Daryl wrote:
==========

> >
> > What you call this San Francisco USA video
> > https://youtu.be/gS-aQ1kCfV8
>
> CGI= Computer generated image

** Reminds me one heck of a lot of the first and only flight of the Spruce Goose.

FYI:

Howard Hughes " H4 Hercules " looked very similar, with 8 protruding engine pods too.
See *real* video of that flight in November 1947.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_auaeK2B7g

........ Phil

On Mon, 26 Sep 2022 15:17:45 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
wrote:

>On 26/9/2022 1:00 pm, Petzl wrote:
>> On Mon, 26 Sep 2022 12:43:52 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> 800km at nearly 540kph in the 100-seater Monarchs using
>>>> existing battery technology.
>>>
>>> Easy to claim, none of those have actually been built. NOT ONE.
>>
>> What you call this San Francisco USA video
>> https://youtu.be/gS-aQ1kCfV8
>
>
>CGI= Computer generated image

Yes I believe it is
--
Petzl
'we are a Christian nation' with 'Christian values' to which newcomers
should conform, while enjoying freedom for their own beliefs.
Pauline Hanson.

If you look at Australia it is largely a Christian country with
Christian norms. The things we do, the way our political parties
behave, have, if not an activist Christianity about it, Christian
ideals.
Paul Keating

On Mon, 26 Sep 2022 15:25:50 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
wrote:

>On 26/9/2022 1:03 pm, Petzl wrote:
>> On Mon, 26 Sep 2022 12:49:31 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 26 Sep 2022 10:25:46 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 26 Sep 2022 09:54:43 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 26/9/2022 5:32 am, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 10:36:09 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 09:56:21 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 25/9/2022 9:22 am, Petzl wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 06:15:56 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>>>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7tKXMYzwW4>
>>>>>>>>>>> TV news about this
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Just more mindless sales bullshit.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> $20 and 20 minutes from Sydney Harbour to Newcastle
>>>>>>>>> The planes are limited from harbour to harbour
>>>>>>>>> A hour from Sydney/Botany to Melbourne harbour.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Pure fantasy since they supposed only fly over water, the route Syd
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> Melb over water is considerably longer than over land and that takes
>>>>>>>> about an hour.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They fly at 320 km/h, 10 metres above water
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not when there are decent waves they dont.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Think it may have possibilities.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Maybe ok for short haul flights or tourist transport, can't see it
>>>>>>>> being
>>>>>>>> of any use on major commuter routes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Some of the Planes the NZ fleet is buying seats a 100 passengers
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bullshit. And NZ isnt buying any.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (all economy Qantas seat 180)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wrong with the Dash 8s and SAAB 340Bs that QantasLink and Rex use.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> at 320km/h should be in Melbourne/St Kilda under 2.5 hours.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No chance and those steaming turds don't have the range for that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Guessing the price but are really cheap (25% the cost) compared to
>>>>>>>>> passenger jets, 4 times quicker than road or 8 times than a train.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> See above, not that fast at all if they have to fly over water.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thought so at first but worked out their speed is around 320 km/h?
>>>>>>> Altitude 10 metres above water.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not even possible with ocean waves.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not going to be safe with some waves well in excess of 10mtrs when you
>>>>> get near Bass Strait.
>>>>
>>>> Bad weather a canceled flight.
>>>> <https://www.ourcoast.org.au/inundation_report/ch03s02s04.php#:~:text=The%20measured%20significant%20wave%20height,m%20during%20winter%20and%20spring.>
>>>> https://tinyurl.com/2zw27uf6
>>>> How big can the waves get in the Bass Strait?
>>>>
>>>> The measured significant wave height reaches 6.4 m, with at least 50%
>>>> of the waves being between 1 and 2 m. The average significant wave
>>>> height over all seasons at this location is 1.7 m. Seasonally, the
>>>> average wave height drops to 1.6 m in summer and autumn and returns to
>>>> 1.7 m during winter and spring.
>>>
>>> What matters is the biggest ones, not the average waves.
>>
>> The can easily fly 40 metres high if they have to.
>
>It would need to be equipped with ground hugging radar like what is
>fitted to some fighter jets, it would be very difficult to "fly" at a
>constant 10mtrs above the water at high speed when the surface of the
>water is constantly moving without some very sophisticated radar
>controlled auto pilot.
>
until NZ puts thm in operayion no one will know what they can or can't
do
These aircraft will not come under any Civil Aviation authority.
They will come under
https://www.maritimenz.govt.nz
--
Petzl
The problem with socialism is that you
eventually run out of other people's money.

