Where does she *really* come from?

--
Jim <http://www.jim-easterbrook.me.uk/>
1959/1985? M B+ G+ A L- I- S- P-- CH0(p) Ar++ T+ H0 Q--- Sh0

Jim Easterbrook <news@jim-easterbrook.me.uk> wrote:
> Where does she *really* come from?
>

QE2 will be rotating in her grave!

--
Toodle Pip, Mike McMillan

On 30/11/2022 18:38, Jim Easterbrook wrote:
> Where does she *really* come from?
>

From the Planet 1962.

john

On Wed, 30 Nov 2022 19:13:41 +0000, John Ashby <johnashby20@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>On 30/11/2022 18:38, Jim Easterbrook wrote:
>> Where does she *really* come from?
>>
>
> From the Planet 1962.
>
>john

Her husband the late "Duke" Hussey was employed by two right wing (now
bordering on fascist) press outfits, and was later BBC Chairman of
Governors for 10 years.

I suspect many "establishment" figures - including the royal family -
share her views. She was just stupid enough to get caught.

On Wed, 30 Nov 2022 18:54:06 -0000 (UTC), Mike McMillan
<toodle.pip1@virginmedia.com> wrote:

>Jim Easterbrook <news@jim-easterbrook.me.uk> wrote:
>> Where does she *really* come from?
>>
>
>QE2 will be rotating in her grave!

See my other reply. I really don't think so. But the late queen had
sufficient nous to keep her lip buttoned, unlike her husband and
sundry other members of the rf.

On 01/12/2022 09:15, John Armstrong wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Nov 2022 19:13:41 +0000, John Ashby <johnashby20@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 30/11/2022 18:38, Jim Easterbrook wrote:
>>> Where does she *really* come from?
>>>
>>
>> From the Planet 1962.
>>
>> john
>
> Her husband the late "Duke" Hussey was employed by two right wing (now
> bordering on fascist) press outfits, and was later BBC Chairman of
> Governors for 10 years.
>
> I suspect many "establishment" figures - including the royal family -
> share her views. She was just stupid enough to get caught.

There's a story I may have told here before that this event has evoked
in me. Apologies for the repetiton.

About ten years ago I was part of a group of people who went to support
a friend of ours when he was being given the Freedom of the City of
Oxford. Among the others receiving the Freedom that evening was a woman
of Indian heritage who had come to Oxford from her birthplace of South
Africa and who was being honoured for her work as an anti racism activist.

During the reception she approached our party as she had at one time
collaborated with our friend and we made the usual small talk. One of
our group then mentioned that he had spent several years in South
Africa. She asked where he had been and when he said "I was in
Dittersfontein" she, recognising it as a home of Afrikaaners, said "Good
God, what were you doing in that revolting place?"

He replied "I was..." but she had turned and walked away in disgust so
she didn't hear him continue "working for Trevor Huddleston."

Nobody is immune from making assumptions about other people; nobody, not
even an anti-racist, is immune from making judgements which at least
border on racism (and I have just broken a long-standing relationship in
part because of one such judgement); none of us (not even me) have the
right to cast the first stone, all we can do is strive to understand
ourselves and others.

john

On Thu, 1 Dec 2022 11:04:29 +0000, John Ashby <johnashby20@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>On 01/12/2022 09:15, John Armstrong wrote:
>> On Wed, 30 Nov 2022 19:13:41 +0000, John Ashby <johnashby20@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 30/11/2022 18:38, Jim Easterbrook wrote:
>>>> Where does she *really* come from?
>>>>
>>>
>>> From the Planet 1962.
>>>
>>> john
>>
>> Her husband the late "Duke" Hussey was employed by two right wing (now
>> bordering on fascist) press outfits, and was later BBC Chairman of
>> Governors for 10 years.
>>
>> I suspect many "establishment" figures - including the royal family -
>> share her views. She was just stupid enough to get caught.
>
>There's a story I may have told here before that this event has evoked
>in me. Apologies for the repetiton.
>
>About ten years ago I was part of a group of people who went to support
>a friend of ours when he was being given the Freedom of the City of
>Oxford. Among the others receiving the Freedom that evening was a woman
>of Indian heritage who had come to Oxford from her birthplace of South
>Africa and who was being honoured for her work as an anti racism activist.
>
>During the reception she approached our party as she had at one time
>collaborated with our friend and we made the usual small talk. One of
>our group then mentioned that he had spent several years in South
>Africa. She asked where he had been and when he said "I was in
>Dittersfontein" she, recognising it as a home of Afrikaaners, said "Good
>God, what were you doing in that revolting place?"
>
>He replied "I was..." but she had turned and walked away in disgust so
>she didn't hear him continue "working for Trevor Huddleston."
>
>Nobody is immune from making assumptions about other people; nobody, not
>even an anti-racist, is immune from making judgements which at least
>border on racism (and I have just broken a long-standing relationship in
>part because of one such judgement); none of us (not even me) have the
>right to cast the first stone, all we can do is strive to understand
>ourselves and others.
>
>john

