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Re: USA to blame

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 by: Petzl - Mon, 25 Apr 2022 08:17 UTC

On Sun, 24 Apr 2022 23:38:46 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
<banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Monday, 25 April 2022 at 16:08:23 UTC+10, petzl wrote:
>> On Sun, 24 Apr 2022 21:50:56 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Saturday, 23 April 2022 at 23:02:10 UTC+10, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
>> >> On Wednesday, 6 April 2022 at 22:12:45 UTC+10, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
>> >> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMzZ_lVHv_A
>> >> > Mersheimer sounds reasonable.
>> >>
>> He was and still is referring to Ukraine ambitions in 2006 to join
>> NATO never happened then, was not happening in 2022.
>
>Irrelevant.
>All Ukraine had to do was to say they would remain neutral.
>But they wanted to be part of NATO, just as Sweden and Finland now.
>Had they remained neutral, they would have got benefits from both sides.
>Or they could have split amicably as in Czechoslovakia.
>But they chose to persecute ethnic Russians.
>Bad idea, when Russia is so near. And still powerful, with nukes.
>
Ukraine was NEVER out to join NATO. NATO never wanted them.
Russia is and has always been run by genocidal tyrant idiots,
Putin the worst. Always throwing temper tantrums and having people
murdered.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_in_Russia>
>
>> In 2013 Ukraine wanted to become part of the European Union which was
>> very popular with Ukrainians, Putin stepped in then and stopped it,
>> but offered Ukraine $1.5 Billion and third discount on Russian gas
>> price, this was not popular with Ukrainians. Zelensky was voted in to
>> restore a move for Ukraine to join the EU, not NATO
>
>Forgetting the 2014 coup and the 14000 Russians killed in the Donbass, are we?
>Zelensky is evidently a CIA agent, out to ruin Ukraine for the good of US military-industrial complex, trying out new technology, etc.
>Yes elections can be won by a foreign agent when there is a lot of money and the people are stupid.
>
You are nuts
Putin does not care about the lives of his military never has,
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War>
>
>> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74iAMskV68Y
>> >> Prof. Mearsheimer answers questions, says he cannot see how this will end.
>> >> It could last for years unless something unforeseen happens.
>> >
>> >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hg3WKP2iirs
>> >The US ambassador to Russia agrees with Prof. M
>> >
>> Putin is complacent with his war criminal tactics!
>> Now, Putin has shifted to Ukraine and is using the very same playbook
>> used to catastrophic effect in Syria and Chechnya. (The Kremlin,
>> meanwhile, denies war crimes and says Russian military forces are not
>> targeting civilians. Just Russian lies, they always have done this
>> nothing new)
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Keelhaul
>> Always targeting heavily, residential civilian areas with hospitals
>> and schools, forcing civilians to flee from danger. He has created
>> columns of refugees and destroyed the fabric of society.
>>
>> try reading some truth instead of commie supporting liar
>> <https://www.wsj.com/articles/chechnyas-brutal-lesson-for-ukraine-11648872061>
>> https://tinyurl.com/yytygd6s
--
Petzl
Stalin has decreed that murder is a capitalist disease; there is no
murder in a communist paradise. The soviet governments job was to
shoot and kill anyone who had proof of something different

"Our" government and media decree that this "secular multiculturalism
paradise" does not have immigrant crime and remove anyone stating
different!.

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 by: Arindam Banerjee - Mon, 25 Apr 2022 08:41 UTC

On Monday, 25 April 2022 at 18:17:37 UTC+10, petzl wrote:
> On Sun, 24 Apr 2022 23:38:46 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Monday, 25 April 2022 at 16:08:23 UTC+10, petzl wrote:
> >> On Sun, 24 Apr 2022 21:50:56 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Saturday, 23 April 2022 at 23:02:10 UTC+10, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
> >> >> On Wednesday, 6 April 2022 at 22:12:45 UTC+10, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
> >> >> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMzZ_lVHv_A
> >> >> > Mersheimer sounds reasonable.
> >> >>
> >> He was and still is referring to Ukraine ambitions in 2006 to join
> >> NATO never happened then, was not happening in 2022.
> >
> >Irrelevant.
> >All Ukraine had to do was to say they would remain neutral.
> >But they wanted to be part of NATO, just as Sweden and Finland now.
> >Had they remained neutral, they would have got benefits from both sides.
> >Or they could have split amicably as in Czechoslovakia.
> >But they chose to persecute ethnic Russians.
> >Bad idea, when Russia is so near. And still powerful, with nukes.
> >
> Ukraine was NEVER out to join NATO. \

Not what the rational world including Prof M says.

> NATO never wanted them.

They armed and trained them to be sacrifices for the USAn greed.
No doubt about that.

> Russia is and has always been run by genocidal tyrant idiots,

And yet they are so much better than the West, going by records of invasions and genocide.

> Putin the worst. Always throwing temper tantrums and having people
> murdered.
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_in_Russia>

I got death threats from UK chaps back in the 1990s when I merely published poetry online in usenet.
Then there were USAns who wanted to beat me up for proving e=mcc is rubbish as it is the result of a bungle.
Typical suppression tactics.
Assange is harassed in the West.

I had a fine time in Russia, as I followed the rules.
That could be difficult for one who is some kind of saboteur in journalist garb.

> >> In 2013 Ukraine wanted to become part of the European Union which was
> >> very popular with Ukrainians, Putin stepped in then and stopped it,
> >> but offered Ukraine $1.5 Billion and third discount on Russian gas
> >> price, this was not popular with Ukrainians. Zelensky was voted in to
> >> restore a move for Ukraine to join the EU, not NATO
> >
> >Forgetting the 2014 coup and the 14000 Russians killed in the Donbass, are we?
> >Zelensky is evidently a CIA agent, out to ruin Ukraine for the good of US military-industrial complex, trying out new technology, etc.
> >Yes elections can be won by a foreign agent when there is a lot of money and the people are stupid.
> >
> You are nuts
> Putin does not care about the lives of his military never has,
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War>

You are a rabid and ignorant fool.
Putin does not command the military like Stalin did.
He gives overall direction, like any politician.
Russian military is reformed. Does not follow political commissars any more.

> >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74iAMskV68Y
> >> >> Prof. Mearsheimer answers questions, says he cannot see how this will end.
> >> >> It could last for years unless something unforeseen happens.
> >> >
> >> >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hg3WKP2iirs
> >> >The US ambassador to Russia agrees with Prof. M
> >> >
>

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 by: Arindam Banerjee - Mon, 25 Apr 2022 08:51 UTC

On Monday, 25 April 2022 at 15:13:23 UTC+10, Rod Speed wrote:
> Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
> > Arindam Banerjee wrote
> >> Arindam Banerjee wrote
>
> >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMzZ_lVHv_A
> >>> Mersheimer sounds reasonable.
> Only to fools like you.

Not so, dumbfuck.
The US ambassador to Russia thinks like I do, and why not.
They do not send fools to be ambassadors.

> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74iAMskV68Y
> >> Prof. Mearsheimer answers questions, says he cannot see how this will
> >> end.
> >> It could last for years unless something unforeseen happens.
>
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hg3WKP2iirs
> > The US ambassador to Russia agrees with Prof. M
> Who cares, just two fools.

Not just a lying arsehole, but a sad dumbfuck too -
Such is Rod Speed, as is known from Rome to Timbuktu.

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 by: Rod Speed - Mon, 25 Apr 2022 09:18 UTC

On Mon, 25 Apr 2022 16:38:46 +1000, Arindam Banerjee
<banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Monday, 25 April 2022 at 16:08:23 UTC+10, petzl wrote:
>> On Sun, 24 Apr 2022 21:50:56 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Saturday, 23 April 2022 at 23:02:10 UTC+10, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
>> >> On Wednesday, 6 April 2022 at 22:12:45 UTC+10, Arindam Banerjee
>> wrote:
>> >> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMzZ_lVHv_A
>> >> > Mersheimer sounds reasonable.
>> >>
>> He was and still is referring to Ukraine ambitions in 2006 to join
>> NATO never happened then, was not happening in 2022.

> Irrelevant.

Bullshit.

> All Ukraine had to do was to say they would remain neutral.

They have to choose between the EU and russia, fuckwit.

> But they wanted to be part of NATO,

Wrong, as always. And even if they did, that is none of Putin's business.

> just as Sweden and Finland now.

Neither have decided to join NATO yet, and if they do, it
will be because of what that arsehole Putin has just done
to ensure that arsehole Putin doesn't try it with them.

> Had they remained neutral, they would have got benefits from both sides.

More of your mindless pig ignorant bullshit. Putin would
not have handed them what he did if they had done that
and the EU certainly doesnt hand out to non EU countrys.

> Or they could have split amicably as in Czechoslovakia.

Different situation entirely. The Ukraine isnt ukrainians and
russians, it is ukrainians and ex russian army immigrants, fuckwit.

> But they chose to persecute ethnic Russians.

More of your pig ignorant bullshit.

> Bad idea, when Russia is so near. And still powerful, with nukes.

>> In 2013 Ukraine wanted to become part of the European Union which was
>> very popular with Ukrainians, Putin stepped in then and stopped it,
>> but offered Ukraine $1.5 Billion and third discount on Russian gas
>> price, this was not popular with Ukrainians. Zelensky was voted in to
>> restore a move for Ukraine to join the EU, not NATO

> Forgetting the 2014 coup

Never happened.

