<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7tKXMYzwW4>
TV news about this

<https://youtu.be/bzAUX9DkrVY>
passenger safety video
--
Petzl
Good lawyers know the law
Great lawyers know the judge

Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote

> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7tKXMYzwW4>
> TV news about this

Just more mindless sales bullshit.

On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 06:15:56 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7tKXMYzwW4>
>> TV news about this
>
>Just more mindless sales bullshit.
>
$20 and 20 minutes from Sydney Harbour to Newcastle
The planes are limited from harbour to harbour
A hour from Sydney/Botany to Melbourne harbour.
Think it may have possibilities.
Guessing the price but are really cheap (25% the cost) compared to
passenger jets, 4 times quicker than road or 8 times than a train.
--
Petzl
Good lawyers know the law
Great lawyers know the judge

On 25/9/2022 9:22 am, Petzl wrote:
> On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 06:15:56 +1000, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>
>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7tKXMYzwW4>
>>> TV news about this
>>
>> Just more mindless sales bullshit.
>>
> $20 and 20 minutes from Sydney Harbour to Newcastle
> The planes are limited from harbour to harbour
> A hour from Sydney/Botany to Melbourne harbour.

Pure fantasy since they supposed only fly over water, the route Syd to
Melb over water is considerably longer than over land and that takes
about an hour.

> Think it may have possibilities.

Maybe ok for short haul flights or tourist transport, can't see it being
of any use on major commuter routes.

> Guessing the price but are really cheap (25% the cost) compared to
> passenger jets, 4 times quicker than road or 8 times than a train.

See above, not that fast at all if they have to fly over water.

--
Daryl

On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 09:56:21 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
wrote:

>On 25/9/2022 9:22 am, Petzl wrote:
>> On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 06:15:56 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>
>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7tKXMYzwW4>
>>>> TV news about this
>>>
>>> Just more mindless sales bullshit.
>>>
>> $20 and 20 minutes from Sydney Harbour to Newcastle
>> The planes are limited from harbour to harbour
>> A hour from Sydney/Botany to Melbourne harbour.
>
>Pure fantasy since they supposed only fly over water, the route Syd to
>Melb over water is considerably longer than over land and that takes
>about an hour.
>
They fly at 320 km/h, 10 metres above water

>> Think it may have possibilities.
>
>Maybe ok for short haul flights or tourist transport, can't see it being
>of any use on major commuter routes.
>
Some of the Planes the NZ fleet is buying seats a 100 passengers (all
economy Qantas seat 180) at 320km/h should be in Melbourne/St Kilda
under 2.5 hours.

>> Guessing the price but are really cheap (25% the cost) compared to
>> passenger jets, 4 times quicker than road or 8 times than a train.
>
>See above, not that fast at all if they have to fly over water.
>
Thought so at first but worked out their speed is around 320 km/h?
Altitude 10 metres above water.
Distance from Auckland to Whangarei 160 km according to google search
they do in 30 minutes for NZ$30.
Turn captions on.
And read CC text
https://youtu.be/F7tKXMYzwW4

They will need jetties to board/disembark passengers probably
Botany/St Kilda, but Sydney harbour is on list they already have sea
planes leaving Rose bay.
Don't know the range of these electric sea planes though.
Have heard Auckland to Christchurch is on their list 763 Km's?
--
Petzl
Good lawyers know the law
Great lawyers know the judge

On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 10:36:09 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 09:56:21 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
>wrote:
>
>>On 25/9/2022 9:22 am, Petzl wrote:
>>> On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 06:15:56 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>
>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7tKXMYzwW4>
>>>>> TV news about this
>>>>
>>>> Just more mindless sales bullshit.
>>>>
>>> $20 and 20 minutes from Sydney Harbour to Newcastle
>>> The planes are limited from harbour to harbour
>>> A hour from Sydney/Botany to Melbourne harbour.
>>
>>Pure fantasy since they supposed only fly over water, the route Syd to
>>Melb over water is considerably longer than over land and that takes
>>about an hour.
>>
>They fly at 320 km/h, 10 metres above water
>
>>> Think it may have possibilities.
>>
>>Maybe ok for short haul flights or tourist transport, can't see it being
>>of any use on major commuter routes.
>>
>Some of the Planes the NZ fleet is buying seats a 100 passengers (all
>economy Qantas seat 180) at 320km/h should be in Melbourne/St Kilda
>under 2.5 hours.
>
>>> Guessing the price but are really cheap (25% the cost) compared to
>>> passenger jets, 4 times quicker than road or 8 times than a train.
>>
>>See above, not that fast at all if they have to fly over water.
>>
>Thought so at first but worked out their speed is around 320 km/h?
>Altitude 10 metres above water.
>Distance from Auckland to Whangarei 160 km according to google search
>they do in 30 minutes for NZ$30.
>Turn captions on.
>And read CC text
>https://youtu.be/F7tKXMYzwW4
>
>They will need jetties to board/disembark passengers probably
>Botany/St Kilda, but Sydney harbour is on list they already have sea
>planes leaving Rose bay.
>Don't know the range of these electric sea planes though.
>Have heard Auckland to Christchurch is on their list 763 Km's?

Did some more poking.
"up to 800km at nearly 540kph in the 100-seater Monarchs using
existing battery technology."
<https://www.oceanflyer.co.nz/#:~:text=Achieving%20aircraft%20speeds%20at%20a,Monarchs%20using%20existing%20battery%20technology.>
https://tinyurl.com/2pnn2teq
SPEED & EFFICIENCY
Achieving aircraft speeds at a fraction of the operating cost, the
Ocean Flyer seagliders will transport passengers and cargo over
distances of up to 300km at nearly 300kph in the 12-seater Viceroys
and up to 800km at nearly 540kph in the 100-seater Monarchs using
existing battery technology.
--
Petzl
Good lawyers know the law
Great lawyers know the judge

On 25/9/2022 10:36 am, Petzl wrote:
> On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 09:56:21 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
> wrote:
>
>> On 25/9/2022 9:22 am, Petzl wrote:
>>> On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 06:15:56 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>
>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7tKXMYzwW4>
>>>>> TV news about this
>>>>
>>>> Just more mindless sales bullshit.
>>>>
>>> $20 and 20 minutes from Sydney Harbour to Newcastle
>>> The planes are limited from harbour to harbour
>>> A hour from Sydney/Botany to Melbourne harbour.
>>
>> Pure fantasy since they supposed only fly over water, the route Syd to
>> Melb over water is considerably longer than over land and that takes
>> about an hour.
>>
> They fly at 320 km/h, 10 metres above water
>
>>> Think it may have possibilities.
>>
>> Maybe ok for short haul flights or tourist transport, can't see it being
>> of any use on major commuter routes.
>>
> Some of the Planes the NZ fleet is buying seats a 100 passengers (all
> economy Qantas seat 180) at 320km/h should be in Melbourne/St Kilda
> under 2.5 hours.

