On Saturday, 23 April 2022 at 03:08:31 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
> On Fri, 22 Apr 2022 06:23:10 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Friday, 22 April 2022 at 07:31:53 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
> >> On Sun, 17 Apr 2022 15:39:31 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Nothing much, just that you were the one making money figures to be such a big deal.
> >> >> It,would be a big deal for all those that lost jobs.
> >> >
> >> >Plenty of jobs will be there when good and clever people are in charge, not the cowardly and the corrupt.
> >> >
> >> >> >They are important - if correct -but there are things more important. Like interests, resolve, results, ideals, styles, health, happiness.
> >> >> >Not all follow the goals of robbers and prostitutes.
> >> >> people need to work. You can't all live off the work of others AKA
> >> >> the State.
> >> >
> >> >True. The famous Protestant ethic for work, now forgotten, did not mean making money from robberies and prostitution.
> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> I'm sure there are countries that would spit on
> >> >> >> >> India rather than lose US business.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Not countries - corrupt, weak individuals running things like business, governments, media, etc.
> >> >> >> So non-communist?
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> I'm sure there are many in India
> >> >> >> >> that would spit on you for even suggesting it.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Please do not think Indians to be as rude as you naturally are, as an American.
> >> >> >> Some are like the gang rapist and the government officials who for
> >> >> >> so long allowed that.
> >> >> >> >India is a real democracy, unlike the US, a corrupt oligarchy.
> >> >> >> Sure it is.
> >> >> >> >And what with our timeless civilisation and supreme culture - most polite, especially to strangers.
> >> >> >> >In India people take opinions widely different from their own, gracefully.
> >> >> >> >Tolerance works like that.
> >> >> >> Tell that to those of the lower Caste systems.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >They know that.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >So we do not spit at each other.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> Not even on what you call Untouchables?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >No.
> >> >> >These days so-called untouchables are the kings.
> >> >> >They have many special privileges such as reservations. This has gone on from the 1950s and is the most deeply entrenched aspect of Indian democracy.
> >> >> >The President of India is a so-called untouchable.
> >> >> >Untouchability has been illegal since India got independence.
> >> >> >Not that it ever was a big deal. Hardly. It was made out to be so by the missionary types in their conversion attempts.
> >> >> >By and large people ignore what does not concern them.
> >> >> >The press picks up on the inevitable bad news. Out of 1400 million people, something bad can always be found.
> >> >> Interesting. So all is well and all are treated equally.
> >> >
> >> >No, things could be a lot better.
> >> >Yes there is equality before law, unless you are low caste or tribal, in which case you get plenty of benefits such as reservations in studies and jobs.
> >>
> >> Why are you living in OZ and not in India helping there? You don't
> >> want others to leave why did you?
> >
> >I live in Oz as I am now a citizen, with some undeniable rights under the rule of law. Oz is my home, love it here,
> That is good.
> >I came here to promote what is now called googling, back in 1989. I invented it, and published an original paper on it, back in 1987.
> >Based on that, and other aspects, I got a job in Telstra Research Labs in Melbourne where I worked for 17 years, till the labs were abolished by Howard's policies.
> I've heard of them. Thought believe it was reduced for efficiency
> more than politics.

It is always politics when political decisions are made.
The labs were mainly about international standardization, cutting edge insights, practical issues in telecom, assisting business.
All these were in a socialist framework which became obsolete with the americanisation of Australia involving massive job cuts in public sector under an imported USA CEO in the Telstra case.
The world changed.
Anyway, it was good while it lasted.

> >I did not want to stay here in Oz to begin with, but then I saw some very miserable, unhappy kids in 1990 and that made me make up my mind.
> >Family life in Oz was just horrible, then. Screechy feminists galore, with Marxist idiot-intellectuals, trying to destroy families, create divorces via promoting infidelities. A lot better, now.
> >I felt I had to stay here, for my presence and more importantly that of my family was necessary to the masses. That way, I followed the dictum of Comrade Lenin. The best people must remain *physically* among the masses, who will absorb excellence by induction.
> Lenin was a murderer. Idiot on man also.

