>>>>>>>> I did this to spread the load over old wood...
>>>>>>>> https://postimg.cc/ZCCHhgDD
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> that's a LOT of coach screws..
>>>>
>>>> They're long roofing screws.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In close proximity to one another...
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It looks like he's done that to find solid wood, but he's probably just
>>>>> weakened the whole thing by using so many. unless it's just fake of course..
>>>>
>>>> How can it be fake?
>>>> Here's some evidence...
>>>> https://www.shutterstock.com/image-photo/galvanized-nail-plate-lying-on-chip-1584930385
>>>> ...and note how close the 'nails' are together. This is routine in
>>>> the bldg industry.
>>>>
>>>
>>> That's not what you are using.
>>
>> You are being argumentative!
>>
>>
>Happens a lot around here. You'll get used to it! ;-)

Isn't it dreadful? Some people will never be told! :-)))

On Wed, 6 Apr 2022 14:35:19 +0800, Clocky <notgonna@happen.com> wrote:

>On 6/04/2022 12:50 pm, Peter Jason wrote:
>> On Wed, 6 Apr 2022 12:08:58 +0800, Clocky <notgonna@happen.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 6/04/2022 9:42 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 6 Apr 2022 10:49:52 +1000, Yosemite Sam <felix@invalid.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 6/04/2022 10:42 am, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>> On 6/04/2022 8:37 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>> On 6/04/2022 9:33 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Eye bolt??
>>>>>>>>>>>> How to intend to repair the broken bracket?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The eye bolt was part of the jig.
>>>>>>>>>> OK.
>>>>>>>>>>> The bracket is not broken. It just pulled its mounting screws out.
>>>>>>>>>> I'll rephrase then, how do you intend to reattach the bracket?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The upper screw didn't break, it completely pulled out, and is pretty
>>>>>>>>> much undamaged. My plan is to drill through to the other side of the
>>>>>>>>> wood, and use a bolt.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The screw that broke later left a considerable amount exposed, and it
>>>>>>>>> was easy to remove.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The spring pulls the bracket downwards, so the upper screw is in
>>>>>>>>> tension, and the lower screw is not. So I'll probably just replace the
>>>>>>>>> lower screw with a longer one to bite into fresh wood.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It is not at all clear to me why this failed. The upper screw gets
>>>>>>>>> unloaded and loaded again each time the door opens, but if anything, I
>>>>>>>>> would expect that to break the screw, not the wood holding it in
>>>>>>>>> place.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sylvia.
>>>>>>>> I did this to spread the load over old wood...
>>>>>>>> https://postimg.cc/ZCCHhgDD
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> that's a LOT of coach screws..
>>>>
>>>> They're long roofing screws.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In close proximity to one another...
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It looks like he's done that to find solid wood, but he's probably just
>>>>> weakened the whole thing by using so many. unless it's just fake of course..
>>>>
>>>> How can it be fake?
>>>> Here's some evidence...
>>>> https://www.shutterstock.com/image-photo/galvanized-nail-plate-lying-on-chip-1584930385
>>>> ...and note how close the 'nails' are together. This is routine in
>>>> the bldg industry.
>>>>
>>>
>>> That's not what you are using.
>>
>> You are being argumentative!
>>
>>
>
>No, those screws you are using are nothing like those joiners used in
>the building industry. What you did is probably fine for your
>application but it likely would have been stronger had you used fewer
>screws.

There must be a code for this sort of thing. But if correct pilot
holes are grilled in the wood and the screws match the perforations
diameter then a there's a secure fix.