Very unlikely, the distance over water would be more than 1200km, by
road its 889km plus the chances of the Govt allowing anyone to "fly"
10mts above Port Phillip Bay at 320kph is zero simply because there are
too many ships and boats on the bay.
I'd estimate the trip would take between 4 and 5hrs allowing for having
to go a lot slower at either end plus the extra distance over water.

--
Daryl

Rod Speed wrote:
=================
>

> > <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7tKXMYzwW4>
> > TV news about this
>
> Just more mindless sales bullshit.

** The whole thing is a 100% scam.
If the crude use of models and CGI is not enough to warn you the sheer implausibility of the mad scheme ought to.

" Ye canne break the laws of Physics... "

...... Phil

On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 11:13:50 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
wrote:

>On 25/9/2022 10:36 am, Petzl wrote:
>> On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 09:56:21 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 25/9/2022 9:22 am, Petzl wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 06:15:56 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>
>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7tKXMYzwW4>
>>>>>> TV news about this
>>>>>
>>>>> Just more mindless sales bullshit.
>>>>>
>>>> $20 and 20 minutes from Sydney Harbour to Newcastle
>>>> The planes are limited from harbour to harbour
>>>> A hour from Sydney/Botany to Melbourne harbour.
>>>
>>> Pure fantasy since they supposed only fly over water, the route Syd to
>>> Melb over water is considerably longer than over land and that takes
>>> about an hour.
>>>
>> They fly at 320 km/h, 10 metres above water
>>
>>>> Think it may have possibilities.
>>>
>>> Maybe ok for short haul flights or tourist transport, can't see it being
>>> of any use on major commuter routes.
>>>
>> Some of the Planes the NZ fleet is buying seats a 100 passengers (all
>> economy Qantas seat 180) at 320km/h should be in Melbourne/St Kilda
>> under 2.5 hours.
>
>Very unlikely, the distance over water would be more than 1200km, by
>road its 889km plus the chances of the Govt allowing anyone to "fly"
>10mts above Port Phillip Bay at 320kph is zero simply because there are
>too many ships and boats on the bay.
>I'd estimate the trip would take between 4 and 5hrs allowing for having
>to go a lot slower at either end plus the extra distance over water.
>
Big ships are now going to Botany.
It was their 12 seater that does 320kp/h
Their 100 seater Monarchs 800km range at nearly 540kph, yes by sea
Syd/Mel is 1200 km so they just need higher range than the kiwi ones.

Cruise ships are going to Darling Harbour early morning leave late.
Not problematic with scheduling

Be in St Kilda/Circular Quay in less than 1.5 hrs, yes they can fly
under Sydney Harbour bridge, clearance over 49 metres.

Did some more poking.

"up to 800km at nearly 540kph in the 100-seater Monarchs using
existing battery technology."
<https://www.oceanflyer.co.nz/#:~:text=Achieving%20aircraft%20speeds%20at%20a,Monarchs%20using%20existing%20battery%20technology.>
https://tinyurl.com/2pnn2teq
SPEED & EFFICIENCY
Achieving aircraft speeds at a fraction of the operating cost, the
Ocean Flyer seagliders will transport passengers and cargo over
distances of up to 300km at nearly 300kph in the 12-seater Viceroys
and up to 800km at nearly 540kph in the 100-seater Monarchs using
existing battery technology.

On Sat, 24 Sep 2022 19:11:57 -0700 (PDT), Phil Allison
<pallison49@gmail.com> wrote:

> Rod Speed wrote:
>=================
>>
>
>
>> > <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7tKXMYzwW4>
>> > TV news about this
>>
>> Just more mindless sales bullshit.
>
>** The whole thing is a 100% scam.
> If the crude use of models and CGI is not enough to warn you the sheer implausibility of the mad scheme ought to.
>
> " Ye canne break the laws of Physics... "
>
They have been FAA approved since last year.
<https://www.aviationtoday.com/2021/10/01/faa-releases-special-conditions-electric-engine-airworthiness/>
https://tinyurl.com/2dw2ayum
The Federal Aviation Administration has released final special
airworthiness conditions for electric engines created by magniX, the
agency announced on Sept. 27.

The special conditions, which go into effect Oct. 27, will account for
the certification of magniX’s magni350 and magni650 model engines that
use an electric motor, controller, and high-voltage systems as their
propulsion systems.
--
Petzl
Good lawyers know the law
Great lawyers know the judge

Petzl wrote:
===========
>
> >
> >
> >> > <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7tKXMYzwW4>
> >> > TV news about this
> >>
> >> Just more mindless sales bullshit.
> >
> >** The whole thing is a 100% scam.
> > If the crude use of models and CGI is not enough to warn you the sheer implausibility of the mad scheme ought to.
> >
> > " Ye canne break the laws of Physics... "
> >
> They have been FAA approved since last year.

** ROTFLMAO !!!!!

So Pretzel is soooo fucking dumb he believes such an outrageous scam is for real.
The scammers are baiting fools like him "invest" with them.