Irrelevant to the point. They are all murderers - the leaders have to be so.. That is how revolutions work. Lenin was a great leader, caused lasting change. So very popular with the have-nots. Like it or not. His peaceful ideas I found are valuable, for he knew what the masses need. And provide for the best among them who stay with them. Works well, for mutual good health and other benefits.
> >
> >Indians have been helped by me, in great measure. Long story, no point telling it to some devil of a USAn. I worked for 12 years in Development and Engineering in the largest electronics company in India. That too was very successful. I should have remained, but no one understood my work in googling, so I emigrated for a fresh start. I had no use of US, so Australia with its then socialist outlook was attractive.
> >
> > Unfortunately there are too many subhumans like Rod and Petz and OrPooch and OrBitch here, who profile me out of reckoning based upon their prejudices. Such is their style, nothing to be done! There are so many of them, and they are good at one thing only. Suppression of the excellent. A most mediocre state of affairs, what. They call it, cutting down the tall poppy. You all gotta act dumb to survive. That is for the general case - in my case, I am blessed, so am still alive!
> >
> >My point was that US had stolen India's top talent for several decades.
> Not by force, but by opportunity. I'd say the problem is in India.

True they did not come in chains like blacks, things are now more sophisticated.
What is force here? Bribery is a force. Theft is a force. Yes the problem is in India and difficult to solve without good rule from strong nationalist leaders.

> >Kids went for higher education with the understanding they would use it for Indian development.
> Was it in writing?

Irrelevant. It was about morality, not legality.
The general idea behind providing uni scholarships was that kids should use that knowledge for their nation's good.
They were not given expensive Indian education to benefit the US.
Some did return after their studies.

> >But they did not come back.
> >Had they remained in India, India would have been a superpower.
> Doubt that they have many problems, but then so does the USA.

India is nowhere now in the region, unlike in the days of the British Raj.

> >They chose to benefit themselves and their families maybe.
> >Good for them maybe, and US too, but not so for India.
> >So China has done so much better, as their best talents remain.
> China uses cheap labor for much of why it is doing so good and if
> some sources are correct basically slave labor in some areas.

They are now at least one generation ahead of India in all technical and economic developments.
I have been there, and so have many of my Indian friends.
Their advances are astounding.
India still has some freedom, but that is causing anarchy as much as causing individual happiness.

> >But in India, they were encouraged to leave by the Indian establishments..
> >They would have upset their power had they remained.
> >
> >
> >> >> >> >Which is why we have such brilliant diversity in India. Chaotic, but mutually supportive.
> >> >> >> >We do not wear baseball caps, eat hot dogs, and claim loudly that we are the best!
> >> >> >> >For the life of the genuine Indian is based upon morality.
> >> >> >> >Satyam Shivan Sundaram - Truth Goodness Beauty - strictly in descending order of importance.
> >> >> >> Parts were nice, parts were shit, and smelled of such. But I
> >> >> >> believe most would not agree with you on ditching all relationships
> >> >> >> with the USA.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Only till the USAns become far more civilized, and stop their disgusting lying and scheming for money gains. In the meantime the Indians should at least ban or place high tariffs on anything cultural from US. Ban all Hollywood, news, noise they call music etc.
> >> >> Ban the NEWS, how Putin of you. Ban Music because you don't like it
> >> >> but others do, how Putin of you.
> >> >
> >> >From the US, an evil terrorist nation, yes, do ban all their news and noise.
> >> >As Prof Mearsheimer says, USA is to blame for the trouble in Ukraine.
> >> >Staying away from the US is healthy.
> >>
> >> Here we go more of you Putin shit.
> >
> >But staying away from the US is MOST healthy, nothing to do with Putin.
> Why does Putin get to tell other countries what to do?