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Re: USA to blame

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 by: * Ördög * - - the - Wed, 27 Apr 2022 03:54 UTC

Petz's latest Goon-bag-fumes delusions:

> Ördög
*****************
>> Petz
>>> Ideally Russia needs a armed invasion from all fronts by armies from
>>> all westren nations.

Luckily for the whole planet your highly anticipated dream-bloodbath is
not going to happen due to still too many relatively rational human beings
present within the decision making levels of governments. Specially
European nations aren't too keen on getting nuked as a result of
bloodthirsty warmongering cretins running amok, like you, facilitating an
Armageddon.

>> Not good having the coward of Kabul running the USA!

Yep spot on. The failed ex-president Trump planned withdrawal from
Afghanistan was eventually carried out fully by the next president after
Trump was too incompetent to carry through his own brain fart plan. Just
like that border wall to Mexico that was supposedly fully built and
financed by the Mexicans---NOT. LOL
****************

> Snip commie crap

Can anyone spot anything *commie crap* in my reply to Petz's bullshit post
above.

YAY!
Petz is now replying to voiced in his cavernous head!

> One needs a lesson on how to deal with Putin's commie
> salami tactics (taking nations slice by slice)

There is absolutely nothing about Putin nor his political or military
tactic that would suggest communism.

Yet again Petz is listening to and answering those crazy voices in his
cavernous head.

> Overwhelming forces need to invade Russia on all sides simulteniously let
> none escape, or be nuclear bombed!

Doesn't Petz addicted to the idea of a huge bloodbath engulfing and
extermninating 146 million Russian people.
Hey, not even Hitler plus Stalin plus Mao, plus Pol-Pot combined could
achieve that much genocidal carnage in a single go.

*Long live World Dictator Despot Petz, the first of his name!* Amen!

~~~
~~~
RE: Petz hate tirade bloodthirsty phantasms signature and his utter
inability to comprehend real-politics and econopolitical ideologies:

> corrupt Stasi/KGB/SVR/FSB Putin!

* Corrupt *
--- yes...just like many other politicians World wide, for
instance Trump and ScoMo. NEXT!

* Stasi *
--- Does not exist any more nor was Putin ever Stasi

* KGB *
--- True..Putin was a KGB officer...but KGB is no more.
What is is no more aand what matter is that he runs the Russian
governement now! NEXT!

* FSB *
--- Bullshit...Putin went into politics instead of becoming an FSB
operative. NEXT!

> Putin's Russia traditionally threatens the west with a nuclear attack
> even when they did not have any.

Who does not have nukes? Russia, the UK, France, the USA?
These are all countries with nuclear capabilities.

Of course, even the mere idea of threatening anyone with such weaponry is
absolutely repugnant to rational people. No sane person would want to live
through (or more likely die) a nuclear holocaust, unlike you and your
idiot far-right cretin ilk.

> Putin is complacent with his war criminal tactics!

His tactics are mind me similar tactics employed by the US in Vietnam, in
Iraq and in Afghanistan. Or do you suggest napalm bombs or drones and
guided missiles only ever killed armed combatants?

Of course, no such war crimes are ever excusable.

> Ukraine /snip/

I'd suggest that you actually could not give a shit about the suffering of
Ukrainians nor about actually resolving the problems that created this
total geopolitical mess Uraine is.

All you care about is to take vengeance on the Russian folk for the crime
of the failed attempt at ending capitalism in their country during the
Twentieth Century. That's it.
The rest is just a window-dressing excuse-show trying to convince readers
of this newsgroup that you ain't actually a bloodthirsty barbaric alt-
right creep on a propaganda mission.
~~

--
Ördög - -
The real one (Your scary shadow that says "Booo" in the dark)

Don't argue with the alt-right terrorism apologist/supporters, the
neocons and neo-liberals, the hard-right, the misogynist and white
supremacist racist creeps, all of those Trump's deplorables, idiots like
Petz and his fellow septic and OZ crazies.
They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!
<http://www.loonwatch.com/category/anti-loons/>

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 by: Mattb - Wed, 27 Apr 2022 04:00 UTC

