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* OT: Solomon Islands ink deal with china...lindsay
+* OT: Solomon Islands ink deal with china...Noddy
|+* OT: Solomon Islands ink deal with china...Xeno
||`* OT: Solomon Islands ink deal with china...Yosemite Sam
|| `* OT: Solomon Islands ink deal with china...Trevor Wilson
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||  | || ||`* OT: Solomon Islands ink deal with china...Trevor Wilson
||  | || || +- OT: Solomon Islands ink deal with china...Noddy
||  | || || `- OT: Solomon Islands ink deal with china...Yosemite Sam
||  | || |+- OT: Solomon Islands ink deal with china...Noddy
||  | || |+* OT: Solomon Islands ink deal with china...Daryl
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|`- OT: Solomon Islands ink deal with china...Clocky
`- OT: Solomon Islands ink deal with china...Peter Jason

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 by: lindsay - Fri, 22 Apr 2022 08:38 UTC

On 22/04/2022 3:21 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:

> it's the 1930's again! militaristic build up until they're ready to
> strike while the rest of the world does little or nothing and remains
> unprepared for what will come

china (lower case) aren't the only country in an arms race. Pumping out
fighting warships faster than anyone. But unproven quality. A single Los
Angeles sub could theoretically sink 20+ targets per patrol...

Don't undersell the "rest of the world" Felix. Putin has, and is now
paying for it. Not saying he'll lose, but if he wins, at what cost to
Russia? Xi Jinping will be watching with great interest, esp as his own
economy is in trouble. Even little old Australia is going as fast as it
can, with new F-35's, 200 x LRASM missiles; Norwegian anti ship missiles
with a range of 900klms; and Tomahawk cruise missiles with a range of
1600klms. Upgrades to the Collins class, etc... (Hobart class need mods,
96 VLS, instead of 48....)

This will give us a long range strike capability thats been missing
since the RAAF F-111 was retired. (sniff)

Then there's 75 new Abram's tanks and 25 assorted combat engineering
vehicles for the Army @ 3.5 billion, 30 new Apache helos, an unknown
amount of Ghost Bat drones... and the list goes on and on... fucked if I
know how we're going to pay for it all, but I think we'll certainly need
it....

Then the US is turning out a new Virginia class sub every 12 months with
2 sub yards working round the clock as I understand. They still have 40
Los Angeles subs in service, and around 20 Virginia class in the water.
And churning out more. I reckon we will lease 4-5 LA class subs for the
RAN from the yanks within 3-5 years, whilst our new Virginia class subs*
are being built whenever. Not sure the chineese have anything like a
MK48 wire guided torpedo. We do.

IMHO, it's only been the last 5-6 years that china has become
belligerent, and just so happens that was the time the last White Paper
from Defence was handed to the Govt.

Obama has a hand in this... Jinping told Obama they will not militarise
the South China Sea. Then they did, and now cant/wont stop. Now
Singapore, Malaysia, Phillipines are all being butt-fucked. The Borg
have stripped the fishing grounds bare, and these countries people are
starving. What does china do? move to another area - The Solomon
Islands. They're next. :-( But it seems they are too stupid to see the
outcome... look at Sri Lanka. Broken by china. The Borg at work....

The 2yo chinavirus has changed the world, and you only need to look at
the bat-eaters reaction to anyone asking where it came from, to see the
answer. That china financially penalised Australia for having the
audacity to attempt to find the outbreak so it could be sorted, and
remedied, is a giveaway.

Fuck 'em.

*it's a guess! All is my opinion only. But seems to be a common one.

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 by: lindsay - Fri, 22 Apr 2022 08:50 UTC

On 22/04/2022 6:15 pm, Xeno wrote:

> China has been watching the world's responses on issues such as the war
> in Ukraine.

No shit, sherlock?

I've been following the China situation quite closely of
> late and what I've seen developing is scary stuff. It also helps having
> a friend or two on the ground over there for some insight.

How surprising. Aus.cars very own Foreign Minister has appeared complete
with "a friend or two on the ground...."

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 by: Noddy - Fri, 22 Apr 2022 08:54 UTC

On 22/04/2022 6:32 pm, Daryl wrote:
> On 22/4/2022 12:34 pm, Noddy wrote:

>>> The Solomon Islands government is corrupt to the core and it is
>>> unlikely anyone could do much, short of shovelling lots of money into
>>> the pockets of MPs (like China did).
>>
>> Right, and while the massively corrupt Chinese government can do that
>> and not think twice about it, it is *highly* unlikely that we ever
>> could and get away with it no matter how beneficial it might have been
>> to our own country. This is precisely the point I was making earlier
>> when I spoke about the Chinese waving more money under the noses of
>> Solomon pollies than we ever could.
>
> Imagine the shit storm from Labor if a Coalition Govt "bribed" the
> Solomon Islands politicians.
> China's ability and willingness to resort to such corruption is way
> beyond anything Australia could afford financially or politically, our
> GDP is approx 1307$US Billion, China's is about 17$US Trillion, to China
> a couple of billion is small change.