....... Phil

On 25/9/2022 12:15 pm, Petzl wrote:
> On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 11:13:50 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
> wrote:
>
>> On 25/9/2022 10:36 am, Petzl wrote:
>>> On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 09:56:21 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 25/9/2022 9:22 am, Petzl wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 06:15:56 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7tKXMYzwW4>
>>>>>>> TV news about this
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just more mindless sales bullshit.
>>>>>>
>>>>> $20 and 20 minutes from Sydney Harbour to Newcastle
>>>>> The planes are limited from harbour to harbour
>>>>> A hour from Sydney/Botany to Melbourne harbour.
>>>>
>>>> Pure fantasy since they supposed only fly over water, the route Syd to
>>>> Melb over water is considerably longer than over land and that takes
>>>> about an hour.
>>>>
>>> They fly at 320 km/h, 10 metres above water
>>>
>>>>> Think it may have possibilities.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe ok for short haul flights or tourist transport, can't see it being
>>>> of any use on major commuter routes.
>>>>
>>> Some of the Planes the NZ fleet is buying seats a 100 passengers (all
>>> economy Qantas seat 180) at 320km/h should be in Melbourne/St Kilda
>>> under 2.5 hours.
>>
>> Very unlikely, the distance over water would be more than 1200km, by
>> road its 889km plus the chances of the Govt allowing anyone to "fly"
>> 10mts above Port Phillip Bay at 320kph is zero simply because there are
>> too many ships and boats on the bay.
>> I'd estimate the trip would take between 4 and 5hrs allowing for having
>> to go a lot slower at either end plus the extra distance over water.
>>
> Big ships are now going to Botany.
> It was their 12 seater that does 320kp/h
> Their 100 seater Monarchs 800km range at nearly 540kph, yes by sea
> Syd/Mel is 1200 km so they just need higher range than the kiwi ones.
>
> Cruise ships are going to Darling Harbour early morning leave late.
> Not problematic with scheduling
>
> Be in St Kilda/Circular Quay in less than 1.5 hrs, yes they can fly
> under Sydney Harbour bridge, clearance over 49 metres.
>
> Did some more poking.
>
> "up to 800km at nearly 540kph in the 100-seater Monarchs using
> existing battery technology."
> <https://www.oceanflyer.co.nz/#:~:text=Achieving%20aircraft%20speeds%20at%20a,Monarchs%20using%20existing%20battery%20technology.>
> https://tinyurl.com/2pnn2teq
> SPEED & EFFICIENCY
> Achieving aircraft speeds at a fraction of the operating cost, the
> Ocean Flyer seagliders will transport passengers and cargo over
> distances of up to 300km at nearly 300kph in the 12-seater Viceroys
> and up to 800km at nearly 540kph in the 100-seater Monarchs using
> existing battery technology.

I'll believe it when and if it happens, until then I'm a skeptic.
--
Daryl

On 25/09/2022 10:36 am, Petzl wrote:
> On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 09:56:21 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
> wrote:
>
>> On 25/9/2022 9:22 am, Petzl wrote:
>>> On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 06:15:56 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>
>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7tKXMYzwW4>
>>>>> TV news about this
>>>>
>>>> Just more mindless sales bullshit.
>>>>
>>> $20 and 20 minutes from Sydney Harbour to Newcastle
>>> The planes are limited from harbour to harbour
>>> A hour from Sydney/Botany to Melbourne harbour.
>>
>> Pure fantasy since they supposed only fly over water, the route Syd to
>> Melb over water is considerably longer than over land and that takes
>> about an hour.
>>
> They fly at 320 km/h, 10 metres above water
>
>>> Think it may have possibilities.
>>
>> Maybe ok for short haul flights or tourist transport, can't see it being
>> of any use on major commuter routes.
>>
> Some of the Planes the NZ fleet is buying seats a 100 passengers (all
> economy Qantas seat 180) at 320km/h should be in Melbourne/St Kilda
> under 2.5 hours.
>
>>> Guessing the price but are really cheap (25% the cost) compared to
>>> passenger jets, 4 times quicker than road or 8 times than a train.
>>
>> See above, not that fast at all if they have to fly over water.
>>
> Thought so at first but worked out their speed is around 320 km/h?
> Altitude 10 metres above water.
> Distance from Auckland to Whangarei 160 km according to google search
> they do in 30 minutes for NZ$30.
> Turn captions on.
> And read CC text
> https://youtu.be/F7tKXMYzwW4
>
> They will need jetties to board/disembark passengers probably
> Botany/St Kilda, but Sydney harbour is on list they already have sea
> planes leaving Rose bay.
> Don't know the range of these electric sea planes though.
> Have heard Auckland to Christchurch is on their list 763 Km's?

It's called an Ekranoplan, the Russians tried it years ago.

https://images.saymedia-content.com/.image/t_share/MTc0NjQ3OTQ2ODM3ODI5Mzkx/how-devastating-is-the-soviet-ekranoplan.jpg

On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 16:12:03 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
wrote:

>On 25/9/2022 12:15 pm, Petzl wrote:
>> On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 11:13:50 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 25/9/2022 10:36 am, Petzl wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 09:56:21 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 25/9/2022 9:22 am, Petzl wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 06:15:56 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7tKXMYzwW4>
>>>>>>>> TV news about this
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just more mindless sales bullshit.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> $20 and 20 minutes from Sydney Harbour to Newcastle
>>>>>> The planes are limited from harbour to harbour
>>>>>> A hour from Sydney/Botany to Melbourne harbour.
>>>>>
>>>>> Pure fantasy since they supposed only fly over water, the route Syd to
>>>>> Melb over water is considerably longer than over land and that takes
>>>>> about an hour.
>>>>>
>>>> They fly at 320 km/h, 10 metres above water
>>>>
>>>>>> Think it may have possibilities.
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe ok for short haul flights or tourist transport, can't see it being
>>>>> of any use on major commuter routes.
>>>>>
>>>> Some of the Planes the NZ fleet is buying seats a 100 passengers (all
>>>> economy Qantas seat 180) at 320km/h should be in Melbourne/St Kilda
>>>> under 2.5 hours.
>>>
>>> Very unlikely, the distance over water would be more than 1200km, by
>>> road its 889km plus the chances of the Govt allowing anyone to "fly"
>>> 10mts above Port Phillip Bay at 320kph is zero simply because there are
>>> too many ships and boats on the bay.
>>> I'd estimate the trip would take between 4 and 5hrs allowing for having
>>> to go a lot slower at either end plus the extra distance over water.
>>>
>> Big ships are now going to Botany.
>> It was their 12 seater that does 320kp/h
>> Their 100 seater Monarchs 800km range at nearly 540kph, yes by sea
>> Syd/Mel is 1200 km so they just need higher range than the kiwi ones.
>>
>> Cruise ships are going to Darling Harbour early morning leave late.
>> Not problematic with scheduling
>>
>> Be in St Kilda/Circular Quay in less than 1.5 hrs, yes they can fly
>> under Sydney Harbour bridge, clearance over 49 metres.
>>
>> Did some more poking.
>>
>> "up to 800km at nearly 540kph in the 100-seater Monarchs using
>> existing battery technology."
>> <https://www.oceanflyer.co.nz/#:~:text=Achieving%20aircraft%20speeds%20at%20a,Monarchs%20using%20existing%20battery%20technology.>
>> https://tinyurl.com/2pnn2teq
>> SPEED & EFFICIENCY
>> Achieving aircraft speeds at a fraction of the operating cost, the
>> Ocean Flyer seagliders will transport passengers and cargo over
>> distances of up to 300km at nearly 300kph in the 12-seater Viceroys
>> and up to 800km at nearly 540kph in the 100-seater Monarchs using
>> existing battery technology.
>
>I'll believe it when and if it happens, until then I'm a skeptic.
>
Europe/USA is buying them now.
The problem presently is range, however they can now fly 800 miles
which is needed by sea, Syd/Mel harbour to harbour.
More positives are the craft can be from City centre to City centre,
quiet and no pollution.