On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 12:52:42 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 10:14:16 +1000, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 10:05:21 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 09:50:05 +1000, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 26 Apr 2022 20:10:43 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 26 Apr 2022 17:36:40 +1000, Arindam Banerjee
>>>>> <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tuesday, 26 April 2022 at 10:02:02 UTC+10, petzl wrote:
>>>>>>> On Mon, 25 Apr 2022 16:33:30 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>>>>>>> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >On Tuesday, 26 April 2022 at 09:21:29 UTC+10, petzl wrote:
>>>>>>> >> On Mon, 25 Apr 2022 15:48:10 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>>>>>>> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> >- snip -
>>>>>>> >> >> Looking at all the above posts, there are clearly those who
>>>>>>> prefer to propagate the views of the western mainstream media, and
>>>>>>> those do don't, and want to educate themselves.
>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>> >> >> Benjamin Norton gives an excellent presentation of the media
>>>>>>> war,
>>>>>>> and he talks about Ukraine about half way through the video....
>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAmnmb1i2-s
>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>> >> >Thanks for the link.
>>>>>>> >> >Yes, that point of view is shared by most Indians and all those
>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>> >> > suffered from colonialism.
>>>>>>> >> >Well, Russia is the champion of the Global South.
>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>> >> Showed you before in 2013 Obama/Biden were involved in the
>>>>>>> removal
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> >> Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych who turned down the 800
>>>>>>> Million
>>>>>>> >> European grant when they accept membership of the EU (not NATO).
>>>>>>> >> Russia then made a counter offer for $1.5 billion plus a third
>>>>>>> >> reduction in gas price if they let the status quo stay.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >Great offer. They could really develop their country. Now look at
>>>>>>> them.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> The offer was accepted. Ukraine was not a member of the EU when
>>>>>>> Putin's Russia did not invade!
>>>>>>> Putin is complacent with his war criminal tactics!
>>>>>>> Now, Putin has shifted to Ukraine and is using the very same
>>>>>>> playbook
>>>>>>> used to catastrophic effect in Syria and Chechnya.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Got rid of the ISIS in Syria,
>>>>>
>>>>> Not single handedly he didnt.
>>>>>
>>>>>> and the equivalent in Chechnya.
>>>>>
>>>>> ISIS was never in Chechnya.
>>>>>
>>>>>> You have problems with that?
>>>>>
>>>>> Just with your bare faced lies.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Kremlin, meanwhile, denies war crimes and says Russian military
>>>>>>> forces are not targeting civilians. Just Russian lies, they always
>>>>>>> have done this is nothing new.
>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't agree.
>>>>>
>>>>> Your problem, as always.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Putin always targeting heavily, residential civilian areas with
>>>>>>> hospitals and schools, forcing civilians to flee from danger.
>>>>>
>>>>>> They better get out.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why should they have to ?
>>>>>
>>>>>>> He has created columns of refugees and destroyed the fabric of
>>>>>>> society.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Bad happens when puppets or fools rule.
>>>>>
>>>>> And when arseholes like Putin invade.
>>>>
>>>> Sadly looks like Putin again threatens Nuclear war.
>>>
>>> Nar, that shit is pure bluff. Even Putin isn't actually THAT stupid.
>
>> That is if he is sane.
>
>Corse he is sane, just a psychopath.
>
>>>> Moscow will
>>>> glow in the dark.
>>>
>>> Nope, doesnt happen when a city gets nuked.
>>
>> I know that.
>
>So why that stupidity ?

To see if I could activate the snowflake mode in you.

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 by: Mattb - Wed, 27 Apr 2022 04:03 UTC

On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 10:37:32 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Tue, 26 Apr 2022 16:50:05 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>>>> Putin always targeting heavily, residential civilian areas with
>>>>> hospitals and schools, forcing civilians to flee from danger.
>>>
>>>> They better get out.
>>>
>>>Why should they have to ?
>>>
>>>>> He has created columns of refugees and destroyed the fabric of
>>>>> society.
>>>
>>>> Bad happens when puppets or fools rule.
>>>
>>>And when arseholes like Putin invade.
>>
>> Sadly looks like Putin again threatens Nuclear war.
>>Moscow will glow in the dark.
>>
>Ideally Russia needs a armed invasion from all fronts by armies from
>all westren nations. Not good having the coward of Kabul running the
>USA!

That would spark the nukes. Biden's mistake was not imposing
sanctions before the invasion and not arming Ukraine before the
invasion.

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 by: Mattb - Wed, 27 Apr 2022 04:05 UTC

On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 01:58:49 GMT, * Ördög * - - the Petz Buster -
<devil@your.scary.shadow.edu> wrote:

>Petz's latest Goon-bag-fumes delusions:
>
>/ This post was AI autocleaned to remove some virulent retarded troll
>poster inputs /
>/ snip more wanker crap manually /
>
>> Ideally Russia needs a armed invasion from all fronts by armies from all
>> westren nations.
>
>Luckily for the whole planet your highly anticipated dream-bloodbath is
>not going to happen due to still too many relatively rational human beings
>present within the decision making levels of governments. Specially
>European nations aren't too keen on getting nuked as a result of
>bloodthirsty warmongering cretins running amok, like you, facilitating an
>Armageddon.
>
>> Not good having the coward of Kabul running the USA!
>
>Yep spot on. The failed ex-president Trump planned withdrawal from
>Afghanistan was eventually carried out fully by the next president after
>Trump was too incompetent to carry through his own brainfart plan. Just
>like that border wall to Mexico that was supposedly fully built and
>financed by the Mexicans---NOT. LOL :P :P :P
>
>**********
>
>It's quite amusing how your alt-right loon private circle jerk club
>featuring that metally defect Aridumb Berenjerk, the LNP brown-noser "I
>know it all" Rod Speed and the unashamedly trolling septic-Yank Proud/
>Bouncer boi MattB keep on going spewing ever more bizarre and ridiculous
>bullshit. Well done...NOT! Luckily I seldom glimpse some slivers of what's
>really goes down during your circle jerks ... already hard to stomach by
>any rational human being.

