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Re: USA to blame

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 by: Mattb - Sun, 17 Apr 2022 16:31 UTC

On Sun, 17 Apr 2022 06:48:54 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
<banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>> >> >From India US took the top talent for generations, now. Used them for economic gain.
>> >> Took them? Maybe they paid then and treated them better.
>
>
>They paid them their wages without having to give them their basic and higher education.
>That is theft.

Then you believe the people are owned by the State of India? No
wonder you support Putin.
>
> Doubt
>> >> they were abducted. Maybe if India wasn't such a shit hole country
>> >> they would have stayed.
>
>If they had stayed India would have been the world's greatest power, much more than US.

Possibly. Who knows, I can't read possible futures. Maybe if
India could remove its caste system it would be a better power, its
love of gang rapes, or its religious violence. That or clean up the
polluted Ganges. India has a few problems and yes, so does the USA.
Also, notice some of India's news services are reporting on the war
crimes of Putin.
>
>> >Of course they took them with bribes. India suffers accordingly.
>
>> Well, do you believe they should have been forced to stay as Putin
>> would have done to his people?
>
>They were sent to study, and then return with better knowledge.

They did study and learned enough not to want to go back. Did the
State of India pay for them?

>Instead they were given better jobs, so they did not return.

They had that right.
>Yes, India had a bad government which did not do enough. It was influenced by foreign interests who did their best to pull down or export talent.

Always blame others, they do that in America also. Try taking some
personal responsibility and fixing things.

>Indian elites, principally the professors, are careerists who suck up to the West.

Maybe they just know that Putin's system really sucks.

>Yes, had the brilliant people been forced to remain in India by diktat they would have been forced to do good to India.

Yes I can see you are a Putin supporter. You a terrorist?

>
>> >Singapore and China did not have this loss, so they prosper much better.
>> China is communist, so the people may not have had choices.
>
>I find that China also becomes capitalist in West's eyes, when that suits.
>Basically they have their own system which works for them.

Yes it does and what they do IMO within their country is for them
to decide. What OZ does within it borders also. If Iran would keep to
itself even them.
>
>> Singapore prospers because they have a high-tech industrial base and a
>> good military. They are also smart in walking the fine line between
>> Beijing and the US. Getting the best from both relationships.
>
>Unlike India, they have a meritocratic system which has made them first world, so no need to emigrate.
>Indian system is anti-merit.

India has problems and you just blame the west. Why not give all of
India to Putin?

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On Sun, 17 Apr 2022 03:53:09 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
<banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sunday, 17 April 2022 at 03:22:53 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
>> On Sat, 16 Apr 2022 02:31:17 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Saturday, 16 April 2022 at 03:40:38 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
>> >> On Thu, 14 Apr 2022 17:30:37 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >On Friday, 15 April 2022 at 02:39:44 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
>> >> >> On Wed, 13 Apr 2022 19:02:37 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>> >> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >On Thursday, 14 April 2022 at 02:45:26 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
>> >> >> >> On Wed, 13 Apr 2022 01:53:14 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>> >> >> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >A fine system, far better than US.
>> >> >> >> >> No.
>> >> >> >> >Yes. I would much rather stay in Russia than US.
>> >> >> >> >> >He is a Czar and Russia has different ways.
>> >> >> >> >> Putin is a useless freak.
>> >> >> >> >To US, he is much worse than that! He puts the spanner in their grabby works.
>> >> >> >> >But he is useful to the Washington Swamp Monsters and the Deep State Devils.
>> >> >> >> >They are bursting out of their skins with joy, with the money from Putin's war. Stocks are booming in the war markets, if Arnab Goswami is correct.
>> >> >> >> >> >It works for most Russians and they like it this way.
>> >> >> >> >> Then why not have open elections.
>> >> >> >> >They have and they love Putin as Gorbachov says.
>> >> >> >> >> >All nations have their ways.
>> >> >> >> >> True.
>> >> >> >> >> >They need not follow other ways.
>> >> >> >> >> >USA gets along fine with Saudi, China etc. where ways are also brutal.
>> >> >> >> >> Yes, Russia wants to use its inhumane ways on other countries. Why
>> >> >> >> >> should not other countries treat Russia in a similar manner?
>> >> >> >> >They can try.
>> >> >> >> >Russia treats thirdworld countries very well, unlike the US.
>> >> >> >> >So Russia is their favourite.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >Did Lincoln have a 80% approval rate in the North when he started the civil war?
>> >> >> >> >> >> >Napoleon had a high approval rate. So did Hitler before WW2.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >Don't know what will happen. Putin is taking strict security measures, so any assassin sent by your gods gotta be really good at his job. At least as good as Jason Bourne, etc. Will life follow "art"?
>> >> >> >> >> >> What gods? Putin is a freak.
>> >> >> >> >> >I meant devils.
>> >> >> >> >> >Putin is wonderful, does his job, saves us from WW3.
>> >> >> >> >> No, NATO is a defensive alliance. No threat to Putin unless he
>> >> >> >> >> wants to conquer.
>> >> >> >> >What rubbish. NATO has levelled Iraq and Libya.
>> >> >> >> WHY? Should have known as a Putin supporter you would also
>> >> >> >> support terrorist.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >No greater terrorist than NATO, US etc. so far as numbers of innocent victims go.
>> >> >> >I do not support war.
>> >> >> Your words suggest you only support a tyrant.
>> >> >I support good rulers.
>> >> >> >Which means, a war to prevent far greater wars is like taking an inoculation to prevent death from some infection.
>> >> >> >Putin says he had no choice. He is fully supported by Russians.
>> >> >> How do you know have you asked and are they allowed to see doe
>> >> >> themselves since Russia banned non-government controlled news and
>> >> >> limited Internet..
>> >> >Putin merely represents the Russian military, the government and the parliament.
>> >> >He has been elected by popular vote.
>> >> >In times of war control is done over news and media. Everywhere.
>> >> No that is bullshit. Not like what the freak Putin is doing.
>> >> >> >> >They wanted to hit Russia from below but that plan has been foiled by Putin.
>> >> >> >> Liar.
>> >> >> >Not at all, I am only repeating what Indian journalists say, quoting Putin.
>> >> >> Yes, I want the US to cut business ties with India. We have way
>> >> >> too much going on there.
>> >> >I would love for all the world to cut all ties with US, leave it strictly alone as a pariah state.
>> >> The USA does about 150 billion a year with India and Russia does
>> >> about 3 to 8 billion.
>> >
>> >Quite like an USAn to harp about money as if that only mattered!
>> It matters to some and those in need of work.
>> >For that is all it knows.
>> >Talking of money, how much did it take to remove and then reinstall the Taliban?
>> Don't know that is a different subject.
>> >Some talk of trillions!
>> >What was the budget of the Taliban? The VietCong?
>> >How much do you lot spend on education?
>> >What is the result?
>> This has to do with Ukraine how?
>
>Nothing much, just that you were the one making money figures to be such a big deal.

It,would be a big deal for all those that lost jobs.

>They are important - if correct -but there are things more important. Like interests, resolve, results, ideals, styles, health, happiness.
>Not all follow the goals of robbers and prostitutes.

people need to work. You can't all live off the work of others AKA
the State.
>> >
>> >> I'm sure there are countries that would spit on
>> >> India rather than lose US business.
>> >
>> >Not countries - corrupt, weak individuals running things like business, governments, media, etc.
>> So non-communist?
>> >
>> >> I'm sure there are many in India
>> >> that would spit on you for even suggesting it.
>> >
>> >Please do not think Indians to be as rude as you naturally are, as an American.
>> Some are like the gang rapist and the government officials who for
>> so long allowed that.
>> >India is a real democracy, unlike the US, a corrupt oligarchy.
>> Sure it is.
>> >And what with our timeless civilisation and supreme culture - most polite, especially to strangers.
>> >In India people take opinions widely different from their own, gracefully.
>> >Tolerance works like that.
>> Tell that to those of the lower Caste systems.
>
>They know that.
>
>> >So we do not spit at each other.
>
>> Not even on what you call Untouchables?
>
>No.
>These days so-called untouchables are the kings.
>They have many special privileges such as reservations. This has gone on from the 1950s and is the most deeply entrenched aspect of Indian democracy.
>The President of India is a so-called untouchable.
>Untouchability has been illegal since India got independence.
>Not that it ever was a big deal. Hardly. It was made out to be so by the missionary types in their conversion attempts.
>By and large people ignore what does not concern them.
>The press picks up on the inevitable bad news. Out of 1400 million people, something bad can always be found.

Interesting. So all is well and all are treated equally.
>
>> >Which is why we have such brilliant diversity in India. Chaotic, but mutually supportive.
>> >We do not wear baseball caps, eat hot dogs, and claim loudly that we are the best!
>> >For the life of the genuine Indian is based upon morality.
>> >Satyam Shivan Sundaram - Truth Goodness Beauty - strictly in descending order of importance.
>> Parts were nice, parts were shit, and smelled of such. But I
>> believe most would not agree with you on ditching all relationships
>> with the USA.
>
>Only till the USAns become far more civilized, and stop their disgusting lying and scheming for money gains. In the meantime the Indians should at least ban or place high tariffs on anything cultural from US. Ban all Hollywood, news, noise they call music etc.