For international flights jet hybrids are being developed.

<https://www.afar.com/magazine/electric-planes-are-coming-sooner-than-you-think>
https://tinyurl.com/2faxv6xg
The past year has propelled the aviation industry ever closer toward a
goal of viable commercial electric aircraft. United Airlines announced
in July that it’s buying 100 19-seater, zero-emission electric planes
from Swedish startup Heart Aerospace; they are set to take flight for
short hops in the United States in 2026.

Over in Europe, EasyJet’s partnership with U.S. startup Wright
Electric has led to development plans for the Wright 1, an
all-electric, 186-seat commercial passenger jet with an 800-mile range
that’s targeted to enter service around 2030. Up sooner still, Wright
Electric additionally announced in November plans for an electric
100-seater, the Wright Spirit, due out in 2026.
--
Petzl
Good lawyers know the law
Great lawyers know the judge

On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 16:33:17 +1000, keithr0 <user@account.invalid>
wrote:

>On 25/09/2022 10:36 am, Petzl wrote:
>> On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 09:56:21 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 25/9/2022 9:22 am, Petzl wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 06:15:56 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>
>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7tKXMYzwW4>
>>>>>> TV news about this
>>>>>
>>>>> Just more mindless sales bullshit.
>>>>>
>>>> $20 and 20 minutes from Sydney Harbour to Newcastle
>>>> The planes are limited from harbour to harbour
>>>> A hour from Sydney/Botany to Melbourne harbour.
>>>
>>> Pure fantasy since they supposed only fly over water, the route Syd to
>>> Melb over water is considerably longer than over land and that takes
>>> about an hour.
>>>
>> They fly at 320 km/h, 10 metres above water
>>
>>>> Think it may have possibilities.
>>>
>>> Maybe ok for short haul flights or tourist transport, can't see it being
>>> of any use on major commuter routes.
>>>
>> Some of the Planes the NZ fleet is buying seats a 100 passengers (all
>> economy Qantas seat 180) at 320km/h should be in Melbourne/St Kilda
>> under 2.5 hours.
>>
>>>> Guessing the price but are really cheap (25% the cost) compared to
>>>> passenger jets, 4 times quicker than road or 8 times than a train.
>>>
>>> See above, not that fast at all if they have to fly over water.
>>>
>> Thought so at first but worked out their speed is around 320 km/h?
>> Altitude 10 metres above water.
>> Distance from Auckland to Whangarei 160 km according to google search
>> they do in 30 minutes for NZ$30.
>> Turn captions on.
>> And read CC text
>> https://youtu.be/F7tKXMYzwW4
>>
>> They will need jetties to board/disembark passengers probably
>> Botany/St Kilda, but Sydney harbour is on list they already have sea
>> planes leaving Rose bay.
>> Don't know the range of these electric sea planes though.
>> Have heard Auckland to Christchurch is on their list 763 Km's?
>
>It's called an Ekranoplan, the Russians tried it years ago.
>
>https://images.saymedia-content.com/.image/t_share/MTc0NjQ3OTQ2ODM3ODI5Mzkx/how-devastating-is-the-soviet-ekranoplan.jpg
>
Definitly looks Russian, goes as fast backwards as it does forward.
--
Petzl
Good lawyers know the law
Great lawyers know the judge

On 25/9/2022 4:47 pm, Petzl wrote:
> On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 16:12:03 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
> wrote:
>
>> On 25/9/2022 12:15 pm, Petzl wrote:
>>> On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 11:13:50 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 25/9/2022 10:36 am, Petzl wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 09:56:21 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 25/9/2022 9:22 am, Petzl wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 06:15:56 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7tKXMYzwW4>
>>>>>>>>> TV news about this
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Just more mindless sales bullshit.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> $20 and 20 minutes from Sydney Harbour to Newcastle
>>>>>>> The planes are limited from harbour to harbour
>>>>>>> A hour from Sydney/Botany to Melbourne harbour.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Pure fantasy since they supposed only fly over water, the route Syd to
>>>>>> Melb over water is considerably longer than over land and that takes
>>>>>> about an hour.
>>>>>>
>>>>> They fly at 320 km/h, 10 metres above water
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Think it may have possibilities.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Maybe ok for short haul flights or tourist transport, can't see it being
>>>>>> of any use on major commuter routes.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Some of the Planes the NZ fleet is buying seats a 100 passengers (all
>>>>> economy Qantas seat 180) at 320km/h should be in Melbourne/St Kilda
>>>>> under 2.5 hours.
>>>>
>>>> Very unlikely, the distance over water would be more than 1200km, by
>>>> road its 889km plus the chances of the Govt allowing anyone to "fly"
>>>> 10mts above Port Phillip Bay at 320kph is zero simply because there are
>>>> too many ships and boats on the bay.
>>>> I'd estimate the trip would take between 4 and 5hrs allowing for having
>>>> to go a lot slower at either end plus the extra distance over water.
>>>>
>>> Big ships are now going to Botany.
>>> It was their 12 seater that does 320kp/h
>>> Their 100 seater Monarchs 800km range at nearly 540kph, yes by sea
>>> Syd/Mel is 1200 km so they just need higher range than the kiwi ones.
>>>
>>> Cruise ships are going to Darling Harbour early morning leave late.
>>> Not problematic with scheduling
>>>
>>> Be in St Kilda/Circular Quay in less than 1.5 hrs, yes they can fly
>>> under Sydney Harbour bridge, clearance over 49 metres.
>>>
>>> Did some more poking.
>>>
>>> "up to 800km at nearly 540kph in the 100-seater Monarchs using
>>> existing battery technology."
>>> <https://www.oceanflyer.co.nz/#:~:text=Achieving%20aircraft%20speeds%20at%20a,Monarchs%20using%20existing%20battery%20technology.>
>>> https://tinyurl.com/2pnn2teq
>>> SPEED & EFFICIENCY
>>> Achieving aircraft speeds at a fraction of the operating cost, the
>>> Ocean Flyer seagliders will transport passengers and cargo over
>>> distances of up to 300km at nearly 300kph in the 12-seater Viceroys
>>> and up to 800km at nearly 540kph in the 100-seater Monarchs using
>>> existing battery technology.
>>
>> I'll believe it when and if it happens, until then I'm a skeptic.
>>
> Europe/USA is buying them now.
> The problem presently is range, however they can now fly 800 miles
> which is needed by sea, Syd/Mel harbour to harbour.
> More positives are the craft can be from City centre to City centre,
> quiet and no pollution.
>
> For international flights jet hybrids are being developed.
>
> <https://www.afar.com/magazine/electric-planes-are-coming-sooner-than-you-think>
> https://tinyurl.com/2faxv6xg
> The past year has propelled the aviation industry ever closer toward a
> goal of viable commercial electric aircraft. United Airlines announced
> in July that it’s buying 100 19-seater, zero-emission electric planes
> from Swedish startup Heart Aerospace; they are set to take flight for
> short hops in the United States in 2026.
>
> Over in Europe, EasyJet’s partnership with U.S. startup Wright
> Electric has led to development plans for the Wright 1, an
> all-electric, 186-seat commercial passenger jet with an 800-mile range
> that’s targeted to enter service around 2030. Up sooner still, Wright
> Electric additionally announced in November plans for an electric
> 100-seater, the Wright Spirit, due out in 2026.