It isn't the withdrawal from Afghanistan that is the main problem
but how it was done. Most people remove the citizens before the
military.
>
>~~~
>~~~
>Re: Cretin Petz sig
>
><snipped fully for the sake of maintaining some resemblence to rational
>thinking in Usenet free of charge>
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On Tue, 26 Apr 2022 19:33:59 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
<banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Wednesday, 27 April 2022 at 09:50:11 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
>> On Tue, 26 Apr 2022 20:10:43 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>> <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Tue, 26 Apr 2022 17:36:40 +1000, Arindam Banerjee
>> ><banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Tuesday, 26 April 2022 at 10:02:02 UTC+10, petzl wrote:
>> >>> On Mon, 25 Apr 2022 16:33:30 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>> >>> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> >On Tuesday, 26 April 2022 at 09:21:29 UTC+10, petzl wrote:
>> >>> >> On Mon, 25 Apr 2022 15:48:10 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>> >>> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> >- snip -
>> >>> >> >> Looking at all the above posts, there are clearly those who
>> >>> prefer to propagate the views of the western mainstream media, and
>> >>> those do don't, and want to educate themselves.
>> >>> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> Benjamin Norton gives an excellent presentation of the media war,
>> >>> and he talks about Ukraine about half way through the video....
>> >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAmnmb1i2-s
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> >Thanks for the link.
>> >>> >> >Yes, that point of view is shared by most Indians and all those who
>> >>> >> > suffered from colonialism.
>> >>> >> >Well, Russia is the champion of the Global South.
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> Showed you before in 2013 Obama/Biden were involved in the removal of
>> >>> >> Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych who turned down the 800 Million
>> >>> >> European grant when they accept membership of the EU (not NATO).
>> >>> >> Russia then made a counter offer for $1.5 billion plus a third
>> >>> >> reduction in gas price if they let the status quo stay.
>> >>> >
>> >>> >Great offer. They could really develop their country. Now look at them.
>> >>> >
>> >>> The offer was accepted. Ukraine was not a member of the EU when
>> >>> Putin's Russia did not invade!
>> >>> Putin is complacent with his war criminal tactics!
>> >>> Now, Putin has shifted to Ukraine and is using the very same playbook
>> >>> used to catastrophic effect in Syria and Chechnya.
>> >
>> >> Got rid of the ISIS in Syria,
>> >
>> >Not single handedly he didnt.
>> >
>> >> and the equivalent in Chechnya.
>> >
>> >ISIS was never in Chechnya.
>> >
>> >> You have problems with that?
>> >
>> >Just with your bare faced lies.
>> >
>> >
>> >>> The Kremlin, meanwhile, denies war crimes and says Russian military
>> >>> forces are not targeting civilians. Just Russian lies, they always
>> >>> have done this is nothing new.
>> >
>> >> I don't agree.
>> >
>> >Your problem, as always.
>> >
>> >>> Putin always targeting heavily, residential civilian areas with
>> >>> hospitals and schools, forcing civilians to flee from danger.
>> >
>> >> They better get out.
>> >
>> >Why should they have to ?
>> >
>> >>> He has created columns of refugees and destroyed the fabric of
>> >>> society.
>> >
>> >> Bad happens when puppets or fools rule.
>> >
>> >And when arseholes like Putin invade.
>> Sadly looks like Putin again threatens Nuclear war. Moscow will
>> glow in the dark.
>
>You think US will not be affected?

The whole world would be affected.

>Putin will act like Gandhi-style?

Putin is a idiot.

>Take one slap after the other, and hope for a character change of the assailant?

What a thing to suggest about Putin.

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On Wednesday, 27 April 2022 at 14:03:46 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 10:37:32 +1000, Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Tue, 26 Apr 2022 16:50:05 -0700, Mattb <trdel...@gmail.com>
> >wrote:
> >
> >>>>> Putin always targeting heavily, residential civilian areas with
> >>>>> hospitals and schools, forcing civilians to flee from danger.
> >>>
> >>>> They better get out.
> >>>
> >>>Why should they have to ?
> >>>
> >>>>> He has created columns of refugees and destroyed the fabric of
> >>>>> society.
> >>>
> >>>> Bad happens when puppets or fools rule.
> >>>
> >>>And when arseholes like Putin invade.
> >>
> >> Sadly looks like Putin again threatens Nuclear war.
> >>Moscow will glow in the dark.
> >>
> >Ideally Russia needs a armed invasion from all fronts by armies from
> >all westren nations. Not good having the coward of Kabul running the
> >USA!
> That would spark the nukes. Biden's mistake was not imposing
> sanctions before the invasion and not arming Ukraine before the
> invasion.

Sanctions did not work and some birds tell me that the arms given by the
stupid USAns were sold by the Ukrainians for whatever they could get.

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> >
> >You think US will not be affected?
> The whole world would be affected.
Not as much as the US.
Their proud GDP will vanish.
For thirdworlders, not much change from the usual.
Welcome to the stone age, they will say to the US.
> >Putin will act like Gandhi-style?
> Putin is a idiot.
No, he is very intelligent.
> >Take one slap after the other, and hope for a character change of the assailant?
> What a thing to suggest about Putin.
I was being sarcastic.

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On Tue, 26 Apr 2022 21:07:46 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
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>On Wednesday, 27 April 2022 at 14:03:46 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
>> On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 10:37:32 +1000, Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >On Tue, 26 Apr 2022 16:50:05 -0700, Mattb <trdel...@gmail.com>
>> >wrote:
>> >
>> >>>>> Putin always targeting heavily, residential civilian areas with
>> >>>>> hospitals and schools, forcing civilians to flee from danger.
>> >>>
>> >>>> They better get out.
>> >>>
>> >>>Why should they have to ?
>> >>>
>> >>>>> He has created columns of refugees and destroyed the fabric of
>> >>>>> society.
>> >>>
>> >>>> Bad happens when puppets or fools rule.
>> >>>
>> >>>And when arseholes like Putin invade.
>> >>
>> >> Sadly looks like Putin again threatens Nuclear war.
>> >>Moscow will glow in the dark.
>> >>
>> >Ideally Russia needs a armed invasion from all fronts by armies from
>> >all westren nations. Not good having the coward of Kabul running the
>> >USA!
>> That would spark the nukes. Biden's mistake was not imposing
>> sanctions before the invasion and not arming Ukraine before the
>> invasion.
>
>Sanctions did not work and some birds tell me that the arms given by the
>stupid USAns were sold by the Ukrainians for whatever they could get.

No doubt by your Russian handlers. They are idiots, Putin is both a
freak and an idiot. Russian press can't be trusted.