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RovF1zsDoeM
AVENUE Q - 'Everybody's a Little Racist,'

On 01/12/2022 11:04, John Ashby wrote:
>
> Nobody is immune from making assumptions about other people; nobody, not
> even an anti-racist, is immune from making judgements which at least
> border on racism (and I have just broken a long-standing relationship in
> part because of one such judgement); none of us (not even me) have the
> right to cast the first stone, all we can do is strive to understand
> ourselves and others.
>
Well put and nice story John.

There is no excuse for what she said assuming the reporting is correct
which I have no reason to doubt.

I would question one aspect though "nobody would say this to a white
woman". Wrong. I have done that a couple of times recently when talking
to white women with non-English accents and I have asked where they were
from (Lithuania and Ukraine as it happened).

I wouldn't do it to a non-white person these days even if they clearly
didn't have English accents. But I would have done at one time, only
because I am genuinely interested in people's stories.

If that is interpreted as racist then so be it.

On Thu, 1 Dec 2022 12:15:00 +0000, BrritSki wrote:
>
> I would question one aspect though "nobody would say this to a white
> woman". Wrong. I have done that a couple of times recently when talking
> to white women with non-English accents and I have asked where they were
> from (Lithuania and Ukraine as it happened).

The initial question "where are you from?" may have been innocent, but the
subsequent interrogation, which was clearly making the guest
uncomfortable, was downright rude and hard to interpret as anything but
racist.

--
Jim <http://www.jim-easterbrook.me.uk/>
1959/1985? M B+ G+ A L- I- S- P-- CH0(p) Ar++ T+ H0 Q--- Sh0

On 01/12/2022 12:46, Jim Easterbrook wrote:
> On Thu, 1 Dec 2022 12:15:00 +0000, BrritSki wrote:
>>
>> I would question one aspect though "nobody would say this to a white
>> woman". Wrong. I have done that a couple of times recently when talking
>> to white women with non-English accents and I have asked where they were
>> from (Lithuania and Ukraine as it happened).
>
> The initial question "where are you from?" may have been innocent, but the
> subsequent interrogation, which was clearly making the guest
> uncomfortable, was downright rude and hard to interpret as anything but
> racist.
>
And where did I disagree with that ? You've snipped "There is no excuse
for what she said assuming the reporting is correct which I have no
reason to doubt. "

But it's good to hear from someone who was there and can report that it
was "clearly making the guest uncomfortable". :/

I should add that I was often asked where I was from when we lived in
Italy and I never found it offensive. We were frequently assumed to be
French which we liked. German not so much. That IS racist...

On Thu, 1 Dec 2022 13:02:11 +0000, BrritSki wrote:

> On 01/12/2022 12:46, Jim Easterbrook wrote:
>> On Thu, 1 Dec 2022 12:15:00 +0000, BrritSki wrote:
>>>
>>> I would question one aspect though "nobody would say this to a white
>>> woman". Wrong. I have done that a couple of times recently when
>>> talking to white women with non-English accents and I have asked where
>>> they were from (Lithuania and Ukraine as it happened).
>>
>> The initial question "where are you from?" may have been innocent, but
>> the subsequent interrogation, which was clearly making the guest
>> uncomfortable, was downright rude and hard to interpret as anything but
>> racist.
>>
> And where did I disagree with that ? You've snipped "There is no excuse
> for what she said assuming the reporting is correct which I have no
> reason to doubt. "

Where did I say I was disagreeing with you?

> But it's good to hear from someone who was there and can report that it
> was "clearly making the guest uncomfortable". :/

That's what another guest who was in the group being addressed by Lady
Hussey said last night on PM.

--
Jim <http://www.jim-easterbrook.me.uk/>
1959/1985? M B+ G+ A L- I- S- P-- CH0(p) Ar++ T+ H0 Q--- Sh0

On 30/11/2022 18:38, Jim Easterbrook wrote:
> Where does she *really* come from?