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On Sun, 17 Apr 2022 12:53:44 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>> On Sat, 16 Apr 2022 17:26:29 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 17 Apr 2022 09:19:56 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 16 Apr 2022 10:31:43 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>> Sorry one article isn't evidence. Putin wants the old USSR backs
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> that can't happen.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not saying Putin in northing but a tyranical arsehole.
>>>>>
>>>>> I do, and if he takes his shirt off for pictures again please get
>>>>> the man a bra.
>>>>>
>>>> Even with the photo-shop his steroid induced tits cannot be completly
>>>> hidden
>>>
>
>>>>>> As Rod Speed has pointed out Ukraine was never about joining NATO.
>>>>>
>>>>> No, they were IMO. It was about them wanting to be more like the EU
>>>>> and having freedoms Russians don't have.
>>>>>
>>>> The EU membership offered Ukrainians the opportunity to work outside
>>>> the Ukraine. Very popular with Ukrainians who had violent protests
>>>> when President accpeted the Russian counter offer.
>
>>>> The Obama/Biden government had their elected President Yanukovych
>>>> ousted.
>>>
>>> Can you prove that?
>
>No he can't.
>
>> Well documented
>
>Nope, no documentation for that lie at all.
>
>> but not by your fakenews media
>> <https://richardsonpost.com/worm/26039/the-us-is-culpable-in-todays-ukraine-crisis/?fbclid=IwAR037nMRm1t7fyf9KMZd-J_uojCKFSJFF8-xr3Tg4k8gvRQOi3KwKTQrC8I>
>> https://tinyurl.com/y8gvpvxv
>
>Just because that fool claims something...
>
>> Many know this story, but I’d like to summarize it as succinctly as
>> possible, using only primary and establishment media sources in hopes
>> that this article may be persuasive and shareable to friends/family of
>> all politics.
>
>In fact he did nothing of the sort.
>
>> The goal is not to distract from Ukrainian suffering but to inform US
>> citizens of how their leaders often engage in harmful foreign policy
>> so that we may refrain from electing such leaders in the future.
>
>Pure bullshit. Complete pack of lies.
>
>>>>>> They were trying to become part of the "European Union" only.
>>>>>> Russia did not want this,
>>>>>
>>>>> True.
>>>>>
>>>>>> The EU offered $828 million for aid to help them do so.
>>>>>> Russia then offered Ukraine a $15 billion loan and to cut Russian
>>>>>> natural gas prices by almost a third. Yanukovych canceled
>>>>>> negotiations
>>>>>> with the EU and accepted Putin’s offer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Then Obama/Biden had the elected Ukraine leader removed!
>>>>>> https://youtu.be/WV9J6sxCs5k
>>>>>> US Intervention
>>>>>> A leaked phone call, believed to have taken place on January 28,
>>>>>> 2014,
>>>>>> between then US Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland and US
>>>>>> Ambassador to Ukraine Geoffrey Pyatt revealed that Obama-admin
>>>>>> officials were involved in a scheme to oust Ukrainian President
>>>>>> Yanukovych and replace his administration with Western allies.
>>>>>
>>>>> Obama is an idiot, as is Trump, and Biden. If Biden had armed
>>>>> Ukraine before the invasion. Then, if the USA had armed them after
>>>>> Russia took Crimea, it might have helped. Look what they have done
>>>>> with limited aid.
>>>>>
>>>> Only the fakenews paints Trump as a idiot and their proparganda has
>>>> influenced the thinking of many.
>>>
>>> Sorry his twitter account showed him to be an idiot.
>
>> Not if you actually read it
>
>Bullshit. In spades with his stupid press confirances and rallys.
>
>>>> Not reporting and still not reporting the fake election that put Trump
>>>> in and made it illegal for telling the truth,
>>>> Right now Elon Musk's bid for 100% of twitter has the fakenews and
>>>> democrat's in a spin, can't have a single person control a large
>>>> Social media, yet have the worst criminal in US
>>>
>>> Yes, theh far left does seem to be having a fit. Hope he does it
>>> and makes twitter free again. I don't want to see it just go from
>>> leftist to the right.
>
>> I follow Elon Musk a bit
>> He loves stirring the shit with and on "establishment"
>> Moved out of California to Texas much to do with democrat bullshit!
>> <https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-texas-headquarters-move-from-california-officiallly-complete-elon-musk-2021-12>
>
>> Don't see Musk as "right" but not "Left" either.
>
>Matt is always stupid with his right left shit.

Not always.
>
>Stupidly claims that I am far left.

You are.
>
>> He owns 14% of twitter, the poison pill makes it probable he could
>> dump those shares, causing Twitter share price to drop to bugger all!
>
>No chance of that.
>
>> This will possibly force existing share holders to sack the Twitter
>> Board!
>
>Bullshit.
>
>> Or you think shareholders would take kindly to a board with zero
>> interest in shareholders?
>
>More bullshit.
>
>> Twitter Share price chart whatch it dive, dive, dive, Tuesday?
>> https://tinyurl.com/y65xxn48
>
>More bullshit.

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 by: Mattb - Sun, 17 Apr 2022 17:38 UTC

On Sun, 17 Apr 2022 12:59:05 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sun, 17 Apr 2022 11:23:27 +1000, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 17 Apr 2022 11:13:44 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 16 Apr 2022 17:26:29 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 17 Apr 2022 09:19:56 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 16 Apr 2022 10:31:43 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sorry one article isn't evidence. Putin wants the old USSR backs
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> that can't happen.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not saying Putin in northing but a tyranical arsehole.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I do, and if he takes his shirt off for pictures again please get
>>>>>> the man a bra.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Even with the photo-shop his steroid induced tits cannot be completly
>>>>> hidden
>>>>
>>>> He looks disgusting
>>>>
>>> He has always been disgusting, a typical stupid arrogant Russian.
>>>
>>> A luckless Putin asks a lifeguard for some help with women.
>>> The lifeguard suggests that he put a potato in his swim trunks.
>>> However, Putin returns later and tells the lifeguard that women just
>>> laughed at him when he did that.
>>> “The potato goes in FRONT,” the lifeguard replies.
>>
>> That is good one.
>>>
>>> That is, the potato in the front of Putin's swimsuit was supposed to
>>> improve his male sexual package, but instead, the potato in the back
>>> told others that his swimsuit was full of shit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As Rod Speed has pointed out Ukraine was never about joining NATO.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, they were IMO. It was about them wanting to be more like the EU
>>>>>> and having freedoms Russians don't have.
>>>>>>
>>>>> The EU membership offered Ukrainians the opportunity to work outside
>>>>> the Ukraine. Very popular with Ukrainians who had violent protests
>>>>> when President accpeted the Russian counter offer.
>>>>> The Obama/Biden government had their elected President Yanukovych
>>>>> ousted.
>>>>
>>>> Can you prove that?
>>>
>>> Well documented but not by your fakenews media
>>> <https://richardsonpost.com/worm/26039/the-us-is-culpable-in-todays-ukraine-crisis/?fbclid=IwAR037nMRm1t7fyf9KMZd-J_uojCKFSJFF8-xr3Tg4k8gvRQOi3KwKTQrC8I>
>>> https://tinyurl.com/y8gvpvxv
>>> Many know this story, but I’d like to summarize it as succinctly as
>>> possible, using only primary and establishment media sources in hopes
>>> that this article may be persuasive and shareable to friends/family of
>>> all politics.
>>> The goal is not to distract from Ukrainian suffering but to inform US
>>> citizens of how their leaders often engage in harmful foreign policy
>>> so that we may refrain from electing such leaders in the future.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They were trying to become part of the "European Union" only.
>>>>>>> Russia did not want this,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> True.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The EU offered $828 million for aid to help them do so.
>>>>>>> Russia then offered Ukraine a $15 billion loan and to cut Russian
>>>>>>> natural gas prices by almost a third. Yanukovych canceled
>>>>>>> negotiations
>>>>>>> with the EU and accepted Putin’s offer.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Then Obama/Biden had the elected Ukraine leader removed!
>>>>>>> https://youtu.be/WV9J6sxCs5k
>>>>>>> US Intervention
>>>>>>> A leaked phone call, believed to have taken place on January 28,
>>>>>>> 2014,
>>>>>>> between then US Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland and US
>>>>>>> Ambassador to Ukraine Geoffrey Pyatt revealed that Obama-admin
>>>>>>> officials were involved in a scheme to oust Ukrainian President
>>>>>>> Yanukovych and replace his administration with Western allies.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Obama is an idiot, as is Trump, and Biden. If Biden had armed
>>>>>> Ukraine before the invasion. Then, if the USA had armed them after
>>>>>> Russia took Crimea, it might have helped. Look what they have done
>>>>>> with limited aid.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Only the fakenews paints Trump as a idiot and their proparganda has
>>>>> influenced the thinking of many.
>>>>
>>>> Sorry his twitter account showed him to be an idiot.
>>>>
>>> Not if you actually read it
>>> Ignore the fakenews account
>>>>
>>>>> Not reporting and still not reporting the fake election that put Trump
>>>>> in and made it illegal for telling the truth,
>>>>> Right now Elon Musk's bid for 100% of twitter has the fakenews and
>>>>> democrat's in a spin, can't have a single person control a large
>>>>> Social media, yet have the worst criminal in US
>>>>
>>>> Yes, theh far left does seem to be having a fit. Hope he does it
>>>> and makes twitter free again. I don't want to see it just go from
>>>> leftist to the right.
>>>>
>>> I follow Elon Musk a bit
>>> He loves stirring the shit with and on "establishment"
>>> Moved out of California to Texas much to do with democrat bullshit!
>>> <https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-texas-headquarters-move-from-california-officiallly-complete-elon-musk-2021-12>
>>>
>>> Don't see Musk as "right" but not "Left" either.
>>> He owns 14% of twitter, the poison pill makes it probable he could
>>> dump those shares, causing Twitter share price to drop to bugger all!
>>>
>>> This will possibly force existing share holders to sack the Twitter
>>> Board!
>>> Or you think shareholders would take kindly to a board with zero
>>> interest in shareholders?
>>> Twitter Share price chart whatch it dive, dive, dive, Tuesday?
>>> https://tinyurl.com/y65xxn48
>>
>> I don't think I own any twitter. Wonder if it would be legal for him
>> to dump his stock and the buy it back after it fails?
>
>Of course he can dump it but it wouldnt fall if he did.

I'm interested to see how the shareholders of twitter respond.

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Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> spewed
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 by: Rod Speed - Sun, 17 Apr 2022 19:01 UTC

Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote

> But Zelensky is an ignorant fool.

> Did not study,

Another of your bare faced pig ignorant lies.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volodymyr_Zelenskyy#Early_life

> knows nothing about world politics, so is an useful puppet.

