and siding with Putin.
Putin is and has always been a tyrannical murderous Stasi arsehole!
--
Petzl
LOVE HIM OR HATE HIM
Donald Trump has shown the entire nation irrefutably,
explicitly & beyond any shadow of a doubt
that U.S. government & their media propagandists are
corrupt to the core

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 by: Petzl - Sat, 16 Apr 2022 23:36 UTC

On Sun, 17 Apr 2022 09:17:59 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>
>> Financial currencies are blocked, Russia is desperate for cash
>> Now Russia is saying WWIII is on!
>> <https://www.newsmax.com/world/globaltalk/russia-ukraine-war-soldiers/2022/04/16/id/1065971/>
>> https://tinyurl.com/y2o7btzj
>> Russian state television declared Friday night that its conflict in
>> Ukraine can now "safely be called World War III."
>> "What it's escalated into can safely be called World War III – that's
>> entirely for sure," Russia 1 television host Olga Skabeyeva said,
>> according to a translation of Friday night’s broadcast by Britain's
>> Metro News. "Now we're definitely fighting against NATO
>> infrastructure, if not NATO itself. We need to recognize that."
>
>Just more mindless journo shit.
>
Russian Propagabda just like Democrat's
Suits Putin's ego though.
--
Petzl
LOVE HIM OR HATE HIM
Donald Trump has shown the entire nation irrefutably,
explicitly & beyond any shadow of a doubt
that U.S. government & their media propagandists are
corrupt to the core

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 by: Rod Speed - Sun, 17 Apr 2022 00:08 UTC

Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Sorry one article isn't evidence. Putin wants the old USSR backs and
>>>> that can't happen.
>>>>
>>> Not saying Putin in northing but a tyranical arsehole.
>>
>> I do, and if he takes his shirt off for pictures again please get
>> the man a bra.
>>
> Even with the photo-shop his steroid induced tits cannot be completly
> hidden
>>
>>> As Rod Speed has pointed out Ukraine was never about joining NATO.
>>
>> No, they were IMO. It was about them wanting to be more like the EU
>> and having freedoms Russians don't have.

> The EU membership offered Ukrainians the opportunity to work outside
> the Ukraine. Very popular with Ukrainians who had violent protests
> when President accpeted the Russian counter offer.

> The Obama/Biden government had their elected President Yanukovych
> ousted.

Nope.

>>> They were trying to become part of the "European Union" only.
>>> Russia did not want this,
>>
>> True.
>>
>>> The EU offered $828 million for aid to help them do so.
>>> Russia then offered Ukraine a $15 billion loan and to cut Russian
>>> natural gas prices by almost a third. Yanukovych canceled negotiations
>>> with the EU and accepted Putin’s offer.
>>>
>>> Then Obama/Biden had the elected Ukraine leader removed!
>>> https://youtu.be/WV9J6sxCs5k
>>> US Intervention
>>> A leaked phone call, believed to have taken place on January 28, 2014,
>>> between then US Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland and US
>>> Ambassador to Ukraine Geoffrey Pyatt revealed that Obama-admin
>>> officials were involved in a scheme to oust Ukrainian President
>>> Yanukovych and replace his administration with Western allies.
>>
>> Obama is an idiot, as is Trump, and Biden. If Biden had armed
>> Ukraine before the invasion. Then, if the USA had armed them after
>> Russia took Crimea, it might have helped. Look what they have done
>> with limited aid.

> Only the fakenews paints Trump as a idiot

Nope, everything he did proves he is an idiot except Syria.

> and their proparganda has
> influenced the thinking of many.

> Not reporting and still not reporting the fake election that put Trump
> in and made it illegal for telling the truth,

More bullshit.

> Right now Elon Musk's bid for 100% of twitter has the fakenews and
> democrat's in a spin, can't have a single person control a large
> Social media,

Pity about facebook.