On 26/9/2022 6:23 pm, Petzl wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Sep 2022 15:25:50 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
> wrote:
>
>> On 26/9/2022 1:03 pm, Petzl wrote:
>>> On Mon, 26 Sep 2022 12:49:31 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 26 Sep 2022 10:25:46 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 26 Sep 2022 09:54:43 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 26/9/2022 5:32 am, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 10:36:09 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 09:56:21 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 25/9/2022 9:22 am, Petzl wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 06:15:56 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>>>>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7tKXMYzwW4>
>>>>>>>>>>>> TV news about this
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Just more mindless sales bullshit.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> $20 and 20 minutes from Sydney Harbour to Newcastle
>>>>>>>>>> The planes are limited from harbour to harbour
>>>>>>>>>> A hour from Sydney/Botany to Melbourne harbour.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Pure fantasy since they supposed only fly over water, the route Syd
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> Melb over water is considerably longer than over land and that takes
>>>>>>>>> about an hour.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They fly at 320 km/h, 10 metres above water
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not when there are decent waves they dont.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Think it may have possibilities.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Maybe ok for short haul flights or tourist transport, can't see it
>>>>>>>>> being
>>>>>>>>> of any use on major commuter routes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Some of the Planes the NZ fleet is buying seats a 100 passengers
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bullshit. And NZ isnt buying any.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> (all economy Qantas seat 180)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wrong with the Dash 8s and SAAB 340Bs that QantasLink and Rex use.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> at 320km/h should be in Melbourne/St Kilda under 2.5 hours.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No chance and those steaming turds don't have the range for that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Guessing the price but are really cheap (25% the cost) compared to
>>>>>>>>>> passenger jets, 4 times quicker than road or 8 times than a train.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> See above, not that fast at all if they have to fly over water.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thought so at first but worked out their speed is around 320 km/h?
>>>>>>>> Altitude 10 metres above water.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not even possible with ocean waves.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not going to be safe with some waves well in excess of 10mtrs when you
>>>>>> get near Bass Strait.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bad weather a canceled flight.
>>>>> <https://www.ourcoast.org.au/inundation_report/ch03s02s04.php#:~:text=The%20measured%20significant%20wave%20height,m%20during%20winter%20and%20spring.>
>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/2zw27uf6
>>>>> How big can the waves get in the Bass Strait?
>>>>>
>>>>> The measured significant wave height reaches 6.4 m, with at least 50%
>>>>> of the waves being between 1 and 2 m. The average significant wave
>>>>> height over all seasons at this location is 1.7 m. Seasonally, the
>>>>> average wave height drops to 1.6 m in summer and autumn and returns to
>>>>> 1.7 m during winter and spring.
>>>>
>>>> What matters is the biggest ones, not the average waves.
>>>
>>> The can easily fly 40 metres high if they have to.
>>
>> It would need to be equipped with ground hugging radar like what is
>> fitted to some fighter jets, it would be very difficult to "fly" at a
>> constant 10mtrs above the water at high speed when the surface of the
>> water is constantly moving without some very sophisticated radar
>> controlled auto pilot.
>>
> until NZ puts thm in operayion no one will know what they can or can't
> do
> These aircraft will not come under any Civil Aviation authority.
> They will come under
> https://www.maritimenz.govt.nz

That's a tricky question, is it a boat or an aircraft?
NZ might classify it as a boat but elsewhere might classify it as an
aircraft or maybe both and need to be registered as both.

--
Daryl

On Mon, 26 Sep 2022 18:23:43 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 26 Sep 2022 15:25:50 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
> wrote:
>
>> On 26/9/2022 1:03 pm, Petzl wrote:
>>> On Mon, 26 Sep 2022 12:49:31 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 26 Sep 2022 10:25:46 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 26 Sep 2022 09:54:43 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 26/9/2022 5:32 am, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 10:36:09 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 09:56:21 +1000, Daryl
>>>>>>>> <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 25/9/2022 9:22 am, Petzl wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 06:15:56 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>>>>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7tKXMYzwW4>
>>>>>>>>>>>> TV news about this
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Just more mindless sales bullshit.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> $20 and 20 minutes from Sydney Harbour to Newcastle
>>>>>>>>>> The planes are limited from harbour to harbour
>>>>>>>>>> A hour from Sydney/Botany to Melbourne harbour.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Pure fantasy since they supposed only fly over water, the route
>>>>>>>>> Syd
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> Melb over water is considerably longer than over land and that
>>>>>>>>> takes
>>>>>>>>> about an hour.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They fly at 320 km/h, 10 metres above water
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not when there are decent waves they dont.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Think it may have possibilities.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Maybe ok for short haul flights or tourist transport, can't see
>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>> being
>>>>>>>>> of any use on major commuter routes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Some of the Planes the NZ fleet is buying seats a 100 passengers
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bullshit. And NZ isnt buying any.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> (all economy Qantas seat 180)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wrong with the Dash 8s and SAAB 340Bs that QantasLink and Rex use.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> at 320km/h should be in Melbourne/St Kilda under 2.5 hours.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No chance and those steaming turds don't have the range for that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Guessing the price but are really cheap (25% the cost) compared
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> passenger jets, 4 times quicker than road or 8 times than a
>>>>>>>>>> train.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> See above, not that fast at all if they have to fly over water.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thought so at first but worked out their speed is around 320 km/h?
>>>>>>>> Altitude 10 metres above water.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not even possible with ocean waves.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not going to be safe with some waves well in excess of 10mtrs when
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> get near Bass Strait.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bad weather a canceled flight.
>>>>> <https://www.ourcoast.org.au/inundation_report/ch03s02s04.php#:~:text=The%20measured%20significant%20wave%20height,m%20during%20winter%20and%20spring.>
>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/2zw27uf6
>>>>> How big can the waves get in the Bass Strait?
>>>>>
>>>>> The measured significant wave height reaches 6.4 m, with at least 50%
>>>>> of the waves being between 1 and 2 m. The average significant wave
>>>>> height over all seasons at this location is 1.7 m. Seasonally, the
>>>>> average wave height drops to 1.6 m in summer and autumn and returns
>>>>> to
>>>>> 1.7 m during winter and spring.
>>>>
>>>> What matters is the biggest ones, not the average waves.
>>>
>>> The can easily fly 40 metres high if they have to.
>>
>> It would need to be equipped with ground hugging radar like what is
>> fitted to some fighter jets, it would be very difficult to "fly" at a
>> constant 10mtrs above the water at high speed when the surface of the
>> water is constantly moving without some very sophisticated radar
>> controlled auto pilot.

> until NZ puts thm in operayion

Never going to happen, you watch.

> no one will know what they can or can't do

But we do know that they are useless.

> These aircraft will not come under any Civil Aviation authority.

BULLSHIT.

> They will come under
> https://www.maritimenz.govt.nz

BULLSHIT.