He's no puppet, liar.

> Nations suffer when useless people are in charge.

Yep, India proves that in spades.

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On Sun, 17 Apr 2022 22:38:51 +1000, Arindam Banerjee
<banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sunday, 17 April 2022 at 18:11:28 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
>> On Sun, 17 Apr 2022 00:23:36 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Sunday, 17 April 2022 at 03:14:46 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
>> >> On Fri, 15 Apr 2022 23:15:04 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >On Saturday, 16 April 2022 at 03:36:14 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
>> >> >> On Thu, 14 Apr 2022 17:26:25 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>> >> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >On Friday, 15 April 2022 at 02:28:54 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
>> >> >> >> On Wed, 13 Apr 2022 18:54:30 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>> >> >> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >No, they have a thriving democracy where opposition is
>> allowed.
>> >> >> >> >> >> Then go outside and yell the war must stop or peace now.
>> >> >> >> >> >In times of war opposition is not allowed anywhere.
>> >> >> >> >> But that Putin doesn't even want it called a war. Putin is
>> an idiot
>> >> >> >> >> and true pure evil. Putin also said the war was because
>> Ukraine was
>> >> >> >> >> Nazi. They have a Jew as president. It is Putin that is
>> like the
>> >> >> >> >> Nazis and a true idiot.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >No, Putin says that if Ukraine joined NATO it could not be
>> invaded.
>> >> >> >> Well would have made it much harder.
>> >> >> >Impossibly one-sided without nuclear exchange. Putin knew that
>> Ukraine would be lost if it joined NATO. So he invaded before they
>> could join NATO.
>> >> >> >> >So he has to make a pre-emptive move, calls in special
>> operations.
>> >> >> >> Putin, is an idiot and so much like the old USSR, I also
>> believe he
>> >> >> >> like Biden might have dementia.
>> >> >> >Wrong. From his videos giving press conferences he appears
>> highly intelligent, aware and capable. Does not read out from a screen,
>> gives good replies.
>> >> >> >> >Zelensky is a US puppet, serving western interests.
>> >> >> >> Not really. Do you believe wanting to be independent of Russian
>> >> >> >> control to be only "western interests"? There is China if Putin
>> >> >> >> wants a good ass kicking.
>> >> >> >Zelensky was not under Russian control.
>> >> >> >He was and is under western control. '
>> >> >> >> >Those grabbing interests were foiled by Putin, so there is
>> much squealing in the western media.
>> >> >> >> No, it is the murders and war crimes that is causing that.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Who knows who did what crime.
>> >> >> I know, I know if it isn't from Russian State television it is
>> fake
>> >> >> news all those videos are fake.
>> >> >Who knows. All I know is that the West is fighting a proxy war with
>> Russia, to the last Ukrainian.
>> >> Tell me, is Putin telling the mothers of those kids killed that
>> >> they have died or is he afraid, too.
>> >> >> >All I know is that Biden wants Putin out, for that is what he
>> said - as having a more pliant chap like Zelensky in Moscow would help
>> the West in the never-ending grab that reached its height after the
>> break-up of USSR. Which Putin fixed.
>> >> >> Putin is a freak.
>> >> >Well he could look that way to those wanting drunken swine in
>> charge of Russia, the whole lot being corrupt to their cores.
>> >> >That I agree to.
>> >>
>> >> >Actually I think I know Putin well, for in my childhood I grew up
>> among would-be Putins. It was unique, no doubt. No other Indian boy had
>> such an experience.
>> >> >That way, I am certainly freakish to the likes of you. Very
>> different we are, certainly.
>> >> Yes, and the sooner Putin dies, the better for the free world. Are
>> >> you Sudras or Untouchable? I'm betting Sudras wants to be like Putin,
>> >> who if of India would be an Untouchable.
>> >
>> >What free world? What on earth makes you think you are free? You USAns
>> are only free to pollute the earth and proclaim you are the greatest!
>> >Very many are in jail, not free at all, and the rest are fat, sad, mad
>> and bad.
>> Indian Police Arrest 4 Men Accused of ‘Gang Raping’ Bengal Monitor
>> Lizard
>> https://www.breitbart.com/asia/2022/04/14/indian-police-arrest-4-men-accused-gang-raping-bengal-monitor-lizard/
>> >
>> >> >> >> >The Russians call thieves Nazis. Nazis stole the amber panels
>> from the winter palace, and that seemed to bother our Russian guide the
>> most for they have not yet been recovered.
>> >> >> >> How will he take back say Poland? USSR failed and many found
>> >> >> >> freedom so much better than any form of communism or tyranny..
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Russians think Ukraine belongs to them.
>> >> >> It doesn't.
>> >> >
>> >> >Nor does Tibet to China that way, or Israel to European Jews.
>> >> You forgot the Palestinians to Israel.
>> >> >Might makes right, what?
>> >> >The American way, no?
>> >> Tell Putin he thought he had the might turns out he and his are
>> >> wimps.
>> >
>> >No, they are just not killing as indiscriminately and massively as
>> USAns do, so they are retreating strategically finding that there are
>> superior weapons against them.
>> >I do not think they will give up. They will stay for years if
>> necessary.
>> https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/europe/over-900-civilians-dead-around-kyiv-russia-vows-new-attacks/articleshow/90872872.cms
>> >> >
>> >> >> >Poland was an enemy for centuries, and a reluctant part of
>> Warsaw Pact. Again it is an enemy to Russia. Quite historic, their
>> animosity. Sad. They should learn to be good friends, both are
>> wonderful in their own ways.
>> >> >> Do you still believe that the Ukrainians would be waiting with
>> open
>> >> >> arms for you and Putin? They kicked your army's ass.
>> >> >
>> >> >Yes, they were provided with neat weapons but they fought in the
>> cities.
>> >> In part.
>> >
>> >In the East they are dug in, so difficult to dislodge. The attack from
>> the North helped to draw out some of them and that lead to land gain,
>> principally from Crimea to the Donbass. Keeping that is the political
>> goal, I think.
>> >> >
>> >> >Yes, you did
>> >> >> attack civilians, but how else can the cowardly Russian armed
>> forces
>> >> >> act the Ukrainian armed forces, even with fewer arms kicked
>> Russia's
>> >> >> ass big time.
>> >> >
>> >> >But Russia got what Russia wanted, and that is what matters.
>> >> To you maybe. It isn't over yet. USA is returning jobs to USA and
>> >> that will hurt China as they have shown they support Putin and his
>> >> ways, Support genocide buy "Made in China".
>> >> >
>> >> >> They even sunk some of your ships.
>> >> >
>> >> >True.
>> >> Hopefully, many more to come.
>> >
>> >Hopefully, the war will stop with partition of Ukraine.

>> Doubt it.

> They should have done it peacefully, as in Czechoslovakia.

Why should they give up part of the Ukraine to immigrant russians ?

> Now that was a great example, and not far away either.

Different situation entirely, there were no immigrant russians involved.


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Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote

>>>>> From India US took the top talent for generations, now.

Because India is so fucked anyone who can, leaves.

>>>>> Used them for economic gain.

Corse no one else ever does that with immigrants, eh ?

>>>> Took them? Maybe they paid then and treated them better.

> They paid them their wages

Yep.

> without having to give them their basic and higher education.

That is a bare faced lie. Most of them that show
up here pretend to be coming for the basic and
higher education and then stay, illegally.

> That is theft.

Even sillier than you usually manage and that's saying something...

>>>> Doubt
>> >> they were abducted. Maybe if India wasn't such a shit hole country
>> >> they would have stayed.

> If they had stayed India would have been the world's greatest power,
> much more than US.

Even sillier than you usually manage and that's saying something...

Why didn't you stay, hypocrite ?

>> >Of course they took them with bribes. India suffers accordingly.
>
>> Well, do you believe they should have been forced to stay as Putin
>> would have done to his people?

> They were sent to study, and then return with better knowledge.

No one sent them, fuckwit.

> Instead they were given better jobs,

That they had no chance of getting in India.

> so they did not return.

And neither did you.

> Yes, India had a bad government which did not do enough. It was
> influenced by foreign interests who did their best to pull down or
> export talent.

> Indian elites, principally the professors, are careerists who suck up to
> the West.

> Yes, had the brilliant people been forced to remain in India by diktat
> they would have been forced to do good to India.

How stunningly democratic.

>> >Singapore and China did not have this loss, so they prosper much
>> better.
>> China is communist, so the people may not have had choices.
>
> I find that China also becomes capitalist in West's eyes, when that
> suits.

> Basically they have their own system which works for them.

For how long remains to be seen.

>> Singapore prospers because they have a high-tech industrial base and a
>> good military. They are also smart in walking the fine line between
>> Beijing and the US. Getting the best from both relationships.

> Unlike India, they have a meritocratic system which has made them first
> world, so no need to emigrate.
> Indian system is anti-merit.

So anyone with even half a clue, leaves.