> yet have the worst criminal in US

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 by: Mattb - Sun, 17 Apr 2022 00:22 UTC

On Sun, 17 Apr 2022 08:35:54 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sat, 16 Apr 2022 10:15:39 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 16 Apr 2022 08:19:03 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 15 Apr 2022 10:40:34 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>SNIP
>>>
>>>> The USA does about 150 billion a year with India and Russia does
>>>>about 3 to 8 billion. I'm sure there are countries that would spit on
>>>>India rather than lose US business. I'm sure there are many in India
>>>>that would spit on you for even suggesting it.
>>>>
>>>> Though I do believe the US companies should start looking for
>>>>alternatives to India with there support of Putin and genocide.
>>>>
>>>India along with Europe don't want to lose Russian cheap energy.
>>
>> Don't think it cost differently that the Middle East.
>>
>No it is cheaper, Russia has lost a lot of trade because of it
>invading Ukraine!
>Financial currencies are blocked, Russia is desperate for cash
>Now Russia is saying WWIII is on!
><https://www.newsmax.com/world/globaltalk/russia-ukraine-war-soldiers/2022/04/16/id/1065971/>
> https://tinyurl.com/y2o7btzj
>Russian state television declared Friday night that its conflict in
>Ukraine can now "safely be called World War III."
>"What it's escalated into can safely be called World War III – that's
>entirely for sure," Russia 1 television host Olga Skabeyeva said,
>according to a translation of Friday night’s broadcast by Britain's
>Metro News. "Now we're definitely fighting against NATO
>infrastructure, if not NATO itself. We need to recognize that."

Hope he doesn't think Biden would not respond in kind if he uses
Nukes.
>>
>>>Yes the US blocking trade with those continuing to trade with Russia
>>>is a threat to them.
>>>Biden and his totalitarian democrats are a far worse threat to the USa

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 by: Mattb - Sun, 17 Apr 2022 00:26 UTC

On Sun, 17 Apr 2022 09:19:56 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sat, 16 Apr 2022 10:31:43 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>>>Sorry one article isn't evidence. Putin wants the old USSR backs and
>>>>that can't happen.
>>>>
>>>Not saying Putin in northing but a tyranical arsehole.
>>
>> I do, and if he takes his shirt off for pictures again please get
>>the man a bra.
>>
>Even with the photo-shop his steroid induced tits cannot be completly
>hidden

He looks disgusting
>>
>>>As Rod Speed has pointed out Ukraine was never about joining NATO.
>>
>> No, they were IMO. It was about them wanting to be more like the EU
>>and having freedoms Russians don't have.
>>
>The EU membership offered Ukrainians the opportunity to work outside
>the Ukraine. Very popular with Ukrainians who had violent protests
>when President accpeted the Russian counter offer.
>The Obama/Biden government had their elected President Yanukovych
>ousted.

Can you prove that?
>>
>>>They were trying to become part of the "European Union" only.
>>>Russia did not want this,
>>
>> True.
>>
>>>The EU offered $828 million for aid to help them do so.
>>>Russia then offered Ukraine a $15 billion loan and to cut Russian
>>>natural gas prices by almost a third. Yanukovych canceled negotiations
>>>with the EU and accepted Putin’s offer.
>>>
>>>Then Obama/Biden had the elected Ukraine leader removed!
>>>https://youtu.be/WV9J6sxCs5k
>>>US Intervention
>>>A leaked phone call, believed to have taken place on January 28, 2014,
>>>between then US Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland and US
>>>Ambassador to Ukraine Geoffrey Pyatt revealed that Obama-admin
>>>officials were involved in a scheme to oust Ukrainian President
>>>Yanukovych and replace his administration with Western allies.
>>
>> Obama is an idiot, as is Trump, and Biden. If Biden had armed
>>Ukraine before the invasion. Then, if the USA had armed them after
>>Russia took Crimea, it might have helped. Look what they have done
>>with limited aid.
>>
>Only the fakenews paints Trump as a idiot and their proparganda has
>influenced the thinking of many.

Sorry his twitter account showed him to be an idiot.

>Not reporting and still not reporting the fake election that put Trump
>in and made it illegal for telling the truth,
>Right now Elon Musk's bid for 100% of twitter has the fakenews and
>democrat's in a spin, can't have a single person control a large
>Social media, yet have the worst criminal in US

Yes, theh far left does seem to be having a fit. Hope he does it
and makes twitter free again. I don't want to see it just go from
leftist to the right.

