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Re: USA to blame

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 by: Rod Speed - Wed, 27 Apr 2022 07:58 UTC

Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote

>> >>> Sanctions did not work

>> Its early days yet. They take time to work.

> Ruble is up,

Fat lot of use that is when there is nowhere to spend it
because no one is actually stupid enough to want roubles.

> gas paid in ruble,

Poland and Bulgaria aren't that stupid.

> help from China!

Nothing they can help with except allow planes to fly from there to russia.

> No trouble at home.

BULLSHIT

> So far so good for Putin.

More bullshit.

>> >> and some birds tell me that the arms given by the
>> >> >stupid USAns were sold by the Ukrainians for whatever they could
>> get.

>> Only a fool would claim that.

> No,

Yep.

> it is perfectly not-foolish to steal goods if you can get away with it.

Not even possible.

> Treacherous and unethical no doubt but that won't bother the corrupt.
> In times of trouble, law and order systems do not work so opportunities
> for crimes abound.

Not that one.

>> >> No doubt by your Russian handlers. They are idiots, Putin is both a
>> >> freak and an idiot. Russian press can't be trusted.
>>
>> > My birds were not Russian. There is an Iranian guy in usenet who is
>> > giving the news not in the MSM.

>> Just because some fool claims something...

> He does not seem a fool.

Only to a fool like you who hasn't noticed the result
the Ukrainians have got with those weapons.

<reams of your shit any 3 year old could leave for dead flushed where it
belongs>

> Yes some of his theories seem bizarre but not irrational.
> It is quite logical for corrupt persons to sell stuff they can get their
> paws upon for gain.
> Happens everywhere.

Not with those US and German weapons it doesnt.

>> > Entirely possible, the tweet,

>> Bullshit, the Ukrainians aren't that stupid.

> They are very stupid seeing how much of a mess they are in.

They aren't stupid enough to give Putin everything he demands.

> Some people - the unscrupulous among them - are out to make hay out of
> it.

But aren't doing that with the US and German weapons.

>> > for Ukraine is renowned for corruption.

India in spades.

> See? Corrupt people cannot turn moral overnight. They always go for
> money.

But can't in this case.

>> But we have the evidence that they didn't sell the
>> Javalines or the NTWs, 700 of Putin's best main
>> battle tanks killed, 10% of their tanks and countless
>> APCs with plenty more to come, you watch.

> So happens that in pro-Russian media they are proudly showing off the
> bought booty.

Just more fake news. Trivial to fake that stuff, stupid.

> Good for reverse engineering, and selling it to other parties for fat
> profits. or use in war.

Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed drunken narcissistic
fantasys.

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 by: Arindam Banerjee - Wed, 27 Apr 2022 09:33 UTC

On Wednesday, 27 April 2022 at 17:58:59 UTC+10, Rod Speed wrote:
> Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
> > Rod Speed wrote
> >> Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
>
> >> >>> Sanctions did not work
>
> >> Its early days yet. They take time to work.
>
> > Ruble is up,
> Fat lot of use that is when there is nowhere to spend it
> because no one is actually stupid enough to want roubles.

Putin has linked ruble to gold.
Ruble is now backed by gold.
He has plenty of gold so he can do that.
That is why ruble has gone up.
To be paid in rubles means being paid in gold.
Putin can buy anything with gold.

He does not want dollars as with sanctions he can't buy from some places with dollars.
Ruble will be nice, thanks.
> > gas paid in ruble,
>
> Poland and Bulgaria aren't that stupid.

Those who want gas from Russia got to pay Putin in ruble which is backed by gold.
>
> > help from China!
>
> Nothing they can help with except allow planes to fly from there to russia.

He can buy what he needs using China.
His gas exports gives him the rubles he needs to buy.
> > No trouble at home.
>
> BULLSHIT

Old Rod still, squealing as there is up his a heated iron rod.

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 by: Rod Speed - Wed, 27 Apr 2022 09:49 UTC

Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
>> > Rod Speed wrote
>> >> Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote

>> >> >>> Sanctions did not work

>> >> Its early days yet. They take time to work.

>> > Ruble is up,

>> Fat lot of use that is when there is nowhere to spend it
>> because no one is actually stupid enough to want roubles.

> Putin has linked ruble to gold.

Fat lot of use that will be, you watch.

> Ruble is now backed by gold.

Fat lot of use that will be, you watch.

> He has plenty of gold so he can do that.

Fat lot of use that will be, you watch.

> That is why ruble has gone up.

Fat lot of use that will be, you watch.

> To be paid in rubles

Fuck all are that stupid.

> means being paid in gold.
> Putin can buy anything with gold.

Not given the sanctions.

> He does not want dollars as with sanctions he can't buy from some places
> with dollars.

And has never been able to with roubles, because no one is actually stupid
enough to want them.

> Ruble will be nice, thanks.

Have fun listing anyone actually stupid enough to want them.

>> > gas paid in ruble,

>> Poland and Bulgaria aren't that stupid.

> Those who want gas from Russia got to pay Putin in ruble

Poland and Bulgaria aren't that stupid.

> which is backed by gold.

Poland and Bulgaria don't care.

>> > help from China!

>> Nothing they can help with except allow planes to fly from there to
>> russia.

> He can buy what he needs using China.

Bullshit with aircraft and decent weapons.

> His gas exports gives him the rubles he needs to buy.

No one is actually stupid enough to want any roubles.

>> > No trouble at home.

>> BULLSHIT

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 by: Petzl - Wed, 27 Apr 2022 10:19 UTC