"I come from where we don't end sentences with a preposition!"

"OK, where are you from, bitch?"

--
Cheers
Clive

On 01-Dec-22 9:17, John Armstrong wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Nov 2022 18:54:06 -0000 (UTC), Mike McMillan
> <toodle.pip1@virginmedia.com> wrote:
>
>> Jim Easterbrook <news@jim-easterbrook.me.uk> wrote:
>>> Where does she *really* come from?
>>>
>>
>> QE2 will be rotating in her grave!
>
> See my other reply. I really don't think so. But the late queen had
> sufficient nous to keep her lip buttoned, unlike her husband and
> sundry other members of the rf.

That leads to what I find hard to understand about this situation.
Members of the Royal family (and, I assume, those adjacent) often attend
functions where a wide range of diverse people have been asked to attend.
Knowing what to say, and what _not_ to say should be pretty obvious to
all concerned.

--
Sam Plusnet

On 01/12/2022 12:46, Jim Easterbrook wrote:
> On Thu, 1 Dec 2022 12:15:00 +0000, BrritSki wrote:
>>
>> I would question one aspect though "nobody would say this to a white
>> woman". Wrong. I have done that a couple of times recently when talking
>> to white women with non-English accents and I have asked where they were
>> from (Lithuania and Ukraine as it happened).
>
> The initial question "where are you from?" may have been innocent, but the
> subsequent interrogation, which was clearly making the guest
> uncomfortable, was downright rude and hard to interpret as anything but
> racist.
>

That was my feeling, as well. It was the rudeness which really struck
me about it. Leaving the strongly racist undertones out of it, it's
just plain rude to keep pushing when the person you are talking to has
made it clear they don't want to discuss that aspect of their personal
information.

AIUI, Susan Hussey has been a Lady in Waiting for decades and part of
her role at functions like that is to put people at their ease and make
them feel comfortable (I've heard words such as tact and diplomacy used
to describe her normal behaviour). Given all this, I find this
conversation (or interrogation, as I've heard it described) pretty gob
smacking.

I really hope that someone, whether in the royal family or her own, is
making sure she's OK as it sounds as if this was pretty out of
character[1]. It makes me wonder whether her judgement is somewhat
impaired, Maybe, at 83, it's a year or two past the point where she
should have retired anyway or even whether this could be an early sign
of dementia or something along those lines.

[1] not necessarily her attitudes but the way she behaved and expressed
herself.

--
Best wishes, Serena
Q. What do monsters have for breakfast?
A. Dreaded wheat.

Serena Blanchflower <nospam@blanchflower.me.uk> wrote:
> On 01/12/2022 12:46, Jim Easterbrook wrote:
>> On Thu, 1 Dec 2022 12:15:00 +0000, BrritSki wrote:
>>>
>>> I would question one aspect though "nobody would say this to a white
>>> woman". Wrong. I have done that a couple of times recently when talking
>>> to white women with non-English accents and I have asked where they were
>>> from (Lithuania and Ukraine as it happened).
>>
>> The initial question "where are you from?" may have been innocent, but the
>> subsequent interrogation, which was clearly making the guest
>> uncomfortable, was downright rude and hard to interpret as anything but
>> racist.
>>
>
> That was my feeling, as well. It was the rudeness which really struck
> me about it. Leaving the strongly racist undertones out of it, it's
> just plain rude to keep pushing when the person you are talking to has
> made it clear they don't want to discuss that aspect of their personal
> information.
>
> AIUI, Susan Hussey has been a Lady in Waiting for decades and part of
> her role at functions like that is to put people at their ease and make
> them feel comfortable (I've heard words such as tact and diplomacy used
> to describe her normal behaviour). Given all this, I find this
> conversation (or interrogation, as I've heard it described) pretty gob
> smacking.
>
> I really hope that someone, whether in the royal family or her own, is
> making sure she's OK as it sounds as if this was pretty out of
> character[1]. It makes me wonder whether her judgement is somewhat
> impaired, Maybe, at 83, it's a year or two past the point where she
> should have retired anyway or even whether this could be an early sign
> of dementia or something along those lines.
>
>
> [1] not necessarily her attitudes but the way she behaved and expressed
> herself.
>

“Zactly wot Mrs. McToodles and I were opining last evening.

--
Toodle Pip, Mike McMillan

On Thu, 1 Dec 2022 19:05:22 +0000, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> a gribouillé
dans la poussière...