On Mon, 26 Sep 2022 18:38:39 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> wrote:

> On 26/9/2022 6:23 pm, Petzl wrote:
>> On Mon, 26 Sep 2022 15:25:50 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 26/9/2022 1:03 pm, Petzl wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 26 Sep 2022 12:49:31 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 26 Sep 2022 10:25:46 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, 26 Sep 2022 09:54:43 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 26/9/2022 5:32 am, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 10:36:09 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 09:56:21 +1000, Daryl
>>>>>>>>> <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 25/9/2022 9:22 am, Petzl wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 06:15:56 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>>>>>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7tKXMYzwW4>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> TV news about this
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Just more mindless sales bullshit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> $20 and 20 minutes from Sydney Harbour to Newcastle
>>>>>>>>>>> The planes are limited from harbour to harbour
>>>>>>>>>>> A hour from Sydney/Botany to Melbourne harbour.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Pure fantasy since they supposed only fly over water, the route
>>>>>>>>>> Syd
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> Melb over water is considerably longer than over land and that
>>>>>>>>>> takes
>>>>>>>>>> about an hour.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> They fly at 320 km/h, 10 metres above water
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Not when there are decent waves they dont.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Think it may have possibilities.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Maybe ok for short haul flights or tourist transport, can't see
>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>> being
>>>>>>>>>> of any use on major commuter routes.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Some of the Planes the NZ fleet is buying seats a 100 passengers
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bullshit. And NZ isnt buying any.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> (all economy Qantas seat 180)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Wrong with the Dash 8s and SAAB 340Bs that QantasLink and Rex use.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> at 320km/h should be in Melbourne/St Kilda under 2.5 hours.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No chance and those steaming turds don't have the range for that.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Guessing the price but are really cheap (25% the cost)
>>>>>>>>>>> compared to
>>>>>>>>>>> passenger jets, 4 times quicker than road or 8 times than a
>>>>>>>>>>> train.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> See above, not that fast at all if they have to fly over water.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thought so at first but worked out their speed is around 320
>>>>>>>>> km/h?
>>>>>>>>> Altitude 10 metres above water.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Not even possible with ocean waves.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not going to be safe with some waves well in excess of 10mtrs when
>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>> get near Bass Strait.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bad weather a canceled flight.
>>>>>> <https://www.ourcoast.org.au/inundation_report/ch03s02s04.php#:~:text=The%20measured%20significant%20wave%20height,m%20during%20winter%20and%20spring.>
>>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/2zw27uf6
>>>>>> How big can the waves get in the Bass Strait?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The measured significant wave height reaches 6.4 m, with at least
>>>>>> 50%
>>>>>> of the waves being between 1 and 2 m. The average significant wave
>>>>>> height over all seasons at this location is 1.7 m. Seasonally, the
>>>>>> average wave height drops to 1.6 m in summer and autumn and returns
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> 1.7 m during winter and spring.
>>>>>
>>>>> What matters is the biggest ones, not the average waves.
>>>>
>>>> The can easily fly 40 metres high if they have to.
>>>
>>> It would need to be equipped with ground hugging radar like what is
>>> fitted to some fighter jets, it would be very difficult to "fly" at a
>>> constant 10mtrs above the water at high speed when the surface of the
>>> water is constantly moving without some very sophisticated radar
>>> controlled auto pilot.
>>>
>> until NZ puts thm in operayion no one will know what they can or can't
>> do
>> These aircraft will not come under any Civil Aviation authority.
>> They will come under
>> https://www.maritimenz.govt.nz
>
>
> That's a tricky question, is it a boat or an aircraft?
> NZ might classify it as a boat but elsewhere might classify it as an
> aircraft or maybe both and need to be registered as both.

No one does it that way with amphibs or flying boats.

On Mon, 26 Sep 2022 18:38:39 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
wrote:

>On 26/9/2022 6:23 pm, Petzl wrote:
>> On Mon, 26 Sep 2022 15:25:50 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 26/9/2022 1:03 pm, Petzl wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 26 Sep 2022 12:49:31 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 26 Sep 2022 10:25:46 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, 26 Sep 2022 09:54:43 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 26/9/2022 5:32 am, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 10:36:09 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 09:56:21 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 25/9/2022 9:22 am, Petzl wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 06:15:56 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>>>>>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7tKXMYzwW4>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> TV news about this
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Just more mindless sales bullshit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> $20 and 20 minutes from Sydney Harbour to Newcastle
>>>>>>>>>>> The planes are limited from harbour to harbour
>>>>>>>>>>> A hour from Sydney/Botany to Melbourne harbour.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Pure fantasy since they supposed only fly over water, the route Syd
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> Melb over water is considerably longer than over land and that takes
>>>>>>>>>> about an hour.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> They fly at 320 km/h, 10 metres above water
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Not when there are decent waves they dont.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Think it may have possibilities.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Maybe ok for short haul flights or tourist transport, can't see it
>>>>>>>>>> being
>>>>>>>>>> of any use on major commuter routes.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Some of the Planes the NZ fleet is buying seats a 100 passengers
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bullshit. And NZ isnt buying any.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> (all economy Qantas seat 180)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Wrong with the Dash 8s and SAAB 340Bs that QantasLink and Rex use.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> at 320km/h should be in Melbourne/St Kilda under 2.5 hours.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No chance and those steaming turds don't have the range for that.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Guessing the price but are really cheap (25% the cost) compared to
>>>>>>>>>>> passenger jets, 4 times quicker than road or 8 times than a train.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> See above, not that fast at all if they have to fly over water.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thought so at first but worked out their speed is around 320 km/h?
>>>>>>>>> Altitude 10 metres above water.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Not even possible with ocean waves.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not going to be safe with some waves well in excess of 10mtrs when you
>>>>>>> get near Bass Strait.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bad weather a canceled flight.
>>>>>> <https://www.ourcoast.org.au/inundation_report/ch03s02s04.php#:~:text=The%20measured%20significant%20wave%20height,m%20during%20winter%20and%20spring.>
>>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/2zw27uf6
>>>>>> How big can the waves get in the Bass Strait?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The measured significant wave height reaches 6.4 m, with at least 50%
>>>>>> of the waves being between 1 and 2 m. The average significant wave
>>>>>> height over all seasons at this location is 1.7 m. Seasonally, the
>>>>>> average wave height drops to 1.6 m in summer and autumn and returns to
>>>>>> 1.7 m during winter and spring.
>>>>>
>>>>> What matters is the biggest ones, not the average waves.
>>>>
>>>> The can easily fly 40 metres high if they have to.
>>>
>>> It would need to be equipped with ground hugging radar like what is
>>> fitted to some fighter jets, it would be very difficult to "fly" at a
>>> constant 10mtrs above the water at high speed when the surface of the
>>> water is constantly moving without some very sophisticated radar
>>> controlled auto pilot.
>>>
>> until NZ puts thm in operayion no one will know what they can or can't
>> do
>> These aircraft will not come under any Civil Aviation authority.
>> They will come under
>> https://www.maritimenz.govt.nz
>
>
>That's a tricky question, is it a boat or an aircraft?
>NZ might classify it as a boat but elsewhere might classify it as an
>aircraft or maybe both and need to be registered as both.