On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 17:45:03 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 16:16:14 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 26 Apr 2022 21:03:42 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 10:37:32 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 26 Apr 2022 16:50:05 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>> Putin always targeting heavily, residential civilian areas with
>>>>>>>> hospitals and schools, forcing civilians to flee from danger.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They better get out.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why should they have to ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> He has created columns of refugees and destroyed the fabric of
>>>>>>>> society.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bad happens when puppets or fools rule.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And when arseholes like Putin invade.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sadly looks like Putin again threatens Nuclear war.
>>>>> Moscow will glow in the dark.
>>>>>
>>>> Ideally Russia needs a armed invasion from all fronts by armies from
>>>> all westren nations. Not good having the coward of Kabul running the
>>>> USA!
>>>
>>> That would spark the nukes. Biden's mistake was not imposing
>>> sanctions before the invasion and not arming Ukraine before the
>>> invasion.
>
>> There is a time factor here.
>> A full coordinated attack on Russia by all the West would not be
>> noticed for hours, by Russia.
>
>BULLSHIT, they have phones, stupid.
>
>> Bedlam would be all they could comprehend, communications down, power
>> off, radio/TV/phones down, water supplies out, oil gas destroyed,
>
>Not even possible without Putin noticing.
>
>> their Subs all sunk.
>
>Not even possible with the ones at sea with nukes.
>
>That's why russia and the USA has those.
>
>> would happen within less than 30 minutes!
>
>And would have seen russia launching all their nukes, stupid.
>
>> And by conventional forces,
>
>Not even possible.
>
>> speed and terror on Russia is the key.
>
>Not even possible.
>
>> Russia would not know who or what happened.
>
>Corse they would, no one else could even attempt that.
>
>> Russia has to be taken down fast without mercy!
>
>Not even possible.
>
>> All in this training video (true satire comedy)
>> https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5t4iz1
>> The Grand Design Yes Prime Minister
>
>> If a Russian lit a Russian match it would be noticed by British forces
>> and targeted instantly.
>
>More mindless pig ignorant bullshit. If that was
>possible Boris would have given that to the Ukraine.
>
><reams of even sillier shit flushed where it belongs>
>
Putin is even stupider than you are!
Invasion tactics have changed as a response to a rouge nuclear weapon
power.
--
Petzl
The Ukraine horror fiasco is just Russia training for bigger targets!
Putin though looks and speaks like he has been poisoned, he talks
incoherently, behavior paranoid?
It has been reported "Putin has people tasting his food before he eats
it and that last month, he replaced his entire personal staff of 1,000
people.'
Have to wonder if Biden's been fed the same poison?

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 by: Rod Speed - Wed, 27 Apr 2022 10:35 UTC

On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 20:19:41 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 17:45:03 +1000, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 16:16:14 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 26 Apr 2022 21:03:42 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 10:37:32 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 26 Apr 2022 16:50:05 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Putin always targeting heavily, residential civilian areas with
>>>>>>>>> hospitals and schools, forcing civilians to flee from danger.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They better get out.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why should they have to ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> He has created columns of refugees and destroyed the fabric of
>>>>>>>>> society.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bad happens when puppets or fools rule.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And when arseholes like Putin invade.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sadly looks like Putin again threatens Nuclear war.
>>>>>> Moscow will glow in the dark.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Ideally Russia needs a armed invasion from all fronts by armies from
>>>>> all westren nations. Not good having the coward of Kabul running the
>>>>> USA!
>>>>
>>>> That would spark the nukes. Biden's mistake was not imposing
>>>> sanctions before the invasion and not arming Ukraine before the
>>>> invasion.
>>
>>> There is a time factor here.
>>> A full coordinated attack on Russia by all the West would not be
>>> noticed for hours, by Russia.
>>
>> BULLSHIT, they have phones, stupid.
>>
>>> Bedlam would be all they could comprehend, communications down, power
>>> off, radio/TV/phones down, water supplies out, oil gas destroyed,
>>
>> Not even possible without Putin noticing.
>>
>>> their Subs all sunk.
>>
>> Not even possible with the ones at sea with nukes.
>>
>> That's why russia and the USA has those.
>>
>>> would happen within less than 30 minutes!
>>
>> And would have seen russia launching all their nukes, stupid.
>>
>>> And by conventional forces,
>>
>> Not even possible.
>>
>>> speed and terror on Russia is the key.
>>
>> Not even possible.
>>
>>> Russia would not know who or what happened.
>>
>> Corse they would, no one else could even attempt that.
>>
>>> Russia has to be taken down fast without mercy!
>>
>> Not even possible.
>>
>>> All in this training video (true satire comedy)
>>> https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5t4iz1
>>> The Grand Design Yes Prime Minister
>>
>>> If a Russian lit a Russian match it would be noticed by British forces
>>> and targeted instantly.
>>
>> More mindless pig ignorant bullshit. If that was
>> possible Boris would have given that to the Ukraine.
>>
>> <reams of even sillier shit flushed where it belongs>

> Putin is even stupider than you are!

We'll see...

> Invasion tactics have changed as a response to a rouge nuclear weapon
> power.

No one has invaded russia since adolf tried it, stupid.

And clearly it didnt work in Afghanistan.

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 by: Petzl - Wed, 27 Apr 2022 11:04 UTC

On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 20:35:04 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>> Putin is even stupider than you are!
>
>We'll see...
>
>> Invasion tactics have changed as a response to a rouge nuclear weapon
>> power.
>
>No one has invaded russia since adolf tried it, stupid.
>
>And clearly it didnt work in Afghanistan.
>
A coordinated Western attack on a rouge nuclear missile power like
Russia would go unnoticed by Russia for around 60 minutes.
This would leave Russia without a navy air force and a blind army,
before the knew they have the same options as a piece of "porterhouse
steak" rare, medium or well done!
--
Petzl
Something has to be done with the corrupt Stasi/KGB/SVR/FSB Putin!
Putin's Russia traditionally threatens the west with a nuclear attack
even when they did not have any. Now his temper tantrums he launches
missiles into space!
Putin is complacent with his war criminal tactics!
Now, Putin has shifted to Ukraine and is using the very same playbook
used to catastrophic effect in Syria and Chechnya.
The Kremlin, meanwhile, denies war crimes and says Russian military
forces are not targeting civilians.
Just Russian lies, they always have done this is nothing new.
Putin always targets heavily, residential civilian areas with
hospitals and schools, forcing civilians to flee from danger.
Putin has created columns of refugees and destroyed the fabric of
societies.
Russia is just using salami tactics, taking countries slice by slice
using their nuclear threat to stop being stopped.
"WE" must stop them with zero mercy!

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On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 21:04:03 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 20:35:04 +1000, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>> Putin is even stupider than you are!
>>
>> We'll see...
>>
>>> Invasion tactics have changed as a response to a rouge nuclear weapon
>>> power.
>>
>> No one has invaded russia since adolf tried it, stupid.
>>
>> And clearly it didnt work in Afghanistan.

> A coordinated Western attack on a rouge nuclear missile power like
> Russia would go unnoticed by Russia for around 60 minutes.

BULLSHIT. They have phones, stupid.

> This would leave Russia without a navy air force and a blind army,

Not even possible to do that. And they can still nuke anyone actually
stupid
enough to try that. That's the whole point of nuke missile submarines,
stupid.

> before the knew they have the same options as a piece of "porterhouse
> steak" rare, medium or well done!