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On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 02:13:49 +1000, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sun, 17 Apr 2022 05:38:51 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
> <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sunday, 17 April 2022 at 18:11:28 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
>>> On Sun, 17 Apr 2022 00:23:36 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>>> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> >On Sunday, 17 April 2022 at 03:14:46 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
>>> >> On Fri, 15 Apr 2022 23:15:04 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>>> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> >On Saturday, 16 April 2022 at 03:36:14 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
>>> >> >> On Thu, 14 Apr 2022 17:26:25 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>>> >> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> >On Friday, 15 April 2022 at 02:28:54 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
>>> >> >> >> On Wed, 13 Apr 2022 18:54:30 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>>> >> >> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> >> >> >No, they have a thriving democracy where opposition is
>>> allowed.
>>> >> >> >> >> >> Then go outside and yell the war must stop or peace now.
>>> >> >> >> >> >In times of war opposition is not allowed anywhere.
>>> >> >> >> >> But that Putin doesn't even want it called a war. Putin is
>>> an idiot
>>> >> >> >> >> and true pure evil. Putin also said the war was because
>>> Ukraine was
>>> >> >> >> >> Nazi. They have a Jew as president. It is Putin that is
>>> like the
>>> >> >> >> >> Nazis and a true idiot.
>>> >> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> >No, Putin says that if Ukraine joined NATO it could not be
>>> invaded.
>>> >> >> >> Well would have made it much harder.
>>> >> >> >Impossibly one-sided without nuclear exchange. Putin knew that
>>> Ukraine would be lost if it joined NATO. So he invaded before they
>>> could join NATO.
>>> >> >> >> >So he has to make a pre-emptive move, calls in special
>>> operations.
>>> >> >> >> Putin, is an idiot and so much like the old USSR, I also
>>> believe he
>>> >> >> >> like Biden might have dementia.
>>> >> >> >Wrong. From his videos giving press conferences he appears
>>> highly intelligent, aware and capable. Does not read out from a
>>> screen, gives good replies.
>>> >> >> >> >Zelensky is a US puppet, serving western interests.
>>> >> >> >> Not really. Do you believe wanting to be independent of
>>> Russian
>>> >> >> >> control to be only "western interests"? There is China if
>>> Putin
>>> >> >> >> wants a good ass kicking.
>>> >> >> >Zelensky was not under Russian control.
>>> >> >> >He was and is under western control. '
>>> >> >> >> >Those grabbing interests were foiled by Putin, so there is
>>> much squealing in the western media.
>>> >> >> >> No, it is the murders and war crimes that is causing that.
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >Who knows who did what crime.
>>> >> >> I know, I know if it isn't from Russian State television it is
>>> fake
>>> >> >> news all those videos are fake.
>>> >> >Who knows. All I know is that the West is fighting a proxy war
>>> with Russia, to the last Ukrainian.
>>> >> Tell me, is Putin telling the mothers of those kids killed that
>>> >> they have died or is he afraid, too.
>>> >> >> >All I know is that Biden wants Putin out, for that is what he
>>> said - as having a more pliant chap like Zelensky in Moscow would help
>>> the West in the never-ending grab that reached its height after the
>>> break-up of USSR. Which Putin fixed.
>>> >> >> Putin is a freak.
>>> >> >Well he could look that way to those wanting drunken swine in
>>> charge of Russia, the whole lot being corrupt to their cores.
>>> >> >That I agree to.
>>> >>
>>> >> >Actually I think I know Putin well, for in my childhood I grew up
>>> among would-be Putins. It was unique, no doubt. No other Indian boy
>>> had such an experience.
>>> >> >That way, I am certainly freakish to the likes of you. Very
>>> different we are, certainly.
>>> >> Yes, and the sooner Putin dies, the better for the free world. Are
>>> >> you Sudras or Untouchable? I'm betting Sudras wants to be like
>>> Putin,
>>> >> who if of India would be an Untouchable.
>>> >
>>> >What free world? What on earth makes you think you are free? You
>>> USAns are only free to pollute the earth and proclaim you are the
>>> greatest!
>>> >Very many are in jail, not free at all, and the rest are fat, sad,
>>> mad and bad.
>>> Indian Police Arrest 4 Men Accused of ‘Gang Raping’ Bengal Monitor
>>> Lizard
>>> https://www.breitbart.com/asia/2022/04/14/indian-police-arrest-4-men-accused-gang-raping-bengal-monitor-lizard/
>>> >
>>> >> >> >> >The Russians call thieves Nazis. Nazis stole the amber
>>> panels from the winter palace, and that seemed to bother our Russian
>>> guide the most for they have not yet been recovered.
>>> >> >> >> How will he take back say Poland? USSR failed and many found
>>> >> >> >> freedom so much better than any form of communism or tyranny.
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >Russians think Ukraine belongs to them.
>>> >> >> It doesn't.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >Nor does Tibet to China that way, or Israel to European Jews.
>>> >> You forgot the Palestinians to Israel.
>>> >> >Might makes right, what?
>>> >> >The American way, no?
>>> >> Tell Putin he thought he had the might turns out he and his are
>>> >> wimps.
>>> >
>>> >No, they are just not killing as indiscriminately and massively as
>>> USAns do, so they are retreating strategically finding that there are
>>> superior weapons against them.
>>> >I do not think they will give up. They will stay for years if
>>> necessary.
>>> https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/europe/over-900-civilians-dead-around-kyiv-russia-vows-new-attacks/articleshow/90872872.cms
>>> >> >
>>> >> >> >Poland was an enemy for centuries, and a reluctant part of
>>> Warsaw Pact. Again it is an enemy to Russia. Quite historic, their
>>> animosity. Sad. They should learn to be good friends, both are
>>> wonderful in their own ways.
>>> >> >> Do you still believe that the Ukrainians would be waiting with
>>> open
>>> >> >> arms for you and Putin? They kicked your army's ass.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >Yes, they were provided with neat weapons but they fought in the
>>> cities.
>>> >> In part.
>>> >
>>> >In the East they are dug in, so difficult to dislodge. The attack
>>> from the North helped to draw out some of them and that lead to land
>>> gain, principally from Crimea to the Donbass. Keeping that is the
>>> political goal, I think.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >Yes, you did
>>> >> >> attack civilians, but how else can the cowardly Russian armed
>>> forces
>>> >> >> act the Ukrainian armed forces, even with fewer arms kicked
>>> Russia's
>>> >> >> ass big time.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >But Russia got what Russia wanted, and that is what matters.
>>> >> To you maybe. It isn't over yet. USA is returning jobs to USA and
>>> >> that will hurt China as they have shown they support Putin and his
>>> >> ways, Support genocide buy "Made in China".
>>> >> >
>>> >> >> They even sunk some of your ships.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >True.
>>> >> Hopefully, many more to come.
>>> >
>>> >Hopefully, the war will stop with partition of Ukraine.
>>> Doubt it.
>>
>> They should have done it peacefully, as in Czechoslovakia.
>> Now that was a great example, and not far away either.
>> But did they follow it?
>>> >
>>> >> >> >It is US that is a tyrannical monster: full of lies, violence,
>>> greed, selfishness, meanness, lechery, pollution, jails, casinos,
>>> racism, bigotry etc.
>>> >> >> >Its tyranny lies in inflicting its vile culture or lack of it
>>> upon unsuspecting outsiders.
>>> >> >> >Russia is much more positive.
>>> >> >> Almost choked on that bit of propaganda. What do you think of
>>> >> >> Australia?
>>
>> It was a UK colony and is now a US+UK colony. Not a Switzerland!
>> There was that dechucka guy here who was the perfect rep.
>>
>>> >> >More to the point, what do Australians think of US?
>>> >
>>> >> I trained with their military and they think well of the USA. The
>>> >> government may be taking a glass-half-full approach. They dislike
>>> >> China and China's support of Putin's genocide isn't helping there..
>>> The
>>> >> Marxists never liked the USA and don't really matter.
>>> >
>>> >There were massive rallies against Australian involvement in Iraq.
>>> I was against that war also.
>>
>> I am sure there are Ukrainians who want peace, but they are not
>> represented as they have a US puppet imposed upon them.
>
> I believe most people want peace. I also believe most people don't
> want to live under Putin's rule. When Putin gets Ukraine will
> Moldova be next or Poland? To you, they should just surrender to that
> freaks will. Be a less than a colony to the great Russia and the new
> USSR.
>
>
>>
>>> >> >> >> >> >> >And within the party there is freedom of thought so
>>> long as that is not treacherous.
>>> >> >> >> >> >> Treacherous is to disagree with Putin.
>>> >> >> >> >> >No, so long as you are not treacherous as his opposition
>>> usually are, being the tools of the West.
>>> >> >> >> >> Telling people there is a war and wanting peace is so very
>>> >> >> >> >> treacherous and worthy of 15 years in jail to that freak
>>> Putin.
>>> >> >> >> >It is a war for peace and security.
>>> >> >> >> >Not wanting NATO nukes pointed at your belly is an idea
>>> supported by most Russians.
>>> >> >> >> >> >> >A fine system, far better than US.
>>> >> >> >> >> >> No.
>>> >> >> >> >> >Yes, to thirdworlders.
>>> >> >> >> >> Third-world countries like Russia.
>>> >> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> >Correct, first time! Congratulations.
>>> >> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> >> Fuck Russia, it is a backward
>>> >> >> >> >> sewer, well, those that support Putin are shit. Wait, not
>>> a sewer
>>> >> >> >> >> that is too advanced, just an outhouse.
>>> >> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> >Russia gives; US takes!
>>> >> >> >> How did the US "take" and what?
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >From India US took the top talent for generations, now. Used
>>> them for economic gain.
>>> >> >> Took them? Maybe they paid then and treated them better. Doubt
>>> >> >> they were abducted. Maybe if India wasn't such a shit hole
>>> country
>>> >> >> they would have stayed.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >Of course they took them with bribes. India suffers accordingly.
>>> >> Well, do you believe they should have been forced to stay as Putin
>>> >> would have done to his people?
>>> >> >Singapore and China did not have this loss, so they prosper much
>>> better.
>>> >> China is communist, so the people may not have had choices.
>>> >> Singapore prospers because they have a high-tech industrial base
>>> and a
>>> >> good military. They are also smart in walking the fine line between
>>> >> Beijing and the US. Getting the best from both relationships.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >> >From Ukraine it took away peace and whatever wits they had by
>>> placing a puppet in charge.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >> That was a elected leader. Well liked by the majority of the
>>> >> >> people. How long has it been since Russia had a free and open
>>> >> >> elections?
>>
>> From what I hear, some 4 years ago when Putin was re-elected.
>
> LOL. What a joke.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >Then if not a puppet - which he is - he is certainly the stupidest
>>> leader of our time, to have wrecked his country by believing in US
>>> promises.
>>> >> Then you believe he should have just surrendered to all Putin's
>>> >> demands?
>>> >
>>> >To reasonable demands, yes.
>>> Well of China wants part of OZ will you say the same?
>>
>> If we sell well, why not? They already have lots of Oz property.
>
> OK
>
>>
>>> > Became a puppet state for Putin, and gave up what the EU
>>> >> could give culturally?
>>
>> What culture? If the EU is that good whey did UK leave?
>
> Not because of the culture. If Russia is so great, why did all
> these countries leave it and join NATO now why is the NATO alliance
> going to get new members? Maybe countries fear being the next
> Ukraine.
>
>> Will they want destroyed states like Ukraine to join?
>
> A few more are joining, even Sweden,


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On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 02:31:02 +1000, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sun, 17 Apr 2022 06:48:54 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
> <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>> >> >From India US took the top talent for generations, now. Used them
>>> for economic gain.
>>> >> Took them? Maybe they paid then and treated them better.
>>
>>
>> They paid them their wages without having to give them their basic and
>> higher education.
>> That is theft.
>
> Then you believe the people are owned by the State of India? No
> wonder you support Putin.
>>
>> Doubt
>>> >> they were abducted. Maybe if India wasn't such a shit hole country
>>> >> they would have stayed.
>>
>> If they had stayed India would have been the world's greatest power,
>> much more than US.