> and the 14000 Russians killed in the Donbass,

Only happened because those immigrants
tried to grab part of the ukraine, fuckwit.

> are we?

Just how many of you are there between those ears, curry muncher ?

> Zelensky is evidently a CIA agent,

Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed narcissistic fantasys.

> out to ruin Ukraine for the good of US military-industrial complex,
> trying out new technology, etc.

Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed narcissistic fantasys.

Putin was the one who invaded, fuckwit.

> Yes elections can be won by a foreign agent when there is a lot of money
> and the people are stupid.

Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed narcissistic fantasys.

>> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74iAMskV68Y
>> >> Prof. Mearsheimer answers questions, says he cannot see how this
>> will end.
>> >> It could last for years unless something unforeseen happens.
>> >
>> >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hg3WKP2iirs
>> >The US ambassador to Russia agrees with Prof. M
>> >
>> Putin is complacent with his war criminal tactics!
>> Now, Putin has shifted to Ukraine and is using the very same playbook
>> used to catastrophic effect in Syria and Chechnya. (The Kremlin,
>> meanwhile, denies war crimes and says Russian military forces are not
>> targeting civilians. Just Russian lies, they always have done this
>> nothing new)
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Keelhaul
>> Always targeting heavily, residential civilian areas with hospitals
>> and schools, forcing civilians to flee from danger. He has created
>> columns of refugees and destroyed the fabric of society.
>>
>> try reading some truth instead of commie supporting liar
>> <https://www.wsj.com/articles/chechnyas-brutal-lesson-for-ukraine-11648872061>
>> https://tinyurl.com/yytygd6s

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Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
>> > Arindam Banerjee wrote
>> >> Arindam Banerjee wrote

>> >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMzZ_lVHv_A
>> >>> Mersheimer sounds reasonable.

>> Only to fools like you.

> Not so, dumbfuck.

We'll see, fuckwit.

> The US ambassador to Russia thinks like I do,

Bullshit he does on why Putin invaded the Ukraine.

> and why not.

Because he is nothing like as stupid as you.

> They do not send fools to be ambassadors.

Even sillier and more pig ignorant than you usually manage and that's
saying something.

>> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74iAMskV68Y
>> >> Prof. Mearsheimer answers questions, says he cannot see how this will
>> >> end.
>> >> It could last for years unless something unforeseen happens.
>>
>> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hg3WKP2iirs
>> > The US ambassador to Russia agrees with Prof. M

>> Who cares, just two fools.

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On Monday, 25 April 2022 at 19:26:30 UTC+10, Rod Speed wrote:
> Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
> > Rod Speed wrote
> >> Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
> >> > Arindam Banerjee wrote
> >> >> Arindam Banerjee wrote
>
> >> >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMzZ_lVHv_A
> >> >>> Mersheimer sounds reasonable.
>
> >> Only to fools like you.
>
> > Not so, dumbfuck.
> We'll see, fuckwit.
What, arsehole?
I see you are full of it.
> > The US ambassador to Russia thinks like I do,
> Bullshit he does on why Putin invaded the Ukraine.
Fool, he agrees with Mearsheimer.
Which is, that USA is to blame for the invasion.
For ignoring Russia's legitimate security concerns.
>
> > and why not.
>
> Because he is nothing like as stupid as you.

None wise than I, none stupider than Rod.
Those foolish to follow his sort get Ukrained.

> > They do not send fools to be ambassadors.
> Even sillier and more pig ignorant than you usually manage and that's
> saying something.

Typical Rodspeak: twisting mightily, as if there is, up his, a heated iron rod.
Those foolish to follow his sort get Ukrained.

> >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74iAMskV68Y
> >> >> Prof. Mearsheimer answers questions, says he cannot see how this will
> >> >> end.
> >> >> It could last for years unless something unforeseen happens.
> >>
> >> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hg3WKP2iirs
> >> > The US ambassador to Russia agrees with Prof. M
>
> >> Who cares, just two fools.

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On Monday, 25 April 2022 at 19:18:10 UTC+10, Rod Speed wrote:
> On Mon, 25 Apr 2022 16:38:46 +1000, Arindam Banerjee
> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Monday, 25 April 2022 at 16:08:23 UTC+10, petzl wrote:
> >> On Sun, 24 Apr 2022 21:50:56 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Saturday, 23 April 2022 at 23:02:10 UTC+10, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
> >> >> On Wednesday, 6 April 2022 at 22:12:45 UTC+10, Arindam Banerjee
> >> wrote:
> >> >> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMzZ_lVHv_A
> >> >> > Mersheimer sounds reasonable.
> >> >>
> >> He was and still is referring to Ukraine ambitions in 2006 to join
> >> NATO never happened then, was not happening in 2022.
>
> > Irrelevant.
> Bullshit.
Now that is Rod, bullshitting as always.
> > All Ukraine had to do was to say they would remain neutral.
> They have to choose between the EU and russia, fuckwit.

That was nothing to do with the invasion, dumbfuck.
Ukraine had and has a very bad leadership.
Disastrous, really. So sad.
Who wants such stupids as leaders!

> > But they wanted to be part of NATO,
> Wrong, as always. And even if they did, that is none of Putin's business.

It is perfectly true that they wanted to be part of NATO like Poland etc.
And that made it Putin's business.
Just as Cuba was for US.

> > just as Sweden and Finland now.
> Neither have decided to join NATO yet, and if they do, it
> will be because of what that arsehole Putin has just done
> to ensure that arsehole Putin doesn't try it with them.

Being a fool, you cannot understand what I write.
Ukraine never joined NATO, but wanted to.
So they got invaded.
If Sweden and Finland try to join NATO they too may get invaded.
So they better not try that path.

> > Had they remained neutral, they would have got benefits from both sides.
> More of your mindless pig ignorant bullshit.

Ignorant fool, try reading up on nonalignment policy.

Putin would
> not have handed them what he did if they had done that
> and the EU certainly doesnt hand out to non EU countrys.

incoherent babble.

> > Or they could have split amicably as in Czechoslovakia.

> Different situation entirely. The Ukraine isnt ukrainians and
> russians, it is ukrainians and ex russian army immigrants, fuckwit.

Bare faced lie. The West is Polish-type Catholic and the East is Russian Orthodox.
They could have partitioned peacefully.

> > But they chose to persecute ethnic Russians.
> More of your pig ignorant bullshit.

Not what Putin and his Parliament think, dumbfuck.
Which is what matters.
Most agree that there was civil war in the Donbass for 8 years.
That was another casus belli.

> > Bad idea, when Russia is so near. And still powerful, with nukes.
>
> >> In 2013 Ukraine wanted to become part of the European Union which was
> >> very popular with Ukrainians, Putin stepped in then and stopped it,
> >> but offered Ukraine $1.5 Billion and third discount on Russian gas
> >> price, this was not popular with Ukrainians. Zelensky was voted in to
> >> restore a move for Ukraine to join the EU, not NATO
>
> > Forgetting the 2014 coup
> Never happened.

Heh. All know the pro-Russian leader was ousted after Western interference.
Plenty of violence then.

> > and the 14000 Russians killed in the Donbass,
> Only happened because those immigrants
> tried to grab part of the ukraine, fuckwit.

They already got Crimea which had Russian majority, dumbfuck.
Why not give up on Donbass peacefully? Regions wanting to secede could vote under international supervision.
They will be forced to do that - give up Donbass - now.
No need for this mess had they more sense.
Evidently the Ukraine leaders are as stupid as Rod.
Could not be stupider, of course.

> > are we?
>
> Just how many of you are there between those ears, curry muncher ?

Don't know your pedigree, Rod, exactly what out of the gutters is it?

> > Zelensky is evidently a CIA agent,
> Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed narcissistic fantasys.
> > out to ruin Ukraine for the good of US military-industrial complex,
> > trying out new technology, etc.
> Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed narcissistic fantasys.

Nah, dumbfuck. He is nothing Ukrainian, just a US plant as per youtube info.
He has ruined Ukraine, no question of that.
Not all your lies and abuse can change that fact.
Ukraine was ok with Russia for decades before the 2014 coup that
led to the creation of this puppet.
Putin wants to avoid such a coup in Moscow.

> Putin was the one who invaded, fuckwit.

He had to. USA is to blame for that. According to Prof. Mearsheimer.
US was up to no good.
Trying to stick nukes up Russia's belly, staging a coup in Kiev, also tried that in Kazakhstan! Failed there.
Well, Putin expounds the Monroe Doctrine in his region.
Why does US complain? Putin flatters them by imitation.
> > Yes elections can be won by a foreign agent when there is a lot of money
> > and the people are stupid.
> Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed narcissistic fantasys.