I don't really know, but believe the USA have them as boats
--
Petzl
Good lawyers know the law
Great lawyers know the judge

On Mon, 26 Sep 2022 18:38:39 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
wrote:

>On 26/9/2022 6:23 pm, Petzl wrote:
>> On Mon, 26 Sep 2022 15:25:50 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 26/9/2022 1:03 pm, Petzl wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 26 Sep 2022 12:49:31 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 26 Sep 2022 10:25:46 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, 26 Sep 2022 09:54:43 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 26/9/2022 5:32 am, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 10:36:09 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 09:56:21 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 25/9/2022 9:22 am, Petzl wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 06:15:56 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>>>>>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7tKXMYzwW4>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> TV news about this
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Just more mindless sales bullshit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> $20 and 20 minutes from Sydney Harbour to Newcastle
>>>>>>>>>>> The planes are limited from harbour to harbour
>>>>>>>>>>> A hour from Sydney/Botany to Melbourne harbour.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Pure fantasy since they supposed only fly over water, the route Syd
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> Melb over water is considerably longer than over land and that takes
>>>>>>>>>> about an hour.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> They fly at 320 km/h, 10 metres above water
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Not when there are decent waves they dont.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Think it may have possibilities.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Maybe ok for short haul flights or tourist transport, can't see it
>>>>>>>>>> being
>>>>>>>>>> of any use on major commuter routes.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Some of the Planes the NZ fleet is buying seats a 100 passengers
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bullshit. And NZ isnt buying any.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> (all economy Qantas seat 180)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Wrong with the Dash 8s and SAAB 340Bs that QantasLink and Rex use.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> at 320km/h should be in Melbourne/St Kilda under 2.5 hours.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No chance and those steaming turds don't have the range for that.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Guessing the price but are really cheap (25% the cost) compared to
>>>>>>>>>>> passenger jets, 4 times quicker than road or 8 times than a train.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> See above, not that fast at all if they have to fly over water.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thought so at first but worked out their speed is around 320 km/h?
>>>>>>>>> Altitude 10 metres above water.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Not even possible with ocean waves.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not going to be safe with some waves well in excess of 10mtrs when you
>>>>>>> get near Bass Strait.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bad weather a canceled flight.
>>>>>> <https://www.ourcoast.org.au/inundation_report/ch03s02s04.php#:~:text=The%20measured%20significant%20wave%20height,m%20during%20winter%20and%20spring.>
>>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/2zw27uf6
>>>>>> How big can the waves get in the Bass Strait?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The measured significant wave height reaches 6.4 m, with at least 50%
>>>>>> of the waves being between 1 and 2 m. The average significant wave
>>>>>> height over all seasons at this location is 1.7 m. Seasonally, the
>>>>>> average wave height drops to 1.6 m in summer and autumn and returns to
>>>>>> 1.7 m during winter and spring.
>>>>>
>>>>> What matters is the biggest ones, not the average waves.
>>>>
>>>> The can easily fly 40 metres high if they have to.
>>>
>>> It would need to be equipped with ground hugging radar like what is
>>> fitted to some fighter jets, it would be very difficult to "fly" at a
>>> constant 10mtrs above the water at high speed when the surface of the
>>> water is constantly moving without some very sophisticated radar
>>> controlled auto pilot.
>>>
>> until NZ puts thm in operayion no one will know what they can or can't
>> do
>> These aircraft will not come under any Civil Aviation authority.
>> They will come under
>> https://www.maritimenz.govt.nz
>
>That's a tricky question, is it a boat or an aircraft?
>NZ might classify it as a boat but elsewhere might classify it as an
>aircraft or maybe both and need to be registered as both.

Might be why everything is coming under the "Transport Authority"
--
Petzl
Good lawyers know the law
Great lawyers know the judge