> Possibly.

Not a chance.

> Who knows,

Anyone with even half a fucking clue.

> I can't read possible futures.

Or even manage to work out who said what in here.

> Maybe if
> India could remove its caste system it would be a better power, its
> love of gang rapes, or its religious violence. That or clean up the
> polluted Ganges.

And provide dunnys so the buggers don't have to shit on the ground
in full view of everyone.

> India has a few problems and yes, so does the USA.
> Also, notice some of India's news services are reporting on the war
> crimes of Putin.

All of them are.

>>> >Of course they took them with bribes. India suffers accordingly.
>>
>>> Well, do you believe they should have been forced to stay as Putin
>>> would have done to his people?
>>
>> They were sent to study, and then return with better knowledge.
>
> They did study and learned enough not to want to go back. Did the
> State of India pay for them?

Nope.

>> Instead they were given better jobs, so they did not return.
>
> They had that right.
>> Yes, India had a bad government which did not do enough. It was
>> influenced by foreign interests who did their best to pull down or
>> export talent.
>
> Always blame others, they do that in America also. Try taking some
> personal responsibility and fixing things.
>
>> Indian elites, principally the professors, are careerists who suck up
>> to the West.
>
> Maybe they just know that Putin's system really sucks.
>
>> Yes, had the brilliant people been forced to remain in India by diktat
>> they would have been forced to do good to India.
>
> Yes I can see you are a Putin supporter. You a terrorist?
>
>>
>>> >Singapore and China did not have this loss, so they prosper much
>>> better.
>>> China is communist, so the people may not have had choices.
>>
>> I find that China also becomes capitalist in West's eyes, when that
>> suits.
>> Basically they have their own system which works for them.
>
> Yes it does and what they do IMO within their country is for them
> to decide. What OZ does within it borders also. If Iran would keep to
> itself even them.
>>
>>> Singapore prospers because they have a high-tech industrial base and a
>>> good military. They are also smart in walking the fine line between
>>> Beijing and the US. Getting the best from both relationships.
>>
>> Unlike India, they have a meritocratic system which has made them first
>> world, so no need to emigrate.
>> Indian system is anti-merit.
>
> India has problems and you just blame the west. Why not give all of
> India to Putin?

He isnt actually stupid enough to want it.

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 by: Rod Speed - Sun, 17 Apr 2022 19:25 UTC

On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 03:37:20 +1000, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sun, 17 Apr 2022 12:53:44 +1000, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>> On Sat, 16 Apr 2022 17:26:29 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 17 Apr 2022 09:19:56 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 16 Apr 2022 10:31:43 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sorry one article isn't evidence. Putin wants the old USSR backs
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> that can't happen.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not saying Putin in northing but a tyranical arsehole.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I do, and if he takes his shirt off for pictures again please get
>>>>>> the man a bra.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Even with the photo-shop his steroid induced tits cannot be completly
>>>>> hidden
>>>>
>>
>>>>>>> As Rod Speed has pointed out Ukraine was never about joining NATO.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, they were IMO. It was about them wanting to be more like the EU
>>>>>> and having freedoms Russians don't have.
>>>>>>
>>>>> The EU membership offered Ukrainians the opportunity to work outside
>>>>> the Ukraine. Very popular with Ukrainians who had violent protests
>>>>> when President accpeted the Russian counter offer.
>>
>>>>> The Obama/Biden government had their elected President Yanukovych
>>>>> ousted.
>>>>
>>>> Can you prove that?
>>
>> No he can't.
>>
>>> Well documented
>>
>> Nope, no documentation for that lie at all.
>>
>>> but not by your fakenews media
>>> <https://richardsonpost.com/worm/26039/the-us-is-culpable-in-todays-ukraine-crisis/?fbclid=IwAR037nMRm1t7fyf9KMZd-J_uojCKFSJFF8-xr3Tg4k8gvRQOi3KwKTQrC8I>
>>> https://tinyurl.com/y8gvpvxv
>>
>> Just because that fool claims something...
>>
>>> Many know this story, but I’d like to summarize it as succinctly as
>>> possible, using only primary and establishment media sources in hopes
>>> that this article may be persuasive and shareable to friends/family of
>>> all politics.
>>
>> In fact he did nothing of the sort.
>>
>>> The goal is not to distract from Ukrainian suffering but to inform US
>>> citizens of how their leaders often engage in harmful foreign policy
>>> so that we may refrain from electing such leaders in the future.
>>
>> Pure bullshit. Complete pack of lies.
>>
>>>>>>> They were trying to become part of the "European Union" only.
>>>>>>> Russia did not want this,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> True.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The EU offered $828 million for aid to help them do so.
>>>>>>> Russia then offered Ukraine a $15 billion loan and to cut Russian
>>>>>>> natural gas prices by almost a third. Yanukovych canceled
>>>>>>> negotiations
>>>>>>> with the EU and accepted Putin’s offer.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Then Obama/Biden had the elected Ukraine leader removed!
>>>>>>> https://youtu.be/WV9J6sxCs5k
>>>>>>> US Intervention
>>>>>>> A leaked phone call, believed to have taken place on January 28,
>>>>>>> 2014,
>>>>>>> between then US Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland and US
>>>>>>> Ambassador to Ukraine Geoffrey Pyatt revealed that Obama-admin
>>>>>>> officials were involved in a scheme to oust Ukrainian President
>>>>>>> Yanukovych and replace his administration with Western allies.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Obama is an idiot, as is Trump, and Biden. If Biden had armed
>>>>>> Ukraine before the invasion. Then, if the USA had armed them after
>>>>>> Russia took Crimea, it might have helped. Look what they have done
>>>>>> with limited aid.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Only the fakenews paints Trump as a idiot and their proparganda has
>>>>> influenced the thinking of many.
>>>>
>>>> Sorry his twitter account showed him to be an idiot.
>>
>>> Not if you actually read it
>>
>> Bullshit. In spades with his stupid press confirances and rallys.
>>
>>>>> Not reporting and still not reporting the fake election that put
>>>>> Trump
>>>>> in and made it illegal for telling the truth,
>>>>> Right now Elon Musk's bid for 100% of twitter has the fakenews and
>>>>> democrat's in a spin, can't have a single person control a large
>>>>> Social media, yet have the worst criminal in US
>>>>
>>>> Yes, theh far left does seem to be having a fit. Hope he does it
>>>> and makes twitter free again. I don't want to see it just go from
>>>> leftist to the right.
>>
>>> I follow Elon Musk a bit
>>> He loves stirring the shit with and on "establishment"
>>> Moved out of California to Texas much to do with democrat bullshit!
>>> <https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-texas-headquarters-move-from-california-officiallly-complete-elon-musk-2021-12>
>>
>>> Don't see Musk as "right" but not "Left" either.
>>
>> Matt is always stupid with his right left shit.
>
> Not always.

Yep, always.

>> Stupidly claims that I am far left.

> You are.

You are so fucking stupid, drug crazed and drunk that
you can't even manage to keep straight who said what.

>>> He owns 14% of twitter, the poison pill makes it probable he could
>>> dump those shares, causing Twitter share price to drop to bugger all!
>>
>> No chance of that.
>>
>>> This will possibly force existing share holders to sack the Twitter
>>> Board!
>>
>> Bullshit.
>>
>>> Or you think shareholders would take kindly to a board with zero
>>> interest in shareholders?
>>
>> More bullshit.
>>
>>> Twitter Share price chart whatch it dive, dive, dive, Tuesday?
>>> https://tinyurl.com/y65xxn48
>>
>> More bullshit.

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> >They should have done it peacefully, as in Czechoslovakia.
> >Now that was a great example, and not far away either.
> >But did they follow it?
> >> >
> >> >> >> >It is US that is a tyrannical monster: full of lies, violence, greed, selfishness, meanness, lechery, pollution, jails, casinos, racism, bigotry etc.
> >> >> >> >Its tyranny lies in inflicting its vile culture or lack of it upon unsuspecting outsiders.
> >> >> >> >Russia is much more positive.
> >> >> >> Almost choked on that bit of propaganda. What do you think of
> >> >> >> Australia?
> >
> >It was a UK colony and is now a US+UK colony. Not a Switzerland!
> >There was that dechucka guy here who was the perfect rep.
> >
> >> >> >More to the point, what do Australians think of US?
> >> >
> >> >> I trained with their military and they think well of the USA. The
> >> >> government may be taking a glass-half-full approach. They dislike
> >> >> China and China's support of Putin's genocide isn't helping there. The
> >> >> Marxists never liked the USA and don't really matter.
> >> >
> >> >There were massive rallies against Australian involvement in Iraq.
> >> I was against that war also.
> >
> >I am sure there are Ukrainians who want peace, but they are not represented as they have a US puppet imposed upon them.
> I believe most people want peace. I also believe most people don't
> want to live under Putin's rule. When Putin gets Ukraine will
> Moldova be next or Poland? To you, they should just surrender to that
> freaks will. Be a less than a colony to the great Russia and the new
> USSR.