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 by: Petzl - Sun, 17 Apr 2022 00:34 UTC

On Sat, 16 Apr 2022 17:22:50 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Sun, 17 Apr 2022 08:35:54 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 16 Apr 2022 10:15:39 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 16 Apr 2022 08:19:03 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Fri, 15 Apr 2022 10:40:34 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>SNIP
>>>>
>>>>> The USA does about 150 billion a year with India and Russia does
>>>>>about 3 to 8 billion. I'm sure there are countries that would spit on
>>>>>India rather than lose US business. I'm sure there are many in India
>>>>>that would spit on you for even suggesting it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Though I do believe the US companies should start looking for
>>>>>alternatives to India with there support of Putin and genocide.
>>>>>
>>>>India along with Europe don't want to lose Russian cheap energy.
>>>
>>> Don't think it cost differently that the Middle East.
>>>
>>No it is cheaper, Russia has lost a lot of trade because of it
>>invading Ukraine!
>>Financial currencies are blocked, Russia is desperate for cash
>>Now Russia is saying WWIII is on!
>><https://www.newsmax.com/world/globaltalk/russia-ukraine-war-soldiers/2022/04/16/id/1065971/>
>> https://tinyurl.com/y2o7btzj
>>Russian state television declared Friday night that its conflict in
>>Ukraine can now "safely be called World War III."
>>"What it's escalated into can safely be called World War III – that's
>>entirely for sure," Russia 1 television host Olga Skabeyeva said,
>>according to a translation of Friday night’s broadcast by Britain's
>>Metro News. "Now we're definitely fighting against NATO
>>infrastructure, if not NATO itself. We need to recognize that."
>
> Hope he doesn't think Biden would not respond in kind if he uses
>Nukes.
>
Putin believes his shit!
Russia nor the world will survive
M.A.D
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_Underground_Command_Center>
Biden's shitting himself in a corner there NOW!
>>>
>>>>Yes the US blocking trade with those continuing to trade with Russia
>>>>is a threat to them.
>>>>Biden and his totalitarian democrats are a far worse threat to the USa
--
Petzl
What is the harm of for the Democrats validating the voting system.
Is it because the Democrats have something to hide?

Amazing to think that Lyndon Johnson perfected the
'sit-wait-see how many we need to win-then dump our
stuffed ballots at the last moment' electoral technique
in post-war Texas, and nothing has changed in US elections
in the 7 decades since.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_United_States_Senate_election_in_Texas#Legal_battle>
The Left is fine with Vaccine Cards
but NOT voter IDs. Paying attention yet?

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 by: Rod Speed - Sun, 17 Apr 2022 01:05 UTC

On Sun, 17 Apr 2022 10:34:15 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sat, 16 Apr 2022 17:22:50 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 17 Apr 2022 08:35:54 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 16 Apr 2022 10:15:39 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 16 Apr 2022 08:19:03 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 15 Apr 2022 10:40:34 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> SNIP
>>>>>
>>>>>> The USA does about 150 billion a year with India and Russia does
>>>>>> about 3 to 8 billion. I'm sure there are countries that would spit
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> India rather than lose US business. I'm sure there are many in
>>>>>> India
>>>>>> that would spit on you for even suggesting it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Though I do believe the US companies should start looking for
>>>>>> alternatives to India with there support of Putin and genocide.
>>>>>>
>>>>> India along with Europe don't want to lose Russian cheap energy.
>>>>
>>>> Don't think it cost differently that the Middle East.
>>>>
>>> No it is cheaper, Russia has lost a lot of trade because of it
>>> invading Ukraine!
>>> Financial currencies are blocked, Russia is desperate for cash
>>> Now Russia is saying WWIII is on!
>>> <https://www.newsmax.com/world/globaltalk/russia-ukraine-war-soldiers/2022/04/16/id/1065971/>
>>> https://tinyurl.com/y2o7btzj
>>> Russian state television declared Friday night that its conflict in
>>> Ukraine can now "safely be called World War III."
>>> "What it's escalated into can safely be called World War III – that's
>>> entirely for sure," Russia 1 television host Olga Skabeyeva said,
>>> according to a translation of Friday night’s broadcast by Britain's
>>> Metro News. "Now we're definitely fighting against NATO
>>> infrastructure, if not NATO itself. We need to recognize that."
>>
>> Hope he doesn't think Biden would not respond in kind if he uses
>> Nukes.

> Putin believes his shit!

That remains to be seen, more likely its just bluff.

> Russia nor the world will survive

That's wrong. Lots of russia is so sparsely populated
and no point in nuking that it would survive fine.

Same with lots of the rest of the world too.

> M.A.D
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_Underground_Command_Center>
> Biden's shitting himself in a corner there NOW!

Don't buy that either.