Learn tspell, creep.
> >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74iAMskV68Y
> >> >> Prof. Mearsheimer answers questions, says he cannot see how this
> >> will end.
> >> >> It could last for years unless something unforeseen happens.
> >> >
> >> >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hg3WKP2iirs
> >> >The US ambassador to Russia agrees with Prof. M
> >> >
> >> Putin is complacent with his war criminal tactics!
> >> Now, Putin has shifted to Ukraine and is using the very same playbook
> >> used to catastrophic effect in Syria and Chechnya. (The Kremlin,
> >> meanwhile, denies war crimes and says Russian military forces are not
> >> targeting civilians. Just Russian lies, they always have done this
> >> nothing new)
> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Keelhaul
> >> Always targeting heavily, residential civilian areas with hospitals
> >> and schools, forcing civilians to flee from danger. He has created
> >> columns of refugees and destroyed the fabric of society.
> >>
> >> try reading some truth instead of commie supporting liar
> >> <https://www.wsj.com/articles/chechnyas-brutal-lesson-for-ukraine-11648872061>
> >> https://tinyurl.com/yytygd6s

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 by: Rod Speed - Mon, 25 Apr 2022 16:48 UTC

Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
>> > Rod Speed wrote
>> >> Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
>> >> > Arindam Banerjee wrote
>> >> >> Arindam Banerjee wrote
>>
>> >> >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMzZ_lVHv_A
>> >> >>> Mersheimer sounds reasonable.
>>
>> >> Only to fools like you.
>>
>> > Not so, dumbfuck.

>> We'll see, fuckwit.

<reams of your shit any 3 year old could leave for dead flushed where it
belongs>

>> > The US ambassador to Russia thinks like I do,

>> Bullshit he does on why Putin invaded the Ukraine.

> Fool, he agrees with Mearsheimer.

You have no fucking idea if he does or not.

That shit was spewed in 2015 long before the invasion, fuckwit.

> Which is, that USA is to blame for the invasion.

Only fools are actually THAT stupid.

> For ignoring Russia's legitimate security concerns.

More of your utterly mindless bullshit.

The Ukraine is welcome to decide that the EU works
a hell of a lot better than russia does and join it.

>>> and why not.

>> Because he is nothing like as stupid as you.

<reams of your shit any 3 year old could leave for dead flushed where it
belongs>

>> > They do not send fools to be ambassadors.

>> Even sillier and more pig ignorant than you usually manage and that's
>> saying something.

<reams of your shit any 3 year old could leave for dead flushed where it
belongs>>

>> >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74iAMskV68Y
>> >> >> Prof. Mearsheimer answers questions, says he cannot see how this
>> will
>> >> >> end.
>> >> >> It could last for years unless something unforeseen happens.
>> >>
>> >> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hg3WKP2iirs
>> >> > The US ambassador to Russia agrees with Prof. M
>>
>> >> Who cares, just two fools.

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 by: Rod Speed - Mon, 25 Apr 2022 16:51 UTC

On Mon, 25 Apr 2022 20:40:50 +1000, Arindam Banerjee
<banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Monday, 25 April 2022 at 19:18:10 UTC+10, Rod Speed wrote:
>> On Mon, 25 Apr 2022 16:38:46 +1000, Arindam Banerjee
>> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On Monday, 25 April 2022 at 16:08:23 UTC+10, petzl wrote:
>> >> On Sun, 24 Apr 2022 21:50:56 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >On Saturday, 23 April 2022 at 23:02:10 UTC+10, Arindam Banerjee
>> wrote:
>> >> >> On Wednesday, 6 April 2022 at 22:12:45 UTC+10, Arindam Banerjee
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMzZ_lVHv_A
>> >> >> > Mersheimer sounds reasonable.
>> >> >>
>> >> He was and still is referring to Ukraine ambitions in 2006 to join
>> >> NATO never happened then, was not happening in 2022.
>>
>> > Irrelevant.
>> Bullshit.

<reams of your shit any 3 year old could leave for dead flushed where it
belongs>

>> > All Ukraine had to do was to say they would remain neutral.

>> They have the right to choose between the EU and russia, fuckwit.

> That was nothing to do with the invasion

Even sillier and more pig ignorant than you usually manage and that's
saying something.

> Ukraine had and has a very bad leadership.
> Disastrous, really. So sad.

Putin gets no say what so ever on that, fuckwit.

> Who wants such stupids as leaders!

The Ukrainians, fuckwit.

>> > But they wanted to be part of NATO,
>> Wrong, as always. And even if they did, that is none of Putin's
>> business.

> It is perfectly true that they wanted to be part of NATO like Poland etc.

More of your mindless bullshit.

> And that made it Putin's business.

Bullshit it did. And you can't even manage a consistent
line in mindless bullshit and lies. Below you stupidly
claim that the reason Putin invaded is because of the
number of russian immigrants killed in the Ukraine.

> Just as Cuba was for US.

Nothing like. The US didn't invade Cuba, fuckwit.

>> > just as Sweden and Finland now.

>> Neither have decided to join NATO yet, and if they do, it
>> will be because of what that arsehole Putin has just done
>> to ensure that arsehole Putin doesn't try it with them.

> Being a fool, you cannot understand what I write.

We'll see...

> Ukraine never joined NATO,

Never said they did, fuckwit.

> but wanted to.

Nope, they wanted to join the EU because it
works a hell of a lot better than russia does.

> So they got invaded.

You can't even manage a consistent line in mindless
bullshit and lies. Below you stupidly claim that the
reason Putin invaded is because of the number of
russian immigrants killed in the Ukraine.

> If Sweden and Finland try to join NATO they too may get invaded.

Not a chance, you watch.

> So they better not try that path.

If they get invaded, bye bye Putin, you watch.

>> > Had they remained neutral, they would have got benefits from both
>> sides.

>> More of your mindless pig ignorant bullshit.

> Ignorant fool, try reading up on nonalignment policy.

Don't need to, I have been watching India get no benefits
what so ever with that approach since before you were born.

Indonesia too.

> Putin would
>> not have handed them what he did if they had done that
>> and the EU certainly doesnt hand out to non EU countrys.

<reams of your shit any 3 year old could leave for dead flushed where it
belongs>>

>> > Or they could have split amicably as in Czechoslovakia.
>
>> Different situation entirely. The Ukraine isnt ukrainians and
>> russians, it is ukrainians and ex russian army immigrants, fuckwit.

> Bare faced lie.

Fact actually.

> The West is Polish-type Catholic and the East is Russian Orthodox.

Czechoslovakia aint about religion, fuckwit.

> They could have partitioned peacefully.

Just like India eh ?

>> > But they chose to persecute ethnic Russians.

>> More of your pig ignorant bullshit.

> Not what Putin and his Parliament think

Bullshit. Both know that it was the russian non badged
military that got killed there, for a good reason.

> Which is what matters.
> Most agree that there was civil war in the Donbass for 8 years.

Nope, Putin's russian non badged military invaded.

When that didn't work, Putin invaded much more aggressively.

> That was another casus belli.

Bullshit, your trademark.

>> > Bad idea, when Russia is so near. And still powerful, with nukes.

>> >> In 2013 Ukraine wanted to become part of the European Union which was
>> >> very popular with Ukrainians, Putin stepped in then and stopped it,
>> >> but offered Ukraine $1.5 Billion and third discount on Russian gas
>> >> price, this was not popular with Ukrainians. Zelensky was voted in to
>> >> restore a move for Ukraine to join the EU, not NATO

>> > Forgetting the 2014 coup

>> Never happened.
>
> Heh. All know the pro-Russian leader was ousted after Western
> interference.

Bullshit, your trademark.

> Plenty of violence then.

But no coup, fuckwit.

>> > and the 14000 Russians killed in the Donbass,

>> Only happened because those immigrants
>> tried to grab part of the ukraine, fuckwit.

> They already got Crimea which had Russian majority

That happened later, fuckwit.

> Why not give up on Donbass peacefully?

Because there isn't a majority of russians there, fuckwit.

> Regions wanting to secede could vote under international supervision.

If that happened, it would be obvious that there arent
enough russians there to see it go to russia.

And anyway, it makes absolutely no sense for lots of
immigrants to show up and demand that where they
move to must be given to the country they left, fuckwit.

> They will be forced to do that - give up Donbass - now.

No chance, you watch.

> No need for this mess had they more sense.

Just like the partition of India, eh ?

<reams of your shit any 3 year old could leave for dead flushed where it
belongs>>

>> > Zelensky is evidently a CIA agent,

>> Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed narcissistic fantasys.

>> > out to ruin Ukraine for the good of US military-industrial complex,
>> > trying out new technology, etc.

>> Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed narcissistic fantasys.

> Nah, dumbfuck. He is nothing Ukrainian, just a US plant as per youtube
> info.

Just because some one eyed fool claims something...

> He has ruined Ukraine, no question of that.

Nope, that arsehole Putin has.

<reams of your shit any 3 year old could leave for dead flushed where it
belongs>

> Ukraine was ok with Russia for decades before the 2014 coup that
> led to the creation of this puppet.

More of your mindless pig ignorant bullshit.

They chose to leave the USSR, just like Poland
and countless other countrys did, fuckwit.

> Putin wants to avoid such a coup in Moscow.

Even sillier than you usually manage and that's saying something.

>> Putin was the one who invaded, fuckwit.

> He had to. USA is to blame for that. According to Prof. Mearsheimer.
> US was up to no good.

That fool never had a fucking clue.

> Trying to stick nukes up Russia's belly, staging a coup in Kiev, also
> tried that in Kazakhstan! Failed there.
> Well, Putin expounds the Monroe Doctrine in his region.
> Why does US complain? Putin flatters them by imitation.

Even sillier than you usually manage and that's saying something.

>> > Yes elections can be won by a foreign agent when there is a lot of
>> money
>> > and the people are stupid.

>> Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed narcissistic fantasys.

> Learn tspell, creep.

Hilarious, as always.

Clearly that is the best you can manage.