This is the thing. We can't compete against China in any financial sense
and they know that. They're also well aware that, unlike their own
government, ours is answerable to the people. They know full well that
our government could never risk the kind of behaviour that they're happy
to engage in being made public as the fallout would be catastrophic nd
most likely result in the fall of the government.

There is also no doubt in my mind that this new "partnership", which has
been discussed for some time, was deliberately pushed to a rapid
conclusion so as to cause as much damage to Morrison in the polls as
possible as the Chinese hate the bloke for calling for an investigation
into the origins of the Covid-19 virus.

In my opinion the Chinese can go fuck themselves, and so can anyone who
sides with them. If the Solomon Islands or any other Pacific nation
wants to buddy up with the Chinese then good on them, but lets hope for
their sake that they never have to call on this country for help ever
again because if I was in charge they'd be getting told to fuck off and
ask their Chinese buddies.

The sooner the rest of the world shifts it's manufacturing base from
China to India the better off we'll all be.

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Noddy.

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 by: Noddy - Fri, 22 Apr 2022 09:04 UTC

On 22/04/2022 6:38 pm, lindsay wrote:
> On 22/04/2022 3:21 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>
>> it's the 1930's again! militaristic build up until they're ready to
>> strike while the rest of the world does little or nothing and remains
>> unprepared for what will come
>
>
> china (lower case) aren't the only country in an arms race. Pumping out
> fighting warships faster than anyone. But unproven quality. A single Los
> Angeles sub could theoretically sink 20+ targets per patrol...

Indeed, and I hope that happens.

> Don't undersell the "rest of the world" Felix. Putin has, and is now
> paying for it. Not saying he'll lose, but if he wins, at what cost to
> Russia?

Putin's plans for control of Ukraine have backfired massively, as all
he's managed to show the world is how inneffective and uncoordinated the
Russian military really is.

It's actually been profoundly embarrassing....

> Xi Jinping will be watching with great interest, esp as his own
> economy is in trouble. Even little old Australia is going as fast as it
> can, with new F-35's, 200 x LRASM missiles; Norwegian anti ship missiles
> with a range of 900klms; and Tomahawk cruise missiles with a range of
> 1600klms. Upgrades to the Collins class, etc... (Hobart class need mods,
> 96 VLS, instead of 48....)
>
> This will give us a long range strike capability thats been missing
> since the RAAF F-111 was retired. (sniff)

It will, but we're some way from being there yet. What we need to hope
is that the Chinese don't launch an invasion next week, as if they do
we'll be rooted.

> Then there's 75 new Abram's tanks and 25 assorted combat engineering
> vehicles for the Army @ 3.5 billion, 30 new Apache helos, an unknown
> amount of Ghost Bat drones... and the list goes on and on... fucked if I
> know how we're going to pay for it all, but I think we'll certainly need
> it....

We do indeed. And the Greens want to cut defence spending to 1.5% of the
GDP :)

> Then the US is turning out a new Virginia class sub every 12 months with
> 2 sub yards working round the clock as I understand. They still have 40
> Los Angeles subs in service, and around 20 Virginia class in the water.
> And churning out more. I reckon we will lease 4-5 LA class subs for the
> RAN from the yanks within 3-5 years, whilst our new Virginia class subs*
> are being built whenever. Not sure the chineese have anything like a
> MK48 wire guided torpedo. We do.

Most of their hardware is based on Russian stuff which is pretty
antiquated and incredibly noisy. Not that I hope we'll ever find out,
but if push comes to shove I suspect the Chinese military will be a lot
like the Russian military in that it looks *way* more fearsome on paper
than what it proves to be in practice.

> IMHO, it's only been the last 5-6 years that china has become
> belligerent, and just so happens that was the time the last White Paper
> from Defence was handed to the Govt.
>
> Obama has a hand in this... Jinping told Obama they will not militarise
> the South China Sea. Then they did, and now cant/wont stop. Now
> Singapore, Malaysia, Phillipines are all being butt-fucked. The Borg
> have stripped the fishing grounds bare, and these countries people are
> starving. What does china do? move to another area - The Solomon
> Islands.  They're next. :-( But it seems they are too stupid to see the
> outcome... look at Sri Lanka. Broken by china. The Borg at work....

Yep.

> The 2yo chinavirus has changed the world, and you only need to look at
> the bat-eaters reaction to anyone asking where it came from, to see the
> answer. That china financially penalised Australia for having the
> audacity to attempt to find the outbreak so it could be sorted, and
> remedied, is a giveaway.
>
> Fuck 'em.

I'm with ya. Fuck the Chinese. I hope they get what they deserve.

> *it's a guess!  All is my opinion only. But seems to be a common one.

Sounds on the money to me.

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 by: Noddy - Fri, 22 Apr 2022 09:11 UTC

On 22/04/2022 6:50 pm, lindsay wrote:
> On 22/04/2022 6:15 pm, Xeno wrote:
>
>> China has been watching the world's responses on issues such as the
>> war in Ukraine.
>
> No shit, sherlock?

Brilliant, isn't he? Ray Charles could have seen that...

> I've been following the China situation quite closely of
>> late and what I've seen developing is scary stuff. It also helps
>> having a friend or two on the ground over there for some insight.
>
> How surprising. Aus.cars very own Foreign Minister has appeared complete
> with "a friend or two on the ground...."