>>>>> Yes the US blocking trade with those continuing to trade with Russia
>>>>> is a threat to them.
>>>>> Biden and his totalitarian democrats are a far worse threat to the
>>>>> USa

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 by: Petzl - Sun, 17 Apr 2022 01:13 UTC

On Sat, 16 Apr 2022 17:26:29 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Sun, 17 Apr 2022 09:19:56 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 16 Apr 2022 10:31:43 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>>>Sorry one article isn't evidence. Putin wants the old USSR backs and
>>>>>that can't happen.
>>>>>
>>>>Not saying Putin in northing but a tyranical arsehole.
>>>
>>> I do, and if he takes his shirt off for pictures again please get
>>>the man a bra.
>>>
>>Even with the photo-shop his steroid induced tits cannot be completly
>>hidden
>
> He looks disgusting
>
He has always been disgusting, a typical stupid arrogant Russian.

A luckless Putin asks a lifeguard for some help with women.
The lifeguard suggests that he put a potato in his swim trunks.
However, Putin returns later and tells the lifeguard that women just
laughed at him when he did that.
“The potato goes in FRONT,” the lifeguard replies.

That is, the potato in the front of Putin's swimsuit was supposed to
improve his male sexual package, but instead, the potato in the back
told others that his swimsuit was full of shit.
>>>
>>>>As Rod Speed has pointed out Ukraine was never about joining NATO.
>>>
>>> No, they were IMO. It was about them wanting to be more like the EU
>>>and having freedoms Russians don't have.
>>>
>>The EU membership offered Ukrainians the opportunity to work outside
>>the Ukraine. Very popular with Ukrainians who had violent protests
>>when President accpeted the Russian counter offer.
>>The Obama/Biden government had their elected President Yanukovych
>>ousted.
>
> Can you prove that?

Well documented but not by your fakenews media
<https://richardsonpost.com/worm/26039/the-us-is-culpable-in-todays-ukraine-crisis/?fbclid=IwAR037nMRm1t7fyf9KMZd-J_uojCKFSJFF8-xr3Tg4k8gvRQOi3KwKTQrC8I>
https://tinyurl.com/y8gvpvxv
Many know this story, but I’d like to summarize it as succinctly as
possible, using only primary and establishment media sources in hopes
that this article may be persuasive and shareable to friends/family of
all politics.
The goal is not to distract from Ukrainian suffering but to inform US
citizens of how their leaders often engage in harmful foreign policy
so that we may refrain from electing such leaders in the future.
>>>
>>>>They were trying to become part of the "European Union" only.
>>>>Russia did not want this,
>>>
>>> True.
>>>
>>>>The EU offered $828 million for aid to help them do so.
>>>>Russia then offered Ukraine a $15 billion loan and to cut Russian
>>>>natural gas prices by almost a third. Yanukovych canceled negotiations
>>>>with the EU and accepted Putin’s offer.
>>>>
>>>>Then Obama/Biden had the elected Ukraine leader removed!
>>>>https://youtu.be/WV9J6sxCs5k
>>>>US Intervention
>>>>A leaked phone call, believed to have taken place on January 28, 2014,
>>>>between then US Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland and US
>>>>Ambassador to Ukraine Geoffrey Pyatt revealed that Obama-admin
>>>>officials were involved in a scheme to oust Ukrainian President
>>>>Yanukovych and replace his administration with Western allies.
>>>
>>> Obama is an idiot, as is Trump, and Biden. If Biden had armed
>>>Ukraine before the invasion. Then, if the USA had armed them after
>>>Russia took Crimea, it might have helped. Look what they have done
>>>with limited aid.
>>>
>>Only the fakenews paints Trump as a idiot and their proparganda has
>>influenced the thinking of many.
>
> Sorry his twitter account showed him to be an idiot.
>
Not if you actually read it
Ignore the fakenews account
>
>>Not reporting and still not reporting the fake election that put Trump
>>in and made it illegal for telling the truth,
>>Right now Elon Musk's bid for 100% of twitter has the fakenews and
>>democrat's in a spin, can't have a single person control a large
>>Social media, yet have the worst criminal in US
>
> Yes, theh far left does seem to be having a fit. Hope he does it
>and makes twitter free again. I don't want to see it just go from
>leftist to the right.
>
I follow Elon Musk a bit
He loves stirring the shit with and on "establishment"
Moved out of California to Texas much to do with democrat bullshit!
<https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-texas-headquarters-move-from-california-officiallly-complete-elon-musk-2021-12>

Don't see Musk as "right" but not "Left" either.
He owns 14% of twitter, the poison pill makes it probable he could
dump those shares, causing Twitter share price to drop to bugger all!