>On 01-Dec-22 9:17, John Armstrong wrote:
>> On Wed, 30 Nov 2022 18:54:06 -0000 (UTC), Mike McMillan
>> <toodle.pip1@virginmedia.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Jim Easterbrook <news@jim-easterbrook.me.uk> wrote:
>>>> Where does she *really* come from?
>>>>
>>>
>>> QE2 will be rotating in her grave!
>>
>> See my other reply. I really don't think so. But the late queen had
>> sufficient nous to keep her lip buttoned, unlike her husband and
>> sundry other members of the rf.
>
>That leads to what I find hard to understand about this situation.
>Members of the Royal family (and, I assume, those adjacent) often attend
>functions where a wide range of diverse people have been asked to attend.
>Knowing what to say, and what _not_ to say should be pretty obvious to
>all concerned.

I suppose it is possible she has been behaving like that for years. This is
just the first time anyone has reported their feelings about it publicly.
--
Penny
Annoyed by The Archers since 1959

On 02/12/2022 09:08, Penny wrote:
> I suppose it is possible she has been behaving like that for years. This is
> just the first time anyone has reported their feelings about it publicly.

I get the sense that I am slightly at odd with other Umrats in this matter.

For a start, do we believe that the conversation went *exactly*as
reported? Personally, I am always hesitant to believe what the papers
say and more so with what little I read/hear about from sochul meeja.

I think the titled person is quite old. Is she also perhaps a bit gaga?

I can quite imagine a situation where a person was asking someone what
their *heritage* was. Why would that be a bad thing to do. If I met
someone who spoke with a French accent I might well ask if they were
French or brought up in France. Would that be racist? Quite a few
times I have seen tv programs where a mixed race person expresses a
desire to visit an African country in order to learn more of their black
roots - that is probably not so much a bad thing as commendable.

A little while ago there was a lot of comment on a member of the royal
family apparently speculating on the possible colour of Prince Harry's
first child. Now, when my son was born I definitely said to my husband
"Oh Lord! I hope the baby's not born with your mother's nose!" I could
also have said "I wonder if the baby will have red hair like some
members of your family." Why is this different to commenting on skin
colour which will be inherited from one parent or the other or somewhere
in between?

--
Jenny M Benson
Wrexham, UK

On 01/12/2022 20:46, Mike McMillan wrote:
> Serena Blanchflower <nospam@blanchflower.me.uk> wrote:
>> On 01/12/2022 12:46, Jim Easterbrook wrote:
>>> On Thu, 1 Dec 2022 12:15:00 +0000, BrritSki wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I would question one aspect though "nobody would say this to a white
>>>> woman". Wrong. I have done that a couple of times recently when talking
>>>> to white women with non-English accents and I have asked where they were
>>>> from (Lithuania and Ukraine as it happened).
>>>
>>> The initial question "where are you from?" may have been innocent, but the
>>> subsequent interrogation, which was clearly making the guest
>>> uncomfortable, was downright rude and hard to interpret as anything but
>>> racist.
>>>
>>
>> That was my feeling, as well. It was the rudeness which really struck
>> me about it. Leaving the strongly racist undertones out of it, it's
>> just plain rude to keep pushing when the person you are talking to has
>> made it clear they don't want to discuss that aspect of their personal
>> information.
>>
>> AIUI, Susan Hussey has been a Lady in Waiting for decades and part of
>> her role at functions like that is to put people at their ease and make
>> them feel comfortable (I've heard words such as tact and diplomacy used
>> to describe her normal behaviour). Given all this, I find this
>> conversation (or interrogation, as I've heard it described) pretty gob
>> smacking.
>>
>> I really hope that someone, whether in the royal family or her own, is
>> making sure she's OK as it sounds as if this was pretty out of
>> character[1]. It makes me wonder whether her judgement is somewhat
>> impaired, Maybe, at 83, it's a year or two past the point where she
>> should have retired anyway or even whether this could be an early sign
>> of dementia or something along those lines.
>>
>>
>> [1] not necessarily her attitudes but the way she behaved and expressed
>> herself.
>>
>
> “Zactly wot Mrs. McToodles and I were opining last evening.
>
It was reported that she once asked a distinguished looking gentleman
what he did, to be given the answer "I'm the President of the United
States of America". George Bush was rather surprised!

