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Re: USA to blame

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 by: Petzl - Sun, 17 Apr 2022 02:10 UTC

On Sat, 16 Apr 2022 18:23:27 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Sun, 17 Apr 2022 11:13:44 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 16 Apr 2022 17:26:29 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 17 Apr 2022 09:19:56 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sat, 16 Apr 2022 10:31:43 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>Sorry one article isn't evidence. Putin wants the old USSR backs and
>>>>>>>that can't happen.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Not saying Putin in northing but a tyranical arsehole.
>>>>>
>>>>> I do, and if he takes his shirt off for pictures again please get
>>>>>the man a bra.
>>>>>
>>>>Even with the photo-shop his steroid induced tits cannot be completly
>>>>hidden
>>>
>>> He looks disgusting
>>>
>>He has always been disgusting, a typical stupid arrogant Russian.
>>
>>A luckless Putin asks a lifeguard for some help with women.
>>The lifeguard suggests that he put a potato in his swim trunks.
>>However, Putin returns later and tells the lifeguard that women just
>>laughed at him when he did that.
>>“The potato goes in FRONT,” the lifeguard replies.
>
> That is good one.
>
That's a oldie.
The best way to attack Putin is by making demeaning jokes about him.
Undermines his confidence and power over Russian's
The yanks seem very good at this, I love most of the jokes/Memes about
Joe Bide
>>
>>That is, the potato in the front of Putin's swimsuit was supposed to
>>improve his male sexual package, but instead, the potato in the back
>>told others that his swimsuit was full of shit.
>>>>>
>>>>>>As Rod Speed has pointed out Ukraine was never about joining NATO.
>>>>>
>>>>> No, they were IMO. It was about them wanting to be more like the EU
>>>>>and having freedoms Russians don't have.
>>>>>
>>>>The EU membership offered Ukrainians the opportunity to work outside
>>>>the Ukraine. Very popular with Ukrainians who had violent protests
>>>>when President accpeted the Russian counter offer.
>>>>The Obama/Biden government had their elected President Yanukovych
>>>>ousted.
>>>
>>> Can you prove that?
>>
>>Well documented but not by your fakenews media
>><https://richardsonpost.com/worm/26039/the-us-is-culpable-in-todays-ukraine-crisis/?fbclid=IwAR037nMRm1t7fyf9KMZd-J_uojCKFSJFF8-xr3Tg4k8gvRQOi3KwKTQrC8I>
>> https://tinyurl.com/y8gvpvxv
>>Many know this story, but I’d like to summarize it as succinctly as
>>possible, using only primary and establishment media sources in hopes
>>that this article may be persuasive and shareable to friends/family of
>>all politics.
>>The goal is not to distract from Ukrainian suffering but to inform US
>>citizens of how their leaders often engage in harmful foreign policy
>>so that we may refrain from electing such leaders in the future.
>>>>>
>>>>>>They were trying to become part of the "European Union" only.
>>>>>>Russia did not want this,
>>>>>
>>>>> True.
>>>>>
>>>>>>The EU offered $828 million for aid to help them do so.
>>>>>>Russia then offered Ukraine a $15 billion loan and to cut Russian
>>>>>>natural gas prices by almost a third. Yanukovych canceled negotiations
>>>>>>with the EU and accepted Putin’s offer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Then Obama/Biden had the elected Ukraine leader removed!
>>>>>>https://youtu.be/WV9J6sxCs5k
>>>>>>US Intervention
>>>>>>A leaked phone call, believed to have taken place on January 28, 2014,
>>>>>>between then US Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland and US
>>>>>>Ambassador to Ukraine Geoffrey Pyatt revealed that Obama-admin
>>>>>>officials were involved in a scheme to oust Ukrainian President
>>>>>>Yanukovych and replace his administration with Western allies.
>>>>>
>>>>> Obama is an idiot, as is Trump, and Biden. If Biden had armed
>>>>>Ukraine before the invasion. Then, if the USA had armed them after
>>>>>Russia took Crimea, it might have helped. Look what they have done
>>>>>with limited aid.
>>>>>
>>>>Only the fakenews paints Trump as a idiot and their proparganda has
>>>>influenced the thinking of many.
>>>
>>> Sorry his twitter account showed him to be an idiot.
>>>
>>Not if you actually read it
>>Ignore the fakenews account
>>>
>>>>Not reporting and still not reporting the fake election that put Trump
>>>>in and made it illegal for telling the truth,
>>>>Right now Elon Musk's bid for 100% of twitter has the fakenews and
>>>>democrat's in a spin, can't have a single person control a large
>>>>Social media, yet have the worst criminal in US
>>>
>>> Yes, theh far left does seem to be having a fit. Hope he does it
>>>and makes twitter free again. I don't want to see it just go from
>>>leftist to the right.
>>>
>>I follow Elon Musk a bit
>>He loves stirring the shit with and on "establishment"
>>Moved out of California to Texas much to do with democrat bullshit!
>><https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-texas-headquarters-move-from-california-officiallly-complete-elon-musk-2021-12>
>>
>>Don't see Musk as "right" but not "Left" either.
>>He owns 14% of twitter, the poison pill makes it probable he could
>>dump those shares, causing Twitter share price to drop to bugger all!
>>
>>This will possibly force existing share holders to sack the Twitter
>>Board!
>>Or you think shareholders would take kindly to a board with zero
>>interest in shareholders?
>>Twitter Share price chart whatch it dive, dive, dive, Tuesday?
>>https://tinyurl.com/y65xxn48
>
>I don't think I own any twitter. Wonder if it would be legal for him
>to dump his stock and the buy it back after it fails?
>
I believe he can, but not sure of Dow Jones rules?
--
Petzl
15 - The number of FBI agents sent to investigate Bubba Wallace's garage door handle
25 - The number of FBI agents sent to arrest Roger Stone while sleeping in his pajamas
0 - The number of FBI agents sent to see Joe or Hunter Biden after given a laptop showing Quid Pro Quo.

The wheels are coming off.

Trump's inspired massive MAGA tsunami turnout forced them to cheat so big they lost their minds in a fraud frenzy.

Their Unconstitutional legal moves alone are dooming them.

"I caught the swamp. I caught them all" -- DJT

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 by: Rod Speed - Sun, 17 Apr 2022 02:53 UTC

Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
> On Sat, 16 Apr 2022 17:26:29 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 17 Apr 2022 09:19:56 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 16 Apr 2022 10:31:43 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> Sorry one article isn't evidence. Putin wants the old USSR backs
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> that can't happen.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Not saying Putin in northing but a tyranical arsehole.
>>>>
>>>> I do, and if he takes his shirt off for pictures again please get
>>>> the man a bra.
>>>>
>>> Even with the photo-shop his steroid induced tits cannot be completly
>>> hidden
>>

>>>>> As Rod Speed has pointed out Ukraine was never about joining NATO.
>>>>
>>>> No, they were IMO. It was about them wanting to be more like the EU
>>>> and having freedoms Russians don't have.
>>>>
>>> The EU membership offered Ukrainians the opportunity to work outside
>>> the Ukraine. Very popular with Ukrainians who had violent protests
>>> when President accpeted the Russian counter offer.

>>> The Obama/Biden government had their elected President Yanukovych
>>> ousted.
>>
>> Can you prove that?

No he can't.

> Well documented

Nope, no documentation for that lie at all.

> but not by your fakenews media
> <https://richardsonpost.com/worm/26039/the-us-is-culpable-in-todays-ukraine-crisis/?fbclid=IwAR037nMRm1t7fyf9KMZd-J_uojCKFSJFF8-xr3Tg4k8gvRQOi3KwKTQrC8I>
> https://tinyurl.com/y8gvpvxv

Just because that fool claims something...

> Many know this story, but I’d like to summarize it as succinctly as
> possible, using only primary and establishment media sources in hopes
> that this article may be persuasive and shareable to friends/family of
> all politics.

In fact he did nothing of the sort.

> The goal is not to distract from Ukrainian suffering but to inform US
> citizens of how their leaders often engage in harmful foreign policy
> so that we may refrain from electing such leaders in the future.

Pure bullshit. Complete pack of lies.

>>>>> They were trying to become part of the "European Union" only.
>>>>> Russia did not want this,
>>>>
>>>> True.
>>>>
>>>>> The EU offered $828 million for aid to help them do so.
>>>>> Russia then offered Ukraine a $15 billion loan and to cut Russian
>>>>> natural gas prices by almost a third. Yanukovych canceled
>>>>> negotiations
>>>>> with the EU and accepted Putin’s offer.
>>>>>
>>>>> Then Obama/Biden had the elected Ukraine leader removed!
>>>>> https://youtu.be/WV9J6sxCs5k
>>>>> US Intervention
>>>>> A leaked phone call, believed to have taken place on January 28,
>>>>> 2014,
>>>>> between then US Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland and US
>>>>> Ambassador to Ukraine Geoffrey Pyatt revealed that Obama-admin
>>>>> officials were involved in a scheme to oust Ukrainian President
>>>>> Yanukovych and replace his administration with Western allies.
>>>>
>>>> Obama is an idiot, as is Trump, and Biden. If Biden had armed
>>>> Ukraine before the invasion. Then, if the USA had armed them after
>>>> Russia took Crimea, it might have helped. Look what they have done
>>>> with limited aid.
>>>>
>>> Only the fakenews paints Trump as a idiot and their proparganda has
>>> influenced the thinking of many.
>>
>> Sorry his twitter account showed him to be an idiot.

> Not if you actually read it

Bullshit. In spades with his stupid press confirances and rallys.

>>> Not reporting and still not reporting the fake election that put Trump
>>> in and made it illegal for telling the truth,
>>> Right now Elon Musk's bid for 100% of twitter has the fakenews and
>>> democrat's in a spin, can't have a single person control a large
>>> Social media, yet have the worst criminal in US
>>
>> Yes, theh far left does seem to be having a fit. Hope he does it
>> and makes twitter free again. I don't want to see it just go from
>> leftist to the right.

> I follow Elon Musk a bit
> He loves stirring the shit with and on "establishment"
> Moved out of California to Texas much to do with democrat bullshit!
> <https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-texas-headquarters-move-from-california-officiallly-complete-elon-musk-2021-12>

> Don't see Musk as "right" but not "Left" either.

Matt is always stupid with his right left shit.

Stupidly claims that I am far left.

> He owns 14% of twitter, the poison pill makes it probable he could
> dump those shares, causing Twitter share price to drop to bugger all!

No chance of that.

> This will possibly force existing share holders to sack the Twitter
> Board!

Bullshit.

> Or you think shareholders would take kindly to a board with zero
> interest in shareholders?

More bullshit.

> Twitter Share price chart whatch it dive, dive, dive, Tuesday?
> https://tinyurl.com/y65xxn48

More bullshit.