On 26/9/2022 7:18 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Sep 2022 18:38:39 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> wrote:
>
>> On 26/9/2022 6:23 pm, Petzl wrote:
>>> On Mon, 26 Sep 2022 15:25:50 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 26/9/2022 1:03 pm, Petzl wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 26 Sep 2022 12:49:31 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, 26 Sep 2022 10:25:46 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, 26 Sep 2022 09:54:43 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 26/9/2022 5:32 am, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 10:36:09 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 09:56:21 +1000, Daryl
>>>>>>>>>> <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 25/9/2022 9:22 am, Petzl wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 06:15:56 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>>>>>>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7tKXMYzwW4>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TV news about this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just more mindless sales bullshit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> $20 and 20 minutes from Sydney Harbour to Newcastle
>>>>>>>>>>>> The planes are limited from harbour to harbour
>>>>>>>>>>>> A hour from Sydney/Botany to Melbourne harbour.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Pure fantasy since they supposed only fly over water, the
>>>>>>>>>>> route Syd
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> Melb over water is considerably longer than over land and
>>>>>>>>>>> that takes
>>>>>>>>>>> about an hour.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> They fly at 320 km/h, 10 metres above water
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Not when there are decent waves they dont.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Think it may have possibilities.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe ok for short haul flights or tourist transport, can't
>>>>>>>>>>> see it
>>>>>>>>>>> being
>>>>>>>>>>> of any use on major commuter routes.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Some of the Planes the NZ fleet is buying seats a 100 passengers
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Bullshit. And NZ isnt buying any.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> (all economy Qantas seat 180)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Wrong with the Dash 8s and SAAB 340Bs that QantasLink and Rex use.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> at 320km/h should be in Melbourne/St Kilda  under 2.5 hours.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> No chance and those steaming turds don't have the range for that.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Guessing the price but are really cheap (25% the cost)
>>>>>>>>>>>> compared to
>>>>>>>>>>>> passenger jets, 4 times quicker than road or 8 times than a
>>>>>>>>>>>> train.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> See above, not that fast at all if they have to fly over water.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thought so at first but worked out their speed is around 320
>>>>>>>>>> km/h?
>>>>>>>>>> Altitude 10 metres above water.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Not even possible with ocean waves.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Not going to be safe with some waves well in excess of 10mtrs
>>>>>>>> when you
>>>>>>>> get near Bass Strait.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bad weather a canceled flight.
>>>>>>> <https://www.ourcoast.org.au/inundation_report/ch03s02s04.php#:~:text=The%20measured%20significant%20wave%20height,m%20during%20winter%20and%20spring.>
>>>>>>>       https://tinyurl.com/2zw27uf6
>>>>>>> How big can the waves get in the Bass Strait?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The measured significant wave height reaches 6.4 m, with at least
>>>>>>> 50%
>>>>>>> of the waves being between 1 and 2 m. The average significant wave
>>>>>>> height over all seasons at this location is 1.7 m. Seasonally, the
>>>>>>> average wave height drops to 1.6 m in summer and autumn and
>>>>>>> returns to
>>>>>>> 1.7 m during winter and spring.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What matters is the biggest ones, not the average waves.
>>>>>
>>>>> The can easily fly 40 metres high if they have to.
>>>>
>>>> It would need to be equipped with ground hugging radar like what is
>>>> fitted to some fighter jets, it would be very difficult to "fly" at a
>>>> constant 10mtrs above the water at high speed when the surface of the
>>>> water is constantly moving without some very sophisticated radar
>>>> controlled auto pilot.
>>>>
>>> until NZ puts thm in operayion no one will know what they can or can't
>>> do
>>> These aircraft will not come under any Civil Aviation authority.
>>> They will come under
>>> https://www.maritimenz.govt.nz
>>
>>
>> That's a tricky question, is it a boat or an aircraft?
>> NZ might classify it as a boat but elsewhere might classify it as an
>> aircraft or maybe both and need to be registered as both.
>
> No one does it that way with amphibs or flying boats.

Don't know about Australia but I've seen videos about amphibious cars in
the UK that have needed to registered as both a car and a boat.
Most likely it would be classified as an aircraft since it supposedly
"flys" but I don't think that it will matter since I doubt that they
will ever get past prototype stage if they even get that far.

--
Daryl

On Mon, 26 Sep 2022 21:51:50 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> wrote:

> On 26/9/2022 7:18 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
>> On Mon, 26 Sep 2022 18:38:39 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 26/9/2022 6:23 pm, Petzl wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 26 Sep 2022 15:25:50 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 26/9/2022 1:03 pm, Petzl wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon, 26 Sep 2022 12:49:31 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, 26 Sep 2022 10:25:46 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 26 Sep 2022 09:54:43 +1000, Daryl
>>>>>>>> <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 26/9/2022 5:32 am, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 10:36:09 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 09:56:21 +1000, Daryl
>>>>>>>>>>> <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 25/9/2022 9:22 am, Petzl wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 06:15:56 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7tKXMYzwW4>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TV news about this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just more mindless sales bullshit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> $20 and 20 minutes from Sydney Harbour to Newcastle
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The planes are limited from harbour to harbour
>>>>>>>>>>>>> A hour from Sydney/Botany to Melbourne harbour.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Pure fantasy since they supposed only fly over water, the
>>>>>>>>>>>> route Syd
>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>> Melb over water is considerably longer than over land and
>>>>>>>>>>>> that takes
>>>>>>>>>>>> about an hour.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> They fly at 320 km/h, 10 metres above water
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Not when there are decent waves they dont.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Think it may have possibilities.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe ok for short haul flights or tourist transport, can't
>>>>>>>>>>>> see it
>>>>>>>>>>>> being
>>>>>>>>>>>> of any use on major commuter routes.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Some of the Planes the NZ fleet is buying seats a 100
>>>>>>>>>>> passengers
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Bullshit. And NZ isnt buying any.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> (all economy Qantas seat 180)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Wrong with the Dash 8s and SAAB 340Bs that QantasLink and Rex
>>>>>>>>>> use.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> at 320km/h should be in Melbourne/St Kilda under 2.5 hours.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> No chance and those steaming turds don't have the range for
>>>>>>>>>> that.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Guessing the price but are really cheap (25% the cost)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> compared to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> passenger jets, 4 times quicker than road or 8 times than a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> train.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> See above, not that fast at all if they have to fly over
>>>>>>>>>>>> water.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thought so at first but worked out their speed is around 320
>>>>>>>>>>> km/h?
>>>>>>>>>>> Altitude 10 metres above water.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Not even possible with ocean waves.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Not going to be safe with some waves well in excess of 10mtrs
>>>>>>>>> when you
>>>>>>>>> get near Bass Strait.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bad weather a canceled flight.
>>>>>>>> <https://www.ourcoast.org.au/inundation_report/ch03s02s04.php#:~:text=The%20measured%20significant%20wave%20height,m%20during%20winter%20and%20spring.>
>>>>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/2zw27uf6
>>>>>>>> How big can the waves get in the Bass Strait?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The measured significant wave height reaches 6.4 m, with at least
>>>>>>>> 50%
>>>>>>>> of the waves being between 1 and 2 m. The average significant wave
>>>>>>>> height over all seasons at this location is 1.7 m. Seasonally, the
>>>>>>>> average wave height drops to 1.6 m in summer and autumn and
>>>>>>>> returns to
>>>>>>>> 1.7 m during winter and spring.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What matters is the biggest ones, not the average waves.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The can easily fly 40 metres high if they have to.
>>>>>
>>>>> It would need to be equipped with ground hugging radar like what is
>>>>> fitted to some fighter jets, it would be very difficult to "fly" at a
>>>>> constant 10mtrs above the water at high speed when the surface of the
>>>>> water is constantly moving without some very sophisticated radar
>>>>> controlled auto pilot.
>>>>>
>>>> until NZ puts thm in operayion no one will know what they can or can't
>>>> do
>>>> These aircraft will not come under any Civil Aviation authority.
>>>> They will come under
>>>> https://www.maritimenz.govt.nz
>>>
>>>
>>> That's a tricky question, is it a boat or an aircraft?
>>> NZ might classify it as a boat but elsewhere might classify it as an
>>> aircraft or maybe both and need to be registered as both.
>> No one does it that way with amphibs or flying boats.
>
>
> Don't know about Australia but I've seen videos about amphibious cars in
> the UK that have needed to registered as both a car and a boat.