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On Tuesday, 26 April 2022 at 02:51:59 UTC+10, Rod Speed wrote:
> On Mon, 25 Apr 2022 20:40:50 +1000, Arindam Banerjee
> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Monday, 25 April 2022 at 19:18:10 UTC+10, Rod Speed wrote:
> >> On Mon, 25 Apr 2022 16:38:46 +1000, Arindam Banerjee
> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > On Monday, 25 April 2022 at 16:08:23 UTC+10, petzl wrote:
> >> >> On Sun, 24 Apr 2022 21:50:56 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
> >> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >On Saturday, 23 April 2022 at 23:02:10 UTC+10, Arindam Banerjee
> >> wrote:
> >> >> >> On Wednesday, 6 April 2022 at 22:12:45 UTC+10, Arindam Banerjee
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMzZ_lVHv_A
> >> >> >> > Mersheimer sounds reasonable.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> He was and still is referring to Ukraine ambitions in 2006 to join
> >> >> NATO never happened then, was not happening in 2022.
> >>
> >> > Irrelevant.
> >> Bullshit.
> <reams of your shit any 3 year old could leave for dead flushed where it
> belongs>
> >> > All Ukraine had to do was to say they would remain neutral.
> >> They have the right to choose between the EU and russia, fuckwit.
> > That was nothing to do with the invasion
> Even sillier and more pig ignorant than you usually manage and that's
> saying something.
> > Ukraine had and has a very bad leadership.
> > Disastrous, really. So sad.
> Putin gets no say what so ever on that, fuckwit.
> > Who wants such stupids as leaders!
> The Ukrainians, fuckwit.
> >> > But they wanted to be part of NATO,
> >> Wrong, as always. And even if they did, that is none of Putin's
> >> business.
>
> > It is perfectly true that they wanted to be part of NATO like Poland etc.
> More of your mindless bullshit.
> > And that made it Putin's business.
> Bullshit it did. And you can't even manage a consistent
> line in mindless bullshit and lies. Below you stupidly
> claim that the reason Putin invaded is because of the
> number of russian immigrants killed in the Ukraine.
> > Just as Cuba was for US.
> Nothing like. The US didn't invade Cuba, fuckwit.
> >> > just as Sweden and Finland now.
>
> >> Neither have decided to join NATO yet, and if they do, it
> >> will be because of what that arsehole Putin has just done
> >> to ensure that arsehole Putin doesn't try it with them.
>
> > Being a fool, you cannot understand what I write.
> We'll see...
>
> > Ukraine never joined NATO,
>
> Never said they did, fuckwit.
>
> > but wanted to.
>
> Nope, they wanted to join the EU because it
> works a hell of a lot better than russia does.
>
> > So they got invaded.
>
> You can't even manage a consistent line in mindless
> bullshit and lies. Below you stupidly claim that the
> reason Putin invaded is because of the number of
> russian immigrants killed in the Ukraine.
> > If Sweden and Finland try to join NATO they too may get invaded.
> Not a chance, you watch.
> > So they better not try that path.
> If they get invaded, bye bye Putin, you watch.
> >> > Had they remained neutral, they would have got benefits from both
> >> sides.
>
> >> More of your mindless pig ignorant bullshit.
>
> > Ignorant fool, try reading up on nonalignment policy.
> Don't need to, I have been watching India get no benefits
> what so ever with that approach since before you were born.
>
> Indonesia too.
> > Putin would
> >> not have handed them what he did if they had done that
> >> and the EU certainly doesnt hand out to non EU countrys.
> <reams of your shit any 3 year old could leave for dead flushed where it
> belongs>>
> >> > Or they could have split amicably as in Czechoslovakia.
> >
> >> Different situation entirely. The Ukraine isnt ukrainians and
> >> russians, it is ukrainians and ex russian army immigrants, fuckwit.
>
> > Bare faced lie.
> Fact actually.
> > The West is Polish-type Catholic and the East is Russian Orthodox.
> Czechoslovakia aint about religion, fuckwit.
> > They could have partitioned peacefully.
> Just like India eh ?
> >> > But they chose to persecute ethnic Russians.
>
> >> More of your pig ignorant bullshit.
>
> > Not what Putin and his Parliament think
> Bullshit. Both know that it was the russian non badged
> military that got killed there, for a good reason.
> > Which is what matters.
> > Most agree that there was civil war in the Donbass for 8 years.
> Nope, Putin's russian non badged military invaded.
>
> When that didn't work, Putin invaded much more aggressively.
> > That was another casus belli.
> Bullshit, your trademark.
> >> > Bad idea, when Russia is so near. And still powerful, with nukes.
>
> >> >> In 2013 Ukraine wanted to become part of the European Union which was
> >> >> very popular with Ukrainians, Putin stepped in then and stopped it,
> >> >> but offered Ukraine $1.5 Billion and third discount on Russian gas
> >> >> price, this was not popular with Ukrainians. Zelensky was voted in to
> >> >> restore a move for Ukraine to join the EU, not NATO
>
> >> > Forgetting the 2014 coup
>
> >> Never happened.
> >
> > Heh. All know the pro-Russian leader was ousted after Western
> > interference.
> Bullshit, your trademark.
>
> > Plenty of violence then.
>
> But no coup, fuckwit.
> >> > and the 14000 Russians killed in the Donbass,
>
> >> Only happened because those immigrants
> >> tried to grab part of the ukraine, fuckwit.
>
> > They already got Crimea which had Russian majority
> That happened later, fuckwit.
> > Why not give up on Donbass peacefully?
> Because there isn't a majority of russians there, fuckwit.
> > Regions wanting to secede could vote under international supervision.
> If that happened, it would be obvious that there arent
> enough russians there to see it go to russia.
>
> And anyway, it makes absolutely no sense for lots of
> immigrants to show up and demand that where they
> move to must be given to the country they left, fuckwit.
> > They will be forced to do that - give up Donbass - now.
> No chance, you watch.
> > No need for this mess had they more sense.
> Just like the partition of India, eh ?
> <reams of your shit any 3 year old could leave for dead flushed where it
> belongs>>
> >> > Zelensky is evidently a CIA agent,
>
> >> Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed narcissistic fantasys.
>
> >> > out to ruin Ukraine for the good of US military-industrial complex,
> >> > trying out new technology, etc.
>
> >> Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed narcissistic fantasys.
>
> > Nah, dumbfuck. He is nothing Ukrainian, just a US plant as per youtube
> > info.
> Just because some one eyed fool claims something...
> > He has ruined Ukraine, no question of that.
> Nope, that arsehole Putin has.
> <reams of your shit any 3 year old could leave for dead flushed where it
> belongs>
> > Ukraine was ok with Russia for decades before the 2014 coup that
> > led to the creation of this puppet.
> More of your mindless pig ignorant bullshit.
> They chose to leave the USSR, just like Poland
> and countless other countrys did, fuckwit.
> > Putin wants to avoid such a coup in Moscow.
> Even sillier than you usually manage and that's saying something.
> >> Putin was the one who invaded, fuckwit.
>
> > He had to. USA is to blame for that. According to Prof. Mearsheimer.
> > US was up to no good.
> That fool never had a fucking clue.
> > Trying to stick nukes up Russia's belly, staging a coup in Kiev, also
> > tried that in Kazakhstan! Failed there.
> > Well, Putin expounds the Monroe Doctrine in his region.
> > Why does US complain? Putin flatters them by imitation.
> Even sillier than you usually manage and that's saying something.
> >> > Yes elections can be won by a foreign agent when there is a lot of
> >> money
> >> > and the people are stupid.
>
> >> Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed narcissistic fantasys.
>
> > Learn tspell, creep.
> Hilarious, as always.
>
> Clearly that is the best you can manage.