Anyone actually stupid enough to try it wouldn't even have that
option, it would be obliterated by nukes, and they know it.

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> A coordinated Western attack on a rouge nuclear missile power like
> Russia would go unnoticed by Russia for around 60 minutes.

Not even for 60 seconds.

> This would leave Russia without a navy air force and a blind army,

Fat chance.

> before the knew they have the same options as a piece of "porterhouse
> steak" rare, medium or well done!

Too much beef eating evidently makes one very stupid.

> --
> Petzl

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On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 14:41:59 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 14:00:09 +1000, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 12:52:42 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 10:14:16 +1000, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 10:05:21 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 09:50:05 +1000, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, 26 Apr 2022 20:10:43 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, 26 Apr 2022 17:36:40 +1000, Arindam Banerjee
>>>>>>> <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, 26 April 2022 at 10:02:02 UTC+10, petzl wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 25 Apr 2022 16:33:30 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>>>>>>>>> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >On Tuesday, 26 April 2022 at 09:21:29 UTC+10, petzl wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >> On Mon, 25 Apr 2022 15:48:10 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>>>>>>>>> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> >- snip -
>>>>>>>>> >> >> Looking at all the above posts, there are clearly those who
>>>>>>>>> prefer to propagate the views of the western mainstream media, and
>>>>>>>>> those do don't, and want to educate themselves.
>>>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> >> Benjamin Norton gives an excellent presentation of the media
>>>>>>>>> war,
>>>>>>>>> and he talks about Ukraine about half way through the video....
>>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAmnmb1i2-s
>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>> >> >Thanks for the link.
>>>>>>>>> >> >Yes, that point of view is shared by most Indians and all
>>>>>>>>> those
>>>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>>> >> > suffered from colonialism.
>>>>>>>>> >> >Well, Russia is the champion of the Global South.
>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>> >> Showed you before in 2013 Obama/Biden were involved in the
>>>>>>>>> removal
>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> >> Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych who turned down the 800
>>>>>>>>> Million
>>>>>>>>> >> European grant when they accept membership of the EU (not
>>>>>>>>> NATO).
>>>>>>>>> >> Russia then made a counter offer for $1.5 billion plus a third
>>>>>>>>> >> reduction in gas price if they let the status quo stay.
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> >Great offer. They could really develop their country. Now look at
>>>>>>>>> them.
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> The offer was accepted. Ukraine was not a member of the EU when
>>>>>>>>> Putin's Russia did not invade!
>>>>>>>>> Putin is complacent with his war criminal tactics!
>>>>>>>>> Now, Putin has shifted to Ukraine and is using the very same
>>>>>>>>> playbook
>>>>>>>>> used to catastrophic effect in Syria and Chechnya.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Got rid of the ISIS in Syria,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not single handedly he didnt.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> and the equivalent in Chechnya.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ISIS was never in Chechnya.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You have problems with that?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just with your bare faced lies.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The Kremlin, meanwhile, denies war crimes and says Russian
>>>>>>>>> military
>>>>>>>>> forces are not targeting civilians. Just Russian lies, they always
>>>>>>>>> have done this is nothing new.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't agree.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Your problem, as always.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Putin always targeting heavily, residential civilian areas with
>>>>>>>>> hospitals and schools, forcing civilians to flee from danger.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They better get out.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why should they have to ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> He has created columns of refugees and destroyed the fabric of
>>>>>>>>> society.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bad happens when puppets or fools rule.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And when arseholes like Putin invade.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sadly looks like Putin again threatens Nuclear war.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nar, that shit is pure bluff. Even Putin isn't actually THAT stupid.
>>>
>>>> That is if he is sane.
>>>
>>> Corse he is sane, just a psychopath.
>>>
>>>>>> Moscow will
>>>>>> glow in the dark.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nope, doesnt happen when a city gets nuked.
>>>>
>>>> I know that.
>>>
>>> So why that stupidity ?
>>
>> To see if I could activate the snowflake mode in you.
>
>You never could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag.

You are the Australian version of Rudy Canoza. You post the same
and are correct about the same, which is rare.

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On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 14:45:44 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 14:03:42 +1000, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 10:37:32 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 26 Apr 2022 16:50:05 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>> Putin always targeting heavily, residential civilian areas with
>>>>>>> hospitals and schools, forcing civilians to flee from danger.
>>>>>
>>>>>> They better get out.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why should they have to ?
>>>>>
>>>>>>> He has created columns of refugees and destroyed the fabric of
>>>>>>> society.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Bad happens when puppets or fools rule.
>>>>>
>>>>> And when arseholes like Putin invade.
>>>>
>>>> Sadly looks like Putin again threatens Nuclear war.
>>>> Moscow will glow in the dark.
>>>>
>>> Ideally Russia needs a armed invasion from all fronts by armies from
>>> all westren nations. Not good having the coward of Kabul running the
>>> USA!
>>
>> That would spark the nukes. Biden's mistake was not imposing
>> sanctions before the invasion
>
>Can't do sanctions until Putin does something unacceptable, stupid.

Why. Building up armies to attack on 3 sides was acceptable?
>
>> and not arming Ukraine before the
>> invasion.
>
>The invasion wasn't inevitable and the Ukraine isnt part of NATO
>and wasn't even asking for arms, so that wouldn't have been possible.

Only the idiots didn't know when Putin surrounded Ukraine what he
was planning.
>
>And it would have provoked Putin even more, proving to him
>that the USA was expanding into the Ukraine.

Putin made shit up to be provoked about. He told the Russian people
the Ukrainians were Nazis. Sadly, there are many Russians that stupid
and believe him.

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On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 16:16:14 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Tue, 26 Apr 2022 21:03:42 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 10:37:32 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 26 Apr 2022 16:50:05 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>> Putin always targeting heavily, residential civilian areas with
>>>>>>> hospitals and schools, forcing civilians to flee from danger.
>>>>>
>>>>>> They better get out.
>>>>>
>>>>>Why should they have to ?
>>>>>
>>>>>>> He has created columns of refugees and destroyed the fabric of
>>>>>>> society.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Bad happens when puppets or fools rule.
>>>>>
>>>>>And when arseholes like Putin invade.
>>>>
>>>> Sadly looks like Putin again threatens Nuclear war.
>>>>Moscow will glow in the dark.
>>>>
>>>Ideally Russia needs a armed invasion from all fronts by armies from
>>>all westren nations. Not good having the coward of Kabul running the
>>>USA!
>>
>> That would spark the nukes. Biden's mistake was not imposing
>>sanctions before the invasion and not arming Ukraine before the
>>invasion.
>>
>There is a time factor here.
>A full coordinated attack on Russia by all the West would not be
>noticed for hours, by Russia.