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On Tue, 26 Apr 2022 21:13:29 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
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>
>> >
>> >You think US will not be affected?
>> The whole world would be affected.
>Not as much as the US.
>Their proud GDP will vanish.
>For thirdworlders, not much change from the usual.
>Welcome to the stone age, they will say to the US.

You are insane. Russia would be gone as much of the USA, true. The
effects of the bombs would effect most the world. Depending on the
winds. Even if China did not get involved they would be effected
just from the fallout. OZ would even be effected.

>> >Putin will act like Gandhi-style?
>> Putin is a idiot.
>No, he is very intelligent.

No that he is not. Well not anymore rather dull and a total idiot.
>> >Take one slap after the other, and hope for a character change of the assailant?
>> What a thing to suggest about Putin.
>I was being sarcastic.

That can get you 15 years in Russia.

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> >Sanctions did not work and some birds tell me that the arms given by the
> >stupid USAns were sold by the Ukrainians for whatever they could get.

> No doubt by your Russian handlers. They are idiots, Putin is both a
> freak and an idiot. Russian press can't be trusted.

My birds were not Russian. There is an Iranian guy in usenet who is giving the news not in the MSM.
Entirely possible, the tweet, for Ukraine is renowned for corruption.
Taliban got lots of such presents!

Remain in a fool's paradise, made up of MSM lies and stupid hopes.

Rabid bigots causing wars are best separated from by vast oceans.
The lessons from Vietnam has been forgotten, what.

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 by: Arindam Banerjee - Wed, 27 Apr 2022 04:35 UTC

On Wednesday, 27 April 2022 at 14:22:59 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
> On Tue, 26 Apr 2022 21:13:29 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >> >
> >> >You think US will not be affected?
> >> The whole world would be affected.
> >Not as much as the US.
> >Their proud GDP will vanish.
> >For thirdworlders, not much change from the usual.
> >Welcome to the stone age, they will say to the US.
> You are insane. Russia would be gone as much of the USA, true.

False, much less gone than the USA.
So don't push it, fool.

The
> effects of the bombs would effect most the world.

No.

Depending on the
> winds.

Only local damage.
Heavy elements do not fly.

Even if China did not get involved they would be effected
> just from the fallout. OZ would even be effected.

No.

> >> >Putin will act like Gandhi-style?
> >> Putin is a idiot.
> >No, he is very intelligent.
> No that he is not. Well not anymore rather dull and a total idiot.

That is what you yourself are, with Biden as a worthy representative.
> >> >Take one slap after the other, and hope for a character change of the assailant?
> >> What a thing to suggest about Putin.
> >I was being sarcastic.
> That can get you 15 years in Russia.

Rubbish.

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 by: Rod Speed - Wed, 27 Apr 2022 04:41 UTC

On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 14:00:09 +1000, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 12:52:42 +1000, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 10:14:16 +1000, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 10:05:21 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 09:50:05 +1000, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 26 Apr 2022 20:10:43 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, 26 Apr 2022 17:36:40 +1000, Arindam Banerjee
>>>>>> <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tuesday, 26 April 2022 at 10:02:02 UTC+10, petzl wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 25 Apr 2022 16:33:30 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>>>>>>>> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >On Tuesday, 26 April 2022 at 09:21:29 UTC+10, petzl wrote:
>>>>>>>> >> On Mon, 25 Apr 2022 15:48:10 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>>>>>>>> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> >- snip -
>>>>>>>> >> >> Looking at all the above posts, there are clearly those who
>>>>>>>> prefer to propagate the views of the western mainstream media, and
>>>>>>>> those do don't, and want to educate themselves.
>>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>>> >> >> Benjamin Norton gives an excellent presentation of the media
>>>>>>>> war,
>>>>>>>> and he talks about Ukraine about half way through the video....
>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAmnmb1i2-s
>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>> >> >Thanks for the link.
>>>>>>>> >> >Yes, that point of view is shared by most Indians and all
>>>>>>>> those
>>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>> >> > suffered from colonialism.
>>>>>>>> >> >Well, Russia is the champion of the Global South.
>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>> >> Showed you before in 2013 Obama/Biden were involved in the
>>>>>>>> removal
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> >> Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych who turned down the 800
>>>>>>>> Million
>>>>>>>> >> European grant when they accept membership of the EU (not
>>>>>>>> NATO).
>>>>>>>> >> Russia then made a counter offer for $1.5 billion plus a third
>>>>>>>> >> reduction in gas price if they let the status quo stay.
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >Great offer. They could really develop their country. Now look at
>>>>>>>> them.
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> The offer was accepted. Ukraine was not a member of the EU when
>>>>>>>> Putin's Russia did not invade!
>>>>>>>> Putin is complacent with his war criminal tactics!
>>>>>>>> Now, Putin has shifted to Ukraine and is using the very same
>>>>>>>> playbook
>>>>>>>> used to catastrophic effect in Syria and Chechnya.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Got rid of the ISIS in Syria,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not single handedly he didnt.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> and the equivalent in Chechnya.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ISIS was never in Chechnya.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You have problems with that?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just with your bare faced lies.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The Kremlin, meanwhile, denies war crimes and says Russian
>>>>>>>> military
>>>>>>>> forces are not targeting civilians. Just Russian lies, they always
>>>>>>>> have done this is nothing new.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't agree.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Your problem, as always.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Putin always targeting heavily, residential civilian areas with
>>>>>>>> hospitals and schools, forcing civilians to flee from danger.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They better get out.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why should they have to ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> He has created columns of refugees and destroyed the fabric of
>>>>>>>> society.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bad happens when puppets or fools rule.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And when arseholes like Putin invade.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sadly looks like Putin again threatens Nuclear war.
>>>>
>>>> Nar, that shit is pure bluff. Even Putin isn't actually THAT stupid.
>>
>>> That is if he is sane.
>>
>> Corse he is sane, just a psychopath.
>>
>>>>> Moscow will
>>>>> glow in the dark.
>>>>
>>>> Nope, doesnt happen when a city gets nuked.
>>>
>>> I know that.
>>
>> So why that stupidity ?
>
> To see if I could activate the snowflake mode in you.