ROTFL :)

For a bloke who is seen by so many around here as nothing but an
attention seeking moron that you wouldn't piss on if he was on fire,
it's quite bizarre that he has so many "real life" friends, and also
quite amazingly coincidental that they just happen to be connected to
whatever subject is being randomly discussed.

I imagine his loyal lapdogs Jerky Birko and Felix Spazpekcer must
secretly cringe at the number of "friends" he has :)

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Regards,
Noddy.

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 by: Xeno - Fri, 22 Apr 2022 09:58 UTC

On 22/4/2022 7:11 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 22/04/2022 6:50 pm, lindsay wrote:
>> On 22/04/2022 6:15 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>
>>> China has been watching the world's responses on issues such as the
>>> war in Ukraine.
>>
>> No shit, sherlock?
>
> Brilliant, isn't he? Ray Charles could have seen that...
>
>> I've been following the China situation quite closely of
>>> late and what I've seen developing is scary stuff. It also helps
>>> having a friend or two on the ground over there for some insight.
>>
>> How surprising. Aus.cars very own Foreign Minister has appeared
>> complete with "a friend or two on the ground...."
>
> ROTFL :)
>
> For a bloke who is seen by so many around here as nothing but an
> attention seeking moron that you wouldn't piss on if he was on fire,

An attention seeking moron is the person who *invents* a complete career
in the automotive industry including *fraudulent* trade qualification.
There's an attention seeker in aus cars and, Darren, it's you!

> it's quite bizarre that he has so many "real life" friends, and also
> quite amazingly coincidental that they just happen to be connected to
> whatever subject is being randomly discussed.

I just sent one mate in China an email. He's on LinkedIn, name of Garry,
and, if you look me up on LinkedIn you will see I am linked to him. He
has been helping his wife run her language school for the past two years
since the start of Covid and hopes to get back into his preferred field,
electrical, in Shanghai soon. Given what's currently going on in
Shanghai, I can't see him returning there any time soon. And I told him
that in the email.
>
> I imagine his loyal lapdogs Jerky Birko and Felix Spazpekcer must
> secretly cringe at the number of "friends" he has :)

Mine are real and verifiable Darren. Asanka, for instance, is still in
Vietnam, want to ring him? On the other hand, *everything* about you is
fake.

--
Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

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 by: Yosemite Sam - Fri, 22 Apr 2022 13:29 UTC

On 22/04/2022 7:58 pm, Xeno wrote:
> On 22/4/2022 7:11 pm, Noddy wrote:
>> On 22/04/2022 6:50 pm, lindsay wrote:
>>> On 22/04/2022 6:15 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>>
>>>> China has been watching the world's responses on issues such as the
>>>> war in Ukraine.
>>>
>>> No shit, sherlock?
>>
>> Brilliant, isn't he? Ray Charles could have seen that...
>>
>>> I've been following the China situation quite closely of
>>>> late and what I've seen developing is scary stuff. It also helps
>>>> having a friend or two on the ground over there for some insight.
>>>
>>> How surprising. Aus.cars very own Foreign Minister has appeared
>>> complete with "a friend or two on the ground...."
>>
>> ROTFL :)
>>
>> For a bloke who is seen by so many around here as nothing but an
>> attention seeking moron that you wouldn't piss on if he was on fire,
>
> An attention seeking moron is the person who *invents* a complete
> career in the automotive industry including *fraudulent* trade
> qualification. There's an attention seeker in aus cars and, Darren,
> it's you!
>
>> it's quite bizarre that he has so many "real life" friends, and also
>> quite amazingly coincidental that they just happen to be connected to
>> whatever subject is being randomly discussed.
>
> I just sent one mate in China an email. He's on LinkedIn, name of
> Garry, and, if you look me up on LinkedIn you will see I am linked to
> him. He has been helping his wife run her language school for the past
> two years since the start of Covid and hopes to get back into his
> preferred field, electrical, in Shanghai soon. Given what's currently
> going on in Shanghai, I can't see him returning there any time soon.
> And I told him that in the email.
>>
>> I imagine his loyal lapdogs Jerky Birko and Felix Spazpekcer must
>> secretly cringe at the number of "friends" he has :)
>
> Mine are real and verifiable Darren. Asanka, for instance, is still in
> Vietnam, want to ring him? On the other hand, *everything* about you
> is fake.
>
>

the lying arsehole doesn't have any real (genuine) friends, that's why
he's jealous of ppl like you and me who do. after all, who would want to
be friends with him? of course he has deryl but he has to keep butt
kissing on a daily basis.

--
https://tinyurl.com/Yosemite-Sam

FUCK PUTIN!!