Russia has a decent Satellite system.

>Bedlam would be all they could comprehend, communications down, power
>off, radio/TV/phones down, water supplies out, oil gas destroyed,
>their Subs all sunk. would happen within less than 30 minutes!
>And by conventional forces, speed and terror on Russia is the key.
>Russia would not know who or what happened. Russia has to be taken
>down fast without mercy!
>All in this training video (true satire comedy)
>https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5t4iz1
>The Grand Design Yes Prime Minister
>
>If a Russian lit a Russian match it would be noticed by British forces
>and targeted instantly.
><https://sites.google.com/site/whooshsplat/the-dreaded-batter-pudding-hurler-of-bexhill---on---sea>
> https://tinyurl.com/y4fr5vmm
>Henry Crun:
>It's much too dark to see, strike a light.
>Seagoon:
>Not allowed in blackout.
>Minnie Bannister:
>Strike a dark light.
>Seagoon:
>No madam! Madam we daren't. Why, only twenty eight miles across the
>Channel the Germans are watching this coast.
>Henry Crun:
>Don't you be a silly pilly policeman.
>Minnie Bannister:
>Bravo Henry.
>Henry Crun:
>Pittle Poo.
>Minnie Bannister:
>Pittle Poo. They can't see a match being struck.
>Seagoon:
>Oh, all right.
>FX:
>[Striking match - bomb whistle - explosion]
>Seagoon:
>Any questions?
>Henry Crun:
>Yes, where are my legs?
>Minnie Bannister:
>Where are mine?
>Seagoon:
>Now are you aware of the danger of German long range guns?
>Henry Crun:
>Mnk ahh I have it! I've got it, I've got the answer. Just by chance I
>happen to have on me a box of German matches.
>Seagoon:
>Wonderful! Strike one. Ha, they won't dare fire at their own matches.
>Henry Crun:
>Of course not. Now...
>FX:
>[Striking match - bomb whistle - explosion]
>Henry Crun:
>...Curse... The British, the British!!!

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On Tue, 26 Apr 2022 21:35:33 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
<banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Wednesday, 27 April 2022 at 14:22:59 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
>> On Tue, 26 Apr 2022 21:13:29 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >> >
>> >> >You think US will not be affected?
>> >> The whole world would be affected.
>> >Not as much as the US.
>> >Their proud GDP will vanish.
>> >For thirdworlders, not much change from the usual.
>> >Welcome to the stone age, they will say to the US.
>> You are insane. Russia would be gone as much of the USA, true.
>
>False, much less gone than the USA.

Think you are wrong. No one wins a Nuclear war.

>So don't push it, fool.

It is Putin that would push it.


>
>The
>> effects of the bombs would effect most the world.
>
>No.

You do not believe fallout would go wherever the wind blows? That
the particulate matter would not also move around?

>
>Depending on the
>> winds.
>
>Only local damage.

Bullshit.

>Heavy elements do not fly.

Wrong again.

>
>Even if China did not get involved they would be effected
>> just from the fallout. OZ would even be effected.
>
>No.

Look it up. Also depends on if air burst or ground. Then you
have the limited EMP effects. Yes even OZ would be affected.

>
>> >> >Putin will act like Gandhi-style?
>> >> Putin is a idiot.
>> >No, he is very intelligent.
>> No that he is not. Well not anymore rather dull and a total idiot.
>
>That is what you yourself are, with Biden as a worthy representative.

I didn't vote for Biden or Trump. Both suck IMO.

>> >> >Take one slap after the other, and hope for a character change of the assailant?
>> >> What a thing to suggest about Putin.
>> >I was being sarcastic.
>> That can get you 15 years in Russia.
>
>Rubbish.

Go there and try it.

You are quite the propaganda machine.

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On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 14:57:22 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 14:22:53 +1000, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 26 Apr 2022 21:13:29 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>> <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>> >
>>>> >You think US will not be affected?
>>>> The whole world would be affected.
>>> Not as much as the US.
>>> Their proud GDP will vanish.
>>> For thirdworlders, not much change from the usual.
>>> Welcome to the stone age, they will say to the US.
>>
>> You are insane.
>
>Nope, just stupid and a narcissist.

He does seem to be a propagandist.
>
>> Russia would be gone as much of the USA, true.
>
>Nope, great swathes of russia wouldnt be affected much.

Siberia?
>
>> The
>> effects of the bombs would effect most the world.
>
>Bullshit.

Radiation on the level a full-scale war of this type would entail
would not care about national borders. The jet stream also wouldn't
care.
>
>> Depending on the
>> winds.
>
>More bullshit.

Look it up.
>
>> Even if China did not get involved they would be effected
>> just from the fallout.
>
>But that wouldn't have much effect.

It might to them.
>
>> OZ would even be effected.
>
>Only the bits like Pine Gap etc. No worse than the nuke trials here.
>Just a few piles of dead yanks.

Sorry many Australians also work there sad you don't care about
that. Don't forget Swan Island.
>
>>>> >Putin will act like Gandhi-style?
>>>> Putin is a idiot.
>>> No, he is very intelligent.
>>
>> No that he is not. Well not anymore rather dull and a total idiot.
>
>That's bullshit. He knows that with so much of europe dependant
>on his gas, the west won't do much because the Ukraine isnt that
>important to them as their standard of living.

Maybe.
>
>>>> >Take one slap after the other, and hope for a character change of the
>>>> assailant?
>>>> What a thing to suggest about Putin.
>>> I was being sarcastic.
>>
>> That can get you 15 years in Russia.
>>

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On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 15:17:36 +1000, "Rod Speed"
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>Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>
>>>> Putin is a idiot.
>
>Nope, he wouldn't have got to where he is in russia by being an idiot.

He has become an idiot.
>
>He has in fact done a hell of a lot better than you have ever managed.

I don't like politics. Well working in that field. Then again you
don't even know what I doi.
>
>>> No, he is very intelligent.
>
>> No that he is not. Well not anymore rather dull and a total idiot.
>
>You have never had a fucking clue.

Yes people see you support Putin.
>
>He has got everything he has ever tried to get and will get the
>two eastern provinces of the Ukraine this time, you watch.

Looks like he also wants Moldova area.