Never seen that with real cars as opposed to a DUKW
and can't even find any DUKWs with boat regos
https://www.google.com/search?q=DUKW&tbm=isch

> Most likely it would be classified as an aircraft since it supposedly
> "flys" but I don't think that it will matter since I doubt that they
> will ever get past prototype stage if they even get that far.

They have just launched a tiny no pax prototype days
ago but it is far from clear if it actually flow or not.
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1420423718476160

On Tue, 27 Sep 2022 04:11:44 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>> Most likely it would be classified as an aircraft since it supposedly
>> "flys" but I don't think that it will matter since I doubt that they
>> will ever get past prototype stage if they even get that far.
>
>They have just launched a tiny no pax prototype days
>ago but it is far from clear if it actually flow or not.
>https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1420423718476160
>
The "greenies" claiming to be scientists are already against them.
So must be good.
https://tinyurl.com/2hlqhfrj
"Scientists" are concerned electric seagliders will put Aotearoa’s
“spectacular seabirds” in harm's way.
--
Petzl
Labor "Greens" are Termites.
Political and social termites.
I loathe them with a passion.
They typify what is wrong with Australia and the West.

On Tue, 27 Sep 2022 09:17:17 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, 27 Sep 2022 04:11:44 +1000, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> Most likely it would be classified as an aircraft since it supposedly
>>> "flys" but I don't think that it will matter since I doubt that they
>>> will ever get past prototype stage if they even get that far.
>>
>> They have just launched a tiny no pax prototype days
>> ago but it is far from clear if it actually flew or not.
>> https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1420423718476160
>>
> The "greenies" claiming to be scientists are already against them.
> So must be good.

Bullshit. It isnt even clear if it is even useful for short trips
like Sydney Newcastle instead of the current aircraft.

> https://tinyurl.com/2hlqhfrj
> "Scientists" are concerned electric seagliders will put Aotearoa’s
> “spectacular seabirds” in harm's way.

On Tue, 27 Sep 2022 11:40:51 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Tue, 27 Sep 2022 09:17:17 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 27 Sep 2022 04:11:44 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> Most likely it would be classified as an aircraft since it supposedly
>>>> "flys" but I don't think that it will matter since I doubt that they
>>>> will ever get past prototype stage if they even get that far.
>>>
>>> They have just launched a tiny no pax prototype days
>>> ago but it is far from clear if it actually flew or not.
>>> https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1420423718476160
>>>
>> The "greenies" claiming to be scientists are already against them.
>> So must be good.
>
>Bullshit. It isnt even clear if it is even useful for short trips
>like Sydney Newcastle instead of the current aircraft.
>
Distance between Sydney and Griffith is 478 KM / 297.3 miles
30 minutes and $30, to Lake Wyangan from Circular Quay
But might be longer if it has to go through Dubbo this boat only gets
to 50 metres altitude, needs water to take off and land in (might be
able to fit wheels?)
https://en-us.topographic-map.com/maps/d0w0/Griffith/

>> https://tinyurl.com/2hlqhfrj
>> "Scientists" are concerned electric seagliders will put Aotearoa’s
>> “spectacular seabirds” in harm's way.
--
Petzl
Good lawyers know the law
Great lawyers know the judge

On Tue, 27 Sep 2022 13:41:55 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, 27 Sep 2022 11:40:51 +1000, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 27 Sep 2022 09:17:17 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 27 Sep 2022 04:11:44 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Most likely it would be classified as an aircraft since it supposedly
>>>>> "flys" but I don't think that it will matter since I doubt that they
>>>>> will ever get past prototype stage if they even get that far.
>>>>
>>>> They have just launched a tiny no pax prototype days
>>>> ago but it is far from clear if it actually flew or not.
>>>> https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1420423718476160
>>>>
>>> The "greenies" claiming to be scientists are already against them.
>>> So must be good.
>>
>> Bullshit. It isnt even clear if it is even useful for short trips
>> like Sydney Newcastle instead of the current aircraft.

> Distance between Sydney and Griffith is 478 KM / 297.3 miles
> 30 minutes and $30, to Lake Wyangan from Circular Quay

That fare is straight out of your arse, we can tell from the smell.
You can't even pay for the fuel for a very efficient car with that.

That scam can't even do that trip, it relys on being able
to skim water between the two ends of the flight, stupid.

Lake Wyangan isnt big enough for anything even remotely
like a float plane that can carry 35-90 pax like the SAAB
340Bs and the Dash 8s that do that trip carry.

Circular Quay has FAR more boats and ferrys
to be viable for a float plane that big to fly from.