This will possibly force existing share holders to sack the Twitter
Board!
Or you think shareholders would take kindly to a board with zero
interest in shareholders?
Twitter Share price chart whatch it dive, dive, dive, Tuesday?
https://tinyurl.com/y65xxn48
--
Petzl
The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other
people's money. #Sir Ronald Millar

All governments lie about some things, but Ordogs totalitarian
governments lie about everything.

On March fourteenth, in the year of our Lord. Eighteen eighty three
Karl Marx made his most important contribution to mankind...
He died

There is no difference between communism and socialism,
except in the means of achieving the same ultimate end:
communism proposes to enslave men by force,
socialism - by vote.
It is merely the difference between murder and suicide
#Margaret Thatcher

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 by: Petzl - Sun, 17 Apr 2022 01:19 UTC

On Sun, 17 Apr 2022 11:05:56 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sun, 17 Apr 2022 10:34:15 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 16 Apr 2022 17:22:50 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 17 Apr 2022 08:35:54 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 16 Apr 2022 10:15:39 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 16 Apr 2022 08:19:03 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, 15 Apr 2022 10:40:34 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> SNIP
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The USA does about 150 billion a year with India and Russia does
>>>>>>> about 3 to 8 billion. I'm sure there are countries that would spit
>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>> India rather than lose US business. I'm sure there are many in
>>>>>>> India
>>>>>>> that would spit on you for even suggesting it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Though I do believe the US companies should start looking for
>>>>>>> alternatives to India with there support of Putin and genocide.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> India along with Europe don't want to lose Russian cheap energy.
>>>>>
>>>>> Don't think it cost differently that the Middle East.
>>>>>
>>>> No it is cheaper, Russia has lost a lot of trade because of it
>>>> invading Ukraine!
>>>> Financial currencies are blocked, Russia is desperate for cash
>>>> Now Russia is saying WWIII is on!
>>>> <https://www.newsmax.com/world/globaltalk/russia-ukraine-war-soldiers/2022/04/16/id/1065971/>
>>>> https://tinyurl.com/y2o7btzj
>>>> Russian state television declared Friday night that its conflict in
>>>> Ukraine can now "safely be called World War III."
>>>> "What it's escalated into can safely be called World War III – that's
>>>> entirely for sure," Russia 1 television host Olga Skabeyeva said,
>>>> according to a translation of Friday night’s broadcast by Britain's
>>>> Metro News. "Now we're definitely fighting against NATO
>>>> infrastructure, if not NATO itself. We need to recognize that."
>>>
>>> Hope he doesn't think Biden would not respond in kind if he uses
>>> Nukes.
>
>> Putin believes his shit!
>
>That remains to be seen, more likely its just bluff.
>
Yes Putin's full of yap, so is gutless pedophile Joe Biden
>
>> Russia nor the world will survive
>
>That's wrong. Lots of russia is so sparsely populated
>and no point in nuking that it would survive fine.
>
No one to kill there!
>
>Same with lots of the rest of the world too.
>
Major nuclear exchange will cause big air problems
>
>> M.A.D
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_Underground_Command_Center>
>> Biden's shitting himself in a corner there NOW!
>
>Don't buy that either.
>
The coward of Kabul you are talking of
>
>>>>>> Yes the US blocking trade with those continuing to trade with Russia
>>>>>> is a threat to them.
>>>>>> Biden and his totalitarian democrats are a far worse threat to the
>>>>>> USa
-- Petzl
None of this is a coincidence.
Joe Biden used the FBI to raid several
journalists homes to find his daughter's diary
which accuses him daughter's diary which accuses
him of being sexually inappropriate with a minor.
https://tinyurl.com/yx9gne4c
This is the same Joe Biden that just
nominated a pedophile sympathizer
to the Supreme Court.

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On Sun, 17 Apr 2022 11:13:44 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sat, 16 Apr 2022 17:26:29 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 17 Apr 2022 09:19:56 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 16 Apr 2022 10:31:43 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>Sorry one article isn't evidence. Putin wants the old USSR backs and
>>>>>>that can't happen.
>>>>>>
>>>>>Not saying Putin in northing but a tyranical arsehole.
>>>>
>>>> I do, and if he takes his shirt off for pictures again please get
>>>>the man a bra.
>>>>
>>>Even with the photo-shop his steroid induced tits cannot be completly
>>>hidden
>>
>> He looks disgusting
>>
>He has always been disgusting, a typical stupid arrogant Russian.
>
>A luckless Putin asks a lifeguard for some help with women.
>The lifeguard suggests that he put a potato in his swim trunks.
>However, Putin returns later and tells the lifeguard that women just
>laughed at him when he did that.
>“The potato goes in FRONT,” the lifeguard replies.