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On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 14:48:22 +1000, "Rod Speed"
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>On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 14:06:44 +1000, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 26 Apr 2022 19:33:59 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>> <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wednesday, 27 April 2022 at 09:50:11 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 26 Apr 2022 20:10:43 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>> <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >On Tue, 26 Apr 2022 17:36:40 +1000, Arindam Banerjee
>>>> ><banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> On Tuesday, 26 April 2022 at 10:02:02 UTC+10, petzl wrote:
>>>> >>> On Mon, 25 Apr 2022 16:33:30 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>>>> >>> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> >On Tuesday, 26 April 2022 at 09:21:29 UTC+10, petzl wrote:
>>>> >>> >> On Mon, 25 Apr 2022 15:48:10 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>>>> >>> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >>> >>
>>>> >>> >> >- snip -
>>>> >>> >> >> Looking at all the above posts, there are clearly those who
>>>> >>> prefer to propagate the views of the western mainstream media, and
>>>> >>> those do don't, and want to educate themselves.
>>>> >>> >> >>
>>>> >>> >> >> Benjamin Norton gives an excellent presentation of the media
>>>> war,
>>>> >>> and he talks about Ukraine about half way through the video....
>>>> >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAmnmb1i2-s
>>>> >>> >> >
>>>> >>> >> >Thanks for the link.
>>>> >>> >> >Yes, that point of view is shared by most Indians and all
>>>> those who
>>>> >>> >> > suffered from colonialism.
>>>> >>> >> >Well, Russia is the champion of the Global South.
>>>> >>> >> >
>>>> >>> >> Showed you before in 2013 Obama/Biden were involved in the
>>>> removal of
>>>> >>> >> Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych who turned down the 800
>>>> Million
>>>> >>> >> European grant when they accept membership of the EU (not NATO).
>>>> >>> >> Russia then made a counter offer for $1.5 billion plus a third
>>>> >>> >> reduction in gas price if they let the status quo stay.
>>>> >>> >
>>>> >>> >Great offer. They could really develop their country. Now look at
>>>> them.
>>>> >>> >
>>>> >>> The offer was accepted. Ukraine was not a member of the EU when
>>>> >>> Putin's Russia did not invade!
>>>> >>> Putin is complacent with his war criminal tactics!
>>>> >>> Now, Putin has shifted to Ukraine and is using the very same
>>>> playbook
>>>> >>> used to catastrophic effect in Syria and Chechnya.
>>>> >
>>>> >> Got rid of the ISIS in Syria,
>>>> >
>>>> >Not single handedly he didnt.
>>>> >
>>>> >> and the equivalent in Chechnya.
>>>> >
>>>> >ISIS was never in Chechnya.
>>>> >
>>>> >> You have problems with that?
>>>> >
>>>> >Just with your bare faced lies.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >>> The Kremlin, meanwhile, denies war crimes and says Russian military
>>>> >>> forces are not targeting civilians. Just Russian lies, they always
>>>> >>> have done this is nothing new.
>>>> >
>>>> >> I don't agree.
>>>> >
>>>> >Your problem, as always.
>>>> >
>>>> >>> Putin always targeting heavily, residential civilian areas with
>>>> >>> hospitals and schools, forcing civilians to flee from danger.
>>>> >
>>>> >> They better get out.
>>>> >
>>>> >Why should they have to ?
>>>> >
>>>> >>> He has created columns of refugees and destroyed the fabric of
>>>> >>> society.
>>>> >
>>>> >> Bad happens when puppets or fools rule.
>>>> >
>>>> >And when arseholes like Putin invade.
>>>> Sadly looks like Putin again threatens Nuclear war. Moscow will
>>>> glow in the dark.
>>>
>>> You think US will not be affected?
>>
>> The whole world would be affected.
>
>Nope, not the more oscure parts of it.

OK
>
>>> Putin will act like Gandhi-style?
>
>> Putin is a idiot.
>
>We'll see...
>
>He may well get what he wants, the two eastern provinces of the Ukraine.

Maybe but in a few years he will want more, seems anywhere people
speak Russian is fair game. Maybe people should remove all Russian
speaking people and deport them back to Russia.
>
>>> Take one slap after the other, and hope for a character change of the
>>> assailant?
>>
>> What a thing to suggest about Putin.

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 by: Rod Speed - Wed, 27 Apr 2022 19:12 UTC

On Thu, 28 Apr 2022 02:43:06 +1000, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 14:41:59 +1000, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 14:00:09 +1000, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 12:52:42 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 10:14:16 +1000, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 10:05:21 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 09:50:05 +1000, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, 26 Apr 2022 20:10:43 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 26 Apr 2022 17:36:40 +1000, Arindam Banerjee
>>>>>>>> <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, 26 April 2022 at 10:02:02 UTC+10, petzl wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 25 Apr 2022 16:33:30 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>>>>>>>>>> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >On Tuesday, 26 April 2022 at 09:21:29 UTC+10, petzl wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >> On Mon, 25 Apr 2022 15:48:10 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>>>>>>>>>> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> >- snip -
>>>>>>>>>> >> >> Looking at all the above posts, there are clearly those
>>>>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>>>> prefer to propagate the views of the western mainstream media,
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> those do don't, and want to educate themselves.
>>>>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> >> Benjamin Norton gives an excellent presentation of the
>>>>>>>>>> media
>>>>>>>>>> war,
>>>>>>>>>> and he talks about Ukraine about half way through the video....
>>>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAmnmb1i2-s
>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>>> >> >Thanks for the link.
>>>>>>>>>> >> >Yes, that point of view is shared by most Indians and all
>>>>>>>>>> those
>>>>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>>>> >> > suffered from colonialism.
>>>>>>>>>> >> >Well, Russia is the champion of the Global South.
>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>>> >> Showed you before in 2013 Obama/Biden were involved in the
>>>>>>>>>> removal
>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>> >> Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych who turned down the 800
>>>>>>>>>> Million
>>>>>>>>>> >> European grant when they accept membership of the EU (not
>>>>>>>>>> NATO).
>>>>>>>>>> >> Russia then made a counter offer for $1.5 billion plus a
>>>>>>>>>> third
>>>>>>>>>> >> reduction in gas price if they let the status quo stay.
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >Great offer. They could really develop their country. Now look
>>>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>>> them.
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> The offer was accepted. Ukraine was not a member of the EU when
>>>>>>>>>> Putin's Russia did not invade!
>>>>>>>>>> Putin is complacent with his war criminal tactics!
>>>>>>>>>> Now, Putin has shifted to Ukraine and is using the very same
>>>>>>>>>> playbook
>>>>>>>>>> used to catastrophic effect in Syria and Chechnya.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Got rid of the ISIS in Syria,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Not single handedly he didnt.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> and the equivalent in Chechnya.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ISIS was never in Chechnya.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You have problems with that?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Just with your bare faced lies.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The Kremlin, meanwhile, denies war crimes and says Russian
>>>>>>>>>> military
>>>>>>>>>> forces are not targeting civilians. Just Russian lies, they
>>>>>>>>>> always
>>>>>>>>>> have done this is nothing new.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I don't agree.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Your problem, as always.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Putin always targeting heavily, residential civilian areas with
>>>>>>>>>> hospitals and schools, forcing civilians to flee from danger.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> They better get out.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Why should they have to ?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> He has created columns of refugees and destroyed the fabric of
>>>>>>>>>> society.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Bad happens when puppets or fools rule.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And when arseholes like Putin invade.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sadly looks like Putin again threatens Nuclear war.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nar, that shit is pure bluff. Even Putin isn't actually THAT stupid.
>>>>
>>>>> That is if he is sane.
>>>>
>>>> Corse he is sane, just a psychopath.
>>>>
>>>>>>> Moscow will
>>>>>>> glow in the dark.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nope, doesnt happen when a city gets nuked.
>>>>>
>>>>> I know that.
>>>>
>>>> So why that stupidity ?
>>>
>>> To see if I could activate the snowflake mode in you.
>>
>> You never could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag.
>
> You are the Australian version of Rudy Canoza.