"His opinions have been crushed into insignificant dust by
the enormous weight of his lies"- Alvey on the Fraudster
"my own words are irrelevant"- noddy 5/08/2017 4:12 PM

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 by: Trevor Wilson - Fri, 22 Apr 2022 21:16 UTC

On 22/04/2022 6:36 pm, Daryl wrote:
> On 22/4/2022 1:43 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> On 22/04/2022 12:34 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>> On 22/04/2022 11:23 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>> On 22/04/2022 10:34 am, Noddy wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> **The discussion was about the REGION. The Solomon Islands went to
>>>>>> China, because China bribed the political party in charge. Simple
>>>>>> as that.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's right, so how is that Morrison's fault exactly?
>>>>
>>>> **The discussion was about the REGION. The REGION is the fault of
>>>> the COALition.
>>>
>>> Utter bullshit.
>>>
>>> In what capacity do you think the Australian government, of any
>>> flavour, has any authority in the Pacific region *other* than within
>>> the borders of our own country and territories?
>>
>> **In two (maybe three) ways:
>>
>> * Abbott dramatically cut aid to Pacific nations. That aid has not
>> been restored. Therefore, Scummo is responsible.
>> * Australia acts criminally WRT global warming. Many Pacific nations
>> are uniquely sensitive to global warming and blame Australia for not
>> acting.
>
> So how ironic is it that they choose to partner with the biggest
> polluters on the planet:-)

**Wrong. Here are the biggest CO2 emitters on the planet:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_carbon_dioxide_emissions

Examine the PER CAPITA emissions. China is well down the list. Australia
is near the top.

Looking at things WRT how much damage has already been done:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_carbon_dioxide_emissions#/media/File:20211026_Cumulative_carbon_dioxide_CO2_emissions_by_country_-_bar_chart.svg

You'll note that the US is, far and away, responsible for most of the
CO2 in the atmosphere right now. On a per capita level, the US is WAY,
WAY ahead of China and will remain so for decades to come.

>
>> * The COALition has told the Pacific nations that Australia doesn't
>> give a shit about their problems WRT sea level rise (which is an
>> inevitable result of global warming).
>>
>
> And anyone with a brain bigger than a peanut thinks China does, FFS.
> It has SFA to do with climate change and all about greedy politicians
> lining their own pockets.

**In the case of the Solomon Islands, certainly. In the case of other
Pacific nations, perhaps not. I don't know and you sure don't.

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 by: Trevor Wilson - Fri, 22 Apr 2022 22:15 UTC

On 22/04/2022 3:12 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 22/04/2022 1:43 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> On 22/04/2022 12:34 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>> On 22/04/2022 11:23 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>> On 22/04/2022 10:34 am, Noddy wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> **The discussion was about the REGION. The Solomon Islands went to
>>>>>> China, because China bribed the political party in charge. Simple
>>>>>> as that.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's right, so how is that Morrison's fault exactly?
>>>>
>>>> **The discussion was about the REGION. The REGION is the fault of
>>>> the COALition.
>>>
>>> Utter bullshit.
>>>
>>> In what capacity do you think the Australian government, of any
>>> flavour, has any authority in the Pacific region *other* than within
>>> the borders of our own country and territories?
>>
>> **In two (maybe three) ways:
>>
>> * Abbott dramatically cut aid to Pacific nations. That aid has not
>> been restored. Therefore, Scummo is responsible.
>> * Australia acts criminally WRT global warming. Many Pacific nations
>> are uniquely sensitive to global warming and blame Australia for not
>> acting.
>> * The COALition has told the Pacific nations that Australia doesn't
>> give a shit about their problems WRT sea level rise (which is an
>> inevitable result of global warming).
>>
>>  The focus of this issue specifically
>>> is about the "deal" between the Chinese and Solomon Island
>>> governments, and how Morrison is bizarrely seen by some of the
>>> extreme fringe element to be responsible for that.
>>
>> **I responded SOLELY to the comment about Australia's influence on the
>> REGION. The REGION is far more than just the Solomon Islands.
>>
>>>
>>> It's fanciful, as you seem to be pointing out here with your comments
>>> in this paragraph below ↓↓↓↓
>>>
>>>> The Solomon Islands government is corrupt to the core and it is
>>>> unlikely anyone could do much, short of shovelling lots of money
>>>> into the pockets of MPs (like China did).
>>>
>>> Right, and while the massively corrupt Chinese government can do that
>>> and not think twice about it, it is *highly* unlikely that we ever
>>> could and get away with it no matter how beneficial it might have
>>> been to our own country. This is precisely the point I was making
>>> earlier when I spoke about the Chinese waving more money under the
>>> noses of Solomon pollies than we ever could.
>>>
>>> The difference between us and China is that *our* government is
>>> heavily scrutinised by it's own media and people.
>>>
>>>>> "REGION" has not been what this discussion has been about in the
>>>>> media. In some circles, the "blame" for the China/Solomons deal has
>>>>> been laid squarely at Morrison's feet and it has nothing whatsoever
>>>>> to do with him.
>>>>
>>>> **The failures to deal properly with the REGION is the fault of the
>>>> COALition. Scummo is presently in charge and must accept blame.
>>>
>>> More utter nonsense :)
>>
>> **Nope. Fact:
>>
>> https://www.lowyinstitute.org/issues/australian-foreign-aid
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Dealing with the "region" is above the pay grade of any Australian
>>> government Trevor.
>>
>> **And yet, we have done so in the past. Right up until Abbott
>> decimated aid to Pacific nations (a tradition that Scummo has
>> enthusiastically embraced). Of course they will look elsewhere.
>
>
> yet the graph clearly show massive decline in foreign aid under the
> Hawke/Keating govt (83-95) until it was increased during the Howard years.