There is one aspect that seems to be ignored, turn around time between
flights, jet aircraft can be turned around quickly but how long to
recharge an electric aircraft's batteries?
One way would be to have exchangeable battery packs that would need to
swapped them between flights.

--
Daryl

On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 17:59:04 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
wrote:

>On 25/9/2022 4:47 pm, Petzl wrote:
>> On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 16:12:03 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 25/9/2022 12:15 pm, Petzl wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 11:13:50 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 25/9/2022 10:36 am, Petzl wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 09:56:21 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 25/9/2022 9:22 am, Petzl wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 06:15:56 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7tKXMYzwW4>
>>>>>>>>>> TV news about this
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Just more mindless sales bullshit.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> $20 and 20 minutes from Sydney Harbour to Newcastle
>>>>>>>> The planes are limited from harbour to harbour
>>>>>>>> A hour from Sydney/Botany to Melbourne harbour.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Pure fantasy since they supposed only fly over water, the route Syd to
>>>>>>> Melb over water is considerably longer than over land and that takes
>>>>>>> about an hour.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> They fly at 320 km/h, 10 metres above water
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Think it may have possibilities.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Maybe ok for short haul flights or tourist transport, can't see it being
>>>>>>> of any use on major commuter routes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Some of the Planes the NZ fleet is buying seats a 100 passengers (all
>>>>>> economy Qantas seat 180) at 320km/h should be in Melbourne/St Kilda
>>>>>> under 2.5 hours.
>>>>>
>>>>> Very unlikely, the distance over water would be more than 1200km, by
>>>>> road its 889km plus the chances of the Govt allowing anyone to "fly"
>>>>> 10mts above Port Phillip Bay at 320kph is zero simply because there are
>>>>> too many ships and boats on the bay.
>>>>> I'd estimate the trip would take between 4 and 5hrs allowing for having
>>>>> to go a lot slower at either end plus the extra distance over water.
>>>>>
>>>> Big ships are now going to Botany.
>>>> It was their 12 seater that does 320kp/h
>>>> Their 100 seater Monarchs 800km range at nearly 540kph, yes by sea
>>>> Syd/Mel is 1200 km so they just need higher range than the kiwi ones.
>>>>
>>>> Cruise ships are going to Darling Harbour early morning leave late.
>>>> Not problematic with scheduling
>>>>
>>>> Be in St Kilda/Circular Quay in less than 1.5 hrs, yes they can fly
>>>> under Sydney Harbour bridge, clearance over 49 metres.
>>>>
>>>> Did some more poking.
>>>>
>>>> "up to 800km at nearly 540kph in the 100-seater Monarchs using
>>>> existing battery technology."
>>>> <https://www.oceanflyer.co.nz/#:~:text=Achieving%20aircraft%20speeds%20at%20a,Monarchs%20using%20existing%20battery%20technology.>
>>>> https://tinyurl.com/2pnn2teq
>>>> SPEED & EFFICIENCY
>>>> Achieving aircraft speeds at a fraction of the operating cost, the
>>>> Ocean Flyer seagliders will transport passengers and cargo over
>>>> distances of up to 300km at nearly 300kph in the 12-seater Viceroys
>>>> and up to 800km at nearly 540kph in the 100-seater Monarchs using
>>>> existing battery technology.
>>>
>>> I'll believe it when and if it happens, until then I'm a skeptic.
>>>
>> Europe/USA is buying them now.
>> The problem presently is range, however they can now fly 800 miles
>> which is needed by sea, Syd/Mel harbour to harbour.
>> More positives are the craft can be from City centre to City centre,
>> quiet and no pollution.
>>
>> For international flights jet hybrids are being developed.
>>
>> <https://www.afar.com/magazine/electric-planes-are-coming-sooner-than-you-think>
>> https://tinyurl.com/2faxv6xg
>> The past year has propelled the aviation industry ever closer toward a
>> goal of viable commercial electric aircraft. United Airlines announced
>> in July that it’s buying 100 19-seater, zero-emission electric planes
>> from Swedish startup Heart Aerospace; they are set to take flight for
>> short hops in the United States in 2026.
>>
>> Over in Europe, EasyJet’s partnership with U.S. startup Wright
>> Electric has led to development plans for the Wright 1, an
>> all-electric, 186-seat commercial passenger jet with an 800-mile range
>> that’s targeted to enter service around 2030. Up sooner still, Wright
>> Electric additionally announced in November plans for an electric
>> 100-seater, the Wright Spirit, due out in 2026.
>
>There is one aspect that seems to be ignored, turn around time between
>flights, jet aircraft can be turned around quickly but how long to
>recharge an electric aircraft's batteries?
>One way would be to have exchangeable battery packs that would need to
>swapped them between flights.
>
That is a problem with high demand air destinations
Also the passenger seating is much lower
life expectancy of batteries another, so far cannot be recycled you
need a new one, cars battery life seems to be 8 years. Not cheap.
--
Petzl
Good lawyers know the law
Great lawyers know the judge