You never could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag.

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 by: Rod Speed - Wed, 27 Apr 2022 04:45 UTC

On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 14:03:42 +1000, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 10:37:32 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 26 Apr 2022 16:50:05 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>>>> Putin always targeting heavily, residential civilian areas with
>>>>>> hospitals and schools, forcing civilians to flee from danger.
>>>>
>>>>> They better get out.
>>>>
>>>> Why should they have to ?
>>>>
>>>>>> He has created columns of refugees and destroyed the fabric of
>>>>>> society.
>>>>
>>>>> Bad happens when puppets or fools rule.
>>>>
>>>> And when arseholes like Putin invade.
>>>
>>> Sadly looks like Putin again threatens Nuclear war.
>>> Moscow will glow in the dark.
>>>
>> Ideally Russia needs a armed invasion from all fronts by armies from
>> all westren nations. Not good having the coward of Kabul running the
>> USA!
>
> That would spark the nukes. Biden's mistake was not imposing
> sanctions before the invasion

Can't do sanctions until Putin does something unacceptable, stupid.

> and not arming Ukraine before the
> invasion.

The invasion wasn't inevitable and the Ukraine isnt part of NATO
and wasn't even asking for arms, so that wouldn't have been possible.

And it would have provoked Putin even more, proving to him
that the USA was expanding into the Ukraine.

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 by: Rod Speed - Wed, 27 Apr 2022 04:48 UTC

On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 14:06:44 +1000, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, 26 Apr 2022 19:33:59 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
> <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday, 27 April 2022 at 09:50:11 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
>>> On Tue, 26 Apr 2022 20:10:43 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>> <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> >On Tue, 26 Apr 2022 17:36:40 +1000, Arindam Banerjee
>>> ><banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> On Tuesday, 26 April 2022 at 10:02:02 UTC+10, petzl wrote:
>>> >>> On Mon, 25 Apr 2022 16:33:30 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>>> >>> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> >On Tuesday, 26 April 2022 at 09:21:29 UTC+10, petzl wrote:
>>> >>> >> On Mon, 25 Apr 2022 15:48:10 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>>> >>> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>> >>
>>> >>> >> >- snip -
>>> >>> >> >> Looking at all the above posts, there are clearly those who
>>> >>> prefer to propagate the views of the western mainstream media, and
>>> >>> those do don't, and want to educate themselves.
>>> >>> >> >>
>>> >>> >> >> Benjamin Norton gives an excellent presentation of the media
>>> war,
>>> >>> and he talks about Ukraine about half way through the video....
>>> >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAmnmb1i2-s
>>> >>> >> >
>>> >>> >> >Thanks for the link.
>>> >>> >> >Yes, that point of view is shared by most Indians and all
>>> those who
>>> >>> >> > suffered from colonialism.
>>> >>> >> >Well, Russia is the champion of the Global South.
>>> >>> >> >
>>> >>> >> Showed you before in 2013 Obama/Biden were involved in the
>>> removal of
>>> >>> >> Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych who turned down the 800
>>> Million
>>> >>> >> European grant when they accept membership of the EU (not NATO).
>>> >>> >> Russia then made a counter offer for $1.5 billion plus a third
>>> >>> >> reduction in gas price if they let the status quo stay.
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> >Great offer. They could really develop their country. Now look at
>>> them.
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> The offer was accepted. Ukraine was not a member of the EU when
>>> >>> Putin's Russia did not invade!
>>> >>> Putin is complacent with his war criminal tactics!
>>> >>> Now, Putin has shifted to Ukraine and is using the very same
>>> playbook
>>> >>> used to catastrophic effect in Syria and Chechnya.
>>> >
>>> >> Got rid of the ISIS in Syria,
>>> >
>>> >Not single handedly he didnt.
>>> >
>>> >> and the equivalent in Chechnya.
>>> >
>>> >ISIS was never in Chechnya.
>>> >
>>> >> You have problems with that?
>>> >
>>> >Just with your bare faced lies.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >>> The Kremlin, meanwhile, denies war crimes and says Russian military
>>> >>> forces are not targeting civilians. Just Russian lies, they always
>>> >>> have done this is nothing new.
>>> >
>>> >> I don't agree.
>>> >
>>> >Your problem, as always.
>>> >
>>> >>> Putin always targeting heavily, residential civilian areas with
>>> >>> hospitals and schools, forcing civilians to flee from danger.
>>> >
>>> >> They better get out.
>>> >
>>> >Why should they have to ?
>>> >
>>> >>> He has created columns of refugees and destroyed the fabric of
>>> >>> society.
>>> >
>>> >> Bad happens when puppets or fools rule.
>>> >
>>> >And when arseholes like Putin invade.
>>> Sadly looks like Putin again threatens Nuclear war. Moscow will
>>> glow in the dark.
>>
>> You think US will not be affected?
>
> The whole world would be affected.

Nope, not the more oscure parts of it.

>> Putin will act like Gandhi-style?

> Putin is a idiot.

We'll see...

He may well get what he wants, the two eastern provinces of the Ukraine.

>> Take one slap after the other, and hope for a character change of the
>> assailant?
>
> What a thing to suggest about Putin.