Putin never said he wanted the whole of Ukraine. Just those who wanted out as in Crimea and the Donbass.
He has the support of Russians for this, not just his whim.
> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >And within the party there is freedom of thought so long as that is not treacherous.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> Treacherous is to disagree with Putin.
> >> >> >> >> >> >No, so long as you are not treacherous as his opposition usually are, being the tools of the West.
> >> >> >> >> >> Telling people there is a war and wanting peace is so very
> >> >> >> >> >> treacherous and worthy of 15 years in jail to that freak Putin.
> >> >> >> >> >It is a war for peace and security.
> >> >> >> >> >Not wanting NATO nukes pointed at your belly is an idea supported by most Russians.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >A fine system, far better than US.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> No.
> >> >> >> >> >> >Yes, to thirdworlders.
> >> >> >> >> >> Third-world countries like Russia.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >Correct, first time! Congratulations.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> Fuck Russia, it is a backward
> >> >> >> >> >> sewer, well, those that support Putin are shit. Wait, not a sewer
> >> >> >> >> >> that is too advanced, just an outhouse.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >Russia gives; US takes!
> >> >> >> >> How did the US "take" and what?
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >From India US took the top talent for generations, now. Used them for economic gain.
> >> >> >> Took them? Maybe they paid then and treated them better. Doubt
> >> >> >> they were abducted. Maybe if India wasn't such a shit hole country
> >> >> >> they would have stayed.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Of course they took them with bribes. India suffers accordingly.
> >> >> Well, do you believe they should have been forced to stay as Putin
> >> >> would have done to his people?
> >> >> >Singapore and China did not have this loss, so they prosper much better.
> >> >> China is communist, so the people may not have had choices.
> >> >> Singapore prospers because they have a high-tech industrial base and a
> >> >> good military. They are also smart in walking the fine line between
> >> >> Beijing and the US. Getting the best from both relationships.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >From Ukraine it took away peace and whatever wits they had by placing a puppet in charge.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> That was a elected leader. Well liked by the majority of the
> >> >> >> people. How long has it been since Russia had a free and open
> >> >> >> elections?
> >
> >From what I hear, some 4 years ago when Putin was re-elected.
> LOL. What a joke.
Less than your Trump and Biden hoo-ha.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Then if not a puppet - which he is - he is certainly the stupidest leader of our time, to have wrecked his country by believing in US promises.
> >> >> Then you believe he should have just surrendered to all Putin's
> >> >> demands?
> >> >
> >> >To reasonable demands, yes.
> >> Well of China wants part of OZ will you say the same?
> >
> >If we sell well, why not? They already have lots of Oz property.
> OK
> >
> >> > Became a puppet state for Putin, and gave up what the EU
> >> >> could give culturally?
> >
> >What culture? If the EU is that good whey did UK leave?
> Not because of the culture. If Russia is so great, why did all
> these countries leave it and join NATO now why is the NATO alliance
> going to get new members?

Now that is a very good question.
Brief answers:
Time magazine presenting a rosy picture of the West, very glossy and enticing.
Ignorance of the West.
Corruption of Soviet elites.
Indians were much better informed about the Soviet and West, thanks to non-alignment policies.
We can now see how wise Indian leaders were to get the best from both worlds.
And how stupid Zelensky is.

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> >What culture? If the EU is that good whey did UK leave?
> Not because of the culture. If Russia is so great, why did all
> these countries leave it and join NATO now why is the NATO alliance
> going to get new members? Maybe countries fear being the next
> Ukraine.
> >Will they want destroyed states like Ukraine to join?
> A few more are joining, even Sweden, all because of what Putin is
> doing in Ukraine.
Maybe.
> >They did not want Turkey.
> Even Turkey is against Putin's aggression.
Who is not. Point is according to Prof. Mearsheimer it is USA that is the cause of Putin's aggression.
> >If Ukraine got partitioned peacefully they would have got a good chance to join.
> Who is that freak Putin to decide this? You want or need to divide
> Ukraine go to the UN, or let the citizens of Ukraine vote on it. That
> freak isn't all-powerful.
The Ukrainians should have divided Ukraine peacefully.
Instead they became patsies.
>
> Putin just made NATO more powerful.

That is true. That evil thing for nuclear war has become stronger.
> >> >
> >> >He could have done an India, got non-aligned, and benefited like India did from both sides.

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On Monday, 18 April 2022 at 02:31:06 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Apr 2022 06:48:54 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >> >> >From India US took the top talent for generations, now. Used them for economic gain.
> >> >> Took them? Maybe they paid then and treated them better.
> >
> >
> >They paid them their wages without having to give them their basic and higher education.
> >That is theft.
> Then you believe the people are owned by the State of India? No
> wonder you support Putin.
> >
> > Doubt
> >> >> they were abducted. Maybe if India wasn't such a shit hole country
> >> >> they would have stayed.
> >
> >If they had stayed India would have been the world's greatest power, much more than US.

I have no doubts. Indians do so well outside India.
If good people were in charge, of high calibre, they would have made India much richer and powerful.
As it was for thousands of years, till foreign invasions.

> Possibly. Who knows, I can't read possible futures. Maybe if
> India could remove its caste system it would be a better power, its
> love of gang rapes, or its religious violence. That or clean up the
> polluted Ganges. India has a few problems and yes, so does the USA.
> Also, notice some of India's news services are reporting on the war
> crimes of Putin.

Bad things happen as the elites of India are a mediocre lot, mainly because the system is anti-merit.
Giving all obnoxious Western thoughts about India the heave-ho, is the necessary first step.
(Like I flush all Rod's posts, on sight.)
Understanding India from genuine Indian sources is the next.
Then finding a good, great Maharana to give the land a huge boost forward.
> >> >Of course they took them with bribes. India suffers accordingly.
> >
> >> Well, do you believe they should have been forced to stay as Putin
> >> would have done to his people?
> >
> >They were sent to study, and then return with better knowledge.
> They did study and learned enough not to want to go back. Did the
> State of India pay for them?
> >Instead they were given better jobs, so they did not return.
> They had that right.
> >Yes, India had a bad government which did not do enough. It was influenced by foreign interests who did their best to pull down or export talent.
> Always blame others, they do that in America also. Try taking some
> personal responsibility and fixing things.

I have done much more than my share.
Like getting the likes of Mamata and Modi into power, with my online activity. They are not good but at least they have local support and not prey to foreign interests.
And much else I have done, over the last 44 years. A very long story.
So slowly things are changing in India.

> >Indian elites, principally the professors, are careerists who suck up to the West.
> Maybe they just know that Putin's system really sucks.
> >Yes, had the brilliant people been forced to remain in India by diktat they would have been forced to do good to India.
> Yes I can see you are a Putin supporter. You a terrorist?

You a stupid piece of shit?
So common, these days thanks to bad education and negative culture.
> >> >Singapore and China did not have this loss, so they prosper much better.
> >> China is communist, so the people may not have had choices.
> >
> >I find that China also becomes capitalist in West's eyes, when that suits.
> >Basically they have their own system which works for them.

> Yes it does and what they do IMO within their country is for them
> to decide. What OZ does within it borders also. If Iran would keep to
> itself even them.
> >
> >> Singapore prospers because they have a high-tech industrial base and a
> >> good military. They are also smart in walking the fine line between
> >> Beijing and the US. Getting the best from both relationships.
> >
> >Unlike India, they have a meritocratic system which has made them first world, so no need to emigrate.
> >Indian system is anti-merit.
> India has problems and you just blame the west. Why not give all of
> India to Putin?

Putin would want me to be another Putin, or Xi, and thus lead India to greatness.

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On Sun, 17 Apr 2022 14:04:05 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
<banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
>> >They should have done it peacefully, as in Czechoslovakia.
>> >Now that was a great example, and not far away either.
>> >But did they follow it?
>> >> >
>> >> >> >> >It is US that is a tyrannical monster: full of lies, violence, greed, selfishness, meanness, lechery, pollution, jails, casinos, racism, bigotry etc.
>> >> >> >> >Its tyranny lies in inflicting its vile culture or lack of it upon unsuspecting outsiders.
>> >> >> >> >Russia is much more positive.
>> >> >> >> Almost choked on that bit of propaganda. What do you think of
>> >> >> >> Australia?
>> >
>> >It was a UK colony and is now a US+UK colony. Not a Switzerland!
>> >There was that dechucka guy here who was the perfect rep.
>> >
>> >> >> >More to the point, what do Australians think of US?
>> >> >
>> >> >> I trained with their military and they think well of the USA. The
>> >> >> government may be taking a glass-half-full approach. They dislike
>> >> >> China and China's support of Putin's genocide isn't helping there. The
>> >> >> Marxists never liked the USA and don't really matter.
>> >> >
>> >> >There were massive rallies against Australian involvement in Iraq.
>> >> I was against that war also.
>> >
>> >I am sure there are Ukrainians who want peace, but they are not represented as they have a US puppet imposed upon them.
>> I believe most people want peace. I also believe most people don't
>> want to live under Putin's rule. When Putin gets Ukraine will
>> Moldova be next or Poland? To you, they should just surrender to that
>> freaks will. Be a less than a colony to the great Russia and the new
>> USSR.
>
>Putin never said he wanted the whole of Ukraine. Just those who wanted out as in Crimea and the Donbass.
>He has the support of Russians for this, not just his whim.

I believe that was his original goal, he just forgot the great
Russian army were wimps.

>> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >And within the party there is freedom of thought so long as that is not treacherous.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> Treacherous is to disagree with Putin.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >No, so long as you are not treacherous as his opposition usually are, being the tools of the West.
>> >> >> >> >> >> Telling people there is a war and wanting peace is so very
>> >> >> >> >> >> treacherous and worthy of 15 years in jail to that freak Putin.
>> >> >> >> >> >It is a war for peace and security.
>> >> >> >> >> >Not wanting NATO nukes pointed at your belly is an idea supported by most Russians.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >A fine system, far better than US.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> No.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >Yes, to thirdworlders.
>> >> >> >> >> >> Third-world countries like Russia.
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >Correct, first time! Congratulations.
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> Fuck Russia, it is a backward
>> >> >> >> >> >> sewer, well, those that support Putin are shit. Wait, not a sewer
>> >> >> >> >> >> that is too advanced, just an outhouse.
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >Russia gives; US takes!
>> >> >> >> >> How did the US "take" and what?
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >From India US took the top talent for generations, now. Used them for economic gain.
>> >> >> >> Took them? Maybe they paid then and treated them better. Doubt
>> >> >> >> they were abducted. Maybe if India wasn't such a shit hole country
>> >> >> >> they would have stayed.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Of course they took them with bribes. India suffers accordingly.
>> >> >> Well, do you believe they should have been forced to stay as Putin
>> >> >> would have done to his people?
>> >> >> >Singapore and China did not have this loss, so they prosper much better.
>> >> >> China is communist, so the people may not have had choices.
>> >> >> Singapore prospers because they have a high-tech industrial base and a
>> >> >> good military. They are also smart in walking the fine line between
>> >> >> Beijing and the US. Getting the best from both relationships.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >From Ukraine it took away peace and whatever wits they had by placing a puppet in charge.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> That was a elected leader. Well liked by the majority of the
>> >> >> >> people. How long has it been since Russia had a free and open
>> >> >> >> elections?
>> >
>> >From what I hear, some 4 years ago when Putin was re-elected.
>> LOL. What a joke.
>Less than your Trump and Biden hoo-ha.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Then if not a puppet - which he is - he is certainly the stupidest leader of our time, to have wrecked his country by believing in US promises.
>> >> >> Then you believe he should have just surrendered to all Putin's
>> >> >> demands?
>> >> >
>> >> >To reasonable demands, yes.
>> >> Well of China wants part of OZ will you say the same?
>> >
>> >If we sell well, why not? They already have lots of Oz property.
>> OK
>> >
>> >> > Became a puppet state for Putin, and gave up what the EU
>> >> >> could give culturally?
>> >
>> >What culture? If the EU is that good whey did UK leave?
>> Not because of the culture. If Russia is so great, why did all
>> these countries leave it and join NATO now why is the NATO alliance
>> going to get new members?
>
>Now that is a very good question.
>Brief answers:
>Time magazine presenting a rosy picture of the West, very glossy and enticing.
>Ignorance of the West.
>Corruption of Soviet elites.
>Indians were much better informed about the Soviet and West, thanks to non-alignment policies.

I've been reading some of your news from Indian sources. Seems you
might not be in the Majority.

>We can now see how wise Indian leaders were to get the best from both worlds.

Don't know if what they are doing is good long term. American
companies will be leaving.

>And how stupid Zelensky is.

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On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 05:23:27 +1000, "Rod Speed"
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>On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 02:31:02 +1000, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 17 Apr 2022 06:48:54 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>> <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>> >> >From India US took the top talent for generations, now. Used them
>>>> for economic gain.
>>>> >> Took them? Maybe they paid then and treated them better.
>>>
>>>
>>> They paid them their wages without having to give them their basic and
>>> higher education.
>>> That is theft.
>>
>> Then you believe the people are owned by the State of India? No
>> wonder you support Putin.
>>>
>>> Doubt
>>>> >> they were abducted. Maybe if India wasn't such a shit hole country
>>>> >> they would have stayed.
>>>
>>> If they had stayed India would have been the world's greatest power,
>>> much more than US.
>
>> Possibly.
>
>Not a chance.

I believe you are right but don't like absolutes I can't prove.
>
>> Who knows,
>
>Anyone with even half a fucking clue.
>
>> I can't read possible futures.
>
>Or even manage to work out who said what in here.

LOL
>
>> Maybe if
>> India could remove its caste system it would be a better power, its
>> love of gang rapes, or its religious violence. That or clean up the
>> polluted Ganges.
>
>And provide dunnys so the buggers don't have to shit on the ground
>in full view of everyone.

True.
>
>> India has a few problems and yes, so does the USA.
>> Also, notice some of India's news services are reporting on the war
>> crimes of Putin.
>
>All of them are.

Wonder what news sources Arindam Banerjee believes to be honest and
unbiased.
>
>>>> >Of course they took them with bribes. India suffers accordingly.
>>>
>>>> Well, do you believe they should have been forced to stay as Putin
>>>> would have done to his people?
>>>
>>> They were sent to study, and then return with better knowledge.
>>
>> They did study and learned enough not to want to go back. Did the
>> State of India pay for them?
>
>Nope.
>
>>> Instead they were given better jobs, so they did not return.
>>
>> They had that right.
>>> Yes, India had a bad government which did not do enough. It was
>>> influenced by foreign interests who did their best to pull down or
>>> export talent.
>>
>> Always blame others, they do that in America also. Try taking some
>> personal responsibility and fixing things.
>>
>>> Indian elites, principally the professors, are careerists who suck up
>>> to the West.
>>
>> Maybe they just know that Putin's system really sucks.
>>
>>> Yes, had the brilliant people been forced to remain in India by diktat
>>> they would have been forced to do good to India.
>>
>> Yes I can see you are a Putin supporter. You a terrorist?
>>
>>>
>>>> >Singapore and China did not have this loss, so they prosper much
>>>> better.
>>>> China is communist, so the people may not have had choices.
>>>
>>> I find that China also becomes capitalist in West's eyes, when that
>>> suits.
>>> Basically they have their own system which works for them.
>>
>> Yes it does and what they do IMO within their country is for them
>> to decide. What OZ does within it borders also. If Iran would keep to
>> itself even them.
>>>
>>>> Singapore prospers because they have a high-tech industrial base and a
>>>> good military. They are also smart in walking the fine line between
>>>> Beijing and the US. Getting the best from both relationships.
>>>
>>> Unlike India, they have a meritocratic system which has made them first
>>> world, so no need to emigrate.
>>> Indian system is anti-merit.
>>
>> India has problems and you just blame the west. Why not give all of
>> India to Putin?
>
>He isnt actually stupid enough to want it.

:-))

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>
>> >What culture? If the EU is that good whey did UK leave?
>> Not because of the culture. If Russia is so great, why did all
>> these countries leave it and join NATO now why is the NATO alliance
>> going to get new members? Maybe countries fear being the next
>> Ukraine.
>> >Will they want destroyed states like Ukraine to join?
>> A few more are joining, even Sweden, all because of what Putin is
>> doing in Ukraine.
>Maybe.
>> >They did not want Turkey.
>> Even Turkey is against Putin's aggression.
>Who is not. Point is according to Prof. Mearsheimer it is USA that is the cause of Putin's aggression.
>> >If Ukraine got partitioned peacefully they would have got a good chance to join.
>> Who is that freak Putin to decide this? You want or need to divide
>> Ukraine go to the UN, or let the citizens of Ukraine vote on it. That
>> freak isn't all-powerful.
>The Ukrainians should have divided Ukraine peacefully.
>Instead they became patsies.
>>
>> Putin just made NATO more powerful.
>
>That is true. That evil thing for nuclear war has become stronger.

True and I believe Putin is unbalanced enough to start one thinking
Biden won't respond.
>> >> >
>> >> >He could have done an India, got non-aligned, and benefited like India did from both sides.

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> >
> >Nothing much, just that you were the one making money figures to be such a big deal.
> It,would be a big deal for all those that lost jobs.

Plenty of jobs will be there when good and clever people are in charge, not the cowardly and the corrupt.

> >They are important - if correct -but there are things more important. Like interests, resolve, results, ideals, styles, health, happiness.
> >Not all follow the goals of robbers and prostitutes.
> people need to work. You can't all live off the work of others AKA
> the State.

True. The famous Protestant ethic for work, now forgotten, did not mean making money from robberies and prostitution.

> >> >
> >> >> I'm sure there are countries that would spit on
> >> >> India rather than lose US business.
> >> >
> >> >Not countries - corrupt, weak individuals running things like business, governments, media, etc.
> >> So non-communist?
> >> >
> >> >> I'm sure there are many in India
> >> >> that would spit on you for even suggesting it.
> >> >
> >> >Please do not think Indians to be as rude as you naturally are, as an American.
> >> Some are like the gang rapist and the government officials who for
> >> so long allowed that.
> >> >India is a real democracy, unlike the US, a corrupt oligarchy.
> >> Sure it is.
> >> >And what with our timeless civilisation and supreme culture - most polite, especially to strangers.
> >> >In India people take opinions widely different from their own, gracefully.
> >> >Tolerance works like that.
> >> Tell that to those of the lower Caste systems.
> >
> >They know that.
> >
> >> >So we do not spit at each other.
> >
> >> Not even on what you call Untouchables?
> >
> >No.
> >These days so-called untouchables are the kings.
> >They have many special privileges such as reservations. This has gone on from the 1950s and is the most deeply entrenched aspect of Indian democracy.
> >The President of India is a so-called untouchable.
> >Untouchability has been illegal since India got independence.
> >Not that it ever was a big deal. Hardly. It was made out to be so by the missionary types in their conversion attempts.
> >By and large people ignore what does not concern them.
> >The press picks up on the inevitable bad news. Out of 1400 million people, something bad can always be found.
> Interesting. So all is well and all are treated equally.

No, things could be a lot better.
Yes there is equality before law, unless you are low caste or tribal, in which case you get plenty of benefits such as reservations in studies and jobs.
> >> >Which is why we have such brilliant diversity in India. Chaotic, but mutually supportive.
> >> >We do not wear baseball caps, eat hot dogs, and claim loudly that we are the best!
> >> >For the life of the genuine Indian is based upon morality.
> >> >Satyam Shivan Sundaram - Truth Goodness Beauty - strictly in descending order of importance.
> >> Parts were nice, parts were shit, and smelled of such. But I
> >> believe most would not agree with you on ditching all relationships
> >> with the USA.
> >
> >Only till the USAns become far more civilized, and stop their disgusting lying and scheming for money gains. In the meantime the Indians should at least ban or place high tariffs on anything cultural from US. Ban all Hollywood, news, noise they call music etc.
> Ban the NEWS, how Putin of you. Ban Music because you don't like it
> but others do, how Putin of you.