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 by: Rod Speed - Sun, 17 Apr 2022 02:57 UTC

Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote

> On Sun, 17 Apr 2022 11:05:56 +1000, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 17 Apr 2022 10:34:15 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 16 Apr 2022 17:22:50 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 17 Apr 2022 08:35:54 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 16 Apr 2022 10:15:39 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, 16 Apr 2022 08:19:03 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, 15 Apr 2022 10:40:34 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> SNIP
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The USA does about 150 billion a year with India and Russia does
>>>>>>>> about 3 to 8 billion. I'm sure there are countries that would
>>>>>>>> spit
>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>> India rather than lose US business. I'm sure there are many in
>>>>>>>> India
>>>>>>>> that would spit on you for even suggesting it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Though I do believe the US companies should start looking for
>>>>>>>> alternatives to India with there support of Putin and genocide.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> India along with Europe don't want to lose Russian cheap energy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Don't think it cost differently that the Middle East.
>>>>>>
>>>>> No it is cheaper, Russia has lost a lot of trade because of it
>>>>> invading Ukraine!
>>>>> Financial currencies are blocked, Russia is desperate for cash
>>>>> Now Russia is saying WWIII is on!
>>>>> <https://www.newsmax.com/world/globaltalk/russia-ukraine-war-soldiers/2022/04/16/id/1065971/>
>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/y2o7btzj
>>>>> Russian state television declared Friday night that its conflict in
>>>>> Ukraine can now "safely be called World War III."
>>>>> "What it's escalated into can safely be called World War III – that's
>>>>> entirely for sure," Russia 1 television host Olga Skabeyeva said,
>>>>> according to a translation of Friday night’s broadcast by Britain's
>>>>> Metro News. "Now we're definitely fighting against NATO
>>>>> infrastructure, if not NATO itself. We need to recognize that."
>>>>
>>>> Hope he doesn't think Biden would not respond in kind if he uses
>>>> Nukes.
>>
>>> Putin believes his shit!
>>
>> That remains to be seen, more likely its just bluff.
>>
> Yes Putin's full of yap, so is gutless pedophile Joe Biden

Biden isnt a pedophile.

>>> Russia nor the world will survive
>>
>> That's wrong. Lots of russia is so sparsely populated
>> and no point in nuking that it would survive fine.

> No one to kill there!

Thats bullshit, but certainly not enough to waste any nukes on.

>> Same with lots of the rest of the world too.

> Major nuclear exchange will cause big air problems

But hordes would survive anyway.

>>> M.A.D
>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_Underground_Command_Center>
>>> Biden's shitting himself in a corner there NOW!
>>
>> Don't buy that either.

> The coward of Kabul you are talking of

Nope, he is no coward, he just did what needed to be done.

The Taliban were always going to win, its their place, just like with
Vietnam.

>>>>>>> Yes the US blocking trade with those continuing to trade with
>>>>>>> Russia
>>>>>>> is a threat to them.
>>>>>>> Biden and his totalitarian democrats are a far worse threat to the
>>>>>>> USa

> -- Petzl
> None of this is a coincidence.
> Joe Biden used the FBI to raid several
> journalists homes to find his daughter's diary
> which accuses him daughter's diary which accuses
> him of being sexually inappropriate with a minor.
> https://tinyurl.com/yx9gne4c

More mindless bullshit and lies.

> This is the same Joe Biden that just
> nominated a pedophile sympathizer
> to the Supreme Court.

More mindless bullshit and lies.

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On Sun, 17 Apr 2022 11:23:27 +1000, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sun, 17 Apr 2022 11:13:44 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 16 Apr 2022 17:26:29 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 17 Apr 2022 09:19:56 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 16 Apr 2022 10:31:43 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>> Sorry one article isn't evidence. Putin wants the old USSR backs
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> that can't happen.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not saying Putin in northing but a tyranical arsehole.
>>>>>
>>>>> I do, and if he takes his shirt off for pictures again please get
>>>>> the man a bra.
>>>>>
>>>> Even with the photo-shop his steroid induced tits cannot be completly
>>>> hidden
>>>
>>> He looks disgusting
>>>
>> He has always been disgusting, a typical stupid arrogant Russian.
>>
>> A luckless Putin asks a lifeguard for some help with women.
>> The lifeguard suggests that he put a potato in his swim trunks.
>> However, Putin returns later and tells the lifeguard that women just
>> laughed at him when he did that.
>> “The potato goes in FRONT,” the lifeguard replies.
>
> That is good one.
>>
>> That is, the potato in the front of Putin's swimsuit was supposed to
>> improve his male sexual package, but instead, the potato in the back
>> told others that his swimsuit was full of shit.
>>>>>
>>>>>> As Rod Speed has pointed out Ukraine was never about joining NATO..
>>>>>
>>>>> No, they were IMO. It was about them wanting to be more like the EU
>>>>> and having freedoms Russians don't have.
>>>>>
>>>> The EU membership offered Ukrainians the opportunity to work outside
>>>> the Ukraine. Very popular with Ukrainians who had violent protests
>>>> when President accpeted the Russian counter offer.
>>>> The Obama/Biden government had their elected President Yanukovych
>>>> ousted.
>>>
>>> Can you prove that?
>>
>> Well documented but not by your fakenews media
>> <https://richardsonpost.com/worm/26039/the-us-is-culpable-in-todays-ukraine-crisis/?fbclid=IwAR037nMRm1t7fyf9KMZd-J_uojCKFSJFF8-xr3Tg4k8gvRQOi3KwKTQrC8I>
>> https://tinyurl.com/y8gvpvxv
>> Many know this story, but I’d like to summarize it as succinctly as
>> possible, using only primary and establishment media sources in hopes
>> that this article may be persuasive and shareable to friends/family of
>> all politics.
>> The goal is not to distract from Ukrainian suffering but to inform US
>> citizens of how their leaders often engage in harmful foreign policy
>> so that we may refrain from electing such leaders in the future.
>>>>>
>>>>>> They were trying to become part of the "European Union" only.
>>>>>> Russia did not want this,
>>>>>
>>>>> True.
>>>>>
>>>>>> The EU offered $828 million for aid to help them do so.
>>>>>> Russia then offered Ukraine a $15 billion loan and to cut Russian
>>>>>> natural gas prices by almost a third. Yanukovych canceled
>>>>>> negotiations
>>>>>> with the EU and accepted Putin’s offer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Then Obama/Biden had the elected Ukraine leader removed!
>>>>>> https://youtu.be/WV9J6sxCs5k
>>>>>> US Intervention
>>>>>> A leaked phone call, believed to have taken place on January 28,
>>>>>> 2014,
>>>>>> between then US Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland and US
>>>>>> Ambassador to Ukraine Geoffrey Pyatt revealed that Obama-admin
>>>>>> officials were involved in a scheme to oust Ukrainian President
>>>>>> Yanukovych and replace his administration with Western allies.
>>>>>
>>>>> Obama is an idiot, as is Trump, and Biden. If Biden had armed
>>>>> Ukraine before the invasion. Then, if the USA had armed them after
>>>>> Russia took Crimea, it might have helped. Look what they have done
>>>>> with limited aid.
>>>>>
>>>> Only the fakenews paints Trump as a idiot and their proparganda has
>>>> influenced the thinking of many.
>>>
>>> Sorry his twitter account showed him to be an idiot.
>>>
>> Not if you actually read it
>> Ignore the fakenews account
>>>
>>>> Not reporting and still not reporting the fake election that put Trump
>>>> in and made it illegal for telling the truth,
>>>> Right now Elon Musk's bid for 100% of twitter has the fakenews and
>>>> democrat's in a spin, can't have a single person control a large
>>>> Social media, yet have the worst criminal in US
>>>
>>> Yes, theh far left does seem to be having a fit. Hope he does it
>>> and makes twitter free again. I don't want to see it just go from
>>> leftist to the right.
>>>
>> I follow Elon Musk a bit
>> He loves stirring the shit with and on "establishment"
>> Moved out of California to Texas much to do with democrat bullshit!
>> <https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-texas-headquarters-move-from-california-officiallly-complete-elon-musk-2021-12>
>>
>> Don't see Musk as "right" but not "Left" either.
>> He owns 14% of twitter, the poison pill makes it probable he could
>> dump those shares, causing Twitter share price to drop to bugger all!
>>
>> This will possibly force existing share holders to sack the Twitter
>> Board!
>> Or you think shareholders would take kindly to a board with zero
>> interest in shareholders?
>> Twitter Share price chart whatch it dive, dive, dive, Tuesday?
>> https://tinyurl.com/y65xxn48
>
> I don't think I own any twitter. Wonder if it would be legal for him
> to dump his stock and the buy it back after it fails?

Of course he can dump it but it wouldnt fall if he did.

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 by: Rod Speed - Sun, 17 Apr 2022 03:01 UTC

On Sun, 17 Apr 2022 12:10:22 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sat, 16 Apr 2022 18:23:27 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 17 Apr 2022 11:13:44 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 16 Apr 2022 17:26:29 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 17 Apr 2022 09:19:56 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 16 Apr 2022 10:31:43 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sorry one article isn't evidence. Putin wants the old USSR backs
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> that can't happen.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not saying Putin in northing but a tyranical arsehole.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I do, and if he takes his shirt off for pictures again please get
>>>>>> the man a bra.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Even with the photo-shop his steroid induced tits cannot be completly
>>>>> hidden
>>>>
>>>> He looks disgusting
>>>>
>>> He has always been disgusting, a typical stupid arrogant Russian.
>>>
>>> A luckless Putin asks a lifeguard for some help with women.
>>> The lifeguard suggests that he put a potato in his swim trunks.
>>> However, Putin returns later and tells the lifeguard that women just
>>> laughed at him when he did that.
>>> “The potato goes in FRONT,” the lifeguard replies.
>>
>> That is good one.
>>
> That's a oldie.
> The best way to attack Putin is by making demeaning jokes about him.
> Undermines his confidence and power over Russian's
> The yanks seem very good at this, I love most of the jokes/Memes about
> Joe Bide
>>>
>>> That is, the potato in the front of Putin's swimsuit was supposed to
>>> improve his male sexual package, but instead, the potato in the back
>>> told others that his swimsuit was full of shit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As Rod Speed has pointed out Ukraine was never about joining NATO.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, they were IMO. It was about them wanting to be more like the EU
>>>>>> and having freedoms Russians don't have.
>>>>>>
>>>>> The EU membership offered Ukrainians the opportunity to work outside
>>>>> the Ukraine. Very popular with Ukrainians who had violent protests
>>>>> when President accpeted the Russian counter offer.
>>>>> The Obama/Biden government had their elected President Yanukovych
>>>>> ousted.
>>>>
>>>> Can you prove that?
>>>
>>> Well documented but not by your fakenews media
>>> <https://richardsonpost.com/worm/26039/the-us-is-culpable-in-todays-ukraine-crisis/?fbclid=IwAR037nMRm1t7fyf9KMZd-J_uojCKFSJFF8-xr3Tg4k8gvRQOi3KwKTQrC8I>
>>> https://tinyurl.com/y8gvpvxv
>>> Many know this story, but I’d like to summarize it as succinctly as
>>> possible, using only primary and establishment media sources in hopes
>>> that this article may be persuasive and shareable to friends/family of
>>> all politics.
>>> The goal is not to distract from Ukrainian suffering but to inform US
>>> citizens of how their leaders often engage in harmful foreign policy
>>> so that we may refrain from electing such leaders in the future.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They were trying to become part of the "European Union" only.
>>>>>>> Russia did not want this,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> True.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The EU offered $828 million for aid to help them do so.
>>>>>>> Russia then offered Ukraine a $15 billion loan and to cut Russian
>>>>>>> natural gas prices by almost a third. Yanukovych canceled
>>>>>>> negotiations
>>>>>>> with the EU and accepted Putin’s offer.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Then Obama/Biden had the elected Ukraine leader removed!
>>>>>>> https://youtu.be/WV9J6sxCs5k
>>>>>>> US Intervention
>>>>>>> A leaked phone call, believed to have taken place on January 28,
>>>>>>> 2014,
>>>>>>> between then US Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland and US
>>>>>>> Ambassador to Ukraine Geoffrey Pyatt revealed that Obama-admin
>>>>>>> officials were involved in a scheme to oust Ukrainian President
>>>>>>> Yanukovych and replace his administration with Western allies.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Obama is an idiot, as is Trump, and Biden. If Biden had armed
>>>>>> Ukraine before the invasion. Then, if the USA had armed them after
>>>>>> Russia took Crimea, it might have helped. Look what they have done
>>>>>> with limited aid.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Only the fakenews paints Trump as a idiot and their proparganda has
>>>>> influenced the thinking of many.
>>>>
>>>> Sorry his twitter account showed him to be an idiot.
>>>>
>>> Not if you actually read it
>>> Ignore the fakenews account
>>>>
>>>>> Not reporting and still not reporting the fake election that put
>>>>> Trump
>>>>> in and made it illegal for telling the truth,
>>>>> Right now Elon Musk's bid for 100% of twitter has the fakenews and
>>>>> democrat's in a spin, can't have a single person control a large
>>>>> Social media, yet have the worst criminal in US
>>>>
>>>> Yes, theh far left does seem to be having a fit. Hope he does it
>>>> and makes twitter free again. I don't want to see it just go from
>>>> leftist to the right.
>>>>
>>> I follow Elon Musk a bit
>>> He loves stirring the shit with and on "establishment"
>>> Moved out of California to Texas much to do with democrat bullshit!
>>> <https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-texas-headquarters-move-from-california-officiallly-complete-elon-musk-2021-12>
>>>
>>> Don't see Musk as "right" but not "Left" either.
>>> He owns 14% of twitter, the poison pill makes it probable he could
>>> dump those shares, causing Twitter share price to drop to bugger all!
>>>
>>> This will possibly force existing share holders to sack the Twitter
>>> Board!
>>> Or you think shareholders would take kindly to a board with zero
>>> interest in shareholders?
>>> Twitter Share price chart whatch it dive, dive, dive, Tuesday?
>>> https://tinyurl.com/y65xxn48
>>
>> I don't think I own any twitter. Wonder if it would be legal for him
>> to dump his stock and the buy it back after it fails?
>>
> I believe he can, but not sure of Dow Jones rules?