> But might be longer if it has to go through Dubbo this boat only gets
> to 50 metres altitude, needs water to take off and land in

But SKIMS THE SEA ALL THE WAY to take advantage
of the ground effect that doesn't even come close to
the massively greater advantage that the SAAB 340Bs
and the Dash 8s get from flying at high altitude.

> (might be able to fit wheels?)

Nope. And no point in that steaming turd that hasnt
even flown yet, over the SAAB 340Bs and the Dash 8s.
Both have been paid for long ago now too and so are
MUCH cheaper to operate.

And that scam doesnt even have the battery capacity to
do that range anyway.

>>> https://tinyurl.com/2hlqhfrj
>>> "Scientists" are concerned electric seagliders will put Aotearoa’s
>>> “spectacular seabirds” in harm's way.

On Tue, 27 Sep 2022 14:18:08 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Tue, 27 Sep 2022 13:41:55 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 27 Sep 2022 11:40:51 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 27 Sep 2022 09:17:17 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 27 Sep 2022 04:11:44 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Most likely it would be classified as an aircraft since it supposedly
>>>>>> "flys" but I don't think that it will matter since I doubt that they
>>>>>> will ever get past prototype stage if they even get that far.
>>>>>
>>>>> They have just launched a tiny no pax prototype days
>>>>> ago but it is far from clear if it actually flew or not.
>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1420423718476160
>>>>>
>>>> The "greenies" claiming to be scientists are already against them.
>>>> So must be good.
>>>
>>> Bullshit. It isnt even clear if it is even useful for short trips
>>> like Sydney Newcastle instead of the current aircraft.
>
>> Distance between Sydney and Griffith is 478 KM / 297.3 miles
>> 30 minutes and $30, to Lake Wyangan from Circular Quay
>
>That fare is straight out of your arse, we can tell from the smell.
>You can't even pay for the fuel for a very efficient car with that.
>
The fee is profitable at a charge of a dollar a minute.
That the claimed fee in NZ

>That scam can't even do that trip, it relys on being able
>to skim water between the two ends of the flight, stupid.
>
nope the boat Fly's 10 to 50 metre above ground.
The lake has a length of 16KM.
Just uses foils to at first lift the boat which increase the speed for
take off.

>Lake Wyangan isnt big enough for anything even remotely
>like a float plane that can carry 35-90 pax like the SAAB
>340Bs and the Dash 8s that do that trip carry.
>
The lake has a length of 16KM and has boats on it
Just uses foils to at first lift the boat which increase the speed of
take off.

>Circular Quay has FAR more boats and ferrys
>to be viable for a float plane that big to fly from.
>
Sure dedicated lane ways can be worked out, if considered important
enough

>> But might be longer if it has to go through Dubbo this boat only gets
>> to 50 metres altitude, needs water to take off and land in
>
>But SKIMS THE SEA ALL THE WAY to take advantage
>of the ground effect that doesn't even come close to
>the massively greater advantage that the SAAB 340Bs
>and the Dash 8s get from flying at high altitude.
>
The boat does not skim water, it fly's 10 metre minimum 50 metre
maximum

>> (might be able to fit wheels?)
>
>Nope. And no point in that steaming turd that hasnt
>even flown yet, over the SAAB 340Bs and the Dash 8s.
>Both have been paid for long ago now too and so are
>MUCH cheaper to operate.
>
>And that scam doesnt even have the battery capacity to
>do that range anyway.
>
The FAA say it has?
As for new technology, it's arrived.
SAAB 340Bs and the Dash 8s, old news history

>>>> https://tinyurl.com/2hlqhfrj
>>>> "Scientists" are concerned electric seagliders will put Aotearoa’s
>>>> “spectacular seabirds” in harm's way.
--
Petzl
Good lawyers know the law
Great lawyers know the judge

On Tue, 27 Sep 2022 15:08:18 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, 27 Sep 2022 14:18:08 +1000, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 27 Sep 2022 13:41:55 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 27 Sep 2022 11:40:51 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 27 Sep 2022 09:17:17 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 27 Sep 2022 04:11:44 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Most likely it would be classified as an aircraft since it
>>>>>>> supposedly
>>>>>>> "flys" but I don't think that it will matter since I doubt that
>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>> will ever get past prototype stage if they even get that far.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They have just launched a tiny no pax prototype days
>>>>>> ago but it is far from clear if it actually flew or not.
>>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1420423718476160
>>>>>>
>>>>> The "greenies" claiming to be scientists are already against them.
>>>>> So must be good.
>>>>
>>>> Bullshit. It isnt even clear if it is even useful for short trips
>>>> like Sydney Newcastle instead of the current aircraft.
>>
>>> Distance between Sydney and Griffith is 478 KM / 297.3 miles
>>> 30 minutes and $30, to Lake Wyangan from Circular Quay
>>
>> That fare is straight out of your arse, we can tell from the smell.
>> You can't even pay for the fuel for a very efficient car with that.

> The fee is profitable at a charge of a dollar a minute.

It can't cost anything like that, just more scam bullshit.

> That the claimed fee in NZ

Just another stupid scam lie for a plane that can carry 100 pax.

>> That scam can't even do that trip, it relys on being able
>> to skim water between the two ends of the flight, stupid.

> nope

Fraid so.

> the boat Fly's 10 to 50 metre above ground.

Not even possible to do that over other than water.

> The lake has a length of 16KM.

BULLSHIT. There is a fucking road between the two lakes.

> Just uses foils to at first lift the boat which increase the speed for
> take off.

Pity that the lake isnt anything like long enough for that.

>> Lake Wyangan isnt big enough for anything even remotely
>> like a float plane that can carry 35-90 pax like the SAAB
>> 340Bs and the Dash 8s that do that trip carry.

> The lake has a length of 16KM

BULLSHIT. There is a fucking road between the two lakes.

> and has boats on it

So cant be used by that steaming turd/scam.

> Just uses foils to at first lift the boat which increase the speed of
> take off.

Pity that the lake isnt anything like long enough for that.