On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 09:22:53 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 06:15:56 +1000, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>
>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7tKXMYzwW4>
>>> TV news about this
>>
>> Just more mindless sales bullshit.
>>
> $20 and 20 minutes from Sydney Harbour to Newcastle

Bullshit on the $20

> The planes are limited from harbour to harbour
> A hour from Sydney/Botany to Melbourne harbour.

Those steaming turds can't do that.

> Think it may have possibilities.

Nope.

> Guessing the price

Not even the remotest possibility of anything like that price.

> but are really cheap (25% the cost) compared to passenger jets,

BULLSHIT.

> 4 times quicker than road or 8 times than a train.

Pity about the farting around at each end and boats getting in the way.

On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 10:36:09 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 09:56:21 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
> wrote:
>
>> On 25/9/2022 9:22 am, Petzl wrote:
>>> On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 06:15:56 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>
>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7tKXMYzwW4>
>>>>> TV news about this
>>>>
>>>> Just more mindless sales bullshit.
>>>>
>>> $20 and 20 minutes from Sydney Harbour to Newcastle
>>> The planes are limited from harbour to harbour
>>> A hour from Sydney/Botany to Melbourne harbour.
>>
>> Pure fantasy since they supposed only fly over water, the route Syd to
>> Melb over water is considerably longer than over land and that takes
>> about an hour.

> They fly at 320 km/h, 10 metres above water

Not when there are decent waves they dont.

>>> Think it may have possibilities.
>>
>> Maybe ok for short haul flights or tourist transport, can't see it being
>> of any use on major commuter routes.

> Some of the Planes the NZ fleet is buying seats a 100 passengers

Bullshit. And NZ isnt buying any.

> (all economy Qantas seat 180)

Wrong with the Dash 8s and SAAB 340Bs that QantasLink and Rex use.

> at 320km/h should be in Melbourne/St Kilda under 2.5 hours.

No chance and those steaming turds don't have the range for that.

>>> Guessing the price but are really cheap (25% the cost) compared to
>>> passenger jets, 4 times quicker than road or 8 times than a train.
>>
>> See above, not that fast at all if they have to fly over water.
>>
> Thought so at first but worked out their speed is around 320 km/h?
> Altitude 10 metres above water.

Not even possible with ocean waves.

> Distance from Auckland to Whangarei 160 km according to google search
> they do in 30 minutes for NZ$30.

BULLSHIT.

> Turn captions on.
> And read CC text
> https://youtu.be/F7tKXMYzwW4

> They will need jetties to board/disembark passengers probably
> Botany/St Kilda, but Sydney harbour is on list they already have sea
> planes leaving Rose bay.

Fuck all do in fact.

> Don't know the range of these electric sea planes though.

Nothing even remotely like Sydney Melburg.

> Have heard Auckland to Christchurch is on their list 763 Km's?

Just some stupid journo, they don't have anything like that range.

On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 10:52:43 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 10:36:09 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 09:56:21 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 25/9/2022 9:22 am, Petzl wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 06:15:56 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>
>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7tKXMYzwW4>
>>>>>> TV news about this
>>>>>
>>>>> Just more mindless sales bullshit.
>>>>>
>>>> $20 and 20 minutes from Sydney Harbour to Newcastle
>>>> The planes are limited from harbour to harbour
>>>> A hour from Sydney/Botany to Melbourne harbour.
>>>
>>> Pure fantasy since they supposed only fly over water, the route Syd to
>>> Melb over water is considerably longer than over land and that takes
>>> about an hour.
>>>
>> They fly at 320 km/h, 10 metres above water
>>
>>>> Think it may have possibilities.
>>>
>>> Maybe ok for short haul flights or tourist transport, can't see it
>>> being
>>> of any use on major commuter routes.
>>>
>> Some of the Planes the NZ fleet is buying seats a 100 passengers (all
>> economy Qantas seat 180) at 320km/h should be in Melbourne/St Kilda
>> under 2.5 hours.
>>
>>>> Guessing the price but are really cheap (25% the cost) compared to
>>>> passenger jets, 4 times quicker than road or 8 times than a train.
>>>
>>> See above, not that fast at all if they have to fly over water.
>>>
>> Thought so at first but worked out their speed is around 320 km/h?
>> Altitude 10 metres above water.
>> Distance from Auckland to Whangarei 160 km according to google search
>> they do in 30 minutes for NZ$30.
>> Turn captions on.
>> And read CC text
>> https://youtu.be/F7tKXMYzwW4
>>
>> They will need jetties to board/disembark passengers probably
>> Botany/St Kilda, but Sydney harbour is on list they already have sea
>> planes leaving Rose bay.
>> Don't know the range of these electric sea planes though.
>> Have heard Auckland to Christchurch is on their list 763 Km's?
>
> Did some more poking.
> "up to 800km at nearly 540kph in the 100-seater Monarchs using
> existing battery technology."

BULLSHIT.

> <https://www.oceanflyer.co.nz/#:~:text=Achieving%20aircraft%20speeds%20at%20a,Monarchs%20using%20existing%20battery%20technology.>
> https://tinyurl.com/2pnn2teq

Just because some fool claims something...

> SPEED & EFFICIENCY
> Achieving aircraft speeds at a fraction of the operating cost, the
> Ocean Flyer seagliders will transport passengers and cargo over
> distances of up to 300km at nearly 300kph in the 12-seater Viceroys
> and up to 800km at nearly 540kph in the 100-seater Monarchs using
> existing battery technology.

Just because some fool claims something...

Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote

>> > <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7tKXMYzwW4>
>> > TV news about this

>> Just more mindless sales bullshit.

> The whole thing is a 100% scam.