There are no Dow Jones rules, its and index and doesnt rule anything.

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On Sun, 17 Apr 2022 12:10:22 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>This will possibly force existing share holders to sack the Twitter
>>>Board!
>>>Or you think shareholders would take kindly to a board with zero
>>>interest in shareholders?
>>>Twitter Share price chart whatch it dive, dive, dive, Tuesday?
>>>https://tinyurl.com/y65xxn48
>>
>>I don't think I own any twitter. Wonder if it would be legal for him
>>to dump his stock and the buy it back after it fails?
>>
>I believe he can, but not sure of Dow Jones rules?
>
In any case I would not see why Musk would buy anything this board in
charge.
If Musk recommends a sell/buy many shareholders do
--
Petzl
What is the harm of for the Democrats validating the voting system.
Is it because the Democrats have something to hide?

Amazing to think that Lyndon Johnson perfected the
'sit-wait-see how many we need to win-then dump our
stuffed ballots at the last moment' electoral technique
in post-war Texas, and nothing has changed in US elections
in the 7 decades since.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_United_States_Senate_election_in_Texas#Legal_battle>
The Left is fine with Vaccine Cards
but NOT voter IDs. Paying attention yet?

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 by: Petzl - Sun, 17 Apr 2022 03:27 UTC

On Sun, 17 Apr 2022 12:59:05 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sun, 17 Apr 2022 11:23:27 +1000, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote:
>
snip
>>> Don't see Musk as "right" but not "Left" either.
>>> He owns 14% of twitter, the poison pill makes it probable he could
>>> dump those shares, causing Twitter share price to drop to bugger all!
>>>
>>> This will possibly force existing share holders to sack the Twitter
>>> Board!
>>> Or you think shareholders would take kindly to a board with zero
>>> interest in shareholders?
>>> Twitter Share price chart whatch it dive, dive, dive, Tuesday?
>>> https://tinyurl.com/y65xxn48
>>
>> I don't think I own any twitter. Wonder if it would be legal for him
>> to dump his stock and the buy it back after it fails?
>
>Of course he can dump it but it wouldnt fall if he did.
>
Falling since Twitter poison pill activated

https://youtu.be/pbCigdbAVJc
Creepy pedophile Joe Biden
--
Petzl
What is the harm of for the Democrats validating the voting system.
Is it because the Democrats have something to hide?

Amazing to think that Lyndon Johnson perfected the
'sit-wait-see how many we need to win-then dump our
stuffed ballots at the last moment' electoral technique
in post-war Texas, and nothing has changed in US elections
in the 7 decades since.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_United_States_Senate_election_in_Texas#Legal_battle>
The Left is fine with Vaccine Cards
but NOT voter IDs. Paying attention yet?

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 by: Petzl - Sun, 17 Apr 2022 03:31 UTC

On Sun, 17 Apr 2022 12:53:44 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>> Twitter Share price chart whatch it dive, dive, dive, Tuesday?
>> https://tinyurl.com/y65xxn48
>
>More bullshit.
>
You say bullshit to everything without proof
That's a live to the minute Graph as soon as poison pill activated
share price of twittteer sterted falling
Then Easter began, US Tuesday will show more
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Petzl
LOVE HIM OR HATE HIM
Donald Trump has shown the entire nation irrefutably,
explicitly & beyond any shadow of a doubt
that U.S. government & their media propagandists are
corrupt to the core

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 by: Rod Speed - Sun, 17 Apr 2022 04:32 UTC

Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote

>>>> Don't see Musk as "right" but not "Left" either.
>>>> He owns 14% of twitter, the poison pill makes it probable he could
>>>> dump those shares, causing Twitter share price to drop to bugger all!
>>>>
>>>> This will possibly force existing share holders to sack the Twitter
>>>> Board!
>>>> Or you think shareholders would take kindly to a board with zero
>>>> interest in shareholders?
>>>> Twitter Share price chart whatch it dive, dive, dive, Tuesday?
>>>> https://tinyurl.com/y65xxn48
>>>
>>> I don't think I own any twitter. Wonder if it would be legal for him
>>> to dump his stock and the buy it back after it fails?
>>
>> Of course he can dump it but it wouldn't fall if he did.

> Falling since Twitter poison pill activated

Hardly surprising and not due to Musk. It has
dropped because the poison pill dilutes the stock.

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 by: Rod Speed - Sun, 17 Apr 2022 04:35 UTC

Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

>>> Twitter Share price chart whatch it dive, dive, dive, Tuesday?
>>> https://tinyurl.com/y65xxn48

>> More bullshit.

> You say bullshit to everything

Nope, only to the bullshit.

> without proof

There can be no proof of that bullshit till Tuesday, stupid.

> That's a live to the minute Graph as soon as poison pill activated
> share price of twittteer sterted falling

Because the poison pill dilutes the stock stupid.

> Then Easter began, US Tuesday will show more

It won't be dive, dive, dive, you watch.

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 by: Rod Speed - Sun, 17 Apr 2022 04:36 UTC

Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote

>>>> This will possibly force existing share holders to sack the Twitter
>>>> Board!
>>>> Or you think shareholders would take kindly to a board with zero
>>>> interest in shareholders?
>>>> Twitter Share price chart whatch it dive, dive, dive, Tuesday?
>>>> https://tinyurl.com/y65xxn48
>>>
>>> I don't think I own any twitter. Wonder if it would be legal for him
>>> to dump his stock and the buy it back after it fails?
>>>
>> I believe he can, but not sure of Dow Jones rules?

> In any case I would not see why Musk would buy anything this board in
> charge.

He clearly wants to control it but it is unlikely he will achiever
that now that the board has taken the poison pill to stop him.

> If Musk recommends a sell/buy many shareholders do

Do what ? Most won't do what he recommends, you watch.

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On Sun, 17 Apr 2022 14:32:42 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>
>>>>> Don't see Musk as "right" but not "Left" either.
>>>>> He owns 14% of twitter, the poison pill makes it probable he could
>>>>> dump those shares, causing Twitter share price to drop to bugger all!
>>>>>
>>>>> This will possibly force existing share holders to sack the Twitter
>>>>> Board!
>>>>> Or you think shareholders would take kindly to a board with zero
>>>>> interest in shareholders?
>>>>> Twitter Share price chart whatch it dive, dive, dive, Tuesday?
>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/y65xxn48
>>>>
>>>> I don't think I own any twitter. Wonder if it would be legal for him
>>>> to dump his stock and the buy it back after it fails?
>>>
>>> Of course he can dump it but it wouldn't fall if he did.
>
>> Falling since Twitter poison pill activated
>
>Hardly surprising and not due to Musk. It has
>dropped because the poison pill dilutes the stock.
>
Diluted even more if Musk dump $14 billion of twitter stock.
Anyhow Australia will see it Wednesday (we are a day behind)
--
Petzl
Barack Obama once warned not to underestimate
Joe Biden’s ‘ability to f**k things up’

Trump was never running against Biden.
He was running against voter fraud.
https://youtu.be/U4c5dYDD9xw
The Democrats’ First Bill of 2021 Is to Lock In
Fraudulent Election Maneuvers and Steal Elections in Perpetuity

The left loathes Trump so much it totally blinds them
to anything he says, even when what he says
could potentially save thousands of lives.

Amazing where in America a lifetime of corruption, gutless, lying, thieving,
fraud, cheating, Propagandist' and 'Bigot will take you in politics?
https://youtu.be/D1j0FS0Z6ho
Joe Biden's son, zero track record, for jobs in languages
he don't speak thrown out of navy for doing coke,
turned in a rental car with crack pipes in it,
hid from a process server for getting a girl pregnant
to avoid child support.
And now he's a high paid artist with no discernible talent.

Five days with dad on Chinese trip was paid US$1.5 billion dollars?
Corruption by proxy,a new corruption that is difficult to detect

Joe Biden had a little boy
his nose was white with snow
And everywhere Joe Biden went
his son was sure to go
He followed to Ukraine one day
and scored a lot of dough
This made Joe Biden worry so
he did a quid pro quo : Anon

Somewhere out there is a 2-year-old girl whose mother is a stripper,
her father is a crackhead and her grandpa is President of the United States
.. --Fact check THAT.

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 by: Rod Speed - Sun, 17 Apr 2022 05:07 UTC

Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote

>>>>>> Don't see Musk as "right" but not "Left" either.
>>>>>> He owns 14% of twitter, the poison pill makes it probable he could
>>>>>> dump those shares, causing Twitter share price to drop to bugger
>>>>>> all!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This will possibly force existing share holders to sack the Twitter
>>>>>> Board!
>>>>>> Or you think shareholders would take kindly to a board with zero
>>>>>> interest in shareholders?
>>>>>> Twitter Share price chart whatch it dive, dive, dive, Tuesday?
>>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/y65xxn48
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't think I own any twitter. Wonder if it would be legal for him
>>>>> to dump his stock and the buy it back after it fails?
>>>>
>>>> Of course he can dump it but it wouldn't fall if he did.
>>
>>> Falling since Twitter poison pill activated
>>
>> Hardly surprising and not due to Musk. It has
>> dropped because the poison pill dilutes the stock.

> Diluted even more if Musk dump $14 billion of twitter stock.

Nope, that doesn't increase the number of stock on issue.

> Anyhow Australia will see it Wednesday (we are a day behind)

We are actually a day ahead.