**Cut by Abbott and remained cut under Scummo. Of course, the COALition
has had to pay for those billions of Dollars paid to their buddies for
dodgy schemes to fix the Great Barrier Reef, non-existent car parks and
sports rorts.

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On Wed, 20 Apr 2022 20:32:17 +1000, lindsay
<nope@nunnya.business.com.au> wrote:

>
>Hands up who couldn't see this happening....

Softly, softly catchee monkey....

The Islanders live on aid, and the current situation is the Cargo Cult
Messiah.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cargo_cult

And their tourist trade now must be decimated by the Covid situation.

Now the Ozites will feel the pain of Czar Putin who fears the
encroaching West with its populism and its wasteful endless useless
consumption.

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 by: Noddy - Fri, 22 Apr 2022 23:14 UTC

On 23/04/2022 7:16 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> On 22/04/2022 6:36 pm, Daryl wrote:

>>> * Abbott dramatically cut aid to Pacific nations. That aid has not
>>> been restored. Therefore, Scummo is responsible.
>>> * Australia acts criminally WRT global warming. Many Pacific nations
>>> are uniquely sensitive to global warming and blame Australia for not
>>> acting.
>>
>> So how ironic is it that they choose to partner with the biggest
>> polluters on the planet:-)
>
> **Wrong. Here are the biggest CO2 emitters on the planet:
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_carbon_dioxide_emissions
>
> Examine the PER CAPITA emissions. China is well down the list. Australia
> is near the top.

ROTFL :)

I have no idea why you persist with arguments like this, as they are
utterly nonsensical. As far as environmental damage is concerned the
planet couldn't give two lumps of steaming elephant shit about "per
capita" results as all that matters is the *total*, and when it comes to
total output China is the worst offender in the world.

*In_the_world* Trevor.

>>> * The COALition has told the Pacific nations that Australia doesn't
>>> give a shit about their problems WRT sea level rise (which is an
>>> inevitable result of global warming).
>>>
>>
>> And anyone with a brain bigger than a peanut thinks China does, FFS.
>> It has SFA to do with climate change and all about greedy politicians
>> lining their own pockets.
>
> **In the case of the Solomon Islands, certainly. In the case of other
> Pacific nations, perhaps not. I don't know and you sure don't.

We'll soon see.

--
--
--
Regards,
Noddy.

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 by: Noddy - Fri, 22 Apr 2022 23:15 UTC

On 23/04/2022 8:15 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> On 22/04/2022 3:12 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:

>>> **And yet, we have done so in the past. Right up until Abbott
>>> decimated aid to Pacific nations (a tradition that Scummo has
>>> enthusiastically embraced). Of course they will look elsewhere.
>>
>>
>> yet the graph clearly show massive decline in foreign aid under the
>> Hawke/Keating govt (83-95) until it was increased during the Howard
>> years.
>
> **Cut by Abbott and remained cut under Scummo. Of course, the COALition
> has had to pay for those billions of Dollars paid to their buddies for
> dodgy schemes to fix the Great Barrier Reef, non-existent car parks and
> sports rorts.

So what's your basic argument here, Trev? Do you think we should keep
handing out free money to island nations around us just because?

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 by: Daryl - Fri, 22 Apr 2022 23:49 UTC

On 23/4/2022 7:16 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> On 22/04/2022 6:36 pm, Daryl wrote:
>> On 22/4/2022 1:43 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>> On 22/04/2022 12:34 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>> On 22/04/2022 11:23 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>> On 22/04/2022 10:34 am, Noddy wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>> **The discussion was about the REGION. The Solomon Islands went
>>>>>>> to China, because China bribed the political party in charge.
>>>>>>> Simple as that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's right, so how is that Morrison's fault exactly?
>>>>>
>>>>> **The discussion was about the REGION. The REGION is the fault of
>>>>> the COALition.
>>>>
>>>> Utter bullshit.
>>>>
>>>> In what capacity do you think the Australian government, of any
>>>> flavour, has any authority in the Pacific region *other* than within
>>>> the borders of our own country and territories?
>>>
>>> **In two (maybe three) ways:
>>>
>>> * Abbott dramatically cut aid to Pacific nations. That aid has not
>>> been restored. Therefore, Scummo is responsible.
>>> * Australia acts criminally WRT global warming. Many Pacific nations
>>> are uniquely sensitive to global warming and blame Australia for not
>>> acting.
>>
>> So how ironic is it that they choose to partner with the biggest
>> polluters on the planet:-)
>
> **Wrong. Here are the biggest CO2 emitters on the planet:
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_carbon_dioxide_emissions
>
> Examine the PER CAPITA emissions. China is well down the list. Australia
> is near the top.