Yep.

> If the crude use of models and CGI is not enough to warn you the sheer
> implausibility of the mad scheme ought to.

> " Ye canne break the laws of Physics... "

And pity about ocean waves, all the boats and ships and ferrys in the
harbors etc etc etc.

On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 12:15:35 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 11:13:50 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
> wrote:
>
>> On 25/9/2022 10:36 am, Petzl wrote:
>>> On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 09:56:21 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 25/9/2022 9:22 am, Petzl wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 06:15:56 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7tKXMYzwW4>
>>>>>>> TV news about this
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just more mindless sales bullshit.
>>>>>>
>>>>> $20 and 20 minutes from Sydney Harbour to Newcastle
>>>>> The planes are limited from harbour to harbour
>>>>> A hour from Sydney/Botany to Melbourne harbour.
>>>>
>>>> Pure fantasy since they supposed only fly over water, the route Syd to
>>>> Melb over water is considerably longer than over land and that takes
>>>> about an hour.
>>>>
>>> They fly at 320 km/h, 10 metres above water
>>>
>>>>> Think it may have possibilities.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe ok for short haul flights or tourist transport, can't see it
>>>> being
>>>> of any use on major commuter routes.
>>>>
>>> Some of the Planes the NZ fleet is buying seats a 100 passengers (all
>>> economy Qantas seat 180) at 320km/h should be in Melbourne/St Kilda
>>> under 2.5 hours.
>>
>> Very unlikely, the distance over water would be more than 1200km, by
>> road its 889km plus the chances of the Govt allowing anyone to "fly"
>> 10mts above Port Phillip Bay at 320kph is zero simply because there are
>> too many ships and boats on the bay.
>> I'd estimate the trip would take between 4 and 5hrs allowing for having
>> to go a lot slower at either end plus the extra distance over water.

> Big ships are now going to Botany.

Pity about Newcastle and Melburg.

Pity about the boats, ferrys etc.

> It was their 12 seater that does 320kp/h

There is no plane that does anything like that, its fantasy.

> Their 100 seater Monarchs 800km range at nearly 540kph,

There is no plane that does anything like that, its fantasy.

> yes by sea
> Syd/Mel is 1200 km so they just need higher range than the kiwi ones.

Pity about the ocean waves.

> Cruise ships are going to Darling Harbour early morning leave late.
> Not problematic with scheduling

Pity about the other end.

> Be in St Kilda/Circular Quay in less than 1.5 hrs,

Nof a chance.

> yes they can fly
> under Sydney Harbour bridge, clearance over 49 metres.

Pity about the ocean waves.

On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 12:27:32 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sat, 24 Sep 2022 19:11:57 -0700 (PDT), Phil Allison
> <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Rod Speed wrote:
>> ================>>>
>>
>>
>>> > <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7tKXMYzwW4>
>>> > TV news about this
>>>
>>> Just more mindless sales bullshit.
>>
>> ** The whole thing is a 100% scam.
>> If the crude use of models and CGI is not enough to warn you the sheer
>> implausibility of the mad scheme ought to.
>>
>> " Ye canne break the laws of Physics... "
>>
> They have been FAA approved since last year.
> <https://www.aviationtoday.com/2021/10/01/faa-releases-special-conditions-electric-engine-airworthiness/>
> https://tinyurl.com/2dw2ayum
> The Federal Aviation Administration has released final special
> airworthiness conditions for electric engines created by magniX, the
> agency announced on Sept. 27.

Thats the engine, not the plane.

> The special conditions, which go into effect Oct. 27, will account for
> the certification of magniX’s magni350 and magni650 model engines that
> use an electric motor, controller, and high-voltage systems as their
> propulsion systems.

No PLANES exist.

On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 16:47:29 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 16:12:03 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
> wrote:
>
>> On 25/9/2022 12:15 pm, Petzl wrote:
>>> On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 11:13:50 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 25/9/2022 10:36 am, Petzl wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 09:56:21 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 25/9/2022 9:22 am, Petzl wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 06:15:56 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7tKXMYzwW4>
>>>>>>>>> TV news about this
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Just more mindless sales bullshit.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> $20 and 20 minutes from Sydney Harbour to Newcastle
>>>>>>> The planes are limited from harbour to harbour
>>>>>>> A hour from Sydney/Botany to Melbourne harbour.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Pure fantasy since they supposed only fly over water, the route Syd
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> Melb over water is considerably longer than over land and that takes
>>>>>> about an hour.
>>>>>>
>>>>> They fly at 320 km/h, 10 metres above water
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Think it may have possibilities.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Maybe ok for short haul flights or tourist transport, can't see it
>>>>>> being
>>>>>> of any use on major commuter routes.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Some of the Planes the NZ fleet is buying seats a 100 passengers (all
>>>>> economy Qantas seat 180) at 320km/h should be in Melbourne/St Kilda
>>>>> under 2.5 hours.
>>>>
>>>> Very unlikely, the distance over water would be more than 1200km, by
>>>> road its 889km plus the chances of the Govt allowing anyone to "fly"
>>>> 10mts above Port Phillip Bay at 320kph is zero simply because there
>>>> are
>>>> too many ships and boats on the bay.
>>>> I'd estimate the trip would take between 4 and 5hrs allowing for
>>>> having
>>>> to go a lot slower at either end plus the extra distance over water..
>>>>
>>> Big ships are now going to Botany.
>>> It was their 12 seater that does 320kp/h
>>> Their 100 seater Monarchs 800km range at nearly 540kph, yes by sea
>>> Syd/Mel is 1200 km so they just need higher range than the kiwi ones..
>>>
>>> Cruise ships are going to Darling Harbour early morning leave late.
>>> Not problematic with scheduling
>>>
>>> Be in St Kilda/Circular Quay in less than 1.5 hrs, yes they can fly
>>> under Sydney Harbour bridge, clearance over 49 metres.
>>>
>>> Did some more poking.
>>>
>>> "up to 800km at nearly 540kph in the 100-seater Monarchs using
>>> existing battery technology."
>>> <https://www.oceanflyer.co.nz/#:~:text=Achieving%20aircraft%20speeds%20at%20a,Monarchs%20using%20existing%20battery%20technology.>
>>> https://tinyurl.com/2pnn2teq
>>> SPEED & EFFICIENCY
>>> Achieving aircraft speeds at a fraction of the operating cost, the
>>> Ocean Flyer seagliders will transport passengers and cargo over
>>> distances of up to 300km at nearly 300kph in the 12-seater Viceroys
>>> and up to 800km at nearly 540kph in the 100-seater Monarchs using
>>> existing battery technology.
>>
>> I'll believe it when and if it happens, until then I'm a skeptic.