On 6/04/2022 3:53 pm, Peter Jason wrote:
> On Wed, 6 Apr 2022 14:35:19 +0800, Clocky <notgonna@happen.com> wrote:
>
>> On 6/04/2022 12:50 pm, Peter Jason wrote:
>>> On Wed, 6 Apr 2022 12:08:58 +0800, Clocky <notgonna@happen.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 6/04/2022 9:42 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 6 Apr 2022 10:49:52 +1000, Yosemite Sam <felix@invalid.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 6/04/2022 10:42 am, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>> On 6/04/2022 8:37 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 6/04/2022 9:33 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eye bolt??
>>>>>>>>>>>>> How to intend to repair the broken bracket?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The eye bolt was part of the jig.
>>>>>>>>>>> OK.
>>>>>>>>>>>> The bracket is not broken. It just pulled its mounting screws out.
>>>>>>>>>>> I'll rephrase then, how do you intend to reattach the bracket?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The upper screw didn't break, it completely pulled out, and is pretty
>>>>>>>>>> much undamaged. My plan is to drill through to the other side of the
>>>>>>>>>> wood, and use a bolt.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The screw that broke later left a considerable amount exposed, and it
>>>>>>>>>> was easy to remove.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The spring pulls the bracket downwards, so the upper screw is in
>>>>>>>>>> tension, and the lower screw is not. So I'll probably just replace the
>>>>>>>>>> lower screw with a longer one to bite into fresh wood.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It is not at all clear to me why this failed. The upper screw gets
>>>>>>>>>> unloaded and loaded again each time the door opens, but if anything, I
>>>>>>>>>> would expect that to break the screw, not the wood holding it in
>>>>>>>>>> place.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sylvia.
>>>>>>>>> I did this to spread the load over old wood...
>>>>>>>>> https://postimg.cc/ZCCHhgDD
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> that's a LOT of coach screws..
>>>>>
>>>>> They're long roofing screws.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In close proximity to one another...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It looks like he's done that to find solid wood, but he's probably just
>>>>>> weakened the whole thing by using so many. unless it's just fake of course..
>>>>>
>>>>> How can it be fake?
>>>>> Here's some evidence...
>>>>> https://www.shutterstock.com/image-photo/galvanized-nail-plate-lying-on-chip-1584930385
>>>>> ...and note how close the 'nails' are together. This is routine in
>>>>> the bldg industry.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That's not what you are using.
>>>
>>> You are being argumentative!
>>>
>>>
>>
>> No, those screws you are using are nothing like those joiners used in
>> the building industry. What you did is probably fine for your
>> application but it likely would have been stronger had you used fewer
>> screws.
>
> There must be a code for this sort of thing. But if correct pilot
> holes are grilled in the wood and the screws match the perforations
> diameter then a there's a secure fix.
>

I'm sure there is a code and I always drill pilot holes into hardwood. I
think you overdid it with the screws but whatever, it's unlikely to
cause any issues.

--
keith on the 7 Oct 2021 wrote;
"He asserts that the claim is true, so, if
it is unproven, he is lying."

On 6/04/2022 10:53 am, Clocky wrote:
> On 6/04/2022 8:46 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 6/04/2022 10:41 am, Clocky wrote:
>>> On 6/04/2022 8:33 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>> On 5/04/2022 11:55 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>>> On 5/04/2022 11:03 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>>>> On 05-Apr-22 10:19 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'll rephrase then, how do you intend to reattach the bracket?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The upper screw didn't break, it completely pulled out, and is
>>>>>> pretty much undamaged. My plan is to drill through to the other
>>>>>> side of the wood, and use a bolt.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The screw that broke later left a considerable amount exposed,
>>>>>> and it was easy to remove.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The spring pulls the bracket downwards, so the upper screw is in
>>>>>> tension, and the lower screw is not. So I'll probably just
>>>>>> replace the lower screw with a longer one to bite into fresh wood.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is not at all clear to me why this failed. The upper screw
>>>>>> gets unloaded and loaded again each time the door opens, but if
>>>>>> anything, I would expect that to break the screw, not the wood
>>>>>> holding it in place.
>>>>>
>>>>> The wood is the Achillies heel. It's weaker than the screw, and
>>>>> it's probably old and has dried out and lost a lot of it's
>>>>> strength. Your bolt idea will probably work, but you should use a
>>>>> decent sized metal plate on the other side of the stud to spread
>>>>> the load. Timber doesn't like being compressed. Particularly old
>>>>> timber that has already demonstrated a willingness to fail as
>>>>> yours has.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> wow. noddy said something that is correct. wonders will never cease..
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> He's stating the obvious I would have thought. Sylvia had already
>>> said she intended to put a bolt through but they must have missed that.
>>>
>>
>> yeah but there should be a metal plate on the other side. otherwise
>> over time the bolt heads will pull into the wood and the bracket will
>> become loose again.
>>
>
>
> Surely that's obvious to everyone?
>

obviously it was not done that way for two reasons, cost and appearance.
no one would want a steel plate with two bolt heads on the outside of
the garage posts of their house. also, notice that that post is very
thick. it would not be practical to do it that way anyway. maybe coach
bolts was the best way to go, but longer ones? also, everything wears
out in time. the home owner should have noticed deterioration of the
assembly and taken remedial action before it got to this stage.

--
https://tinyurl.com/Yosemite-Sam

FUCK PUTIN!!