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On Sunday, 17 April 2022 at 03:14:46 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Apr 2022 23:15:04 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Saturday, 16 April 2022 at 03:36:14 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
> >> On Thu, 14 Apr 2022 17:26:25 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Friday, 15 April 2022 at 02:28:54 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
> >> >> On Wed, 13 Apr 2022 18:54:30 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
> >> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >No, they have a thriving democracy where opposition is allowed.
> >> >> >> >> Then go outside and yell the war must stop or peace now.
> >> >> >> >In times of war opposition is not allowed anywhere.
> >> >> >> But that Putin doesn't even want it called a war. Putin is an idiot
> >> >> >> and true pure evil. Putin also said the war was because Ukraine was
> >> >> >> Nazi. They have a Jew as president. It is Putin that is like the
> >> >> >> Nazis and a true idiot.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >No, Putin says that if Ukraine joined NATO it could not be invaded.
> >> >> Well would have made it much harder.
> >> >Impossibly one-sided without nuclear exchange. Putin knew that Ukraine would be lost if it joined NATO. So he invaded before they could join NATO.
> >> >> >So he has to make a pre-emptive move, calls in special operations.
> >> >> Putin, is an idiot and so much like the old USSR, I also believe he
> >> >> like Biden might have dementia.
> >> >Wrong. From his videos giving press conferences he appears highly intelligent, aware and capable. Does not read out from a screen, gives good replies.
> >> >> >Zelensky is a US puppet, serving western interests.
> >> >> Not really. Do you believe wanting to be independent of Russian
> >> >> control to be only "western interests"? There is China if Putin
> >> >> wants a good ass kicking.
> >> >Zelensky was not under Russian control.
> >> >He was and is under western control. '
> >> >> >Those grabbing interests were foiled by Putin, so there is much squealing in the western media.
> >> >> No, it is the murders and war crimes that is causing that.
> >> >
> >> >Who knows who did what crime.
> >> I know, I know if it isn't from Russian State television it is fake
> >> news all those videos are fake.
> >Who knows. All I know is that the West is fighting a proxy war with Russia, to the last Ukrainian.
> Tell me, is Putin telling the mothers of those kids killed that
> they have died or is he afraid, too.
> >> >All I know is that Biden wants Putin out, for that is what he said - as having a more pliant chap like Zelensky in Moscow would help the West in the never-ending grab that reached its height after the break-up of USSR. Which Putin fixed.
> >> Putin is a freak.
> >Well he could look that way to those wanting drunken swine in charge of Russia, the whole lot being corrupt to their cores.
> >That I agree to.
>
> >Actually I think I know Putin well, for in my childhood I grew up among would-be Putins. It was unique, no doubt. No other Indian boy had such an experience.
> >That way, I am certainly freakish to the likes of you. Very different we are, certainly.
> Yes, and the sooner Putin dies, the better for the free world. Are
> you Sudras or Untouchable? I'm betting Sudras wants to be like Putin,
> who if of India would be an Untouchable.

What free world? What on earth makes you think you are free? You USAns are only free to pollute the earth and proclaim you are the greatest!
Very many are in jail, not free at all, and the rest are fat, sad, mad and bad.
> >> >> >The Russians call thieves Nazis. Nazis stole the amber panels from the winter palace, and that seemed to bother our Russian guide the most for they have not yet been recovered.
> >> >> How will he take back say Poland? USSR failed and many found
> >> >> freedom so much better than any form of communism or tyranny.
> >> >
> >> >Russians think Ukraine belongs to them.
> >> It doesn't.
> >
> >Nor does Tibet to China that way, or Israel to European Jews.
> You forgot the Palestinians to Israel.
> >Might makes right, what?
> >The American way, no?
> Tell Putin he thought he had the might turns out he and his are
> wimps.

No, they are just not killing as indiscriminately and massively as USAns do, so they are retreating strategically finding that there are superior weapons against them.
I do not think they will give up. They will stay for years if necessary.
> >
> >> >Poland was an enemy for centuries, and a reluctant part of Warsaw Pact. Again it is an enemy to Russia. Quite historic, their animosity. Sad. They should learn to be good friends, both are wonderful in their own ways.
> >> Do you still believe that the Ukrainians would be waiting with open
> >> arms for you and Putin? They kicked your army's ass.
> >
> >Yes, they were provided with neat weapons but they fought in the cities.
> In part.

In the East they are dug in, so difficult to dislodge. The attack from the North helped to draw out some of them and that lead to land gain, principally from Crimea to the Donbass. Keeping that is the political goal, I think.
> >
> >Yes, you did
> >> attack civilians, but how else can the cowardly Russian armed forces
> >> act the Ukrainian armed forces, even with fewer arms kicked Russia's
> >> ass big time.
> >
> >But Russia got what Russia wanted, and that is what matters.
> To you maybe. It isn't over yet. USA is returning jobs to USA and
> that will hurt China as they have shown they support Putin and his
> ways, Support genocide buy "Made in China".
> >
> >> They even sunk some of your ships.
> >
> >True.
> Hopefully, many more to come.

Hopefully, the war will stop with partition of Ukraine.
> >> >It is US that is a tyrannical monster: full of lies, violence, greed, selfishness, meanness, lechery, pollution, jails, casinos, racism, bigotry etc.
> >> >Its tyranny lies in inflicting its vile culture or lack of it upon unsuspecting outsiders.
> >> >Russia is much more positive.
> >> Almost choked on that bit of propaganda. What do you think of
> >> Australia?
> >
> >More to the point, what do Australians think of US?

> I trained with their military and they think well of the USA. The
> government may be taking a glass-half-full approach. They dislike
> China and China's support of Putin's genocide isn't helping there. The
> Marxists never liked the USA and don't really matter.

There were massive rallies against Australian involvement in Iraq.
> >
> >> >> >> >> >And within the party there is freedom of thought so long as that is not treacherous.
> >> >> >> >> Treacherous is to disagree with Putin.
> >> >> >> >No, so long as you are not treacherous as his opposition usually are, being the tools of the West.
> >> >> >> Telling people there is a war and wanting peace is so very
> >> >> >> treacherous and worthy of 15 years in jail to that freak Putin.
> >> >> >It is a war for peace and security.
> >> >> >Not wanting NATO nukes pointed at your belly is an idea supported by most Russians.
> >> >> >> >> >A fine system, far better than US.
> >> >> >> >> No.
> >> >> >> >Yes, to thirdworlders.
> >> >> >> Third-world countries like Russia.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Correct, first time! Congratulations.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> Fuck Russia, it is a backward
> >> >> >> sewer, well, those that support Putin are shit. Wait, not a sewer
> >> >> >> that is too advanced, just an outhouse.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Russia gives; US takes!
> >> >> How did the US "take" and what?
> >> >
> >> >From India US took the top talent for generations, now. Used them for economic gain.
> >> Took them? Maybe they paid then and treated them better. Doubt
> >> they were abducted. Maybe if India wasn't such a shit hole country
> >> they would have stayed.
> >
> >Of course they took them with bribes. India suffers accordingly.
> Well, do you believe they should have been forced to stay as Putin
> would have done to his people?
> >Singapore and China did not have this loss, so they prosper much better.
> China is communist, so the people may not have had choices.
> Singapore prospers because they have a high-tech industrial base and a
> good military. They are also smart in walking the fine line between
> Beijing and the US. Getting the best from both relationships.
> >
> >> >From Ukraine it took away peace and whatever wits they had by placing a puppet in charge.
> >
> >> That was a elected leader. Well liked by the majority of the
> >> people. How long has it been since Russia had a free and open
> >> elections?
> >
> >Then if not a puppet - which he is - he is certainly the stupidest leader of our time, to have wrecked his country by believing in US promises.
> Then you believe he should have just surrendered to all Putin's
> demands?


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 by: Mattb - Sun, 17 Apr 2022 08:11 UTC

On Sun, 17 Apr 2022 00:23:36 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
<banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sunday, 17 April 2022 at 03:14:46 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
>> On Fri, 15 Apr 2022 23:15:04 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Saturday, 16 April 2022 at 03:36:14 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
>> >> On Thu, 14 Apr 2022 17:26:25 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >On Friday, 15 April 2022 at 02:28:54 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
>> >> >> On Wed, 13 Apr 2022 18:54:30 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>> >> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >No, they have a thriving democracy where opposition is allowed.
>> >> >> >> >> Then go outside and yell the war must stop or peace now.
>> >> >> >> >In times of war opposition is not allowed anywhere.
>> >> >> >> But that Putin doesn't even want it called a war. Putin is an idiot
>> >> >> >> and true pure evil. Putin also said the war was because Ukraine was
>> >> >> >> Nazi. They have a Jew as president. It is Putin that is like the
>> >> >> >> Nazis and a true idiot.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >No, Putin says that if Ukraine joined NATO it could not be invaded.
>> >> >> Well would have made it much harder.
>> >> >Impossibly one-sided without nuclear exchange. Putin knew that Ukraine would be lost if it joined NATO. So he invaded before they could join NATO.
>> >> >> >So he has to make a pre-emptive move, calls in special operations.
>> >> >> Putin, is an idiot and so much like the old USSR, I also believe he
>> >> >> like Biden might have dementia.
>> >> >Wrong. From his videos giving press conferences he appears highly intelligent, aware and capable. Does not read out from a screen, gives good replies.
>> >> >> >Zelensky is a US puppet, serving western interests.
>> >> >> Not really. Do you believe wanting to be independent of Russian
>> >> >> control to be only "western interests"? There is China if Putin
>> >> >> wants a good ass kicking.
>> >> >Zelensky was not under Russian control.
>> >> >He was and is under western control. '
>> >> >> >Those grabbing interests were foiled by Putin, so there is much squealing in the western media.
>> >> >> No, it is the murders and war crimes that is causing that.
>> >> >
>> >> >Who knows who did what crime.
>> >> I know, I know if it isn't from Russian State television it is fake
>> >> news all those videos are fake.
>> >Who knows. All I know is that the West is fighting a proxy war with Russia, to the last Ukrainian.
>> Tell me, is Putin telling the mothers of those kids killed that
>> they have died or is he afraid, too.
>> >> >All I know is that Biden wants Putin out, for that is what he said - as having a more pliant chap like Zelensky in Moscow would help the West in the never-ending grab that reached its height after the break-up of USSR. Which Putin fixed.
>> >> Putin is a freak.
>> >Well he could look that way to those wanting drunken swine in charge of Russia, the whole lot being corrupt to their cores.
>> >That I agree to.
>>
>> >Actually I think I know Putin well, for in my childhood I grew up among would-be Putins. It was unique, no doubt. No other Indian boy had such an experience.
>> >That way, I am certainly freakish to the likes of you. Very different we are, certainly.
>> Yes, and the sooner Putin dies, the better for the free world. Are
>> you Sudras or Untouchable? I'm betting Sudras wants to be like Putin,
>> who if of India would be an Untouchable.
>
>What free world? What on earth makes you think you are free? You USAns are only free to pollute the earth and proclaim you are the greatest!
>Very many are in jail, not free at all, and the rest are fat, sad, mad and bad.