From the US, an evil terrorist nation, yes, do ban all their news and noise..
As Prof Mearsheimer says, USA is to blame for the trouble in Ukraine.
Staying away from the US is healthy.

> Lose billions just for your personal
> agenda that many would not support, who do you think you are Putin?

I am into making quintillions from my brilliant new ideas, over the coming centuries, ideas that the world at large is yet to appreciate.
I am thus much more than Putin, being
Arindam (bin Einstein ban Gandhi) Banerjee, greatest genius of all time, sole god among lotsa devils
as I have been saying and proving for decades
and as for proof
I am
absolutely shunned even by your nosy media nor put into any asylum
for my points are incontrovertible, being correct.

So as expected they ignore my brief proof of the FLT!

heh-heh

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 by: Petzl - Sun, 17 Apr 2022 22:47 UTC

On Sun, 17 Apr 2022 04:03:58 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
<banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:

>> >To reasonable demands, yes.
>> Well of China wants part of OZ will you say the same?
>
>Not if they do not pay for it, as China is in no position to make a military attack.
>They already have lots of Oz through purchase. They drove up the house prices here in Melbourne.
>Oz is always up for sale, so long as sovereignty remains.
>Petz I think knows more about this, I am not too concerned about who owns what in the great game.
>Peace is what I am after.
>
Called taking over the world without firing a shot, just big bank
accounts, China owns Joe Biden's Democrats as exam[le
>> >
>> > Became a puppet state for Putin, and gave up what the EU
>> >> could give culturally?
>> >
>> >He could have done an India, got non-aligned, and benefited like India did from both sides.
>But Zelensky is an ignorant fool. Did not study, knows nothing about world politics, so is an useful puppet.
>Nations suffer when useless people are in charge.

the Ukraine's enemies have been their own crooked corrupt "smart
people" the same everywhere

Pay to watch this it's about smart people!
https://youtu.be/g3tBK55iFW4
Dean Martin & Goldie Hawn - Smart People?
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 by: Rod Speed - Sun, 17 Apr 2022 22:56 UTC

Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
> Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote

>>>> To reasonable demands, yes.

>>> Well of China wants part of OZ will you say the same?

>> Not if they do not pay for it, as China is in no position to make a
>> military attack.

>> They already have lots of Oz through purchase. They drove up the house
>> prices here in Melbourne.

>> Oz is always up for sale, so long as sovereignty remains.

That's not true either, there are significant controls
on foreigners buying our residential property.

>> Petz I think knows more about this, I am not too concerned about who
>> owns what in the great game.

>> Peace is what I am after.

> Called taking over the world without firing a shot,

There is no way that China will take over the world that way.

Fools ran the same line about Japan at one time.

> just big bank
> accounts, China owns Joe Biden's Democrats as exam[le

Even sillier than you usually manage and that's saying something.

>>> > Became a puppet state for Putin, and gave up what the EU
>>> >> could give culturally?

>>> >He could have done an India, got non-aligned, and benefited like

>>> India did from both sides.

>> But Zelensky is an ignorant fool. Did not study, knows nothing about
>> world politics, so is an useful puppet.

>> Nations suffer when useless people are in charge.

> the Ukraine's enemies have been their own crooked corrupt "smart
> people" the same everywhere

> Pay to watch this it's about smart people!
> https://youtu.be/g3tBK55iFW4
> Dean Martin & Goldie Hawn - Smart People?

Just because some fool claims something...

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 by: Petzl - Sun, 17 Apr 2022 22:56 UTC

On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 05:01:57 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote
>
>> But Zelensky is an ignorant fool.
>
>> Did not study,
>
>Another of your bare faced pig ignorant lies.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volodymyr_Zelenskyy#Early_life
>
>> knows nothing about world politics, so is an useful puppet.
>
>He's no puppet, liar.
>
Got to where he is by being funny
https://youtu.be/AhLWKebi-Uo
>
>> Nations suffer when useless people are in charge.
>
>Yep, India proves that in spades.
>
But Arindam Banerjee thinks he's clever?
https://youtu.be/g3tBK55iFW4
Dean Martin & Goldie Hawn - Smart People?
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 by: Petzl - Sun, 17 Apr 2022 23:06 UTC

On Sun, 17 Apr 2022 14:04:05 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
<banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:

>Putin never said he wanted the whole of Ukraine. Just those who wanted out as in Crimea and the Donbass.
>He has the support of Russians for this, not just his whim.
>
Arindam Banerjee thinks he is smart believes
"Russia will not invade Ukraine" Putin
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 by: Rod Speed - Sun, 17 Apr 2022 23:07 UTC

Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote

>> >Nothing much, just that you were the one making money figures to be
>> such a big deal.

>> It,would be a big deal for all those that lost jobs.

> Plenty of jobs will be there when good and clever people are in charge,

No politician is ever that.

> not the cowardly and the corrupt.

Like you. India was proven to be utterly corrupt during the Commonwealth
games.

>> >They are important - if correct -but there are things more important.

>> Like interests, resolve, results, ideals, styles, health, happiness.
>> >Not all follow the goals of robbers and prostitutes.
>> people need to work. You can't all live off the work of others AKA
>> the State.

> True. The famous Protestant ethic for work, now forgotten,

Bullshit has been.

> did not mean making money from robberies and prostitution.

>> >> >
>> >> >> I'm sure there are countries that would spit on
>> >> >> India rather than lose US business.
>> >> >
>> >> >Not countries - corrupt, weak individuals running things like
>> business, governments, media, etc.
>> >> So non-communist?
>> >> >
>> >> >> I'm sure there are many in India
>> >> >> that would spit on you for even suggesting it.
>> >> >
>> >> >Please do not think Indians to be as rude as you naturally are, as
>> an American.
>> >> Some are like the gang rapist and the government officials who for
>> >> so long allowed that.
>> >> >India is a real democracy, unlike the US, a corrupt oligarchy.
>> >> Sure it is.
>> >> >And what with our timeless civilisation and supreme culture - most
>> polite, especially to strangers.
>> >> >In India people take opinions widely different from their own,
>> gracefully.
>> >> >Tolerance works like that.
>> >> Tell that to those of the lower Caste systems.
>> >
>> >They know that.
>> >
>> >> >So we do not spit at each other.
>> >
>> >> Not even on what you call Untouchables?
>> >
>> >No.
>> >These days so-called untouchables are the kings.
>> >They have many special privileges such as reservations. This has gone
>> on from the 1950s and is the most deeply entrenched aspect of Indian
>> democracy.
>> >The President of India is a so-called untouchable.
>> >Untouchability has been illegal since India got independence.
>> >Not that it ever was a big deal. Hardly. It was made out to be so by
>> the missionary types in their conversion attempts.
>> >By and large people ignore what does not concern them.
>> >The press picks up on the inevitable bad news. Out of 1400 million
>> people, something bad can always be found.

>> Interesting. So all is well and all are treated equally.

> No, things could be a lot better.

That's always true.

> Yes there is equality before law, unless you are low caste or tribal, in
> which case you get plenty of benefits such as reservations in studies
> and jobs.

And the Brahmins kill them anyway.

>> >> >Which is why we have such brilliant diversity in India. Chaotic,
>> but mutually supportive.
>> >> >We do not wear baseball caps, eat hot dogs, and claim loudly that
>> we are the best!
>> >> >For the life of the genuine Indian is based upon morality.
>> >> >Satyam Shivan Sundaram - Truth Goodness Beauty - strictly in
>> descending order of importance.
>> >> Parts were nice, parts were shit, and smelled of such. But I
>> >> believe most would not agree with you on ditching all relationships
>> >> with the USA.
>> >
>> >Only till the USAns become far more civilized, and stop their
>> disgusting lying and scheming for money gains. In the meantime the
>> Indians should at least ban or place high tariffs on anything cultural
>> from US. Ban all Hollywood, news, noise they call music etc.

>> Ban the NEWS, how Putin of you. Ban Music because you don't like it
>> but others do, how Putin of you.

> From the US, an evil terrorist nation, yes, do ban all their news and
> noise.
> As Prof Mearsheimer says, USA is to blame for the trouble in Ukraine.
> Staying away from the US is healthy.
>
>> Lose billions just for your personal
>> agenda that many would not support, who do you think you are Putin?
>
> I am into making quintillions from my brilliant new ideas,

Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed drunken fantasys.

<reams of your even more drunken drug crazed fantasys flushed where it
belongs>

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 by: Rod Speed - Sun, 17 Apr 2022 23:09 UTC

Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
> Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote

>>> >What culture? If the EU is that good whey did UK leave?

>>> Not because of the culture. If Russia is so great, why did all
>>> these countries leave it and join NATO now why is the NATO alliance
>>> going to get new members? Maybe countries fear being the next
>>> Ukraine.

>>> >Will they want destroyed states like Ukraine to join?

>>> A few more are joining, even Sweden, all because of what Putin is
>>> doing in Ukraine.

>> Maybe.

>>> >They did not want Turkey.

>>> Even Turkey is against Putin's aggression.

>> Who is not. Point is according to Prof. Mearsheimer it is USA that is
>> the cause of Putin's aggression.

>>> >If Ukraine got partitioned peacefully they would have got a good
>>> chance to join.

>>> Who is that freak Putin to decide this? You want or need to divide
>>> Ukraine go to the UN, or let the citizens of Ukraine vote on it. That
>>> freak isn't all-powerful.

>> The Ukrainians should have divided Ukraine peacefully.

>> Instead they became patsies.

>>> Putin just made NATO more powerful.

>> That is true. That evil thing for nuclear war has become stronger.

> True and I believe Putin is unbalanced enough to start one thinking
> Biden won't respond.

I doubt he is that stupid. It's pure bluff, stupid.

>>> >> >He could have done an India, got non-aligned, and benefited like
>>> India did from both sides.

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