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On Tuesday, 26 April 2022 at 02:51:59 UTC+10, Rod Speed wrote:
> On Mon, 25 Apr 2022 20:40:50 +1000, Arindam Banerjee
> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Monday, 25 April 2022 at 19:18:10 UTC+10, Rod Speed wrote:
> >> On Mon, 25 Apr 2022 16:38:46 +1000, Arindam Banerjee
> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > On Monday, 25 April 2022 at 16:08:23 UTC+10, petzl wrote:
> >> >> On Sun, 24 Apr 2022 21:50:56 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
> >> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >On Saturday, 23 April 2022 at 23:02:10 UTC+10, Arindam Banerjee
> >> wrote:
> >> >> >> On Wednesday, 6 April 2022 at 22:12:45 UTC+10, Arindam Banerjee
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMzZ_lVHv_A
> >> >> >> > Mersheimer sounds reasonable.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> He was and still is referring to Ukraine ambitions in 2006 to join
> >> >> NATO never happened then, was not happening in 2022.
> >>
> >> > Irrelevant.
> >> Bullshit.
> <reams of your shit any 3 year old could leave for dead flushed where it
> belongs>
> >> > All Ukraine had to do was to say they would remain neutral.
> >> They have the right to choose between the EU and russia, fuckwit.
> > That was nothing to do with the invasion
> Even sillier and more pig ignorant than you usually manage and that's
> saying something.
> > Ukraine had and has a very bad leadership.
> > Disastrous, really. So sad.
> Putin gets no say what so ever on that, fuckwit.
> > Who wants such stupids as leaders!
> The Ukrainians, fuckwit.
> >> > But they wanted to be part of NATO,
> >> Wrong, as always. And even if they did, that is none of Putin's
> >> business.
>
> > It is perfectly true that they wanted to be part of NATO like Poland etc.
> More of your mindless bullshit.
> > And that made it Putin's business.
> Bullshit it did. And you can't even manage a consistent
> line in mindless bullshit and lies. Below you stupidly
> claim that the reason Putin invaded is because of the
> number of russian immigrants killed in the Ukraine.
> > Just as Cuba was for US.
> Nothing like. The US didn't invade Cuba, fuckwit.
> >> > just as Sweden and Finland now.
>
> >> Neither have decided to join NATO yet, and if they do, it
> >> will be because of what that arsehole Putin has just done
> >> to ensure that arsehole Putin doesn't try it with them.
>
> > Being a fool, you cannot understand what I write.
> We'll see...
>
> > Ukraine never joined NATO,
>
> Never said they did, fuckwit.
>
> > but wanted to.
>
> Nope, they wanted to join the EU because it
> works a hell of a lot better than russia does.
>
> > So they got invaded.
>
> You can't even manage a consistent line in mindless
> bullshit and lies. Below you stupidly claim that the
> reason Putin invaded is because of the number of
> russian immigrants killed in the Ukraine.
> > If Sweden and Finland try to join NATO they too may get invaded.
> Not a chance, you watch.
> > So they better not try that path.
> If they get invaded, bye bye Putin, you watch.
> >> > Had they remained neutral, they would have got benefits from both
> >> sides.
>
> >> More of your mindless pig ignorant bullshit.
>
> > Ignorant fool, try reading up on nonalignment policy.
> Don't need to, I have been watching India get no benefits
> what so ever with that approach since before you were born.
>
> Indonesia too.
> > Putin would
> >> not have handed them what he did if they had done that
> >> and the EU certainly doesnt hand out to non EU countrys.
> <reams of your shit any 3 year old could leave for dead flushed where it
> belongs>>
> >> > Or they could have split amicably as in Czechoslovakia.
> >
> >> Different situation entirely. The Ukraine isnt ukrainians and
> >> russians, it is ukrainians and ex russian army immigrants, fuckwit.
>
> > Bare faced lie.
> Fact actually.
> > The West is Polish-type Catholic and the East is Russian Orthodox.
> Czechoslovakia aint about religion, fuckwit.
> > They could have partitioned peacefully.
> Just like India eh ?
> >> > But they chose to persecute ethnic Russians.
>
> >> More of your pig ignorant bullshit.
>
> > Not what Putin and his Parliament think
> Bullshit. Both know that it was the russian non badged
> military that got killed there, for a good reason.
> > Which is what matters.
> > Most agree that there was civil war in the Donbass for 8 years.
> Nope, Putin's russian non badged military invaded.
>
> When that didn't work, Putin invaded much more aggressively.
> > That was another casus belli.
> Bullshit, your trademark.
> >> > Bad idea, when Russia is so near. And still powerful, with nukes.
>
> >> >> In 2013 Ukraine wanted to become part of the European Union which was
> >> >> very popular with Ukrainians, Putin stepped in then and stopped it,
> >> >> but offered Ukraine $1.5 Billion and third discount on Russian gas
> >> >> price, this was not popular with Ukrainians. Zelensky was voted in to
> >> >> restore a move for Ukraine to join the EU, not NATO
>
> >> > Forgetting the 2014 coup
>
> >> Never happened.
> >
> > Heh. All know the pro-Russian leader was ousted after Western
> > interference.
> Bullshit, your trademark.
>
> > Plenty of violence then.
>
> But no coup, fuckwit.
> >> > and the 14000 Russians killed in the Donbass,
>
> >> Only happened because those immigrants
> >> tried to grab part of the ukraine, fuckwit.
>
> > They already got Crimea which had Russian majority
> That happened later, fuckwit.
> > Why not give up on Donbass peacefully?
> Because there isn't a majority of russians there, fuckwit.
> > Regions wanting to secede could vote under international supervision.
> If that happened, it would be obvious that there arent
> enough russians there to see it go to russia.
>
> And anyway, it makes absolutely no sense for lots of
> immigrants to show up and demand that where they
> move to must be given to the country they left, fuckwit.
> > They will be forced to do that - give up Donbass - now.
> No chance, you watch.
> > No need for this mess had they more sense.
> Just like the partition of India, eh ?
> <reams of your shit any 3 year old could leave for dead flushed where it
> belongs>>
> >> > Zelensky is evidently a CIA agent,
>
> >> Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed narcissistic fantasys.
>
> >> > out to ruin Ukraine for the good of US military-industrial complex,
> >> > trying out new technology, etc.
>
> >> Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed narcissistic fantasys.
>
> > Nah, dumbfuck. He is nothing Ukrainian, just a US plant as per youtube
> > info.
> Just because some one eyed fool claims something...
> > He has ruined Ukraine, no question of that.
> Nope, that arsehole Putin has.
> <reams of your shit any 3 year old could leave for dead flushed where it
> belongs>
> > Ukraine was ok with Russia for decades before the 2014 coup that
> > led to the creation of this puppet.
> More of your mindless pig ignorant bullshit.
> They chose to leave the USSR, just like Poland
> and countless other countrys did, fuckwit.
> > Putin wants to avoid such a coup in Moscow.
> Even sillier than you usually manage and that's saying something.
> >> Putin was the one who invaded, fuckwit.
>
> > He had to. USA is to blame for that. According to Prof. Mearsheimer.
> > US was up to no good.
> That fool never had a fucking clue.
> > Trying to stick nukes up Russia's belly, staging a coup in Kiev, also
> > tried that in Kazakhstan! Failed there.
> > Well, Putin expounds the Monroe Doctrine in his region.
> > Why does US complain? Putin flatters them by imitation.
> Even sillier than you usually manage and that's saying something.
> >> > Yes elections can be won by a foreign agent when there is a lot of
> >> money
> >> > and the people are stupid.
>
> >> Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed narcissistic fantasys.
>
> > Learn tspell, creep.
> Hilarious, as always.
>
> Clearly that is the best you can manage.


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 by: Rod Speed - Mon, 25 Apr 2022 21:15 UTC