ROTFL, who gives a fuck about per capita, total emissions is what matters.
https://www.csiro.au/en/research/environmental-impacts/climate-change/climate-change-qa/sources-of-ghg-gases#:~:text=Australian%20emissions,the%20National%20Greenhouse%20Gas%20Inventory.
Read the top line, Australia contributes just over 1% of the worlds
"global emissions" so 4/5ths of fuck all.
Sure Australia can do better and anyone who observes their own
environment can easily see that over the years our air is becoming cleaner.
Regulations that control emissions from vehicles and industry get more
strict all the time, you can actually see it with your own eyes if you
bother to look.

>
> Looking at things WRT how much damage has already been done:
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_carbon_dioxide_emissions#/media/File:20211026_Cumulative_carbon_dioxide_CO2_emissions_by_country_-_bar_chart.svg
>
>
> You'll note that the US is, far and away, responsible for most of the
> CO2 in the atmosphere right now. On a per capita level, the US is WAY,
> WAY ahead of China and will remain so for decades to come.
>

See above and its not just about C02.
I've not been to China but a mate used to travel there frequently for
business and he has said times that the way they do things is simply not
allowed here.
For example he asked where the gravel for a major road came from and he
was told that they just dig up a river bed with zero regard for the
environmental damage that they cause, if any locals object they are
likely to found face down in the same river with a bullet to the back of
their heads.
China's overall damage to the environment makes anything we have done
past present or future look very minuscule, its also possible that India
is even worse than China.

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 by: Daryl - Fri, 22 Apr 2022 23:55 UTC

On 22/4/2022 6:38 pm, lindsay wrote:
> On 22/04/2022 3:21 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>
>> it's the 1930's again! militaristic build up until they're ready to
>> strike while the rest of the world does little or nothing and remains
>> unprepared for what will come
>
>
> china (lower case) aren't the only country in an arms race. Pumping out
> fighting warships faster than anyone. But unproven quality. A single Los
> Angeles sub could theoretically sink 20+ targets per patrol...
>
> Don't undersell the "rest of the world" Felix. Putin has, and is now
> paying for it. Not saying he'll lose, but if he wins, at what cost to
> Russia? Xi Jinping will be watching with great interest, esp as his own
> economy is in trouble. Even little old Australia is going as fast as it
> can, with new F-35's, 200 x LRASM missiles; Norwegian anti ship missiles
> with a range of 900klms; and Tomahawk cruise missiles with a range of
> 1600klms. Upgrades to the Collins class, etc... (Hobart class need mods,
> 96 VLS, instead of 48....)
>
> This will give us a long range strike capability thats been missing
> since the RAAF F-111 was retired. (sniff)

You should go visit Keith, they have an F111 in the museum he volunteers
at on the Sunshine Coast:-)

>
> Then there's 75 new Abram's tanks and 25 assorted combat engineering
> vehicles for the Army @ 3.5 billion, 30 new Apache helos, an unknown
> amount of Ghost Bat drones... and the list goes on and on... fucked if I
> know how we're going to pay for it all, but I think we'll certainly need
> it....
>
> Then the US is turning out a new Virginia class sub every 12 months with
> 2 sub yards working round the clock as I understand. They still have 40
> Los Angeles subs in service, and around 20 Virginia class in the water.
> And churning out more. I reckon we will lease 4-5 LA class subs for the
> RAN from the yanks within 3-5 years, whilst our new Virginia class subs*
> are being built whenever. Not sure the chineese have anything like a
> MK48 wire guided torpedo. We do.
>
> IMHO, it's only been the last 5-6 years that china has become
> belligerent, and just so happens that was the time the last White Paper
> from Defence was handed to the Govt.
>
> Obama has a hand in this... Jinping told Obama they will not militarise
> the South China Sea. Then they did, and now cant/wont stop. Now
> Singapore, Malaysia, Phillipines are all being butt-fucked. The Borg
> have stripped the fishing grounds bare, and these countries people are
> starving. What does china do? move to another area - The Solomon
> Islands.  They're next. :-( But it seems they are too stupid to see the
> outcome... look at Sri Lanka. Broken by china. The Borg at work....

I like the Borg analogy, very appropriate.
"you will be assimilated"

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Daryl

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 by: Daryl - Sat, 23 Apr 2022 00:03 UTC

On 22/4/2022 6:54 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 22/04/2022 6:32 pm, Daryl wrote:
>> On 22/4/2022 12:34 pm, Noddy wrote:
>
>>>> The Solomon Islands government is corrupt to the core and it is
>>>> unlikely anyone could do much, short of shovelling lots of money
>>>> into the pockets of MPs (like China did).
>>>
>>> Right, and while the massively corrupt Chinese government can do that
>>> and not think twice about it, it is *highly* unlikely that we ever
>>> could and get away with it no matter how beneficial it might have
>>> been to our own country. This is precisely the point I was making
>>> earlier when I spoke about the Chinese waving more money under the
>>> noses of Solomon pollies than we ever could.
>>
>> Imagine the shit storm from Labor if a Coalition Govt "bribed" the
>> Solomon Islands politicians.
>> China's ability and willingness to resort to such corruption is way
>> beyond anything Australia could afford financially or politically, our
>> GDP is approx 1307$US Billion, China's is about 17$US Trillion, to
>> China a couple of billion is small change.
>
> This is the thing. We can't compete against China in any financial sense
> and they know that. They're also well aware that, unlike their own
> government, ours is answerable to the people. They know full well that
> our government could never risk the kind of behaviour that they're happy
> to engage in being made public as the fallout would be catastrophic nd
> most likely result in the fall of the government.
>
> There is also no doubt in my mind that this new "partnership", which has
> been discussed for some time, was deliberately pushed to a rapid
> conclusion so as to cause as much damage to Morrison in the polls as
> possible as the Chinese hate the bloke for calling for an investigation
> into the origins of the Covid-19 virus.
>
> In my opinion the Chinese can go fuck themselves, and so can anyone who
> sides with them. If the Solomon Islands or any other Pacific nation
> wants to buddy up with the Chinese then good on them, but lets hope for
> their sake that they never have to call on this country for help ever
> again because if I was in charge they'd be getting told to fuck off and
> ask their Chinese buddies.
>
> The sooner the rest of the world shifts it's manufacturing base from
> China to India the better off we'll all be.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Agree, when I buy anything I often look at the label and if its made in
China I look for an alternative, trouble is is that very often there
isn't one.