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 by: Rod Speed - Wed, 27 Apr 2022 04:50 UTC

On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 14:07:46 +1000, Arindam Banerjee
<banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wednesday, 27 April 2022 at 14:03:46 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
>> On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 10:37:32 +1000, Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >On Tue, 26 Apr 2022 16:50:05 -0700, Mattb <trdel...@gmail.com>
>> >wrote:
>> >
>> >>>>> Putin always targeting heavily, residential civilian areas with
>> >>>>> hospitals and schools, forcing civilians to flee from danger.
>> >>>
>> >>>> They better get out.
>> >>>
>> >>>Why should they have to ?
>> >>>
>> >>>>> He has created columns of refugees and destroyed the fabric of
>> >>>>> society.
>> >>>
>> >>>> Bad happens when puppets or fools rule.
>> >>>
>> >>>And when arseholes like Putin invade.
>> >>
>> >> Sadly looks like Putin again threatens Nuclear war.
>> >>Moscow will glow in the dark.
>> >>
>> >Ideally Russia needs a armed invasion from all fronts by armies from
>> >all westren nations. Not good having the coward of Kabul running the
>> >USA!
>> That would spark the nukes. Biden's mistake was not imposing
>> sanctions before the invasion and not arming Ukraine before the
>> invasion.

> Sanctions did not work

Worked with the RSA and Rhodesia.

> and some birds tell me that the arms given by the
> stupid USAns were sold by the Ukrainians for whatever they could get.

More of your utterly mindless stupid bullshit.

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 by: Rod Speed - Wed, 27 Apr 2022 04:51 UTC

Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote

>> >You think US will not be affected?
>> The whole world would be affected.
> Not as much as the US.
> Their proud GDP will vanish.
> For thirdworlders, not much change from the usual.

> Welcome to the stone age, they will say to the US.

It wouldn't be anything like the stone age for the USA.

>> >Putin will act like Gandhi-style?
>> Putin is a idiot.
> No, he is very intelligent.
>> >Take one slap after the other, and hope for a character change of the
>> assailant?
>> What a thing to suggest about Putin.
> I was being sarcastic.

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 by: Rod Speed - Wed, 27 Apr 2022 04:57 UTC

On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 14:22:53 +1000, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, 26 Apr 2022 21:13:29 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
> <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>> >
>>> >You think US will not be affected?
>>> The whole world would be affected.
>> Not as much as the US.
>> Their proud GDP will vanish.
>> For thirdworlders, not much change from the usual.
>> Welcome to the stone age, they will say to the US.
>
> You are insane.

Nope, just stupid and a narcissist.

> Russia would be gone as much of the USA, true.

Nope, great swathes of russia wouldnt be affected much.

> The
> effects of the bombs would effect most the world.

Bullshit.

> Depending on the
> winds.

More bullshit.

> Even if China did not get involved they would be effected
> just from the fallout.

But that wouldn't have much effect.

> OZ would even be effected.

Only the bits like Pine Gap etc. No worse than the nuke trials here.
Just a few piles of dead yanks.

>>> >Putin will act like Gandhi-style?
>>> Putin is a idiot.
>> No, he is very intelligent.
>
> No that he is not. Well not anymore rather dull and a total idiot.

That's bullshit. He knows that with so much of europe dependant
on his gas, the west won't do much because the Ukraine isnt that
important to them as their standard of living.

>>> >Take one slap after the other, and hope for a character change of the
>>> assailant?
>>> What a thing to suggest about Putin.
>> I was being sarcastic.
>
> That can get you 15 years in Russia.
>

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 by: Rod Speed - Wed, 27 Apr 2022 05:02 UTC

Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote

>>> Sanctions did not work

Its early days yet. They take time to work.

>> and some birds tell me that the arms given by the
>> >stupid USAns were sold by the Ukrainians for whatever they could get.

Only a fool would claim that.

>> No doubt by your Russian handlers. They are idiots, Putin is both a
>> freak and an idiot. Russian press can't be trusted.

> My birds were not Russian. There is an Iranian guy in usenet who is
> giving the news not in the MSM.

Just because some fool claims something...

> Entirely possible, the tweet,

Bullshit, the Ukrainians aren't that stupid.

> for Ukraine is renowned for corruption.

But we have the evidence that they didn't sell the
Javalines or the NTWs, 700 of Putin's best main
battle tanks killed, 10% of their tanks and countless
APCs with plenty more to come, you watch.

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 by: Rod Speed - Wed, 27 Apr 2022 05:17 UTC

Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote

>>> Putin is a idiot.

Nope, he wouldn't have got to where he is in russia by being an idiot.

He has in fact done a hell of a lot better than you have ever managed.

>> No, he is very intelligent.

> No that he is not. Well not anymore rather dull and a total idiot.

You have never had a fucking clue.

He has got everything he has ever tried to get and will get the
two eastern provinces of the Ukraine this time, you watch.