On Tue, 26 Apr 2022 06:44:12 +1000, McCoy <mccoyrufus@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tuesday, 26 April 2022 at 02:51:59 UTC+10, Rod Speed wrote:
>> On Mon, 25 Apr 2022 20:40:50 +1000, Arindam Banerjee
>> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On Monday, 25 April 2022 at 19:18:10 UTC+10, Rod Speed wrote:
>> >> On Mon, 25 Apr 2022 16:38:46 +1000, Arindam Banerjee
>> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > On Monday, 25 April 2022 at 16:08:23 UTC+10, petzl wrote:
>> >> >> On Sun, 24 Apr 2022 21:50:56 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>> >> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >On Saturday, 23 April 2022 at 23:02:10 UTC+10, Arindam Banerjee
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >> >> On Wednesday, 6 April 2022 at 22:12:45 UTC+10, Arindam Banerjee
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> >> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMzZ_lVHv_A
>> >> >> >> > Mersheimer sounds reasonable.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> He was and still is referring to Ukraine ambitions in 2006 to join
>> >> >> NATO never happened then, was not happening in 2022.
>> >>
>> >> > Irrelevant.
>> >> Bullshit.
>> <reams of your shit any 3 year old could leave for dead flushed where it
>> belongs>
>> >> > All Ukraine had to do was to say they would remain neutral.
>> >> They have the right to choose between the EU and russia, fuckwit.
>> > That was nothing to do with the invasion
>> Even sillier and more pig ignorant than you usually manage and that's
>> saying something.
>> > Ukraine had and has a very bad leadership.
>> > Disastrous, really. So sad.
>> Putin gets no say what so ever on that, fuckwit.
>> > Who wants such stupids as leaders!
>> The Ukrainians, fuckwit.
>> >> > But they wanted to be part of NATO,
>> >> Wrong, as always. And even if they did, that is none of Putin's
>> >> business.
>>
>> > It is perfectly true that they wanted to be part of NATO like Poland
>> etc.
>> More of your mindless bullshit.
>> > And that made it Putin's business.
>> Bullshit it did. And you can't even manage a consistent
>> line in mindless bullshit and lies. Below you stupidly
>> claim that the reason Putin invaded is because of the
>> number of russian immigrants killed in the Ukraine.
>> > Just as Cuba was for US.
>> Nothing like. The US didn't invade Cuba, fuckwit.
>> >> > just as Sweden and Finland now.
>>
>> >> Neither have decided to join NATO yet, and if they do, it
>> >> will be because of what that arsehole Putin has just done
>> >> to ensure that arsehole Putin doesn't try it with them.
>>
>> > Being a fool, you cannot understand what I write.
>> We'll see...
>>
>> > Ukraine never joined NATO,
>>
>> Never said they did, fuckwit.
>>
>> > but wanted to.
>>
>> Nope, they wanted to join the EU because it
>> works a hell of a lot better than russia does.
>>
>> > So they got invaded.
>>
>> You can't even manage a consistent line in mindless
>> bullshit and lies. Below you stupidly claim that the
>> reason Putin invaded is because of the number of
>> russian immigrants killed in the Ukraine.
>> > If Sweden and Finland try to join NATO they too may get invaded.
>> Not a chance, you watch.
>> > So they better not try that path.
>> If they get invaded, bye bye Putin, you watch.
>> >> > Had they remained neutral, they would have got benefits from both
>> >> sides.
>>
>> >> More of your mindless pig ignorant bullshit.
>>
>> > Ignorant fool, try reading up on nonalignment policy.
>> Don't need to, I have been watching India get no benefits
>> what so ever with that approach since before you were born.
>>
>> Indonesia too.
>> > Putin would
>> >> not have handed them what he did if they had done that
>> >> and the EU certainly doesnt hand out to non EU countrys.
>> <reams of your shit any 3 year old could leave for dead flushed where it
>> belongs>>
>> >> > Or they could have split amicably as in Czechoslovakia.
>> >
>> >> Different situation entirely. The Ukraine isnt ukrainians and
>> >> russians, it is ukrainians and ex russian army immigrants, fuckwit.
>>
>> > Bare faced lie.
>> Fact actually.
>> > The West is Polish-type Catholic and the East is Russian Orthodox.
>> Czechoslovakia aint about religion, fuckwit.
>> > They could have partitioned peacefully.
>> Just like India eh ?
>> >> > But they chose to persecute ethnic Russians.
>>
>> >> More of your pig ignorant bullshit.
>>
>> > Not what Putin and his Parliament think
>> Bullshit. Both know that it was the russian non badged
>> military that got killed there, for a good reason.
>> > Which is what matters.
>> > Most agree that there was civil war in the Donbass for 8 years.
>> Nope, Putin's russian non badged military invaded.
>>
>> When that didn't work, Putin invaded much more aggressively.
>> > That was another casus belli.
>> Bullshit, your trademark.
>> >> > Bad idea, when Russia is so near. And still powerful, with nukes.
>>
>> >> >> In 2013 Ukraine wanted to become part of the European Union which
>> was
>> >> >> very popular with Ukrainians, Putin stepped in then and stopped
>> it,
>> >> >> but offered Ukraine $1.5 Billion and third discount on Russian gas
>> >> >> price, this was not popular with Ukrainians. Zelensky was voted
>> in to
>> >> >> restore a move for Ukraine to join the EU, not NATO
>>
>> >> > Forgetting the 2014 coup
>>
>> >> Never happened.
>> >
>> > Heh. All know the pro-Russian leader was ousted after Western
>> > interference.
>> Bullshit, your trademark.
>>
>> > Plenty of violence then.
>>
>> But no coup, fuckwit.
>> >> > and the 14000 Russians killed in the Donbass,
>>
>> >> Only happened because those immigrants
>> >> tried to grab part of the ukraine, fuckwit.
>>
>> > They already got Crimea which had Russian majority
>> That happened later, fuckwit.
>> > Why not give up on Donbass peacefully?
>> Because there isn't a majority of russians there, fuckwit.
>> > Regions wanting to secede could vote under international supervision.
>> If that happened, it would be obvious that there arent
>> enough russians there to see it go to russia.
>>
>> And anyway, it makes absolutely no sense for lots of
>> immigrants to show up and demand that where they
>> move to must be given to the country they left, fuckwit.
>> > They will be forced to do that - give up Donbass - now.
>> No chance, you watch.
>> > No need for this mess had they more sense.
>> Just like the partition of India, eh ?
>> <reams of your shit any 3 year old could leave for dead flushed where it
>> belongs>>
>> >> > Zelensky is evidently a CIA agent,
>>
>> >> Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed narcissistic
>> fantasys.
>>
>> >> > out to ruin Ukraine for the good of US military-industrial complex,
>> >> > trying out new technology, etc.
>>
>> >> Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed narcissistic
>> fantasys.
>>
>> > Nah, dumbfuck. He is nothing Ukrainian, just a US plant as per youtube
>> > info.
>> Just because some one eyed fool claims something...
>> > He has ruined Ukraine, no question of that.
>> Nope, that arsehole Putin has.
>> <reams of your shit any 3 year old could leave for dead flushed where it
>> belongs>
>> > Ukraine was ok with Russia for decades before the 2014 coup that
>> > led to the creation of this puppet.
>> More of your mindless pig ignorant bullshit.
>> They chose to leave the USSR, just like Poland
>> and countless other countrys did, fuckwit.
>> > Putin wants to avoid such a coup in Moscow.
>> Even sillier than you usually manage and that's saying something.
>> >> Putin was the one who invaded, fuckwit.
>>
>> > He had to. USA is to blame for that. According to Prof. Mearsheimer.
>> > US was up to no good.
>> That fool never had a fucking clue.
>> > Trying to stick nukes up Russia's belly, staging a coup in Kiev, also
>> > tried that in Kazakhstan! Failed there.
>> > Well, Putin expounds the Monroe Doctrine in his region.
>> > Why does US complain? Putin flatters them by imitation.
>> Even sillier than you usually manage and that's saying something.
>> >> > Yes elections can be won by a foreign agent when there is a lot of
>> >> money
>> >> > and the people are stupid.
>>
>> >> Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed narcissistic
>> fantasys.
>>
>> > Learn tspell, creep.
>> Hilarious, as always.
>>
>> Clearly that is the best you can manage.


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> Looking at all the above posts, there are clearly those who prefer to propagate the views of the western mainstream media, and those do don't, and want to educate themselves.
>
> Benjamin Norton gives an excellent presentation of the media war, and he talks about Ukraine about half way through the video.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAmnmb1i2-s

Thanks for the link.
Yes, that point of view is shared by most Indians and all those who suffered from colonialism.
Well, Russia is the champion of the Global South.

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 by: Arindam Banerjee - Mon, 25 Apr 2022 23:13 UTC

On Tuesday, 26 April 2022 at 02:51:59 UTC+10, Rod Speed wrote:
> On Mon, 25 Apr 2022 20:40:50 +1000, Arindam Banerjee
> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Monday, 25 April 2022 at 19:18:10 UTC+10, Rod Speed wrote:
> >> On Mon, 25 Apr 2022 16:38:46 +1000, Arindam Banerjee
> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > On Monday, 25 April 2022 at 16:08:23 UTC+10, petzl wrote:
> >> >> On Sun, 24 Apr 2022 21:50:56 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
> >> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >On Saturday, 23 April 2022 at 23:02:10 UTC+10, Arindam Banerjee
> >> wrote:
> >> >> >> On Wednesday, 6 April 2022 at 22:12:45 UTC+10, Arindam Banerjee
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMzZ_lVHv_A
> >> >> >> > Mersheimer sounds reasonable.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> He was and still is referring to Ukraine ambitions in 2006 to join
> >> >> NATO never happened then, was not happening in 2022.
> >>
> >> > Irrelevant.
> >> Bullshit.
> <reams of your shit any 3 year old could leave for dead flushed where it
> belongs>
> >> > All Ukraine had to do was to say they would remain neutral.
> >> They have the right to choose between the EU and russia, fuckwit.
> > That was nothing to do with the invasion
> Even sillier and more pig ignorant than you usually manage and that's
> saying something.
Nothing stupider than Rod, except Zelensky (if Z is not a US puppet).
> > Ukraine had and has a very bad leadership.
> > Disastrous, really. So sad.
> Putin gets no say what so ever on that, fuckwit.

He does, dumbfuck.
Russia's security is his concern.
So when this fool/puppet wants to nuke Russia while persecuting Russians in his land, he acts after saying his say.
Foreign policy works like that.
War is an extension of foreign policy.
As amply shown by US etc.

> > Who wants such stupids as leaders!
> The Ukrainians, fuckwit.
Then they are far more stupid than Rod the dumbfuck - but that is impossible.
Who WANTS to be invaded and destroyed!
Actually they are unfortunate.
Their leadership got hijacked by the grabby colonial-minded West in 2014.
Till 2014 they were OK.
> >> > But they wanted to be part of NATO,
> >> Wrong, as always. And even if they did, that is none of Putin's
> >> business.
>
> > It is perfectly true that they wanted to be part of NATO like Poland etc.
> More of your mindless bullshit.
No, you are lying. NATO has been expanding East and they would have joined if they could.
The Ukrainians are caught in a power struggle.
No escape now.
> > And that made it Putin's business.
> Bullshit it did. And you can't even manage a consistent
> line in mindless bullshit and lies. Below you stupidly
> claim that the reason Putin invaded is because of the
> number of russian immigrants killed in the Ukraine.
There can be more than one reason for any invasion, dumbfuck.
Even a dumbfuck like you should understand this.
> > Just as Cuba was for US.
> Nothing like. The US didn't invade Cuba

They failed, dumbfuck. Bay of Pigs!
Talks happened after that, and USSR relented. No nukes in Cuba. Good for JFK.
Safety all around, no WW3.
Cuba is still sanctioned, so meanly, by the US.

> Sweden and Finland now.

They better not even THINK of joining NATO.
Make polite peaceful noises instead.
>
> >> Neither have decided to join NATO yet, and if they do, it
> >> will be because of what that arsehole Putin has just done
> >> to ensure that arsehole Putin doesn't try it with them.
>
> > Being a fool, you cannot understand what I write.
> We'll see...

I have seen enough.

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On Mon, 25 Apr 2022 15:48:10 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
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>- snip -
>> Looking at all the above posts, there are clearly those who prefer to propagate the views of the western mainstream media, and those do don't, and want to educate themselves.
>>
>> Benjamin Norton gives an excellent presentation of the media war, and he talks about Ukraine about half way through the video.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAmnmb1i2-s
>
>Thanks for the link.
>Yes, that point of view is shared by most Indians and all those who
> suffered from colonialism.
>Well, Russia is the champion of the Global South.
>
Showed you before in 2013 Obama/Biden were involved in the removal of
Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych who turned down the 800 Million
European grant when they accept membership of the EU (not NATO).
Russia then made a counter offer for $1.5 billion plus a third
reduction in gas price if they let the status quo stay.
Most Voters wanted to join EU allowing benefits for Ukraine citizens.
After US CIA intervention Yanukovych fled the country due to dwindling
support from his allies. This prompted the Verkhovna Rada, a
legislative body within the Ukrainian parliament, to claim itself to
be “the only legitimate authority in the country”
--
Petzl
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** blocking GOP observers from the counting rooms
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These factors resulted in millions of fraudulent votes in the 2020 election.