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 by: Yosemite Sam - Sat, 23 Apr 2022 00:29 UTC

On 23/04/2022 8:15 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> On 22/04/2022 3:12 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 22/04/2022 1:43 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>> On 22/04/2022 12:34 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>> On 22/04/2022 11:23 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>> On 22/04/2022 10:34 am, Noddy wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>> **The discussion was about the REGION. The Solomon Islands went
>>>>>>> to China, because China bribed the political party in charge.
>>>>>>> Simple as that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's right, so how is that Morrison's fault exactly?
>>>>>
>>>>> **The discussion was about the REGION. The REGION is the fault of
>>>>> the COALition.
>>>>
>>>> Utter bullshit.
>>>>
>>>> In what capacity do you think the Australian government, of any
>>>> flavour, has any authority in the Pacific region *other* than
>>>> within the borders of our own country and territories?
>>>
>>> **In two (maybe three) ways:
>>>
>>> * Abbott dramatically cut aid to Pacific nations. That aid has not
>>> been restored. Therefore, Scummo is responsible.
>>> * Australia acts criminally WRT global warming. Many Pacific nations
>>> are uniquely sensitive to global warming and blame Australia for not
>>> acting.
>>> * The COALition has told the Pacific nations that Australia doesn't
>>> give a shit about their problems WRT sea level rise (which is an
>>> inevitable result of global warming).
>>>
>>>  The focus of this issue specifically
>>>> is about the "deal" between the Chinese and Solomon Island
>>>> governments, and how Morrison is bizarrely seen by some of the
>>>> extreme fringe element to be responsible for that.
>>>
>>> **I responded SOLELY to the comment about Australia's influence on
>>> the REGION. The REGION is far more than just the Solomon Islands.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> It's fanciful, as you seem to be pointing out here with your
>>>> comments in this paragraph below ↓↓↓↓
>>>>
>>>>> The Solomon Islands government is corrupt to the core and it is
>>>>> unlikely anyone could do much, short of shovelling lots of money
>>>>> into the pockets of MPs (like China did).
>>>>
>>>> Right, and while the massively corrupt Chinese government can do
>>>> that and not think twice about it, it is *highly* unlikely that we
>>>> ever could and get away with it no matter how beneficial it might
>>>> have been to our own country. This is precisely the point I was
>>>> making earlier when I spoke about the Chinese waving more money
>>>> under the noses of Solomon pollies than we ever could.
>>>>
>>>> The difference between us and China is that *our* government is
>>>> heavily scrutinised by it's own media and people.
>>>>
>>>>>> "REGION" has not been what this discussion has been about in the
>>>>>> media. In some circles, the "blame" for the China/Solomons deal
>>>>>> has been laid squarely at Morrison's feet and it has nothing
>>>>>> whatsoever to do with him.
>>>>>
>>>>> **The failures to deal properly with the REGION is the fault of
>>>>> the COALition. Scummo is presently in charge and must accept blame.
>>>>
>>>> More utter nonsense :)
>>>
>>> **Nope. Fact:
>>>
>>> https://www.lowyinstitute.org/issues/australian-foreign-aid
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dealing with the "region" is above the pay grade of any Australian
>>>> government Trevor.
>>>
>>> **And yet, we have done so in the past. Right up until Abbott
>>> decimated aid to Pacific nations (a tradition that Scummo has
>>> enthusiastically embraced). Of course they will look elsewhere.
>>
>>
>> yet the graph clearly show massive decline in foreign aid under the
>> Hawke/Keating govt (83-95) until it was increased during the Howard
>> years.
>
> **Cut by Abbott and remained cut under Scummo. Of course, the
> COALition has had to pay for those billions of Dollars paid to their
> buddies for dodgy schemes to fix the Great Barrier Reef, non-existent
> car parks and sports rorts.
>
>

"Of course, the COALition has had to pay for those billions of Dollars
paid to workers and businesses during the pandemic". fixed it for you. :)

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On 23/04/2022 10:03 am, Daryl wrote:
> On 22/4/2022 6:54 pm, Noddy wrote:

>> In my opinion the Chinese can go fuck themselves, and so can anyone
>> who sides with them. If the Solomon Islands or any other Pacific
>> nation wants to buddy up with the Chinese then good on them, but lets
>> hope for their sake that they never have to call on this country for
>> help ever again because if I was in charge they'd be getting told to
>> fuck off and ask their Chinese buddies.
>>
>> The sooner the rest of the world shifts it's manufacturing base from
>> China to India the better off we'll all be.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
> Agree, when I buy anything I often look at the label and if its made in
> China I look for an alternative, trouble is is that very often there
> isn't one.