You are wrong, as always.

<reams of your even sillier shit flushed where it belongs>

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 by: Rod Speed - Wed, 27 Apr 2022 19:16 UTC

On Thu, 28 Apr 2022 02:49:27 +1000, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 14:45:44 +1000, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 14:03:42 +1000, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 10:37:32 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 26 Apr 2022 16:50:05 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>> Putin always targeting heavily, residential civilian areas with
>>>>>>>> hospitals and schools, forcing civilians to flee from danger.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They better get out.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why should they have to ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> He has created columns of refugees and destroyed the fabric of
>>>>>>>> society.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bad happens when puppets or fools rule.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And when arseholes like Putin invade.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sadly looks like Putin again threatens Nuclear war.
>>>>> Moscow will glow in the dark.
>>>>>
>>>> Ideally Russia needs a armed invasion from all fronts by armies from
>>>> all westren nations. Not good having the coward of Kabul running the
>>>> USA!
>>>
>>> That would spark the nukes. Biden's mistake was not imposing
>>> sanctions before the invasion
>>
>> Can't do sanctions until Putin does something unacceptable, stupid.

> Why.

That's the way sanctions work, stupid.

> Building up armies to attack on 3 sides

Never happened.

> was acceptable?

>>> and not arming Ukraine before the
>>> invasion.
>>
>> The invasion wasn't inevitable and the Ukraine isnt part of NATO
>> and wasn't even asking for arms, so that wouldn't have been possible.
>
> Only the idiots didn't know when Putin surrounded Ukraine

It isnt surrounded.

> what he was planning.

>> And it would have provoked Putin even more, proving to him
>> that the USA was expanding into the Ukraine.

> Putin made shit up to be provoked about.

Yep.

> He told the Russian people
> the Ukrainians were Nazis. Sadly, there are many Russians that stupid
> and believe him.

Yep. He previously claimed that the russian troops in Geogia were
a peace keaping force and most russians were actually stupid enough
to believe that too.

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 by: Rod Speed - Wed, 27 Apr 2022 19:25 UTC

On Thu, 28 Apr 2022 03:03:28 +1000, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, 26 Apr 2022 21:35:33 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
> <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday, 27 April 2022 at 14:22:59 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
>>> On Tue, 26 Apr 2022 21:13:29 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>>> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >You think US will not be affected?
>>> >> The whole world would be affected.
>>> >Not as much as the US.
>>> >Their proud GDP will vanish.
>>> >For thirdworlders, not much change from the usual.
>>> >Welcome to the stone age, they will say to the US.
>>> You are insane. Russia would be gone as much of the USA, true.
>>
>> False, much less gone than the USA.
>
> Think you are wrong.

No he is not. There are far more major citys in the USA than in Russia.

> No one wins a Nuclear war.

He wasn't talking about winning, he was talking about
which of the two would lose more.

>> So don't push it, fool.

> It is Putin that would push it.
>
>
>>
>> The
>>> effects of the bombs would effect most the world.
>>
>> No.

> You do not believe fallout would go wherever the wind blows?

Fallout is very survivable.

> That
> the particulate matter would not also move around?

But isn't a major problem.

>
>>
>> Depending on the
>>> winds.
>>
>> Only local damage.
>
> Bullshit.

Fact.

>> Heavy elements do not fly.
>
> Wrong again.

Nope.

>> Even if China did not get involved they would be effected
>>> just from the fallout. OZ would even be effected.
>>
>> No.
>
> Look it up. Also depends on if air burst or ground. Then you
> have the limited EMP effects. Yes even OZ would be affected.

Only very minorly with Pine Gap and Harold Holt and maybe the
US Marines base in the NT would be nuked. Not big deal.

>>
>>> >> >Putin will act like Gandhi-style?
>>> >> Putin is a idiot.
>>> >No, he is very intelligent.
>>> No that he is not. Well not anymore rather dull and a total idiot.
>>
>> That is what you yourself are, with Biden as a worthy representative.
>
> I didn't vote for Biden or Trump. Both suck IMO.
>
>>> >> >Take one slap after the other, and hope for a character change of
>>> the assailant?
>>> >> What a thing to suggest about Putin.
>>> >I was being sarcastic.
>>> That can get you 15 years in Russia.
>>
>> Rubbish.
>
> Go there and try it.
>
> You are quite the propaganda machine.

Nope, too far fetched for anyone to believe his shit.

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 by: Rod Speed - Wed, 27 Apr 2022 19:34 UTC

On Thu, 28 Apr 2022 03:09:46 +1000, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 14:57:22 +1000, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 14:22:53 +1000, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 26 Apr 2022 21:13:29 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>>> <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> >
>>>>> >You think US will not be affected?
>>>>> The whole world would be affected.
>>>> Not as much as the US.
>>>> Their proud GDP will vanish.
>>>> For thirdworlders, not much change from the usual.
>>>> Welcome to the stone age, they will say to the US.
>>>
>>> You are insane.
>>
>> Nope, just stupid and a narcissist.