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> > Looking at all the above posts, there are clearly those whoprefer to
> > propagate the views of the western mainstream media,
> No one is doing that.
Rod is.
> > and those do don't, and want to educate themselves.
> Or that either.
I am.
> > Benjamin Norton gives an excellent presentation of the media war, and he
> > talks about Ukraine about half way through the video....
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAmnmb1i2-s
> And doesn't have a fucking clue. It is stupid to keep repeating
> the stupid lie that the USA produced the invasion of the Ukraine
> by organising a coup in 2014.

That coup was to exploit Ukraine.
It did lead to corruption and much stupidity like banning of Russian language.
Resulting in civil war and US involvement with NATO expansionism.

The eastern and western parts
> of the Ukraine had been at odds on whether to join the EU for
> a long time before that.

Partition was the obvious solution. As peacefully done in Czechoslovakia.
Which will now happen, after a pointless bloody war.
Plenty of lessons here, explained by Prof Mearsheimer.

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 by: Petzl - Mon, 25 Apr 2022 23:26 UTC

On Tue, 26 Apr 2022 09:21:01 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Mon, 25 Apr 2022 15:48:10 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
><banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>- snip -
>>> Looking at all the above posts, there are clearly those who prefer to propagate the views of the western mainstream media, and those do don't, and want to educate themselves.
>>>
>>> Benjamin Norton gives an excellent presentation of the media war, and he talks about Ukraine about half way through the video.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAmnmb1i2-s
>>
>>Thanks for the link.
>>Yes, that point of view is shared by most Indians and all those who
>> suffered from colonialism.
>>Well, Russia is the champion of the Global South.
>>
>Showed you before in 2013 Obama/Biden were involved in the removal of
>Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych who turned down the 800 Million
>European grant when they accept membership of the EU (not NATO).
>Russia then made a counter offer for $1.5 billion plus a third
>reduction in gas price if they let the status quo stay.
>Most Voters wanted to join EU allowing benefits for Ukraine citizens.
>After US CIA intervention Yanukovych fled the country due to dwindling
>support from his allies. This prompted the Verkhovna Rada, a
>legislative body within the Ukrainian parliament, to claim itself to
>be “the only legitimate authority in the country”
>
A link
<https://moderndiplomacy.eu/2018/06/04/how-and-why-the-u-s-government-perpetrated-the-2014-coup-in-ukraine/>
https://tinyurl.com/ydb7evzo
--
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On Tuesday, 26 April 2022 at 09:21:29 UTC+10, petzl wrote:
> On Mon, 25 Apr 2022 15:48:10 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >- snip -
> >> Looking at all the above posts, there are clearly those who prefer to propagate the views of the western mainstream media, and those do don't, and want to educate themselves.
> >>
> >> Benjamin Norton gives an excellent presentation of the media war, and he talks about Ukraine about half way through the video.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAmnmb1i2-s
> >
> >Thanks for the link.
> >Yes, that point of view is shared by most Indians and all those who
> > suffered from colonialism.
> >Well, Russia is the champion of the Global South.
> >
> Showed you before in 2013 Obama/Biden were involved in the removal of
> Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych who turned down the 800 Million
> European grant when they accept membership of the EU (not NATO).
> Russia then made a counter offer for $1.5 billion plus a third
> reduction in gas price if they let the status quo stay.

Great offer. They could really develop their country. Now look at them.

> Most Voters wanted to join EU allowing benefits for Ukraine citizens.

Very stupid.
As UK shows, it makes sense to get OUT of EU.

> After US CIA intervention Yanukovych fled the country due to dwindling
> support from his allies. This prompted the Verkhovna Rada, a
> legislative body within the Ukrainian parliament, to claim itself to
> be “the only legitimate authority in the country”
> --
> Petzl
> The land of the "FREE"
> ** ballot harvesting
> ** late-night ballot drops
> ** massive ballot trafficking
> ** blocking GOP observers from the counting rooms
> ** only hiring Democrats to count votes
> ** ignoring chain of custody laws
> ** weak Republican lawmakers
> ** corrupted ballot-counting machines
> ** Destroying the evidence
> ** bloated voter rolls
>
> These factors resulted in millions of fraudulent votes in the 2020 election.

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 by: Petzl - Tue, 26 Apr 2022 00:01 UTC

On Mon, 25 Apr 2022 16:33:30 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
<banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Tuesday, 26 April 2022 at 09:21:29 UTC+10, petzl wrote:
>> On Mon, 25 Apr 2022 15:48:10 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >- snip -
>> >> Looking at all the above posts, there are clearly those who prefer to propagate the views of the western mainstream media, and those do don't, and want to educate themselves.
>> >>
>> >> Benjamin Norton gives an excellent presentation of the media war, and he talks about Ukraine about half way through the video.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAmnmb1i2-s
>> >
>> >Thanks for the link.
>> >Yes, that point of view is shared by most Indians and all those who
>> > suffered from colonialism.
>> >Well, Russia is the champion of the Global South.
>> >
>> Showed you before in 2013 Obama/Biden were involved in the removal of
>> Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych who turned down the 800 Million
>> European grant when they accept membership of the EU (not NATO).
>> Russia then made a counter offer for $1.5 billion plus a third
>> reduction in gas price if they let the status quo stay.
>
>Great offer. They could really develop their country. Now look at them.
>
The offer was accepted. Ukraine was not a member of the EU when
Putin's Russia did not invade!
Putin is complacent with his war criminal tactics!
Now, Putin has shifted to Ukraine and is using the very same playbook
used to catastrophic effect in Syria and Chechnya.
The Kremlin, meanwhile, denies war crimes and says Russian military
forces are not targeting civilians. Just Russian lies, they always
have done this is nothing new.
Putin always targeting heavily, residential civilian areas with
hospitals and schools, forcing civilians to flee from danger.
He has created columns of refugees and destroyed the fabric of
society.

>> Most Voters wanted to join EU allowing benefits for Ukraine citizens.
>
>Very stupid.
>As UK shows, it makes sense to get OUT of EU.
>
Was for UK.
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 by: Rod Speed - Tue, 26 Apr 2022 01:43 UTC

Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote

>> Looking at all the above posts, there are clearly those who prefer to
>> propagate the views of the western mainstream media, and those do
>> don't, and want to educate themselves.

>> Benjamin Norton gives an excellent presentation of the media war, and
>> he talks about Ukraine about half way through the video....
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAmnmb1i2-s

> Thanks for the link.

> Yes, that point of view is shared by most Indians

Bullshit.

> and all those who suffered from colonialism.

More of your bullshit and lies.

And in fact almost all of them didn't "suffer" colonialism,
they benefitted from that very dramatically, including you.

> Well, Russia is the champion of the Global South.

Bullshit it is.

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 by: Rod Speed - Tue, 26 Apr 2022 01:54 UTC

On Tue, 26 Apr 2022 09:13:28 +1000, Arindam Banerjee
<banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tuesday, 26 April 2022 at 02:51:59 UTC+10, Rod Speed wrote:
>> On Mon, 25 Apr 2022 20:40:50 +1000, Arindam Banerjee
>> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On Monday, 25 April 2022 at 19:18:10 UTC+10, Rod Speed wrote:
>> >> On Mon, 25 Apr 2022 16:38:46 +1000, Arindam Banerjee
>> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > On Monday, 25 April 2022 at 16:08:23 UTC+10, petzl wrote:
>> >> >> On Sun, 24 Apr 2022 21:50:56 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>> >> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >On Saturday, 23 April 2022 at 23:02:10 UTC+10, Arindam Banerjee
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >> >> On Wednesday, 6 April 2022 at 22:12:45 UTC+10, Arindam Banerjee
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> >> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMzZ_lVHv_A
>> >> >> >> > Mersheimer sounds reasonable.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> He was and still is referring to Ukraine ambitions in 2006 to join
>> >> >> NATO never happened then, was not happening in 2022.
>> >>
>> >> > Irrelevant.
>> >> Bullshit.
>> <reams of your shit any 3 year old could leave for dead flushed where it
>> belongs>
>> >> > All Ukraine had to do was to say they would remain neutral.
>> >> They have the right to choose between the EU and russia, fuckwit.
>> > That was nothing to do with the invasion
>> Even sillier and more pig ignorant than you usually manage and that's
>> saying something.

> Nothing stupider than Rod, except Zelensky (if Z is not a US puppet).

>> > Ukraine had and has a very bad leadership.
>> > Disastrous, really. So sad.

>> Putin gets no say what so ever on that, fuckwit.

> He does

Bullshit.

> Russia's security is his concern.

No one is about to invade russia, fuckwit.

> So when this fool/puppet wants to nuke Russia

Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed drunken narcissistic
fantasys.

> while persecuting Russians in his land,

Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed drunken narcissistic
fantasys.

> he acts after saying his say.

Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed drunken narcissistic
fantasys.

