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* The missing context*Ördög*
`* The missing contextPetzl
 `- The missing context* Ördög * - - the Petz Buster -

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The missing context

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From: Belphe...@666.Hell.invalid.com (*Ördög*)
Newsgroups: aus.politics
Subject: The missing context
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2022 02:16:59 -0000 (UTC)
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 by: *Ördög* - Wed, 20 Apr 2022 02:16 UTC

*Missing Historical Context of Ukraine Invasion - Chris Hedges and Richard
Wolff*
/Democracy At Work/
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFgCJejVtFE>

"Journalist Chris Hedges remembers covering the fall of the Soviet Union
and events leading to the Russian invasion of Ukraine, while commenting on
the difficulty of reporting on historical context in today's polarized
mainstream media environment.

"Refitting Soviet bloc countries with NATO military equipment was a multi-
billion dollar bonanza... But try and provide that kind of historical
context within the mainstream media and of course you're shut out because
it is, you're right, it's all emotionally driven, it's about self-
adulation... I just want to be clear, I condemned at the inception the
invasion of Ukraine." - Chris Hedges

This is a clip from S12 E15 of Economic Update: "Ukraine & An Empire's
Decline"
Watch the full episode on our YouTube channel
at <https://youtu.be/DTMLvTYlg20>
~~~

Those who are only capable of binary thinking the above video shows all
the shades of gray in the Ukraine war.

As far as the war itself is concerned nothing excuses Putin's actions but
regardless how this crisis eventually ends, Europe has a real mess to sort
out before it can achieve a lasting peace in that region.
Wars tend to cast far reaching shadows for decades on the prospect for
peace and economic/social well being of follow up generations.
That was the case after World War 1 and 2, just as it was the case with
the Cold War against the USSR. Europe is still paying the price in
destruction and loss of lives...first in the Balkans and now in Ukraine.

One would wish that leading politicians understood and learned fro
mistakes of the past.

--
Ördög - - The newsgroup Devil at your service.

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 by: Petzl - Wed, 20 Apr 2022 02:39 UTC

On Wed, 20 Apr 2022 02:16:59 -0000 (UTC), *Ördög*
<Belphegor@666.Hell.invalid.com> wrote:

>*Missing Historical Context of Ukraine Invasion - Chris Hedges and Richard
>Wolff*
>/Democracy At Work/
>
just lying Commie crap as usual
--
Petzl
There is no difference between communism and socialism,
except in the means of achieving the same ultimate end:
communism proposes to enslave men by force,
socialism - by vote.
It is merely the difference between murder and suicide.

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Petz's latest Goon-bag-fumes delusions:

> Ördög
**************************************************************************
*Missing Historical Context of Ukraine Invasion - Chris Hedges and Richard
Wolff*
/Democracy At Work/
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFgCJejVtFE>

"Journalist Chris Hedges remembers covering the fall of the Soviet Union
and events leading to the Russian invasion of Ukraine, while commenting on
the difficulty of reporting on historical context in today's polarized
mainstream media environment.

"Refitting Soviet bloc countries with NATO military equipment was a multi-
billion dollar bonanza... But try and provide that kind of historical
context within the mainstream media and of course you're shut out because
it is, you're right, it's all emotionally driven, it's about self-
adulation... I just want to be clear, I condemned at the inception the
invasion of Ukraine." - Chris Hedges

This is a clip from S12 E15 of Economic Update: "Ukraine & An Empire's
Decline"
Watch the full episode on our YouTube channel at
<https://youtu.be/DTMLvTYlg20>
**************************************************************************
>>
> just lying Commie crap as usual

As expected Petz's GoonBags lubricated mind immediately short-circuited
seeing my post.

Yep, there was not a single word related to communism I've posted, nor
what Christopher Hedges said in the video on the Ukraine invasion...but
hey, Petz's sick and inebriated brain has transmogrified the content into
instant alt-right insanity outrage.

~~~
~~~
Busting Petz's idiotic hate propaganda sig is as follows:

> There is no difference between communism and socialism, ...

Shows how little you know about economics, politics and political
ideologies. So what the fuck are you actually doing in a political
newsgroup?

> ... except in the means of achieving the same ultimate end:
> communism proposes to enslave men by force, socialism - by vote.
>

Properly educated people know that communism (the ideology, and not its
USSR implementation) propose a stateless, money less and classless
society. So w/o a slaver there can be no enslavement.

Anyhow, Petz as usual regurgitates a totally uninformed far-right
B U L L S H I T mantra!
To a rational person I'd try to explain why what you posted was utter
rubbish, but in your case what'd be the point wasting my time and energy.

OK, OK, for sane readers (only) I still provide a couple of links:

<https://www.diffen.com/difference/Communism_vs_Socialism>

<https://byjus.com/free-ias-prep/difference-between-communism-capitalism-
and-socialism/>

<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyl2DeKT-Vs>

>
> It is merely the difference between murder and suicide.
>

More B U L L S H I T accusations of the alt-right kind!

However what certain is:
The society you actually idolise and so badly wish for Petz dear is a
dystopian fascist theocratic nightmare, which offers nobody beyond a tiny
minority at the top of the food-chain any freedom, personal integrity,
hope and happiness.

< https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/
The_Handmaid%E2%80%99s_Tale_%E2%80%93_Der_Report_der_Magd>
~~

--
Ördög - -
The real one (Your scary shadow that says "Booo" in the dark)

Don't argue with the alt-right terrorism apologist/supporters, the
neocons and neo-liberals, the hard-right, the misogynist and white
supremacist racist creeps, all of those Trump's deplorables, idiots like
Petz and his fellow septic and OZ crazies.
They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!
<http://www.loonwatch.com/category/anti-loons/>

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