Indian Police Arrest 4 Men Accused of ‘Gang Raping’ Bengal Monitor
Lizard
https://www.breitbart.com/asia/2022/04/14/indian-police-arrest-4-men-accused-gang-raping-bengal-monitor-lizard/

>
>> >> >> >The Russians call thieves Nazis. Nazis stole the amber panels from the winter palace, and that seemed to bother our Russian guide the most for they have not yet been recovered.
>> >> >> How will he take back say Poland? USSR failed and many found
>> >> >> freedom so much better than any form of communism or tyranny.
>> >> >
>> >> >Russians think Ukraine belongs to them.
>> >> It doesn't.
>> >
>> >Nor does Tibet to China that way, or Israel to European Jews.
>> You forgot the Palestinians to Israel.
>> >Might makes right, what?
>> >The American way, no?
>> Tell Putin he thought he had the might turns out he and his are
>> wimps.
>
>No, they are just not killing as indiscriminately and massively as USAns do, so they are retreating strategically finding that there are superior weapons against them.
>I do not think they will give up. They will stay for years if necessary.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/europe/over-900-civilians-dead-around-kyiv-russia-vows-new-attacks/articleshow/90872872.cms
>> >
>> >> >Poland was an enemy for centuries, and a reluctant part of Warsaw Pact. Again it is an enemy to Russia. Quite historic, their animosity. Sad. They should learn to be good friends, both are wonderful in their own ways.
>> >> Do you still believe that the Ukrainians would be waiting with open
>> >> arms for you and Putin? They kicked your army's ass.
>> >
>> >Yes, they were provided with neat weapons but they fought in the cities.
>> In part.
>
>In the East they are dug in, so difficult to dislodge. The attack from the North helped to draw out some of them and that lead to land gain, principally from Crimea to the Donbass. Keeping that is the political goal, I think.
>> >
>> >Yes, you did
>> >> attack civilians, but how else can the cowardly Russian armed forces
>> >> act the Ukrainian armed forces, even with fewer arms kicked Russia's
>> >> ass big time.
>> >
>> >But Russia got what Russia wanted, and that is what matters.
>> To you maybe. It isn't over yet. USA is returning jobs to USA and
>> that will hurt China as they have shown they support Putin and his
>> ways, Support genocide buy "Made in China".
>> >
>> >> They even sunk some of your ships.
>> >
>> >True.
>> Hopefully, many more to come.
>
>Hopefully, the war will stop with partition of Ukraine.

Doubt it.
>
>> >> >It is US that is a tyrannical monster: full of lies, violence, greed, selfishness, meanness, lechery, pollution, jails, casinos, racism, bigotry etc.
>> >> >Its tyranny lies in inflicting its vile culture or lack of it upon unsuspecting outsiders.
>> >> >Russia is much more positive.
>> >> Almost choked on that bit of propaganda. What do you think of
>> >> Australia?
>> >
>> >More to the point, what do Australians think of US?
>
>> I trained with their military and they think well of the USA. The
>> government may be taking a glass-half-full approach. They dislike
>> China and China's support of Putin's genocide isn't helping there. The
>> Marxists never liked the USA and don't really matter.
>
>There were massive rallies against Australian involvement in Iraq.

I was against that war also.
>> >
>> >> >> >> >> >And within the party there is freedom of thought so long as that is not treacherous.
>> >> >> >> >> Treacherous is to disagree with Putin.
>> >> >> >> >No, so long as you are not treacherous as his opposition usually are, being the tools of the West.
>> >> >> >> Telling people there is a war and wanting peace is so very
>> >> >> >> treacherous and worthy of 15 years in jail to that freak Putin.
>> >> >> >It is a war for peace and security.
>> >> >> >Not wanting NATO nukes pointed at your belly is an idea supported by most Russians.
>> >> >> >> >> >A fine system, far better than US.
>> >> >> >> >> No.
>> >> >> >> >Yes, to thirdworlders.
>> >> >> >> Third-world countries like Russia.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Correct, first time! Congratulations.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> Fuck Russia, it is a backward
>> >> >> >> sewer, well, those that support Putin are shit. Wait, not a sewer
>> >> >> >> that is too advanced, just an outhouse.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Russia gives; US takes!
>> >> >> How did the US "take" and what?
>> >> >
>> >> >From India US took the top talent for generations, now. Used them for economic gain.
>> >> Took them? Maybe they paid then and treated them better. Doubt
>> >> they were abducted. Maybe if India wasn't such a shit hole country
>> >> they would have stayed.
>> >
>> >Of course they took them with bribes. India suffers accordingly.
>> Well, do you believe they should have been forced to stay as Putin
>> would have done to his people?
>> >Singapore and China did not have this loss, so they prosper much better.
>> China is communist, so the people may not have had choices.
>> Singapore prospers because they have a high-tech industrial base and a
>> good military. They are also smart in walking the fine line between
>> Beijing and the US. Getting the best from both relationships.
>> >
>> >> >From Ukraine it took away peace and whatever wits they had by placing a puppet in charge.
>> >
>> >> That was a elected leader. Well liked by the majority of the
>> >> people. How long has it been since Russia had a free and open
>> >> elections?
>> >
>> >Then if not a puppet - which he is - he is certainly the stupidest leader of our time, to have wrecked his country by believing in US promises.
>> Then you believe he should have just surrendered to all Putin's
>> demands?
>
>To reasonable demands, yes.


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Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sunday, 17 April 2022 at 03:14:46 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
>> On Fri, 15 Apr 2022 23:15:04 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Saturday, 16 April 2022 at 03:36:14 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
>> >> On Thu, 14 Apr 2022 17:26:25 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >On Friday, 15 April 2022 at 02:28:54 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
>> >> >> On Wed, 13 Apr 2022 18:54:30 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>> >> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >No, they have a thriving democracy where opposition is
>> allowed.
>> >> >> >> >> Then go outside and yell the war must stop or peace now.
>> >> >> >> >In times of war opposition is not allowed anywhere.
>> >> >> >> But that Putin doesn't even want it called a war. Putin is an
>> idiot
>> >> >> >> and true pure evil. Putin also said the war was because
>> Ukraine was
>> >> >> >> Nazi. They have a Jew as president. It is Putin that is like
>> the
>> >> >> >> Nazis and a true idiot.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >No, Putin says that if Ukraine joined NATO it could not be
>> invaded.
>> >> >> Well would have made it much harder.
>> >> >Impossibly one-sided without nuclear exchange. Putin knew that
>> Ukraine would be lost if it joined NATO. So he invaded before they
>> could join NATO.
>> >> >> >So he has to make a pre-emptive move, calls in special
>> operations.
>> >> >> Putin, is an idiot and so much like the old USSR, I also believe
>> he
>> >> >> like Biden might have dementia.
>> >> >Wrong. From his videos giving press conferences he appears highly
>> intelligent, aware and capable. Does not read out from a screen, gives
>> good replies.
>> >> >> >Zelensky is a US puppet, serving western interests.
>> >> >> Not really. Do you believe wanting to be independent of Russian
>> >> >> control to be only "western interests"? There is China if Putin
>> >> >> wants a good ass kicking.
>> >> >Zelensky was not under Russian control.
>> >> >He was and is under western control. '
>> >> >> >Those grabbing interests were foiled by Putin, so there is much
>> squealing in the western media.
>> >> >> No, it is the murders and war crimes that is causing that.
>> >> >
>> >> >Who knows who did what crime.
>> >> I know, I know if it isn't from Russian State television it is fake
>> >> news all those videos are fake.
>> >Who knows. All I know is that the West is fighting a proxy war with
>> Russia, to the last Ukrainian.
>> Tell me, is Putin telling the mothers of those kids killed that
>> they have died or is he afraid, too.
>> >> >All I know is that Biden wants Putin out, for that is what he said
>> - as having a more pliant chap like Zelensky in Moscow would help the
>> West in the never-ending grab that reached its height after the
>> break-up of USSR. Which Putin fixed.
>> >> Putin is a freak.
>> >Well he could look that way to those wanting drunken swine in charge
>> of Russia, the whole lot being corrupt to their cores.
>> >That I agree to.
>>
>> >Actually I think I know Putin well, for in my childhood I grew up
>> among would-be Putins. It was unique, no doubt. No other Indian boy had
>> such an experience.
>> >That way, I am certainly freakish to the likes of you. Very different
>> we are, certainly.
>> Yes, and the sooner Putin dies, the better for the free world. Are
>> you Sudras or Untouchable? I'm betting Sudras wants to be like Putin,
>> who if of India would be an Untouchable.

> What free world?

The one so many of you hindus chose to leave India for.

> What on earth makes you think you are free?

I get to do anything I like.

> You USAns are only free to pollute the earth and proclaim you are the
> greatest!

You are completely off with the fucking fairys, as always.

> Very many are in jail, not free at all,

Only the druggys and illegals.

> and the rest are fat, sad, mad and bad.

Corse you aren't anything like that yourself, eh ?

>> >> >> >The Russians call thieves Nazis. Nazis stole the amber panels
>> from the winter palace, and that seemed to bother our Russian guide the
>> most for they have not yet been recovered.
>> >> >> How will he take back say Poland? USSR failed and many found
>> >> >> freedom so much better than any form of communism or tyranny.
>> >> >
>> >> >Russians think Ukraine belongs to them.
>> >> It doesn't.
>> >
>> >Nor does Tibet to China that way, or Israel to European Jews.
>> You forgot the Palestinians to Israel.
>> >Might makes right, what?
>> >The American way, no?

>> Tell Putin he thought he had the might turns out he and his are
>> wimps.

> No, they are just not killing as indiscriminately

Obvious lie.

> and massively as USAns do, so they are retreating strategically finding
> that there are superior weapons against them.

> I do not think they will give up. They will stay for years if necessary.

Didnt help with Afghanistan.

>> >> >Poland was an enemy for centuries, and a reluctant part of Warsaw
>> Pact. Again it is an enemy to Russia. Quite historic, their animosity.
>> Sad. They should learn to be good friends, both are wonderful in their
>> own ways.
>> >> Do you still believe that the Ukrainians would be waiting with open
>> >> arms for you and Putin? They kicked your army's ass.
>> >
>> >Yes, they were provided with neat weapons but they fought in the
>> cities.
>> In part.
>
> In the East they are dug in, so difficult to dislodge.

We'll see...

The attack from
> the North helped to draw out some of them and that lead to land gain,
> principally from Crimea to the Donbass. Keeping that is the political
> goal, I think.

And it remains to be seen if that will work...

>> >Yes, you did
>> >> attack civilians, but how else can the cowardly Russian armed forces
>> >> act the Ukrainian armed forces, even with fewer arms kicked Russia's
>> >> ass big time.
>> >
>> >But Russia got what Russia wanted, and that is what matters.
>> To you maybe. It isn't over yet. USA is returning jobs to USA and
>> that will hurt China as they have shown they support Putin and his
>> ways, Support genocide buy "Made in China".
>> >
>> >> They even sunk some of your ships.
>> >
>> >True.
>> Hopefully, many more to come.

> Hopefully, the war will stop with partition of Ukraine.

This isn't India, stupid.

>> >> >It is US that is a tyrannical monster: full of lies, violence,
>> greed, selfishness, meanness, lechery, pollution, jails, casinos,
>> racism, bigotry etc.
>> >> >Its tyranny lies in inflicting its vile culture or lack of it upon
>> unsuspecting outsiders.
>> >> >Russia is much more positive.
>> >> Almost choked on that bit of propaganda. What do you think of
>> >> Australia?
>> >
>> >More to the point, what do Australians think of US?
>
>> I trained with their military and they think well of the USA. The
>> government may be taking a glass-half-full approach. They dislike
>> China and China's support of Putin's genocide isn't helping there. The
>> Marxists never liked the USA and don't really matter.
>
> There were massive rallies against Australian involvement in Iraq.

And arent with the Ukraine.