> Foreign policy works like that.

Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed drunken narcissistic
fantasys.

> War is an extension of foreign policy.
> As amply shown by US etc.

And India.

>> > Who wants such stupids as leaders!

>> The Ukrainians, fuckwit.

<reams of your shit any 3 year old could leave for dead flushed where it
belongs>

> Who WANTS to be invaded and destroyed!

Ukraine isn't going to be destroyed, you watch.

> Actually they are unfortunate.
> Their leadership got hijacked by the grabby colonial-minded West in 2014.

Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed drunken narcissistic
fantasys.

> Till 2014 they were OK.

Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed drunken narcissistic
fantasys.

>> >> > But they wanted to be part of NATO,
>> >> Wrong, as always. And even if they did, that is none of Putin's
>> >> business.
>>
>> > It is perfectly true that they wanted to be part of NATO like Poland
>> etc.
>> More of your mindless bullshit.

> No, you are lying. NATO has been expanding East

Nope, some have chosen to join NATO given what that arsehole Putin
has made if very clear what he is capable of.

> and they would have joined if they could.
> The Ukrainians are caught in a power struggle.
> No escape now.

BULLSHIT.

>> > And that made it Putin's business.
>> Bullshit it did. And you can't even manage a consistent
>> line in mindless bullshit and lies. Below you stupidly
>> claim that the reason Putin invaded is because of the
>> number of russian immigrants killed in the Ukraine.

> There can be more than one reason for any invasion

Yeah, in this case Putin's ego tripping.

<reams of your shit any 3 year old could leave for dead flushed where it
belongs>

>> > Just as Cuba was for US.

>> Nothing like. The US didn't invade Cuba

> They failed, dumbfuck. Bay of Pigs!

That wasn't the US invading, that was the US assisting
Cubans, fuckwit.

> Talks happened after that, and USSR relented. No nukes in Cuba. Good for
> JFK.
> Safety all around, no WW3.
> Cuba is still sanctioned, so meanly, by the US.

Russia in spades, nothing mean about that.

>> Sweden and Finland now.

> They better not even THINK of joining NATO.
> Make polite peaceful noises instead.

You'll see, Putin getting the last thing he wants to see.

The stupid fuck.

>> >> Neither have decided to join NATO yet, and if they do, it
>> >> will be because of what that arsehole Putin has just done
>> >> to ensure that arsehole Putin doesn't try it with them.

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 by: Rod Speed - Tue, 26 Apr 2022 02:02 UTC

Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote

>> > Looking at all the above posts, there are clearly those whoprefer to
>> > propagate the views of the western mainstream media,

>> No one is doing that.

> Rod is.

Wrong, as always.

>> > and those do don't, and want to educate themselves.

>> Or that either.

> I am.

You aren't edicating yourself, just respewing Putin's lies.

>> > Benjamin Norton gives an excellent presentation of the media war, and
>> he
>> > talks about Ukraine about half way through the video....
>> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAmnmb1i2-s

>> And doesn't have a fucking clue. It is stupid to keep repeating
>> the stupid lie that the USA produced the invasion of the Ukraine
>> by organising a coup in 2014.

> That coup was to exploit Ukraine.

There was no coup.

> It did lead to corruption and much stupidity like banning of Russian
> language.

More of your bare faced lies.

> Resulting in civil war and US involvement with NATO expansionism.

NATO was never involved in the Ukraine.

>> The eastern and western parts
>> of the Ukraine had been at odds on whether to join the EU for
>> a long time before that.

> Partition was the obvious solution.

That worked SO well in India, eh.

> As peacefully done in Czechoslovakia.

That was never partitioned, the two groups agreed to an amicable
separation.

So did Malaysia and Singapore.

> Which will now happen,

Bullshit. What might well happen is that Putin will grab
a couple of eastern provinces of the Ukraine and continue
to see the most brutal sanctions that have ever been seen.

> after a pointless bloody war.
> Plenty of lessons here, explained by Prof Mearsheimer.

Lied about by that fool, actually.

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 by: Rod Speed - Tue, 26 Apr 2022 02:05 UTC

On Tue, 26 Apr 2022 09:33:30 +1000, Arindam Banerjee
<banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tuesday, 26 April 2022 at 09:21:29 UTC+10, petzl wrote:
>> On Mon, 25 Apr 2022 15:48:10 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >- snip -
>> >> Looking at all the above posts, there are clearly those who prefer
>> to propagate the views of the western mainstream media, and those do
>> don't, and want to educate themselves.
>> >>
>> >> Benjamin Norton gives an excellent presentation of the media war,
>> and he talks about Ukraine about half way through the video....
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAmnmb1i2-s
>> >
>> >Thanks for the link.
>> >Yes, that point of view is shared by most Indians and all those who
>> > suffered from colonialism.
>> >Well, Russia is the champion of the Global South.
>> >
>> Showed you before in 2013 Obama/Biden were involved in the removal of
>> Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych who turned down the 800 Million
>> European grant when they accept membership of the EU (not NATO).
>> Russia then made a counter offer for $1.5 billion plus a third
>> reduction in gas price if they let the status quo stay.
>
> Great offer. They could really develop their country.

Nothing like what joining the EU would deliver.

> Now look at them.

Due to that arsehole Putin.

>> Most Voters wanted to join EU allowing benefits for Ukraine citizens.

> Very stupid.

Their choice, not yours.

> As UK shows, it makes sense to get OUT of EU.

That is more of your mindless pig ignorant
bullshit with the dregs of eastern europe.

NONE of them are leaving.

>> After US CIA intervention Yanukovych fled the country due to dwindling
>> support from his allies. This prompted the Verkhovna Rada, a
>> legislative body within the Ukrainian parliament, to claim itself to
>> be “the only legitimate authority in the country”

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 by: Ördög - the Newsgr - Tue, 26 Apr 2022 03:07 UTC

McCoy made the following presentation:

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> Looking at all the above posts, there are clearly those who prefer to
> propagate the views of the western mainstream media, and those do don't,
> and want to educate themselves.
>
> Benjamin Norton gives an excellent presentation of the media war, and he
> talks about Ukraine about half way through the video....
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAmnmb1i2-s

It seems that the hard-right wanker mob, but sadly many centrists and even
certain sections of the Left tend to completely ignore the past when
discussing the horrible Ukraine war.

*Missing Historical Context of Ukraine Invasion - Chris Hedges and Richard
Wolff*
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFgCJejVtFE>

Somehow here in the West many are incapable of admitting that for a future
peace in that region of the World not only the Russian aggression is that
must be dealt with but also the geopolitical mess that contemporary
Ukraine has become right from the declaration of its independence after
the collapse of the USSR. Ukraine is a multiethnic corrupt basketcase with
regional ethnic hatred and economic underdevelopment fragmenting the
population.
And let us not kid ourselves, the US had also dirtied its hands (as per
usual, covertly and overtly, given its world-dominating ambitions) to
create that permanent mess that serves to weaken Russia. NATO should never
have been allowed to expand beyond countries that had access direct to the
Atlantic Ocean. In fact, for Europe it would have been lot more advantages
to create a new European defence alliance led by the UK, France and
Germany as the dominant European powers...but of course Russia could also
have been bound into that alliance with tactful diplomacy and economic
carrots abd sticks. But instead, now we still run the idiotic Cold War
propaganda circus, although Russia and Putin are as wildly corrupt
capitalists as most of the from the far-right to the mainstream centrist
politicians in the USA.

--
Ördög - - the one and only newsgroup Devil.

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 by: * Ördög * - - the - Tue, 26 Apr 2022 03:18 UTC

Petz's latest Goon-bag-fumes delusions:

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> Ukraine
> NATO
> Russia
> always been run by genocidal tyrant idiots,
> Putin the worst

BULLSHIT!

Stalin clearly topped the list of politically motivated show trials,
exiles, executions and murders.

> Always throwing temper tantrums and having people murdered.

So much like you if only you has any political power...lucky fopr the
human race that you don't. After all you are the one here constantly
hoping for the extermination of your political opponents from the Left and
Centre, including all their relatives.

So fuck your alt-right extremism, Petz dear!

~~~
~~~
Trashing Petz's idiotic hate propaganda sig is as follows:

> Stalin has decreed that murder is a capitalist disease

He is still dead and will remain so for the foreseeable future.
Who cares what that megalomaniac and paranoid personal cult dictator of
the USSR declared as part of his mind numbing propaganda.

> "Our" government and media decree that this "secular multiculturalism
> paradise"

That's right so far.
OZ is secular --- check
OZ is multicultural --- check

> does not have immigrant crime

That is bull. Hate to disappoint your delusions Petz dear, but!
Its worth noting that crime stats show crimes committed by immigrants are
far less that crime by true blue Australians.

Next!

> and remove anyone stating different!.

Careful your bogan conspiracy kookery is showing, Petz dear!
Yea, yeah ,yea, we already heard it before...George Soros, Bill Gates, the
UN, the EU, the Secret World Government and all those shapes shifting
communist space aliens are all out to get your drunken bogan arse ilk.
~~

--
Ördög - 👹️ -
The real one (Your scary shadow that says "Booo" in the dark)

Don't argue with the alt-right terrorism apologist/supporters, the
neocons and neo-liberals, the hard-right, the misogynist and white
supremacist racist creeps, all of those Trump's deplorables, idiots like
Petz and his fellow septic and OZ crazies.
They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!
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