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 by: Petzl - Wed, 27 Apr 2022 05:53 UTC

On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 13:21:37 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 10:37:32 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 26 Apr 2022 16:50:05 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>>>> Putin always targeting heavily, residential civilian areas with
>>>>>> hospitals and schools, forcing civilians to flee from danger.
>>>>
>>>>> They better get out.
>>>>
>>>> Why should they have to ?
>>>>
>>>>>> He has created columns of refugees and destroyed the fabric of
>>>>>> society.
>>>>
>>>>> Bad happens when puppets or fools rule.
>>>>
>>>> And when arseholes like Putin invade.
>>>
>>> Sadly looks like Putin again threatens Nuclear war.
>>> Moscow will glow in the dark.
>>>
>> Ideally Russia needs a armed invasion from all fronts by armies from
>> all westren nations.
>
>Not going to happen because Putin would certainly use nukes then.
>
Nuke Russia, by Russia?
Thats where the surprise attack from the West will happen.
See the training manual for nuclear war
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5t4iz1
The Grand Design Yes Prime Minister
--
Petzl
Something has to be done with the corrupt Stasi/KGB/SVR/FSB Putin!
Putin's Russia traditionally threatens the west with a nuclear attack
even when they did not have any. Now his temper tantrums he launches
missiles into space!
Putin is complacent with his war criminal tactics!
Now, Putin has shifted to Ukraine and is using the very same playbook
used to catastrophic effect in Syria and Chechnya. The Kremlin,
meanwhile, denies war crimes and says Russian military forces are not
targeting civilians. Just Russian lies, they always have done this is
nothing new.
Putin always targets heavily, residential civilian areas with
hospitals and schools, forcing civilians to flee from danger.
Putin has created columns of refugees and destroyed the fabric of
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 by: Petzl - Wed, 27 Apr 2022 06:16 UTC

On Tue, 26 Apr 2022 21:03:42 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 10:37:32 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 26 Apr 2022 16:50:05 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>>>> Putin always targeting heavily, residential civilian areas with
>>>>>> hospitals and schools, forcing civilians to flee from danger.
>>>>
>>>>> They better get out.
>>>>
>>>>Why should they have to ?
>>>>
>>>>>> He has created columns of refugees and destroyed the fabric of
>>>>>> society.
>>>>
>>>>> Bad happens when puppets or fools rule.
>>>>
>>>>And when arseholes like Putin invade.
>>>
>>> Sadly looks like Putin again threatens Nuclear war.
>>>Moscow will glow in the dark.
>>>
>>Ideally Russia needs a armed invasion from all fronts by armies from
>>all westren nations. Not good having the coward of Kabul running the
>>USA!
>
> That would spark the nukes. Biden's mistake was not imposing
>sanctions before the invasion and not arming Ukraine before the
>invasion.
>
There is a time factor here.
A full coordinated attack on Russia by all the West would not be
noticed for hours, by Russia.
Bedlam would be all they could comprehend, communications down, power
off, radio/TV/phones down, water supplies out, oil gas destroyed,
their Subs all sunk. would happen within less than 30 minutes!
And by conventional forces, speed and terror on Russia is the key.
Russia would not know who or what happened. Russia has to be taken
down fast without mercy!
All in this training video (true satire comedy)
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5t4iz1
The Grand Design Yes Prime Minister

If a Russian lit a Russian match it would be noticed by British forces
and targeted instantly.
<https://sites.google.com/site/whooshsplat/the-dreaded-batter-pudding-hurler-of-bexhill---on---sea>
https://tinyurl.com/y4fr5vmm
Henry Crun:
It's much too dark to see, strike a light.
Seagoon:
Not allowed in blackout.
Minnie Bannister:
Strike a dark light.
Seagoon:
No madam! Madam we daren't. Why, only twenty eight miles across the
Channel the Germans are watching this coast.
Henry Crun:
Don't you be a silly pilly policeman.
Minnie Bannister:
Bravo Henry.
Henry Crun:
Pittle Poo.
Minnie Bannister:
Pittle Poo. They can't see a match being struck.
Seagoon:
Oh, all right.
FX:
[Striking match - bomb whistle - explosion]
Seagoon:
Any questions?
Henry Crun:
Yes, where are my legs?
Minnie Bannister:
Where are mine?
Seagoon:
Now are you aware of the danger of German long range guns?
Henry Crun:
Mnk ahh I have it! I've got it, I've got the answer. Just by chance I
happen to have on me a box of German matches.
Seagoon:
Wonderful! Strike one. Ha, they won't dare fire at their own matches.
Henry Crun:
Of course not. Now...
FX:
[Striking match - bomb whistle - explosion]
Henry Crun:
....Curse... The British, the British!!!
--
Petzl
What is the harm of for the Democrats validating the voting system.
Is it because the Democrats have something to hide?

Amazing to think that Lyndon Johnson perfected the
'sit-wait-see how many we need to win-then dump our
stuffed ballots at the last moment' electoral technique
in post-war Texas, and nothing has changed in US elections
in the 7 decades since.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_United_States_Senate_election_in_Texas#Legal_battle>
The Left is fine with Vaccine Cards
but NOT voter IDs. Paying attention yet?

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On Tue, 26 Apr 2022 21:07:46 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
<banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Wednesday, 27 April 2022 at 14:03:46 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
>> On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 10:37:32 +1000, Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >On Tue, 26 Apr 2022 16:50:05 -0700, Mattb <trdel...@gmail.com>
>> >wrote:
>> >
>> >>>>> Putin always targeting heavily, residential civilian areas with
>> >>>>> hospitals and schools, forcing civilians to flee from danger.
>> >>>
>> >>>> They better get out.
>> >>>
>> >>>Why should they have to ?
>> >>>
>> >>>>> He has created columns of refugees and destroyed the fabric of
>> >>>>> society.
>> >>>
>> >>>> Bad happens when puppets or fools rule.
>> >>>
>> >>>And when arseholes like Putin invade.
>> >>
>> >> Sadly looks like Putin again threatens Nuclear war.
>> >>Moscow will glow in the dark.
>> >>
>> >Ideally Russia needs a armed invasion from all fronts by armies from
>> >all westren nations. Not good having the coward of Kabul running the
>> >USA!
>> That would spark the nukes. Biden's mistake was not imposing
>> sanctions before the invasion and not arming Ukraine before the
>> invasion.
>
>Sanctions did not work and some birds tell me that the arms given by the
>stupid USAns were sold by the Ukrainians for whatever they could get.
>
The Taliban are selling Bidens bounty to the Rusians and only take US
dolars.
--
Petzl
Stalin has decreed that murder is a capitalist disease; there is no
murder in a communist paradise. The soviet governments job was to
shoot and kill anyone who had proof of something different

"Our" government and media decree that this "secular multiculturalism
paradise" does not have immigrant crime and remove anyone stating
different!.