On 7/4/2022 10:07 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 6/04/2022 10:53 am, Clocky wrote:
>> On 6/04/2022 8:46 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>> On 6/04/2022 10:41 am, Clocky wrote:
>>>> On 6/04/2022 8:33 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>> On 5/04/2022 11:55 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>> On 5/04/2022 11:03 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>>>>> On 05-Apr-22 10:19 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'll rephrase then, how do you intend to reattach the bracket?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The upper screw didn't break, it completely pulled out, and is
>>>>>>> pretty much undamaged. My plan is to drill through to the other
>>>>>>> side of the wood, and use a bolt.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The screw that broke later left a considerable amount exposed,
>>>>>>> and it was easy to remove.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The spring pulls the bracket downwards, so the upper screw is in
>>>>>>> tension, and the lower screw is not. So I'll probably just
>>>>>>> replace the lower screw with a longer one to bite into fresh wood.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It is not at all clear to me why this failed. The upper screw
>>>>>>> gets unloaded and loaded again each time the door opens, but if
>>>>>>> anything, I would expect that to break the screw, not the wood
>>>>>>> holding it in place.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The wood is the Achillies heel. It's weaker than the screw, and
>>>>>> it's probably old and has dried out and lost a lot of it's
>>>>>> strength. Your bolt idea will probably work, but you should use a
>>>>>> decent sized metal plate on the other side of the stud to spread
>>>>>> the load. Timber doesn't like being compressed. Particularly old
>>>>>> timber that has already demonstrated a willingness to fail as
>>>>>> yours has.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> wow. noddy said something that is correct. wonders will never cease..
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> He's stating the obvious I would have thought. Sylvia had already
>>>> said she intended to put a bolt through but they must have missed that.
>>>>
>>>
>>> yeah but there should be a metal plate on the other side. otherwise
>>> over time the bolt heads will pull into the wood and the bracket will
>>> become loose again.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Surely that's obvious to everyone?
>>
>
> obviously it was not done that way for two reasons, cost and appearance.
> no one would want a steel plate with two bolt heads on the outside of
> the garage posts of their house. also, notice that that post is very
> thick. it would not be practical to do it that way anyway. maybe coach
> bolts was the best way to go, but longer ones? also, everything wears

I would have used slightly recessed coach bolts. Drill a recess with a
spade bit that is the head thickness and it even looks OK. A bit deeper
and you can fill over the bolt head. It's no biggie.

> out in time. the home owner should have noticed deterioration of the
> assembly and taken remedial action before it got to this stage.
>
>
I don't like that style of garage door at all. Our neighbour in
Melbourne had one and she was always having issues with it. I prefer
what I have here, a panel lift.

The spring on our door broke last year. I just called the *experts*,
they came and put a temporary joiner on the spring, ordered two new
springs and came back at a later date and installed them. I replaced two
springs because they have both done the same amount of work so I could
expect the other to break at any time if I just replaced one, Murphy's
Law and all that. FWIW, the crew of two had all the tools and expertise
and the cost was, in my estimation, bugger all. Well worth calling them in.

--
Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 7/04/2022 8:07 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 6/04/2022 10:53 am, Clocky wrote:
>> On 6/04/2022 8:46 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>> On 6/04/2022 10:41 am, Clocky wrote:
>>>> On 6/04/2022 8:33 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>> On 5/04/2022 11:55 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>> On 5/04/2022 11:03 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>>>>> On 05-Apr-22 10:19 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'll rephrase then, how do you intend to reattach the bracket?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The upper screw didn't break, it completely pulled out, and is
>>>>>>> pretty much undamaged. My plan is to drill through to the other
>>>>>>> side of the wood, and use a bolt.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The screw that broke later left a considerable amount exposed,
>>>>>>> and it was easy to remove.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The spring pulls the bracket downwards, so the upper screw is in
>>>>>>> tension, and the lower screw is not. So I'll probably just
>>>>>>> replace the lower screw with a longer one to bite into fresh wood.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It is not at all clear to me why this failed. The upper screw
>>>>>>> gets unloaded and loaded again each time the door opens, but if
>>>>>>> anything, I would expect that to break the screw, not the wood
>>>>>>> holding it in place.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The wood is the Achillies heel. It's weaker than the screw, and
>>>>>> it's probably old and has dried out and lost a lot of it's
>>>>>> strength. Your bolt idea will probably work, but you should use a
>>>>>> decent sized metal plate on the other side of the stud to spread
>>>>>> the load. Timber doesn't like being compressed. Particularly old
>>>>>> timber that has already demonstrated a willingness to fail as
>>>>>> yours has.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> wow. noddy said something that is correct. wonders will never cease..
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> He's stating the obvious I would have thought. Sylvia had already
>>>> said she intended to put a bolt through but they must have missed that.
>>>>
>>>
>>> yeah but there should be a metal plate on the other side. otherwise
>>> over time the bolt heads will pull into the wood and the bracket will
>>> become loose again.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Surely that's obvious to everyone?
>>
>
> obviously it was not done that way for two reasons, cost and appearance.
> no one would want a steel plate with two bolt heads on the outside of
> the garage posts of their house. also, notice that that post is very
> thick. it would not be practical to do it that way anyway. maybe coach
> bolts was the best way to go, but longer ones? also, everything wears
> out in time. the home owner should have noticed deterioration of the
> assembly and taken remedial action before it got to this stage.
>
>

I agree.

--
keith on the 7 Oct 2021 wrote;
"He asserts that the claim is true, so, if
it is unproven, he is lying."