> He does seem to be a propagandist.

Nope, just another nut case that doesn't believe that the moon landing
happened.

>>> Russia would be gone as much of the USA, true.
>>
>> Nope, great swathes of russia wouldnt be affected much.
>
> Siberia?

And the rest of the very low density of humans areas.

Too spread out for it to be possible to fuck up much.

>>> The
>>> effects of the bombs would effect most the world.
>>
>> Bullshit.
>
> Radiation on the level a full-scale war of this type would entail
> would not care about national borders. The jet stream also wouldn't
> care.

Sure, but that fallout isnt a major problem as chernobyle proved.

>>> Depending on the
>>> winds.
>>
>> More bullshit.
>
> Look it up.

Dont need to.

>>> Even if China did not get involved they would be effected
>>> just from the fallout.
>>
>> But that wouldn't have much effect.
>
> It might to them.

Nope, fallout doesnt affect much.

>>> OZ would even be effected.
>>
>> Only the bits like Pine Gap etc. No worse than the nuke trials here.
>> Just a few piles of dead yanks.
>
> Sorry many Australians also work there

Fuck all do.

> sad you don't care about that.

I never said that, just that it is a microscopic subset of Australians.

> Don't forget Swan Island.

No point in nuking that.

>>>>> >Putin will act like Gandhi-style?
>>>>> Putin is a idiot.
>>>> No, he is very intelligent.
>>>
>>> No that he is not. Well not anymore rather dull and a total idiot.
>>
>> That's bullshit. He knows that with so much of europe dependant
>> on his gas, the west won't do much because the Ukraine isnt that
>> important to them as their standard of living.
>
> Maybe.

No maybe about it. None of them have turned off their gas feed from russia.

Poland and Bulgaria have refused to pay in roubles, so far, but
they don't buy enough gas to see Putin pull out of the Uknraine now.

>>>>> >Take one slap after the other, and hope for a character change of
>>>>> the
>>>>> assailant?
>>>>> What a thing to suggest about Putin.
>>>> I was being sarcastic.
>>>
>>> That can get you 15 years in Russia.

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 by: Rod Speed - Wed, 27 Apr 2022 19:37 UTC

On Thu, 28 Apr 2022 03:40:06 +1000, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 15:17:36 +1000, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>>
>>>>> Putin is a idiot.
>>
>> Nope, he wouldn't have got to where he is in russia by being an idiot.
>
> He has become an idiot.

Nope, he will likely grab the two eastern provinces of the Ukraine,
achieve a land bridge to the Crimea and grab at least two very useful
black sea ports.

>> He has in fact done a hell of a lot better than you have ever managed.
>
> I don't like politics. Well working in that field. Then again you
> don't even know what I doi.

Its obvious that Putin has managed FAR more than you have.

>>>> No, he is very intelligent.
>>
>>> No that he is not. Well not anymore rather dull and a total idiot.
>>
>> You have never had a fucking clue.
>
> Yes people see you support Putin.

I have never ever supported Putin.

>> He has got everything he has ever tried to get and will get the
>> two eastern provinces of the Ukraine this time, you watch.
>
> Looks like he also wants Moldova area.

Very likely and may well end up with that too.

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 by: Petzl - Wed, 27 Apr 2022 21:46 UTC

On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 21:39:45 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 21:04:03 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 20:35:04 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>> Putin is even stupider than you are!
>>>
>>> We'll see...
>>>
>>>> Invasion tactics have changed as a response to a rouge nuclear weapon
>>>> power.
>>>
>>> No one has invaded russia since adolf tried it, stupid.
>>>
>>> And clearly it didnt work in Afghanistan.
>
>> A coordinated Western attack on a rouge nuclear missile power like
>> Russia would go unnoticed by Russia for around 60 minutes.
>
>BULLSHIT. They have phones, stupid.
>
Not during a fast conventional forces attack from the west,
communications wouold be dead along with millions of high ranking
Russians.
>
>> This would leave Russia without a navy air force and a blind army,
>
>Not even possible to do that. And they can still nuke anyone actually
>stupid
>enough to try that. That's the whole point of nuke missile submarines,
>stupid.
>
By the time they though of this the war is over, and the invading
forces would be on Russian land, their nukes would have to target
Russia
>
>> before the knew they have the same options as a piece of "porterhouse
>> steak" rare, medium or well done!
>
>Anyone actually stupid enough to try it wouldn't even have that
>option, it would be obliterated by nukes, and they know it.
>
By the time they though of this the war is over, and the invading
forces would be on Russian land, their nukes would have to target
Russia. Mos5t would be very busy with their own dead, modern
conventional weaps are high range and can compete with the force of a
nuclear bomb, even shelters a mile deep!
--
Petzl
A coordinated Western attack on a rouge nuclear missile power like
Russia would go unnoticed by Russia for around 60 minutes.
In this time would leave Russia without power, water, communictions,
roads, a navy, air force and a blind army, before they even knew and
zero time to react.
They will then have the same options as a piece of "steak" rare,
medium or well done!
Something has to be done with the corrupt Stasi/KGB/SVR/FSB Putin!
Putin's Russia traditionally threatens the west with a nuclear attack
even when they did not have any.
Now Puti's temper tantrums he launches missiles into space!
Putin is complacent with his war criminal tactics!
Now, Putin has shifted to Ukraine and is using the very same playbook
used to catastrophic effect in Syria and Chechnya.
The Kremlin, meanwhile, denies war crimes and says Russian military
forces are not targeting civilians.
Just Russian lies, they always have done this is nothing new.
Putin always targets heavily, residential civilian areas with
hospitals and schools, forcing civilians to flee from danger.
Putin has created columns of refugees and destroyed the fabric of
societies.
Russia is just using salami tactics, taking countries slice by slice
using their nuclear threat to stop being stopped.
"WE" must stop them with zero mercy!
Trump is the only one decisive ebough to do this and Putin knew it!

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5t4iz1
The Grand Design Yes Prime Minister

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 by: Petzl - Wed, 27 Apr 2022 21:49 UTC

On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 06:56:57 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
<banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>> A coordinated Western attack on a rouge nuclear missile power like
>> Russia would go unnoticed by Russia for around 60 minutes.
>
>Not even for 60 seconds.
>
>> This would leave Russia without a navy air force and a blind army,
>
>Fat chance.
>
>> before the knew they have the same options as a piece of "porterhouse
>> steak" rare, medium or well done!
>
>Too much beef eating evidently makes one very stupid.
>
So now you are a military genius as well as all the other non-proven
inventions you lay claim to
--
Petzl
A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot
survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable,
for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves
amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling
through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself
For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar
to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he
appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He
rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night
to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so
that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear.