John Finlay <chemistman@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On 01/12/2022 20:46, Mike McMillan wrote:
>> Serena Blanchflower <nospam@blanchflower.me.uk> wrote:
>>> On 01/12/2022 12:46, Jim Easterbrook wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 1 Dec 2022 12:15:00 +0000, BrritSki wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I would question one aspect though "nobody would say this to a white
>>>>> woman". Wrong. I have done that a couple of times recently when talking
>>>>> to white women with non-English accents and I have asked where they were
>>>>> from (Lithuania and Ukraine as it happened).
>>>>
>>>> The initial question "where are you from?" may have been innocent, but the
>>>> subsequent interrogation, which was clearly making the guest
>>>> uncomfortable, was downright rude and hard to interpret as anything but
>>>> racist.
>>>>
>>>
>>> That was my feeling, as well. It was the rudeness which really struck
>>> me about it. Leaving the strongly racist undertones out of it, it's
>>> just plain rude to keep pushing when the person you are talking to has
>>> made it clear they don't want to discuss that aspect of their personal
>>> information.
>>>
>>> AIUI, Susan Hussey has been a Lady in Waiting for decades and part of
>>> her role at functions like that is to put people at their ease and make
>>> them feel comfortable (I've heard words such as tact and diplomacy used
>>> to describe her normal behaviour). Given all this, I find this
>>> conversation (or interrogation, as I've heard it described) pretty gob
>>> smacking.
>>>
>>> I really hope that someone, whether in the royal family or her own, is
>>> making sure she's OK as it sounds as if this was pretty out of
>>> character[1]. It makes me wonder whether her judgement is somewhat
>>> impaired, Maybe, at 83, it's a year or two past the point where she
>>> should have retired anyway or even whether this could be an early sign
>>> of dementia or something along those lines.
>>>
>>>
>>> [1] not necessarily her attitudes but the way she behaved and expressed
>>> herself.
>>>
>>
>> “Zactly wot Mrs. McToodles and I were opining last evening.
>>
> It was reported that she once asked a distinguished looking gentleman
> what he did, to be given the answer "I'm the President of the United
> States of America". George Bush was rather surprised!
>

Good job she didn’t ask that of someone important then! ;-)))

--
Toodle Pip, Mike McMillan

On Fri, 2 Dec 2022 12:59:45 +0000, John Finlay
<chemistman@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On 01/12/2022 20:46, Mike McMillan wrote:
>> Serena Blanchflower <nospam@blanchflower.me.uk> wrote:
>>> On 01/12/2022 12:46, Jim Easterbrook wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 1 Dec 2022 12:15:00 +0000, BrritSki wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I would question one aspect though "nobody would say this to a white
>>>>> woman". Wrong. I have done that a couple of times recently when talking
>>>>> to white women with non-English accents and I have asked where they were
>>>>> from (Lithuania and Ukraine as it happened).
>>>>
>>>> The initial question "where are you from?" may have been innocent, but the
>>>> subsequent interrogation, which was clearly making the guest
>>>> uncomfortable, was downright rude and hard to interpret as anything but
>>>> racist.
>>>>
>>>
>>> That was my feeling, as well. It was the rudeness which really struck
>>> me about it. Leaving the strongly racist undertones out of it, it's
>>> just plain rude to keep pushing when the person you are talking to has
>>> made it clear they don't want to discuss that aspect of their personal
>>> information.
>>>
>>> AIUI, Susan Hussey has been a Lady in Waiting for decades and part of
>>> her role at functions like that is to put people at their ease and make
>>> them feel comfortable (I've heard words such as tact and diplomacy used
>>> to describe her normal behaviour). Given all this, I find this
>>> conversation (or interrogation, as I've heard it described) pretty gob
>>> smacking.
>>>
>>> I really hope that someone, whether in the royal family or her own, is
>>> making sure she's OK as it sounds as if this was pretty out of
>>> character[1]. It makes me wonder whether her judgement is somewhat
>>> impaired, Maybe, at 83, it's a year or two past the point where she
>>> should have retired anyway or even whether this could be an early sign
>>> of dementia or something along those lines.
>>>
>>>
>>> [1] not necessarily her attitudes but the way she behaved and expressed
>>> herself.
>>>
>>
>> “Zactly wot Mrs. McToodles and I were opining last evening.
>>
>It was reported that she once asked a distinguished looking gentleman
>what he did, to be given the answer "I'm the President of the United
>States of America". George Bush was rather surprised!

I asked a woman at parent evening of daughters' school what she
taught. She was the head mistress :).