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 by: Arindam Banerjee - Wed, 27 Apr 2022 06:38 UTC

On Wednesday, 27 April 2022 at 15:02:52 UTC+10, Rod Speed wrote:
> Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
>
>
> >>> Sanctions did not work
>
> Its early days yet. They take time to work.

Ruble is up, gas paid in ruble, help from China!
No trouble at home.
So far so good for Putin.

> >> and some birds tell me that the arms given by the
> >> >stupid USAns were sold by the Ukrainians for whatever they could get.
> Only a fool would claim that.

No, it is perfectly not-foolish to steal goods if you can get away with it.
Treacherous and unethical no doubt but that won't bother the corrupt.
In times of trouble, law and order systems do not work so opportunities for crimes abound.

> >> No doubt by your Russian handlers. They are idiots, Putin is both a
> >> freak and an idiot. Russian press can't be trusted.
>
> > My birds were not Russian. There is an Iranian guy in usenet who is
> > giving the news not in the MSM.
> Just because some fool claims something...

He does not seem a fool.
I am used to fools like you and Petz, so someone with brains who does not vomit out gratuitous abuse is a relief.
Yes some of his theories seem bizarre but not irrational.
It is quite logical for corrupt persons to sell stuff they can get their paws upon for gain.
Happens everywhere.
> > Entirely possible, the tweet,
>
> Bullshit, the Ukrainians aren't that stupid.

They are very stupid seeing how much of a mess they are in.
Some people - the unscrupulous among them - are out to make hay out of it.

> > for Ukraine is renowned for corruption.

See? Corrupt people cannot turn moral overnight. They always go for money.

> But we have the evidence that they didn't sell the
> Javalines or the NTWs, 700 of Putin's best main
> battle tanks killed, 10% of their tanks and countless
> APCs with plenty more to come, you watch.

So happens that in pro-Russian media they are proudly showing off the bought booty.
Good for reverse engineering, and selling it to other parties for fat profits. or use in war.
Boy are the americans stupid.
Not happy with giving Taliban arms, they are now giving them cheap to the Russians!

Just look at mattb here. Soooo stupid!

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On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 15:53:57 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 13:21:37 +1000, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 10:37:32 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
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>>> On Tue, 26 Apr 2022 16:50:05 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>> Putin always targeting heavily, residential civilian areas with
>>>>>>> hospitals and schools, forcing civilians to flee from danger.
>>>>>
>>>>>> They better get out.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why should they have to ?
>>>>>
>>>>>>> He has created columns of refugees and destroyed the fabric of
>>>>>>> society.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Bad happens when puppets or fools rule.
>>>>>
>>>>> And when arseholes like Putin invade.
>>>>
>>>> Sadly looks like Putin again threatens Nuclear war.
>>>> Moscow will glow in the dark.
>>>>
>>> Ideally Russia needs a armed invasion from all fronts by armies from
>>> all westren nations.
>>
>> Not going to happen because Putin would certainly use nukes then.
>>
> Nuke Russia, by Russia?
> Thats where the surprise attack from the West will happen.

Nope, even that fool Biden isn't actually THAT stupid.

> See the training manual for nuclear war
> https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5t4iz1
> The Grand Design Yes Prime Minister

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On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 16:16:14 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, 26 Apr 2022 21:03:42 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 10:37:32 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 26 Apr 2022 16:50:05 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>> Putin always targeting heavily, residential civilian areas with
>>>>>>> hospitals and schools, forcing civilians to flee from danger.
>>>>>
>>>>>> They better get out.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why should they have to ?
>>>>>
>>>>>>> He has created columns of refugees and destroyed the fabric of
>>>>>>> society.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Bad happens when puppets or fools rule.
>>>>>
>>>>> And when arseholes like Putin invade.
>>>>
>>>> Sadly looks like Putin again threatens Nuclear war.
>>>> Moscow will glow in the dark.
>>>>
>>> Ideally Russia needs a armed invasion from all fronts by armies from
>>> all westren nations. Not good having the coward of Kabul running the
>>> USA!
>>
>> That would spark the nukes. Biden's mistake was not imposing
>> sanctions before the invasion and not arming Ukraine before the
>> invasion.

> There is a time factor here.
> A full coordinated attack on Russia by all the West would not be
> noticed for hours, by Russia.

BULLSHIT, they have phones, stupid.

> Bedlam would be all they could comprehend, communications down, power
> off, radio/TV/phones down, water supplies out, oil gas destroyed,

Not even possible without Putin noticing.

> their Subs all sunk.

Not even possible with the ones at sea with nukes.

That's why russia and the USA has those.

> would happen within less than 30 minutes!

And would have seen russia launching all their nukes, stupid.

> And by conventional forces,

Not even possible.

> speed and terror on Russia is the key.

Not even possible.

> Russia would not know who or what happened.

Corse they would, no one else could even attempt that.

> Russia has to be taken down fast without mercy!

Not even possible.

> All in this training video (true satire comedy)
> https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5t4iz1
> The Grand Design Yes Prime Minister

> If a Russian lit a Russian match it would be noticed by British forces
> and targeted instantly.

More mindless pig ignorant bullshit. If that was
possible Boris would have given that to the Ukraine.

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