> Europe/USA is buying them now.

BULLSHIT

> The problem presently is range, however they can now fly 800 miles

BULLSHIT.

> which is needed by sea, Syd/Mel harbour to harbour.

Pity about the ocean waves.

> More positives are the craft can be from City centre to City centre,
> quiet and no pollution.

Pity about all the boats and ships and ferrys.

> For international flights jet hybrids are being developed.

Only between physically adjacent countrys.

> <https://www.afar.com/magazine/electric-planes-are-coming-sooner-than-you-think>
> https://tinyurl.com/2faxv6xg

Just more mindless journo bullshit.

> The past year has propelled the aviation industry ever closer toward a
> goal of viable commercial electric aircraft. United Airlines announced
> in July that it’s buying 100 19-seater, zero-emission electric planes
> from Swedish startup Heart Aerospace; they are set to take flight for
> short hops in the United States in 2026.

Those arent sea skimmers, stupid.

> Over in Europe, EasyJet’s partnership with U.S. startup Wright
> Electric has led to development plans for the Wright 1, an
> all-electric, 186-seat commercial passenger jet with an 800-mile range
> that’s targeted to enter service around 2030. Up sooner still, Wright
> Electric additionally announced in November plans for an electric
> 100-seater, the Wright Spirit, due out in 2026.

Those arent sea skimmers, stupid.

On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 17:59:04 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> wrote:

> On 25/9/2022 4:47 pm, Petzl wrote:
>> On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 16:12:03 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 25/9/2022 12:15 pm, Petzl wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 11:13:50 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 25/9/2022 10:36 am, Petzl wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 09:56:21 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 25/9/2022 9:22 am, Petzl wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 06:15:56 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7tKXMYzwW4>
>>>>>>>>>> TV news about this
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Just more mindless sales bullshit.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> $20 and 20 minutes from Sydney Harbour to Newcastle
>>>>>>>> The planes are limited from harbour to harbour
>>>>>>>> A hour from Sydney/Botany to Melbourne harbour.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Pure fantasy since they supposed only fly over water, the route
>>>>>>> Syd to
>>>>>>> Melb over water is considerably longer than over land and that
>>>>>>> takes
>>>>>>> about an hour.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> They fly at 320 km/h, 10 metres above water
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Think it may have possibilities.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Maybe ok for short haul flights or tourist transport, can't see it
>>>>>>> being
>>>>>>> of any use on major commuter routes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Some of the Planes the NZ fleet is buying seats a 100 passengers
>>>>>> (all
>>>>>> economy Qantas seat 180) at 320km/h should be in Melbourne/St Kilda
>>>>>> under 2.5 hours.
>>>>>
>>>>> Very unlikely, the distance over water would be more than 1200km, by
>>>>> road its 889km plus the chances of the Govt allowing anyone to "fly"
>>>>> 10mts above Port Phillip Bay at 320kph is zero simply because there
>>>>> are
>>>>> too many ships and boats on the bay.
>>>>> I'd estimate the trip would take between 4 and 5hrs allowing for
>>>>> having
>>>>> to go a lot slower at either end plus the extra distance over water.
>>>>>
>>>> Big ships are now going to Botany.
>>>> It was their 12 seater that does 320kp/h
>>>> Their 100 seater Monarchs 800km range at nearly 540kph, yes by sea
>>>> Syd/Mel is 1200 km so they just need higher range than the kiwi ones.
>>>>
>>>> Cruise ships are going to Darling Harbour early morning leave late.
>>>> Not problematic with scheduling
>>>>
>>>> Be in St Kilda/Circular Quay in less than 1.5 hrs, yes they can fly
>>>> under Sydney Harbour bridge, clearance over 49 metres.
>>>>
>>>> Did some more poking.
>>>>
>>>> "up to 800km at nearly 540kph in the 100-seater Monarchs using
>>>> existing battery technology."
>>>> <https://www.oceanflyer.co.nz/#:~:text=Achieving%20aircraft%20speeds%20at%20a,Monarchs%20using%20existing%20battery%20technology.>
>>>> https://tinyurl.com/2pnn2teq
>>>> SPEED & EFFICIENCY
>>>> Achieving aircraft speeds at a fraction of the operating cost, the
>>>> Ocean Flyer seagliders will transport passengers and cargo over
>>>> distances of up to 300km at nearly 300kph in the 12-seater Viceroys
>>>> and up to 800km at nearly 540kph in the 100-seater Monarchs using
>>>> existing battery technology.
>>>
>>> I'll believe it when and if it happens, until then I'm a skeptic.
>>>
>> Europe/USA is buying them now.
>> The problem presently is range, however they can now fly 800 miles
>> which is needed by sea, Syd/Mel harbour to harbour.
>> More positives are the craft can be from City centre to City centre,
>> quiet and no pollution.
>> For international flights jet hybrids are being developed.
>>
>> <https://www.afar.com/magazine/electric-planes-are-coming-sooner-than-you-think>
>> https://tinyurl.com/2faxv6xg
>> The past year has propelled the aviation industry ever closer toward a
>> goal of viable commercial electric aircraft. United Airlines announced
>> in July that it’s buying 100 19-seater, zero-emission electric planes
>> from Swedish startup Heart Aerospace; they are set to take flight for
>> short hops in the United States in 2026.
>> Over in Europe, EasyJet’s partnership with U.S. startup Wright
>> Electric has led to development plans for the Wright 1, an
>> all-electric, 186-seat commercial passenger jet with an 800-mile range
>> that’s targeted to enter service around 2030. Up sooner still, Wright
>> Electric additionally announced in November plans for an electric
>> 100-seater, the Wright Spirit, due out in 2026.
>
> There is one aspect that seems to be ignored, turn around time between
> flights, jet aircraft can be turned around quickly but how long to
> recharge an electric aircraft's batteries?
> One way would be to have exchangeable battery packs that would need to
> swapped them between flights.

And that aint gunna work with the plane bouncing around on the water.