On Fri, 2 Dec 2022 12:33:36 +0000, Jenny M Benson
<NemoNews@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

>On 02/12/2022 09:08, Penny wrote:
>> I suppose it is possible she has been behaving like that for years. This is
>> just the first time anyone has reported their feelings about it publicly.
>
>I get the sense that I am slightly at odd with other Umrats in this matter.
>
>For a start, do we believe that the conversation went *exactly*as
>reported? Personally, I am always hesitant to believe what the papers
>say and more so with what little I read/hear about from sochul meeja.
>
>I think the titled person is quite old. Is she also perhaps a bit gaga?
>
>I can quite imagine a situation where a person was asking someone what
>their *heritage* was. Why would that be a bad thing to do. If I met
>someone who spoke with a French accent I might well ask if they were
>French or brought up in France. Would that be racist? Quite a few
>times I have seen tv programs where a mixed race person expresses a
>desire to visit an African country in order to learn more of their black
>roots - that is probably not so much a bad thing as commendable.
>
>A little while ago there was a lot of comment on a member of the royal
>family apparently speculating on the possible colour of Prince Harry's
>first child. Now, when my son was born I definitely said to my husband
>"Oh Lord! I hope the baby's not born with your mother's nose!" I could
>also have said "I wonder if the baby will have red hair like some
>members of your family." Why is this different to commenting on skin
>colour which will be inherited from one parent or the other or somewhere
>in between?

I agree it is not as reported. Aparently the offended lady went wired
up to record the incident. She is a campaigner for anti-racist
affairs. I'm often asked what nationality my surname is. As I'm Mrs
they ask what my husband is. I have never felt upset about it.

On 02/12/2022 12:33, Jenny M Benson wrote:
> On 02/12/2022 09:08, Penny wrote:
>> I suppose it is possible she has been behaving like that for years.
>> This is
>> just the first time anyone has reported their feelings about it publicly.
>
> I get the sense that I am slightly at odd with other Umrats in this matter.
>
> For a start, do we believe that the conversation went *exactly*as
> reported?  Personally, I am always hesitant to believe what the papers
> say and more so with what little I read/hear about from sochul meeja.
>
> I think the titled person is quite old.  Is she also perhaps a bit gaga?
>
> I can quite imagine a situation where a person was asking someone what
> their *heritage* was.  Why would that be a bad thing to do.  If I met
> someone who spoke with a French accent I might well ask if they were
> French or brought up in France.  Would that be racist?  Quite a few
> times I have seen tv programs where a mixed race person expresses a
> desire to visit an African country in order to learn more of their black
> roots - that is probably not so much a bad thing as commendable.
>
> A little while ago there was a lot of comment on a member of the royal
> family apparently speculating on the possible colour of Prince Harry's
> first child.  Now, when my son was born I definitely said to my husband
> "Oh Lord!  I hope the baby's not born with your mother's nose!"  I could
> also have said "I wonder if the baby will have red hair like some
> members of your family."  Why is this different to commenting on skin
> colour which will be inherited from one parent or the other or somewhere
> in between?
>
Quite. As NortyDorter's Italian partner is very dark we all speculated
on the colour of her firstborn's skin and whether she (as it turned out
(for now)) would be dark or fair. She is actually the darkest of the 3,
but not as dark as Papa.

On 02/12/2022 13:34, Vicky wrote:
>
> I agree it is not as reported. Aparently the offended lady went wired
> up to record the incident.

The whole thing is very curious. Interesting article in the Spectator on
it here:
<https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/in-defence-of-lady-susan-hussey/>

First comment is rather revealing (text below)

Why was she able to provide a transcript ? Was she recording it and if
so why ?

Is it just coincidence that the Sussex's book is about to be released ?

Off now to read the "official" transcript...

Tom Cullen
Thanks to Ms Wyatt for this sane column. By the by, Ms "Fulani" was born
with a completely Anglo name, but has been parading herself as Ngozi
Fulani for many years. She comes to an international forum on violence
against women with a name-tag bearing her adopted, not actual,
Africanised name, wearing dreadlocks and African dress, and is then
shocked out of her mind that a doddering but kindly 80+ Englishwoman
asks where she is from.