>> Circular Quay has FAR more boats and ferrys
>> to be viable for a float plane that big to fly from.

> Sure dedicated lane ways can be worked out,

Nope, not with all those fucking ferrys using it.

> if considered important enough

Never will be given that there is a real airport with 3 runways to use.

>>> But might be longer if it has to go through Dubbo this boat only gets
>>> to 50 metres altitude, needs water to take off and land in

>> But SKIMS THE SEA ALL THE WAY to take advantage
>> of the ground effect that doesn't even come close to
>> the massively greater advantage that the SAAB 340Bs
>> and the Dash 8s get from flying at high altitude.

> The boat does not skim water, it fly's 10 metre minimum

That is sea skimming for ground effect, stupid.

> 50 metre maximum

And needs water ALL THE FUCKING WAY.

>>> (might be able to fit wheels?)

>> Nope. And no point in that steaming turd that hasnt
>> even flown yet, over the SAAB 340Bs and the Dash 8s.
>> Both have been paid for long ago now too and so are
>> MUCH cheaper to operate.

>> And that scam doesnt even have the battery capacity to
>> do that range anyway.

> The FAA say it has?

Bullshit it does given that they don't even have a ZERO
pax plane actually flying.

> As for new technology, it's arrived.

Bullshit it has, they don't even have
a ZERO pax plane actually flying.

> SAAB 340Bs and the Dash 8s, old news history

But working fine every fucking day and fully paid for too.

>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/2hlqhfrj
>>>>> "Scientists" are concerned electric seagliders will put Aotearoa’s
>>>>> “spectacular seabirds” in harm's way.

On Tue, 27 Sep 2022 16:15:04 +1000, Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
wrote:

> On Tue, 27 Sep 2022 15:08:18 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 27 Sep 2022 14:18:08 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 27 Sep 2022 13:41:55 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 27 Sep 2022 11:40:51 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 27 Sep 2022 09:17:17 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, 27 Sep 2022 04:11:44 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Most likely it would be classified as an aircraft since it
>>>>>>>> supposedly
>>>>>>>> "flys" but I don't think that it will matter since I doubt that
>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>> will ever get past prototype stage if they even get that far.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They have just launched a tiny no pax prototype days
>>>>>>> ago but it is far from clear if it actually flew or not.
>>>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1420423718476160
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> The "greenies" claiming to be scientists are already against them..
>>>>>> So must be good.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bullshit. It isnt even clear if it is even useful for short trips
>>>>> like Sydney Newcastle instead of the current aircraft.
>>>
>>>> Distance between Sydney and Griffith is 478 KM / 297.3 miles
>>>> 30 minutes and $30, to Lake Wyangan from Circular Quay
>>>
>>> That fare is straight out of your arse, we can tell from the smell.
>>> You can't even pay for the fuel for a very efficient car with that.
>
>> The fee is profitable at a charge of a dollar a minute.
>
> It can't cost anything like that, just more scam bullshit.
>
>> That the claimed fee in NZ
>
> Just another stupid scam lie for a plane that can carry 100 pax.
>
>>> That scam can't even do that trip, it relys on being able
>>> to skim water between the two ends of the flight, stupid.
>
>> nope
>
> Fraid so.
>
>> the boat Fly's 10 to 50 metre above ground.
>
> Not even possible to do that over other than water.
>
>> The lake has a length of 16KM.
>
> BULLSHIT. There is a fucking road between the two lakes.

The actual usable distance is 2.5 KM, nothing even remotely
like enough for that steam turd/scam to get airborne in.

>> Just uses foils to at first lift the boat which increase the speed for
>> take off.
>
> Pity that the lake isnt anything like long enough for that.
>
>>> Lake Wyangan isnt big enough for anything even remotely
>>> like a float plane that can carry 35-90 pax like the SAAB
>>> 340Bs and the Dash 8s that do that trip carry.
>
>> The lake has a length of 16KM
>
> BULLSHIT. There is a fucking road between the two lakes.
>
>> and has boats on it
>
> So cant be used by that steaming turd/scam.
>
>> Just uses foils to at first lift the boat which increase the speed of
>> take off.
>
> Pity that the lake isnt anything like long enough for that.
>
>>> Circular Quay has FAR more boats and ferrys
>>> to be viable for a float plane that big to fly from.
>
>> Sure dedicated lane ways can be worked out,
>
> Nope, not with all those fucking ferrys using it.
>
>> if considered important enough
>
> Never will be given that there is a real airport with 3 runways to use..
>
>>>> But might be longer if it has to go through Dubbo this boat only gets
>>>> to 50 metres altitude, needs water to take off and land in
>
>>> But SKIMS THE SEA ALL THE WAY to take advantage
>>> of the ground effect that doesn't even come close to
>>> the massively greater advantage that the SAAB 340Bs
>>> and the Dash 8s get from flying at high altitude.
>
>> The boat does not skim water, it fly's 10 metre minimum
>
> That is sea skimming for ground effect, stupid.
>
>> 50 metre maximum
>
> And needs water ALL THE FUCKING WAY.
>
>>>> (might be able to fit wheels?)
>
>>> Nope. And no point in that steaming turd that hasnt
>>> even flown yet, over the SAAB 340Bs and the Dash 8s.
>>> Both have been paid for long ago now too and so are
>>> MUCH cheaper to operate.
>
>>> And that scam doesnt even have the battery capacity to
>>> do that range anyway.
>
>> The FAA say it has?
>
> Bullshit it does given that they don't even have a ZERO
> pax plane actually flying.
>
>> As for new technology, it's arrived.
>
> Bullshit it has, they don't even have
> a ZERO pax plane actually flying.
>
>> SAAB 340Bs and the Dash 8s, old news history
>
> But working fine every fucking day and fully paid for too.
>
>>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/2hlqhfrj
>>>>>> "Scientists" are concerned electric seagliders will put Aotearoa’s
>>>>>> “spectacular seabirds” in harm's way.