>> >> >> >> >> >And within the party there is freedom of thought so long
>> as that is not treacherous.
>> >> >> >> >> Treacherous is to disagree with Putin.
>> >> >> >> >No, so long as you are not treacherous as his opposition
>> usually are, being the tools of the West.
>> >> >> >> Telling people there is a war and wanting peace is so very
>> >> >> >> treacherous and worthy of 15 years in jail to that freak Putin.
>> >> >> >It is a war for peace and security.
>> >> >> >Not wanting NATO nukes pointed at your belly is an idea
>> supported by most Russians.
>> >> >> >> >> >A fine system, far better than US.
>> >> >> >> >> No.
>> >> >> >> >Yes, to thirdworlders.
>> >> >> >> Third-world countries like Russia.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Correct, first time! Congratulations.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> Fuck Russia, it is a backward
>> >> >> >> sewer, well, those that support Putin are shit. Wait, not a
>> sewer
>> >> >> >> that is too advanced, just an outhouse.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Russia gives; US takes!
>> >> >> How did the US "take" and what?
>> >> >
>> >> >From India US took the top talent for generations, now. Used them
>> for economic gain.
>> >> Took them? Maybe they paid then and treated them better. Doubt
>> >> they were abducted. Maybe if India wasn't such a shit hole country
>> >> they would have stayed.
>> >
>> >Of course they took them with bribes. India suffers accordingly.
>> Well, do you believe they should have been forced to stay as Putin
>> would have done to his people?
>> >Singapore and China did not have this loss, so they prosper much
>> better.
>> China is communist, so the people may not have had choices.
>> Singapore prospers because they have a high-tech industrial base and a
>> good military. They are also smart in walking the fine line between
>> Beijing and the US. Getting the best from both relationships.
>> >
>> >> >From Ukraine it took away peace and whatever wits they had by
>> placing a puppet in charge.
>> >
>> >> That was a elected leader. Well liked by the majority of the
>> >> people. How long has it been since Russia had a free and open
>> >> elections?
>> >
>> >Then if not a puppet - which he is - he is certainly the stupidest
>> leader of our time, to have wrecked his country by believing in US
>> promises.
>> Then you believe he should have just surrendered to all Putin's
>> demands?


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On Sunday, 17 April 2022 at 03:22:53 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
> On Sat, 16 Apr 2022 02:31:17 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Saturday, 16 April 2022 at 03:40:38 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
> >> On Thu, 14 Apr 2022 17:30:37 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Friday, 15 April 2022 at 02:39:44 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
> >> >> On Wed, 13 Apr 2022 19:02:37 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
> >> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >On Thursday, 14 April 2022 at 02:45:26 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
> >> >> >> On Wed, 13 Apr 2022 01:53:14 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
> >> >> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >A fine system, far better than US.
> >> >> >> >> No.
> >> >> >> >Yes. I would much rather stay in Russia than US.
> >> >> >> >> >He is a Czar and Russia has different ways.
> >> >> >> >> Putin is a useless freak.
> >> >> >> >To US, he is much worse than that! He puts the spanner in their grabby works.
> >> >> >> >But he is useful to the Washington Swamp Monsters and the Deep State Devils.
> >> >> >> >They are bursting out of their skins with joy, with the money from Putin's war. Stocks are booming in the war markets, if Arnab Goswami is correct.
> >> >> >> >> >It works for most Russians and they like it this way.
> >> >> >> >> Then why not have open elections.
> >> >> >> >They have and they love Putin as Gorbachov says.
> >> >> >> >> >All nations have their ways.
> >> >> >> >> True.
> >> >> >> >> >They need not follow other ways.
> >> >> >> >> >USA gets along fine with Saudi, China etc. where ways are also brutal.
> >> >> >> >> Yes, Russia wants to use its inhumane ways on other countries.. Why
> >> >> >> >> should not other countries treat Russia in a similar manner?
> >> >> >> >They can try.
> >> >> >> >Russia treats thirdworld countries very well, unlike the US.
> >> >> >> >So Russia is their favourite.
> >> >> >> >> >> >Did Lincoln have a 80% approval rate in the North when he started the civil war?
> >> >> >> >> >> >Napoleon had a high approval rate. So did Hitler before WW2.
> >> >> >> >> >> >Don't know what will happen. Putin is taking strict security measures, so any assassin sent by your gods gotta be really good at his job. At least as good as Jason Bourne, etc. Will life follow "art"?
> >> >> >> >> >> What gods? Putin is a freak.
> >> >> >> >> >I meant devils.
> >> >> >> >> >Putin is wonderful, does his job, saves us from WW3.
> >> >> >> >> No, NATO is a defensive alliance. No threat to Putin unless he
> >> >> >> >> wants to conquer.
> >> >> >> >What rubbish. NATO has levelled Iraq and Libya.
> >> >> >> WHY? Should have known as a Putin supporter you would also
> >> >> >> support terrorist.
> >> >>
> >> >> >No greater terrorist than NATO, US etc. so far as numbers of innocent victims go.
> >> >> >I do not support war.
> >> >> Your words suggest you only support a tyrant.
> >> >I support good rulers.
> >> >> >Which means, a war to prevent far greater wars is like taking an inoculation to prevent death from some infection.
> >> >> >Putin says he had no choice. He is fully supported by Russians.
> >> >> How do you know have you asked and are they allowed to see doe
> >> >> themselves since Russia banned non-government controlled news and
> >> >> limited Internet..
> >> >Putin merely represents the Russian military, the government and the parliament.
> >> >He has been elected by popular vote.
> >> >In times of war control is done over news and media. Everywhere.
> >> No that is bullshit. Not like what the freak Putin is doing.
> >> >> >> >They wanted to hit Russia from below but that plan has been foiled by Putin.
> >> >> >> Liar.
> >> >> >Not at all, I am only repeating what Indian journalists say, quoting Putin.
> >> >> Yes, I want the US to cut business ties with India. We have way
> >> >> too much going on there.
> >> >I would love for all the world to cut all ties with US, leave it strictly alone as a pariah state.
> >> The USA does about 150 billion a year with India and Russia does
> >> about 3 to 8 billion.
> >
> >Quite like an USAn to harp about money as if that only mattered!
> It matters to some and those in need of work.
> >For that is all it knows.
> >Talking of money, how much did it take to remove and then reinstall the Taliban?
> Don't know that is a different subject.
> >Some talk of trillions!
> >What was the budget of the Taliban? The VietCong?
> >How much do you lot spend on education?
> >What is the result?
> This has to do with Ukraine how?

Nothing much, just that you were the one making money figures to be such a big deal.
They are important - if correct -but there are things more important. Like interests, resolve, results, ideals, styles, health, happiness.
Not all follow the goals of robbers and prostitutes.
> >
> >> I'm sure there are countries that would spit on
> >> India rather than lose US business.
> >
> >Not countries - corrupt, weak individuals running things like business, governments, media, etc.
> So non-communist?
> >
> >> I'm sure there are many in India
> >> that would spit on you for even suggesting it.
> >
> >Please do not think Indians to be as rude as you naturally are, as an American.
> Some are like the gang rapist and the government officials who for
> so long allowed that.
> >India is a real democracy, unlike the US, a corrupt oligarchy.
> Sure it is.
> >And what with our timeless civilisation and supreme culture - most polite, especially to strangers.
> >In India people take opinions widely different from their own, gracefully.
> >Tolerance works like that.
> Tell that to those of the lower Caste systems.

They know that.

> >So we do not spit at each other.

> Not even on what you call Untouchables?

No.
These days so-called untouchables are the kings.
They have many special privileges such as reservations. This has gone on from the 1950s and is the most deeply entrenched aspect of Indian democracy.
The President of India is a so-called untouchable.
Untouchability has been illegal since India got independence.
Not that it ever was a big deal. Hardly. It was made out to be so by the missionary types in their conversion attempts.
By and large people ignore what does not concern them.
The press picks up on the inevitable bad news. Out of 1400 million people, something bad can always be found.

> >Which is why we have such brilliant diversity in India. Chaotic, but mutually supportive.
> >We do not wear baseball caps, eat hot dogs, and claim loudly that we are the best!
> >For the life of the genuine Indian is based upon morality.
> >Satyam Shivan Sundaram - Truth Goodness Beauty - strictly in descending order of importance.
> Parts were nice, parts were shit, and smelled of such. But I
> believe most would not agree with you on ditching all relationships
> with the USA.

Only till the USAns become far more civilized, and stop their disgusting lying and scheming for money gains. In the meantime the Indians should at least ban or place high tariffs on anything cultural from US. Ban all Hollywood, news, noise they call music etc.

> >> Though I do believe the US companies should start looking for
> >> alternatives to India with there support of Putin and genocide.
> >
> >Good, good. All US influences should be eliminated from India, to begin with. Up BRIICS and the Commonwealth! All work hard and cleverly!
> >Quadrillions in gold will result to India, and the world; and later to a better US - if that can be; with the dismissal of the present stinking US billions.
> Go for it and push for that "In India".