Meanwhile, great activist that she is on behalf of women the globe over
being raped, tortured, imprisoned, killed by partners, Ms "Fulani"
managed to obliterate all public focus on the cause at the heart of the
event to which all those high-profile women were invited. All attention
is now, instead, on Ms Fulani and her traumatic experience of "prolonged
racism" - despite footage from the event showing her speaking animatedly
to the Queen afterward. There are also photographs of Ms Fulani many
years ago showing her laughing delightedly sitting next to the then
Prince of Wales at another event.

Ms Fulani is also on record as stating on Twitter, after the Sussex's
disastrous, and filled with lies interview with Oprah Winfrey, that "it
appears that Meghan suffered domestic violence from her in-laws". That
any activist for this issue would equate the violence that kills, maims,
and mars the lives of millions of women globally each year with Meghan
pouting about how she wasn't treated as well as she thought she
deserved, for which Meghan smeared an entire family with totally
unsupported claims such that even her hand-puppet, Omid Scobie, admitted
that Meghan "might have misinterpreted" why her son wasn't made an HRH
at birth . . .

Ms Fulani managed to erase all public focus on the reason for the event,
and instead placed it squarely on herself. The other women present from
other countries might as well have saved the carbon emissions it cost
the environment to attend. The good the event might have done on our
side of the Pond, and that the Waleses are trying to do for the planet
on the other side, all into the bin because of a hugely overblown story
that gives yet another questionable "activist" lots of headline space.
And, how is that Ms Fulani also came prepared to record private
conversations?

Misan Harriman, by the way, is a close friend of the Sussexes.
Fulani/Headley has accused the RF of domestic violence against Meghan.
And all just as the Prince and Princess of Wales set out on an extremely
important foreign visit, Prince Harry's case trying to force Britain to
give him the right to armed 24/7 security is upcoming, a retiring
security officer suddenly feels minded to talk about threats to Meghan
whilst she was enjoying all the perks of royalty, and the Sussexes
prepare to court round condemnation for accepting an award based on
spurious charges of racism against an entire family - whose name Meghan
brandishes at every opportunity, and who put her on the global map in a
way her own talents failed to do after two decades trying.

The irony is, the reception for the Waleses in Boston was absolutely
rapturous, and, yet again, the Waleses look like nothing so much as the
victims of a deliberate smear campaign.

The Palace should have looked up Fulani's/Headley's track record on
public comments and left her off the guest list. In future, it should do
a better job of vetting guests and insist that mobiles be left at the door.

This is a poster illustration for that old adage, "No good deed goes
unpunished."