That is good one.
>
>That is, the potato in the front of Putin's swimsuit was supposed to
>improve his male sexual package, but instead, the potato in the back
>told others that his swimsuit was full of shit.
>>>>
>>>>>As Rod Speed has pointed out Ukraine was never about joining NATO.
>>>>
>>>> No, they were IMO. It was about them wanting to be more like the EU
>>>>and having freedoms Russians don't have.
>>>>
>>>The EU membership offered Ukrainians the opportunity to work outside
>>>the Ukraine. Very popular with Ukrainians who had violent protests
>>>when President accpeted the Russian counter offer.
>>>The Obama/Biden government had their elected President Yanukovych
>>>ousted.
>>
>> Can you prove that?
>
>Well documented but not by your fakenews media
><https://richardsonpost.com/worm/26039/the-us-is-culpable-in-todays-ukraine-crisis/?fbclid=IwAR037nMRm1t7fyf9KMZd-J_uojCKFSJFF8-xr3Tg4k8gvRQOi3KwKTQrC8I>
> https://tinyurl.com/y8gvpvxv
>Many know this story, but I’d like to summarize it as succinctly as
>possible, using only primary and establishment media sources in hopes
>that this article may be persuasive and shareable to friends/family of
>all politics.
>The goal is not to distract from Ukrainian suffering but to inform US
>citizens of how their leaders often engage in harmful foreign policy
>so that we may refrain from electing such leaders in the future.
>>>>
>>>>>They were trying to become part of the "European Union" only.
>>>>>Russia did not want this,
>>>>
>>>> True.
>>>>
>>>>>The EU offered $828 million for aid to help them do so.
>>>>>Russia then offered Ukraine a $15 billion loan and to cut Russian
>>>>>natural gas prices by almost a third. Yanukovych canceled negotiations
>>>>>with the EU and accepted Putin’s offer.
>>>>>
>>>>>Then Obama/Biden had the elected Ukraine leader removed!
>>>>>https://youtu.be/WV9J6sxCs5k
>>>>>US Intervention
>>>>>A leaked phone call, believed to have taken place on January 28, 2014,
>>>>>between then US Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland and US
>>>>>Ambassador to Ukraine Geoffrey Pyatt revealed that Obama-admin
>>>>>officials were involved in a scheme to oust Ukrainian President
>>>>>Yanukovych and replace his administration with Western allies.
>>>>
>>>> Obama is an idiot, as is Trump, and Biden. If Biden had armed
>>>>Ukraine before the invasion. Then, if the USA had armed them after
>>>>Russia took Crimea, it might have helped. Look what they have done
>>>>with limited aid.
>>>>
>>>Only the fakenews paints Trump as a idiot and their proparganda has
>>>influenced the thinking of many.
>>
>> Sorry his twitter account showed him to be an idiot.
>>
>Not if you actually read it
>Ignore the fakenews account
>>
>>>Not reporting and still not reporting the fake election that put Trump
>>>in and made it illegal for telling the truth,
>>>Right now Elon Musk's bid for 100% of twitter has the fakenews and
>>>democrat's in a spin, can't have a single person control a large
>>>Social media, yet have the worst criminal in US
>>
>> Yes, theh far left does seem to be having a fit. Hope he does it
>>and makes twitter free again. I don't want to see it just go from
>>leftist to the right.
>>
>I follow Elon Musk a bit
>He loves stirring the shit with and on "establishment"
>Moved out of California to Texas much to do with democrat bullshit!
><https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-texas-headquarters-move-from-california-officiallly-complete-elon-musk-2021-12>
>
>Don't see Musk as "right" but not "Left" either.
>He owns 14% of twitter, the poison pill makes it probable he could
>dump those shares, causing Twitter share price to drop to bugger all!
>
>This will possibly force existing share holders to sack the Twitter
>Board!
>Or you think shareholders would take kindly to a board with zero
>interest in shareholders?
>Twitter Share price chart whatch it dive, dive, dive, Tuesday?
>https://tinyurl.com/y65xxn48

I don't think I own any twitter. Wonder if it would be legal for him
to dump his stock and the buy it back after it fails?

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