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On Sunday, 17 April 2022 at 18:11:28 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Apr 2022 00:23:36 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Sunday, 17 April 2022 at 03:14:46 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
> >> On Fri, 15 Apr 2022 23:15:04 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Saturday, 16 April 2022 at 03:36:14 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
> >> >> On Thu, 14 Apr 2022 17:26:25 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
> >> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >On Friday, 15 April 2022 at 02:28:54 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
> >> >> >> On Wed, 13 Apr 2022 18:54:30 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
> >> >> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >No, they have a thriving democracy where opposition is allowed.
> >> >> >> >> >> Then go outside and yell the war must stop or peace now.
> >> >> >> >> >In times of war opposition is not allowed anywhere.
> >> >> >> >> But that Putin doesn't even want it called a war. Putin is an idiot
> >> >> >> >> and true pure evil. Putin also said the war was because Ukraine was
> >> >> >> >> Nazi. They have a Jew as president. It is Putin that is like the
> >> >> >> >> Nazis and a true idiot.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >No, Putin says that if Ukraine joined NATO it could not be invaded.
> >> >> >> Well would have made it much harder.
> >> >> >Impossibly one-sided without nuclear exchange. Putin knew that Ukraine would be lost if it joined NATO. So he invaded before they could join NATO.
> >> >> >> >So he has to make a pre-emptive move, calls in special operations.
> >> >> >> Putin, is an idiot and so much like the old USSR, I also believe he
> >> >> >> like Biden might have dementia.
> >> >> >Wrong. From his videos giving press conferences he appears highly intelligent, aware and capable. Does not read out from a screen, gives good replies.
> >> >> >> >Zelensky is a US puppet, serving western interests.
> >> >> >> Not really. Do you believe wanting to be independent of Russian
> >> >> >> control to be only "western interests"? There is China if Putin
> >> >> >> wants a good ass kicking.
> >> >> >Zelensky was not under Russian control.
> >> >> >He was and is under western control. '
> >> >> >> >Those grabbing interests were foiled by Putin, so there is much squealing in the western media.
> >> >> >> No, it is the murders and war crimes that is causing that.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Who knows who did what crime.
> >> >> I know, I know if it isn't from Russian State television it is fake
> >> >> news all those videos are fake.
> >> >Who knows. All I know is that the West is fighting a proxy war with Russia, to the last Ukrainian.
> >> Tell me, is Putin telling the mothers of those kids killed that
> >> they have died or is he afraid, too.
> >> >> >All I know is that Biden wants Putin out, for that is what he said - as having a more pliant chap like Zelensky in Moscow would help the West in the never-ending grab that reached its height after the break-up of USSR. Which Putin fixed.
> >> >> Putin is a freak.
> >> >Well he could look that way to those wanting drunken swine in charge of Russia, the whole lot being corrupt to their cores.
> >> >That I agree to.
> >>
> >> >Actually I think I know Putin well, for in my childhood I grew up among would-be Putins. It was unique, no doubt. No other Indian boy had such an experience.
> >> >That way, I am certainly freakish to the likes of you. Very different we are, certainly.
> >> Yes, and the sooner Putin dies, the better for the free world. Are
> >> you Sudras or Untouchable? I'm betting Sudras wants to be like Putin,
> >> who if of India would be an Untouchable.
> >
> >What free world? What on earth makes you think you are free? You USAns are only free to pollute the earth and proclaim you are the greatest!
> >Very many are in jail, not free at all, and the rest are fat, sad, mad and bad.
> Indian Police Arrest 4 Men Accused of ‘Gang Raping’ Bengal Monitor
> Lizard
> https://www.breitbart.com/asia/2022/04/14/indian-police-arrest-4-men-accused-gang-raping-bengal-monitor-lizard/
> >
> >> >> >> >The Russians call thieves Nazis. Nazis stole the amber panels from the winter palace, and that seemed to bother our Russian guide the most for they have not yet been recovered.
> >> >> >> How will he take back say Poland? USSR failed and many found
> >> >> >> freedom so much better than any form of communism or tyranny.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Russians think Ukraine belongs to them.
> >> >> It doesn't.
> >> >
> >> >Nor does Tibet to China that way, or Israel to European Jews.
> >> You forgot the Palestinians to Israel.
> >> >Might makes right, what?
> >> >The American way, no?
> >> Tell Putin he thought he had the might turns out he and his are
> >> wimps.
> >
> >No, they are just not killing as indiscriminately and massively as USAns do, so they are retreating strategically finding that there are superior weapons against them.
> >I do not think they will give up. They will stay for years if necessary.
> https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/europe/over-900-civilians-dead-around-kyiv-russia-vows-new-attacks/articleshow/90872872.cms
> >> >
> >> >> >Poland was an enemy for centuries, and a reluctant part of Warsaw Pact. Again it is an enemy to Russia. Quite historic, their animosity. Sad. They should learn to be good friends, both are wonderful in their own ways..
> >> >> Do you still believe that the Ukrainians would be waiting with open
> >> >> arms for you and Putin? They kicked your army's ass.
> >> >
> >> >Yes, they were provided with neat weapons but they fought in the cities.
> >> In part.
> >
> >In the East they are dug in, so difficult to dislodge. The attack from the North helped to draw out some of them and that lead to land gain, principally from Crimea to the Donbass. Keeping that is the political goal, I think.
> >> >
> >> >Yes, you did
> >> >> attack civilians, but how else can the cowardly Russian armed forces
> >> >> act the Ukrainian armed forces, even with fewer arms kicked Russia's
> >> >> ass big time.
> >> >
> >> >But Russia got what Russia wanted, and that is what matters.
> >> To you maybe. It isn't over yet. USA is returning jobs to USA and
> >> that will hurt China as they have shown they support Putin and his
> >> ways, Support genocide buy "Made in China".
> >> >
> >> >> They even sunk some of your ships.
> >> >
> >> >True.
> >> Hopefully, many more to come.
> >
> >Hopefully, the war will stop with partition of Ukraine.
> Doubt it.
> >
> >> >> >It is US that is a tyrannical monster: full of lies, violence, greed, selfishness, meanness, lechery, pollution, jails, casinos, racism, bigotry etc.
> >> >> >Its tyranny lies in inflicting its vile culture or lack of it upon unsuspecting outsiders.
> >> >> >Russia is much more positive.
> >> >> Almost choked on that bit of propaganda. What do you think of
> >> >> Australia?
> >> >
> >> >More to the point, what do Australians think of US?
> >
> >> I trained with their military and they think well of the USA. The
> >> government may be taking a glass-half-full approach. They dislike
> >> China and China's support of Putin's genocide isn't helping there. The
> >> Marxists never liked the USA and don't really matter.
> >
> >There were massive rallies against Australian involvement in Iraq.
> I was against that war also.
> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >And within the party there is freedom of thought so long as that is not treacherous.
> >> >> >> >> >> Treacherous is to disagree with Putin.
> >> >> >> >> >No, so long as you are not treacherous as his opposition usually are, being the tools of the West.
> >> >> >> >> Telling people there is a war and wanting peace is so very
> >> >> >> >> treacherous and worthy of 15 years in jail to that freak Putin.
> >> >> >> >It is a war for peace and security.
> >> >> >> >Not wanting NATO nukes pointed at your belly is an idea supported by most Russians.
> >> >> >> >> >> >A fine system, far better than US.
> >> >> >> >> >> No.
> >> >> >> >> >Yes, to thirdworlders.
> >> >> >> >> Third-world countries like Russia.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Correct, first time! Congratulations.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> Fuck Russia, it is a backward
> >> >> >> >> sewer, well, those that support Putin are shit. Wait, not a sewer
> >> >> >> >> that is too advanced, just an outhouse.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Russia gives; US takes!
> >> >> >> How did the US "take" and what?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >From India US took the top talent for generations, now. Used them for economic gain.
> >> >> Took them? Maybe they paid then and treated them better. Doubt
> >> >> they were abducted. Maybe if India wasn't such a shit hole country
> >> >> they would have stayed.
> >> >
> >> >Of course they took them with bribes. India suffers accordingly.
> >> Well, do you believe they should have been forced to stay as Putin
> >> would have done to his people?
> >> >Singapore and China did not have this loss, so they prosper much better.
> >> China is communist, so the people may not have had choices.
> >> Singapore prospers because they have a high-tech industrial base and a
> >> good military. They are also smart in walking the fine line between
> >> Beijing and the US. Getting the best from both relationships.
> >> >
> >> >> >From Ukraine it took away peace and whatever wits they had by placing a puppet in charge.
> >> >
> >> >> That was a elected leader. Well liked by the majority of the
> >> >> people. How long has it been since Russia had a free and open
> >> >> elections?
> >> >
> >> >Then if not a puppet - which he is - he is certainly the stupidest leader of our time, to have wrecked his country by believing in US promises.
> >> Then you believe he should have just surrendered to all Putin's
> >> demands?
> >
> >To reasonable demands, yes.
> Well of China wants part of OZ will you say the same?


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On Sunday, 17 April 2022 at 19:39:24 UTC+10, Rod Speed wrote:
his usual crap, duly flushed.
Really the Rod-turds here are so huge, they can barely be managed even by the ample holes in Indian Railway carriage toilets!
Heh-heh.

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On Sunday, 17 April 2022 at 18:11:28 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Apr 2022 00:23:36 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Sunday, 17 April 2022 at 03:14:46 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
> >> On Fri, 15 Apr 2022 23:15:04 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Saturday, 16 April 2022 at 03:36:14 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
> >> >> On Thu, 14 Apr 2022 17:26:25 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
> >> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >On Friday, 15 April 2022 at 02:28:54 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
> >> >> >> On Wed, 13 Apr 2022 18:54:30 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
> >> >> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >No, they have a thriving democracy where opposition is allowed.
> >> >> >> >> >> Then go outside and yell the war must stop or peace now.
> >> >> >> >> >In times of war opposition is not allowed anywhere.
> >> >> >> >> But that Putin doesn't even want it called a war. Putin is an idiot
> >> >> >> >> and true pure evil. Putin also said the war was because Ukraine was
> >> >> >> >> Nazi. They have a Jew as president. It is Putin that is like the
> >> >> >> >> Nazis and a true idiot.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >No, Putin says that if Ukraine joined NATO it could not be invaded.
> >> >> >> Well would have made it much harder.
> >> >> >Impossibly one-sided without nuclear exchange. Putin knew that Ukraine would be lost if it joined NATO. So he invaded before they could join NATO.
> >> >> >> >So he has to make a pre-emptive move, calls in special operations.
> >> >> >> Putin, is an idiot and so much like the old USSR, I also believe he
> >> >> >> like Biden might have dementia.
> >> >> >Wrong. From his videos giving press conferences he appears highly intelligent, aware and capable. Does not read out from a screen, gives good replies.
> >> >> >> >Zelensky is a US puppet, serving western interests.
> >> >> >> Not really. Do you believe wanting to be independent of Russian
> >> >> >> control to be only "western interests"? There is China if Putin
> >> >> >> wants a good ass kicking.
> >> >> >Zelensky was not under Russian control.
> >> >> >He was and is under western control. '
> >> >> >> >Those grabbing interests were foiled by Putin, so there is much squealing in the western media.
> >> >> >> No, it is the murders and war crimes that is causing that.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Who knows who did what crime.
> >> >> I know, I know if it isn't from Russian State television it is fake
> >> >> news all those videos are fake.
> >> >Who knows. All I know is that the West is fighting a proxy war with Russia, to the last Ukrainian.
> >> Tell me, is Putin telling the mothers of those kids killed that
> >> they have died or is he afraid, too.
> >> >> >All I know is that Biden wants Putin out, for that is what he said - as having a more pliant chap like Zelensky in Moscow would help the West in the never-ending grab that reached its height after the break-up of USSR. Which Putin fixed.
> >> >> Putin is a freak.
> >> >Well he could look that way to those wanting drunken swine in charge of Russia, the whole lot being corrupt to their cores.
> >> >That I agree to.
> >>
> >> >Actually I think I know Putin well, for in my childhood I grew up among would-be Putins. It was unique, no doubt. No other Indian boy had such an experience.
> >> >That way, I am certainly freakish to the likes of you. Very different we are, certainly.
> >> Yes, and the sooner Putin dies, the better for the free world. Are
> >> you Sudras or Untouchable? I'm betting Sudras wants to be like Putin,
> >> who if of India would be an Untouchable.
> >
> >What free world? What on earth makes you think you are free? You USAns are only free to pollute the earth and proclaim you are the greatest!
> >Very many are in jail, not free at all, and the rest are fat, sad, mad and bad.
> Indian Police Arrest 4 Men Accused of ‘Gang Raping’ Bengal Monitor
> Lizard
> https://www.breitbart.com/asia/2022/04/14/indian-police-arrest-4-men-accused-gang-raping-bengal-monitor-lizard/
> >
> >> >> >> >The Russians call thieves Nazis. Nazis stole the amber panels from the winter palace, and that seemed to bother our Russian guide the most for they have not yet been recovered.
> >> >> >> How will he take back say Poland? USSR failed and many found
> >> >> >> freedom so much better than any form of communism or tyranny.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Russians think Ukraine belongs to them.
> >> >> It doesn't.
> >> >
> >> >Nor does Tibet to China that way, or Israel to European Jews.
> >> You forgot the Palestinians to Israel.
> >> >Might makes right, what?
> >> >The American way, no?
> >> Tell Putin he thought he had the might turns out he and his are
> >> wimps.
> >
> >No, they are just not killing as indiscriminately and massively as USAns do, so they are retreating strategically finding that there are superior weapons against them.
> >I do not think they will give up. They will stay for years if necessary.
> https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/europe/over-900-civilians-dead-around-kyiv-russia-vows-new-attacks/articleshow/90872872.cms
> >> >
> >> >> >Poland was an enemy for centuries, and a reluctant part of Warsaw Pact. Again it is an enemy to Russia. Quite historic, their animosity. Sad. They should learn to be good friends, both are wonderful in their own ways..
> >> >> Do you still believe that the Ukrainians would be waiting with open
> >> >> arms for you and Putin? They kicked your army's ass.
> >> >
> >> >Yes, they were provided with neat weapons but they fought in the cities.
> >> In part.
> >
> >In the East they are dug in, so difficult to dislodge. The attack from the North helped to draw out some of them and that lead to land gain, principally from Crimea to the Donbass. Keeping that is the political goal, I think.
> >> >
> >> >Yes, you did
> >> >> attack civilians, but how else can the cowardly Russian armed forces
> >> >> act the Ukrainian armed forces, even with fewer arms kicked Russia's
> >> >> ass big time.
> >> >
> >> >But Russia got what Russia wanted, and that is what matters.
> >> To you maybe. It isn't over yet. USA is returning jobs to USA and
> >> that will hurt China as they have shown they support Putin and his
> >> ways, Support genocide buy "Made in China".
> >> >
> >> >> They even sunk some of your ships.
> >> >
> >> >True.
> >> Hopefully, many more to come.
> >
> >Hopefully, the war will stop with partition of Ukraine.
> Doubt it.