On 02/12/2022 14:06, BrritSki wrote:
> On 02/12/2022 13:34, Vicky wrote:
>>
>> I agree it is not as reported. Aparently the offended lady went wired
>> up to record the incident.
>
> The whole thing is very curious. Interesting article in the Spectator on
> it here:
> <https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/in-defence-of-lady-susan-hussey/>
>
> First comment is rather revealing (text below)
>
> Why was she able to provide a transcript ? Was she recording it and if
> so why ?
>
> Is it just coincidence that the Sussex's book is about to be released ?
>
> Off now to read the "official" transcript...
>
> Tom Cullen
> Thanks to Ms Wyatt for this sane column. By the by, Ms "Fulani" was born
> with a completely Anglo name, but has been parading herself as Ngozi
> Fulani for many years. She comes to an international forum on violence
> against women with a name-tag bearing her adopted, not actual,
> Africanised name, wearing dreadlocks and African dress, and is then
> shocked out of her mind that a doddering but kindly 80+ Englishwoman
> asks where she is from.
>
> Meanwhile, great activist that she is on behalf of women the globe over
> being raped, tortured, imprisoned, killed by partners, Ms "Fulani"
> managed to obliterate all public focus on the cause at the heart of the
> event to which all those high-profile women were invited. All attention
> is now, instead, on Ms Fulani and her traumatic experience of "prolonged
> racism" - despite footage from the event showing her speaking animatedly
> to the Queen afterward. There are also photographs of Ms Fulani many
> years ago showing her laughing delightedly sitting next to the then
> Prince of Wales at another event.
>
> Ms Fulani is also on record as stating on Twitter, after the Sussex's
> disastrous, and filled with lies interview with Oprah Winfrey, that "it
> appears that Meghan suffered domestic violence from her in-laws". That
> any activist for this issue would equate the violence that kills, maims,
> and mars the lives of millions of women globally each year with Meghan
> pouting about how she wasn't treated as well as she thought she
> deserved, for which Meghan smeared an entire family with totally
> unsupported claims such that even her hand-puppet, Omid Scobie, admitted
> that Meghan "might have misinterpreted" why her son wasn't made an HRH
> at birth . . .
>
> Ms Fulani managed to erase all public focus on the reason for the event,
> and instead placed it squarely on herself. The other women present from
> other countries might as well have saved the carbon emissions it cost
> the environment to attend. The good the event might have done on our
> side of the Pond, and that the Waleses are trying to do for the planet
> on the other side, all into the bin because of a hugely overblown story
> that gives yet another questionable "activist" lots of headline space.
> And, how is that Ms Fulani also came prepared to record private
> conversations?
>
> Misan Harriman, by the way, is a close friend of the Sussexes.
> Fulani/Headley has accused the RF of domestic violence against Meghan.
> And all just as the Prince and Princess of Wales set out on an extremely
> important foreign visit, Prince Harry's case trying to force Britain to
> give him the right to armed 24/7 security is upcoming, a retiring
> security officer suddenly feels minded to talk about threats to Meghan
> whilst she was enjoying all the perks of royalty, and the Sussexes
> prepare to court round condemnation for accepting an award based on
> spurious charges of racism against an entire family - whose name Meghan
> brandishes at every opportunity, and who put her on the global map in a
> way her own talents failed to do after two decades trying.
>
> The irony is, the reception for the Waleses in Boston was absolutely
> rapturous, and, yet again, the Waleses look like nothing so much as the
> victims of a deliberate smear campaign.
>
> The Palace should have looked up Fulani's/Headley's track record on
> public comments and left her off the guest list. In future, it should do
> a better job of vetting guests and insist that mobiles be left at the door.
>
> This is a poster illustration for that old adage, "No good deed goes
> unpunished."
>
I have just read another similar account of the incident. I had some
sympathy for Fulani and less for Lady Susan, but this is rapidly being
reversed - I still think Lady Susan was out of order if the account is
precisely true (though I can't quite imagine an elderly court lady
'lifting the dreadlocks out of the way to reveal the name') as the
dialogue recounted does make it sound as if she was trying to pin Fulani
as non-British. But Fulani - or Mary Headley as she apparently is - is
well out of order for mounting such a transparently Marklesque attack on
the Royal Family. I get the impression that she was probably out for
Camilla but had to be satisfied with an elderly lady in waiting.

--
Kate B

On 02/12/2022 14:06, BrritSki wrote:
> On 02/12/2022 13:34, Vicky wrote:
>>
>> I agree it is not as reported. Aparently the offended lady went wired
>> up to record the incident.
>
> The whole thing is very curious. Interesting article in the Spectator on
> it here:
> <https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/in-defence-of-lady-susan-hussey/>
>
> First comment is rather revealing (text below)
>
> Why was she able to provide a transcript ? Was she recording it and if
> so why ?
>
> Is it just coincidence that the Sussex's book is about to be released ?
>
> Off now to read the "official" transcript...
>
> Tom Cullen
> Thanks to Ms Wyatt for this sane column.

Establishment figure defends establishment shock.And I'm not at all sure
what Mr Hussey's forename or the arrangement of his lower limbs has to
do with his wife's prejudices or lack of them.

By the by, Ms "Fulani" was born
> with a completely Anglo name, but has been parading herself as Ngozi
> Fulani for many years.

There's a man due to headline the Pyramid Stage at Glastonbury next year
who has been parading himself under a different name from the one he was
born with (as does a Bachelor Boy who once went on a Summer Holiday). So
what? To suggest this is a Bad Thing for Ms Fulani is to ignore the long
history that means she was born with an Anglo name which was in all
probability forced on her family when their own name was taken from them.

[snip]
>
> Meanwhile, great activist that she is on behalf of women the globe over
> being raped, tortured, imprisoned, killed by partners, Ms "Fulani"
> managed to obliterate all public focus on the cause at the heart of the
> event to which all those high-profile women were invited.

THis I have some sympathy with, it is indeed a shame that the issue of
violence against women has taken a lower profile than it deserves, but
both that and racism are injustices and both deserve to be protested
against. It should not be Either/Or.

> All attention
> is now, instead, on Ms Fulani and her traumatic experience of "prolonged
> racism" - despite footage from the event showing her speaking animatedly
> to the Queen afterward. There are also photographs of Ms Fulani many
> years ago showing her laughing delightedly sitting next to the then
> Prince of Wales at another event.

Perhaps they did not behave in a racist manner. Just a thought,

[snip rest of attempted character assassination using emotive language
and de-contextualised facts]

john