- Marcus Tullius Cicero

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 by: Petzl - Wed, 27 Apr 2022 22:01 UTC

On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 09:51:09 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 16:16:14 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 26 Apr 2022 21:03:42 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 10:37:32 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Tue, 26 Apr 2022 16:50:05 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>> Putin always targeting heavily, residential civilian areas with
>>>>>>>> hospitals and schools, forcing civilians to flee from danger.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They better get out.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Why should they have to ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> He has created columns of refugees and destroyed the fabric of
>>>>>>>> society.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bad happens when puppets or fools rule.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>And when arseholes like Putin invade.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sadly looks like Putin again threatens Nuclear war.
>>>>>Moscow will glow in the dark.
>>>>>
>>>>Ideally Russia needs a armed invasion from all fronts by armies from
>>>>all westren nations. Not good having the coward of Kabul running the
>>>>USA!
>>>
>>> That would spark the nukes. Biden's mistake was not imposing
>>>sanctions before the invasion and not arming Ukraine before the
>>>invasion.
>>>
>>There is a time factor here.
>>A full coordinated attack on Russia by all the West would not be
>>noticed for hours, by Russia.
>
> Russia has a decent Satellite system.
>
Not when they are on the blink and zero means of communication
All they would be able to do is SCREAM!!!!!!!!!!!
Then die. The Russian attack would be over in minutes.
Mop up operations would continue
Residential civilian areas with hospitals and schools, forcing
civilians to flee from danger.

Putin himself would be trying to flee for his yacht, only to find it
destroyed 30 minutes before he gets there!
Unlikely he himself or his catering team would survive
<https://www.foxnews.com/world/inside-putins-yacht-photos>
https://tinyurl.com/y7xyudyq
>
>>Bedlam would be all they could comprehend, communications down, power
>>off, radio/TV/phones down, water supplies out, oil gas destroyed,
>>their Subs all sunk. would happen within less than 30 minutes!
>>And by conventional forces, speed and terror on Russia is the key.
>>Russia would not know who or what happened. Russia has to be taken
>>down fast without mercy!
>>All in this training video (true satire comedy)
>>https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5t4iz1
>>The Grand Design Yes Prime Minister
>>
--
Petzl
Stalin has decreed that murder is a capitalist disease; there is no
murder in a communist paradise. The soviet governments job was to
shoot and kill anyone who had proof of something different

"Our" government and media decree that this "secular multiculturalism
paradise" does not have immigrant crime and remove anyone stating
different!.

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 by: Rod Speed - Wed, 27 Apr 2022 22:04 UTC

On Thu, 28 Apr 2022 07:46:35 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 21:39:45 +1000, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 21:04:03 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 20:35:04 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Putin is even stupider than you are!
>>>>
>>>> We'll see...
>>>>
>>>>> Invasion tactics have changed as a response to a rouge nuclear weapon
>>>>> power.
>>>>
>>>> No one has invaded russia since adolf tried it, stupid.
>>>>
>>>> And clearly it didnt work in Afghanistan.
>>
>>> A coordinated Western attack on a rouge nuclear missile power like
>>> Russia would go unnoticed by Russia for around 60 minutes.
>>
>> BULLSHIT. They have phones, stupid.
>>
> Not during a fast conventional forces attack from the west,
> communications wouold be dead

Not even possible to take out the entire
communications system in the first 30 mins.

> along with millions of high ranking
> Russians.

Not even possible to take out millions of high ranking
russians in the first 30 minutes.

>>> This would leave Russia without a navy air force and a blind army,
>>
>> Not even possible to do that. And they can still nuke anyone actually
>> stupid
>> enough to try that. That's the whole point of nuke missile submarines,
>> stupid.

> By the time they though of this the war is over,

Completely silly. No war is ever over in just 30 minutes.

> and the invading
> forces would be on Russian land, their nukes would have to target
> Russia

Nope, the countrys that have just invaded. That is what nuclear DETERRENCE
is all about.

>>> before the knew they have the same options as a piece of "porterhouse
>>> steak" rare, medium or well done!

>> Anyone actually stupid enough to try it wouldn't even have that
>> option, it would be obliterated by nukes, and they know it.

> By the time they though of this the war is over,

BULLSHIT. They have already thought of that and Putin
has already got his nuke subs at sea, RIGHT NOW.

> and the invading
> forces would be on Russian land, their nukes would have to target
> Russia.

Nope, that isnt how its done.

> Mos5t would be very busy with their own dead,

The nuclear missile subs wouldn't be and neither would Putin.

> modern
> conventional weaps are high range and can compete with the force of a
> nuclear bomb, even shelters a mile deep!

But can do nothing about nuclear missile subs. Thats why the majors
have nuclear missile subs, stupid.

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 by: Petzl - Wed, 27 Apr 2022 22:29 UTC

On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 10:41:49 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
wrote:

>>
>>He may well get what he wants, the two eastern provinces of the Ukraine.
>
>Maybe but in a few years he will want more, seems anywhere people
>speak Russian is fair game. Maybe people should remove all Russian
>speaking people and deport them back to Russia.
>>
Yes called Salami tactics, taking nation one slice at time, using
Russia nuclear arsenal. to any non Nuclear weapons nation who wants to
stop him.
Who Will be the next? Canada
Putin sees this tactic a success and let him get away with war crimes!

Putin has shifted to Ukraine and is using the very same playbook used
to catastrophic effect in Syria and Chechnya.
The Kremlin, meanwhile, denies war crimes and says Russian military
forces are not targeting civilians.
Just Russian lies, they always have done this is nothing new.
Putin always
"targets heavily, residential civilian areas with hospitals and
schools, forcing civilians to flee from danger."
THE VERY DEFINITION OF WAR CRIMES!

Putin has created columns of refugees and destroyed the fabric of
these societies.
Unless he and Biden are stopped it will get worse
--
Petzl
The land of the "FREE"
** ballot harvesting
** late-night ballot drops
** massive ballot trafficking
** blocking GOP observers from the counting rooms
** only hiring Democrats to count votes
** ignoring chain of custody laws
** weak Republican lawmakers
** corrupted ballot-counting machines
** Destroying the evidence
** bloated voter rolls

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