They should have done it peacefully, as in Czechoslovakia.
Now that was a great example, and not far away either.
But did they follow it?
> >
> >> >> >It is US that is a tyrannical monster: full of lies, violence, greed, selfishness, meanness, lechery, pollution, jails, casinos, racism, bigotry etc.
> >> >> >Its tyranny lies in inflicting its vile culture or lack of it upon unsuspecting outsiders.
> >> >> >Russia is much more positive.
> >> >> Almost choked on that bit of propaganda. What do you think of
> >> >> Australia?

It was a UK colony and is now a US+UK colony. Not a Switzerland!
There was that dechucka guy here who was the perfect rep.
> >> >More to the point, what do Australians think of US?
> >
> >> I trained with their military and they think well of the USA. The
> >> government may be taking a glass-half-full approach. They dislike
> >> China and China's support of Putin's genocide isn't helping there. The
> >> Marxists never liked the USA and don't really matter.
> >
> >There were massive rallies against Australian involvement in Iraq.
> I was against that war also.


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On Sunday, 17 April 2022 at 19:39:24 UTC+10, Rod Speed wrote:
his usual lies and rubbish.
- flush -
(Rod-turds flushed, from that never-failing source of crap.)

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> Indian Police Arrest 4 Men Accused of ‘Gang Raping’ Bengal Monitor
> Lizard
> https://www.breitbart.com/asia/2022/04/14/indian-police-arrest-4-men-accused-gang-raping-bengal-monitor-lizard/
There are some strange people no doubt.
Two drunks once wanted to garland a tiger in the Alipore Zoo.
That did not go well.

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> >> >From India US took the top talent for generations, now. Used them for economic gain.
> >> Took them? Maybe they paid then and treated them better.

They paid them their wages without having to give them their basic and higher education.
That is theft.

Doubt
> >> they were abducted. Maybe if India wasn't such a shit hole country
> >> they would have stayed.

If they had stayed India would have been the world's greatest power, much more than US.
> >Of course they took them with bribes. India suffers accordingly.

> Well, do you believe they should have been forced to stay as Putin
> would have done to his people?

They were sent to study, and then return with better knowledge.
Instead they were given better jobs, so they did not return.
Yes, India had a bad government which did not do enough. It was influenced by foreign interests who did their best to pull down or export talent.
Indian elites, principally the professors, are careerists who suck up to the West.
Yes, had the brilliant people been forced to remain in India by diktat they would have been forced to do good to India.

> >Singapore and China did not have this loss, so they prosper much better.
> China is communist, so the people may not have had choices.

I find that China also becomes capitalist in West's eyes, when that suits.
Basically they have their own system which works for them.

> Singapore prospers because they have a high-tech industrial base and a
> good military. They are also smart in walking the fine line between
> Beijing and the US. Getting the best from both relationships.

Unlike India, they have a meritocratic system which has made them first world, so no need to emigrate.
Indian system is anti-merit.

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 by: Mattb - Sun, 17 Apr 2022 16:13 UTC

On Sun, 17 Apr 2022 05:38:51 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
<banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sunday, 17 April 2022 at 18:11:28 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
>> On Sun, 17 Apr 2022 00:23:36 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Sunday, 17 April 2022 at 03:14:46 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
>> >> On Fri, 15 Apr 2022 23:15:04 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >On Saturday, 16 April 2022 at 03:36:14 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
>> >> >> On Thu, 14 Apr 2022 17:26:25 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>> >> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >On Friday, 15 April 2022 at 02:28:54 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
>> >> >> >> On Wed, 13 Apr 2022 18:54:30 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>> >> >> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >No, they have a thriving democracy where opposition is allowed.
>> >> >> >> >> >> Then go outside and yell the war must stop or peace now.
>> >> >> >> >> >In times of war opposition is not allowed anywhere.
>> >> >> >> >> But that Putin doesn't even want it called a war. Putin is an idiot
>> >> >> >> >> and true pure evil. Putin also said the war was because Ukraine was
>> >> >> >> >> Nazi. They have a Jew as president. It is Putin that is like the
>> >> >> >> >> Nazis and a true idiot.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >No, Putin says that if Ukraine joined NATO it could not be invaded.
>> >> >> >> Well would have made it much harder.
>> >> >> >Impossibly one-sided without nuclear exchange. Putin knew that Ukraine would be lost if it joined NATO. So he invaded before they could join NATO.
>> >> >> >> >So he has to make a pre-emptive move, calls in special operations.
>> >> >> >> Putin, is an idiot and so much like the old USSR, I also believe he
>> >> >> >> like Biden might have dementia.
>> >> >> >Wrong. From his videos giving press conferences he appears highly intelligent, aware and capable. Does not read out from a screen, gives good replies.
>> >> >> >> >Zelensky is a US puppet, serving western interests.
>> >> >> >> Not really. Do you believe wanting to be independent of Russian
>> >> >> >> control to be only "western interests"? There is China if Putin
>> >> >> >> wants a good ass kicking.
>> >> >> >Zelensky was not under Russian control.
>> >> >> >He was and is under western control. '
>> >> >> >> >Those grabbing interests were foiled by Putin, so there is much squealing in the western media.
>> >> >> >> No, it is the murders and war crimes that is causing that.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Who knows who did what crime.
>> >> >> I know, I know if it isn't from Russian State television it is fake
>> >> >> news all those videos are fake.
>> >> >Who knows. All I know is that the West is fighting a proxy war with Russia, to the last Ukrainian.
>> >> Tell me, is Putin telling the mothers of those kids killed that
>> >> they have died or is he afraid, too.
>> >> >> >All I know is that Biden wants Putin out, for that is what he said - as having a more pliant chap like Zelensky in Moscow would help the West in the never-ending grab that reached its height after the break-up of USSR. Which Putin fixed.
>> >> >> Putin is a freak.
>> >> >Well he could look that way to those wanting drunken swine in charge of Russia, the whole lot being corrupt to their cores.
>> >> >That I agree to.
>> >>
>> >> >Actually I think I know Putin well, for in my childhood I grew up among would-be Putins. It was unique, no doubt. No other Indian boy had such an experience.
>> >> >That way, I am certainly freakish to the likes of you. Very different we are, certainly.
>> >> Yes, and the sooner Putin dies, the better for the free world. Are
>> >> you Sudras or Untouchable? I'm betting Sudras wants to be like Putin,
>> >> who if of India would be an Untouchable.
>> >
>> >What free world? What on earth makes you think you are free? You USAns are only free to pollute the earth and proclaim you are the greatest!
>> >Very many are in jail, not free at all, and the rest are fat, sad, mad and bad.
>> Indian Police Arrest 4 Men Accused of ‘Gang Raping’ Bengal Monitor
>> Lizard
>> https://www.breitbart.com/asia/2022/04/14/indian-police-arrest-4-men-accused-gang-raping-bengal-monitor-lizard/
>> >
>> >> >> >> >The Russians call thieves Nazis. Nazis stole the amber panels from the winter palace, and that seemed to bother our Russian guide the most for they have not yet been recovered.
>> >> >> >> How will he take back say Poland? USSR failed and many found
>> >> >> >> freedom so much better than any form of communism or tyranny.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Russians think Ukraine belongs to them.
>> >> >> It doesn't.
>> >> >
>> >> >Nor does Tibet to China that way, or Israel to European Jews.
>> >> You forgot the Palestinians to Israel.
>> >> >Might makes right, what?
>> >> >The American way, no?
>> >> Tell Putin he thought he had the might turns out he and his are
>> >> wimps.
>> >
>> >No, they are just not killing as indiscriminately and massively as USAns do, so they are retreating strategically finding that there are superior weapons against them.
>> >I do not think they will give up. They will stay for years if necessary.
>> https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/europe/over-900-civilians-dead-around-kyiv-russia-vows-new-attacks/articleshow/90872872.cms
>> >> >
>> >> >> >Poland was an enemy for centuries, and a reluctant part of Warsaw Pact. Again it is an enemy to Russia. Quite historic, their animosity. Sad. They should learn to be good friends, both are wonderful in their own ways.
>> >> >> Do you still believe that the Ukrainians would be waiting with open
>> >> >> arms for you and Putin? They kicked your army's ass.
>> >> >
>> >> >Yes, they were provided with neat weapons but they fought in the cities.
>> >> In part.
>> >
>> >In the East they are dug in, so difficult to dislodge. The attack from the North helped to draw out some of them and that lead to land gain, principally from Crimea to the Donbass. Keeping that is the political goal, I think.
>> >> >
>> >> >Yes, you did
>> >> >> attack civilians, but how else can the cowardly Russian armed forces
>> >> >> act the Ukrainian armed forces, even with fewer arms kicked Russia's
>> >> >> ass big time.
>> >> >
>> >> >But Russia got what Russia wanted, and that is what matters.
>> >> To you maybe. It isn't over yet. USA is returning jobs to USA and
>> >> that will hurt China as they have shown they support Putin and his
>> >> ways, Support genocide buy "Made in China".
>> >> >
>> >> >> They even sunk some of your ships.
>> >> >
>> >> >True.
>> >> Hopefully, many more to come.
>> >
>> >Hopefully, the war will stop with partition of Ukraine.
>> Doubt it.
>
>They should have done it peacefully, as in Czechoslovakia.
>Now that was a great example, and not far away either.
>But did they follow it?
>> >
>> >> >> >It is US that is a tyrannical monster: full of lies, violence, greed, selfishness, meanness, lechery, pollution, jails, casinos, racism, bigotry etc.
>> >> >> >Its tyranny lies in inflicting its vile culture or lack of it upon unsuspecting outsiders.
>> >> >> >Russia is much more positive.
>> >> >> Almost choked on that bit of propaganda. What do you think of
>> >> >> Australia?
>
>It was a UK colony and is now a US+UK colony. Not a Switzerland!
>There was that dechucka guy here who was the perfect rep.
>
>> >> >More to the point, what do Australians think of US?
>> >
>> >> I trained with their military and they think well of the USA. The
>> >> government may be taking a glass-half-full approach. They dislike
>> >> China and China's support of Putin's genocide isn't helping there. The
>> >> Marxists never liked the USA and don't really matter.
>> >
>> >There were massive rallies against Australian involvement in Iraq.
>> I was against that war also.
>
>I am sure there are Ukrainians who want peace, but they are not represented as they have a US puppet imposed upon them.


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 by: Mattb - Sun, 17 Apr 2022 16:17 UTC

On Sun, 17 Apr 2022 06:10:50 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
<banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>> Indian Police Arrest 4 Men Accused of ‘Gang Raping’ Bengal Monitor
>> Lizard
>> https://www.breitbart.com/asia/2022/04/14/indian-police-arrest-4-men-accused-gang-raping-bengal-monitor-lizard/
>There are some strange people no doubt.
>Two drunks once wanted to garland a tiger in the Alipore Zoo.
>That did not go well.

Now you admit, all countries have strange people, thought India was
perfect? Though China and India have disputed lands. Go for it
China. India should just give it up as China is more powerful. Might
makes it right.

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