That's the problem, isn't it?

We've allowed ourselves to be bought with the promise of cheap consumer
goods, and got *so* used to the idea of paying dirt prices for stuff
that we've let out own manufacturing base evaporate and become slaves to
the Chinese monster. There is no escaping it with virtually everything
we buy being reliant on Chinese made components, and there is no going
back to making it ourselves. Not unless you like the idea of paying 5
thousand bucks for a TV set that would sell for under a grand when it's
made in China.

We have no hope of ever fixing this ourselves. All we can hope is
somewhere like India gets its shit together to set up a manufacturing
base to rival China and the multinationals who have been exploiting the
cheap labour base in China up till now move their operations to India so
we can continue to enjoy life as we know it without being held to ransom
by a country with the world's worst cunt attitude towards the people it
deals with.

I don't expect it will happen in my lifetime, but China has certainly
pissed off enough of the rest of the world for the incentive to be
there, and if it *does* eventually happen then they will learn a
frightful lesson that they will never forget.

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 by: Noddy - Sat, 23 Apr 2022 02:27 UTC

On 23/04/2022 9:49 am, Daryl wrote:
> On 23/4/2022 7:16 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:

>>> So how ironic is it that they choose to partner with the biggest
>>> polluters on the planet:-)
>>
>> **Wrong. Here are the biggest CO2 emitters on the planet:
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_carbon_dioxide_emissions
>>
>>
>> Examine the PER CAPITA emissions. China is well down the list.
>> Australia is near the top.
>
> ROTFL, who gives a fuck about per capita, total emissions is what matters.
> https://www.csiro.au/en/research/environmental-impacts/climate-change/climate-change-qa/sources-of-ghg-gases#:~:text=Australian%20emissions,the%20National%20Greenhouse%20Gas%20Inventory.

Yep. The "Per Capita" argument is utterly ridiculous. The total is all
that ever matters.

> Read the top line, Australia contributes just over 1% of the worlds
> "global emissions" so 4/5ths of fuck all.

Absolutely.

We are *never* going to reach zero emissions, but even if by some
miracle we were able to the actual real, physical difference it would
make to the planet would be absolutely *nothing*. The Pacific island
nations who blame Australia for all their problems are *still* going to
be swamped by rising see levels regardless.

> China's overall damage to the environment makes anything we have done
> past present or future look very minuscule, its also possible that India
> is even worse than China.

India, China and the US are the three worst environmental polluters on
the planet, and between them they put out just over 18 *thousand
million* tonnes of CO2 emissions, whereas we put out 380 million. Now,
people like Trevor can argue nonsensical meaningless "per capita"
figures all they like, but the essential arithmetic here is that their
yearly output is the equivalent of *47 years* worth of output from us,
which makes anything we do to reduce our output completely academic
while they continue to spew out crap by the mega tonne.

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Noddy.

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 by: Daryl - Sat, 23 Apr 2022 02:38 UTC

On 23/4/2022 12:04 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 23/04/2022 10:03 am, Daryl wrote:
>> On 22/4/2022 6:54 pm, Noddy wrote:
>
>>> In my opinion the Chinese can go fuck themselves, and so can anyone
>>> who sides with them. If the Solomon Islands or any other Pacific
>>> nation wants to buddy up with the Chinese then good on them, but lets
>>> hope for their sake that they never have to call on this country for
>>> help ever again because if I was in charge they'd be getting told to
>>> fuck off and ask their Chinese buddies.
>>>
>>> The sooner the rest of the world shifts it's manufacturing base from
>>> China to India the better off we'll all be.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Agree, when I buy anything I often look at the label and if its made
>> in China I look for an alternative, trouble is is that very often
>> there isn't one.
>
> That's the problem, isn't it?
>
> We've allowed ourselves to be bought with the promise of cheap consumer
> goods, and got *so* used to the idea of paying dirt prices for stuff
> that we've let out own manufacturing base evaporate and become slaves to
> the Chinese monster. There is no escaping it with virtually everything
> we buy being reliant on Chinese made components, and there is no going
> back to making it ourselves. Not unless you like the idea of paying 5
> thousand bucks for a TV set that would sell for under a grand when it's
> made in China.
>
> We have no hope of ever fixing this ourselves. All we can hope is
> somewhere like India gets its shit together to set up a manufacturing
> base to rival China and the multinationals who have been exploiting the
> cheap labour base in China up till now move their operations to India so
> we can continue to enjoy life as we know it without being held to ransom
> by a country with the world's worst cunt attitude towards the people it
> deals with.
>
> I don't expect it will happen in my lifetime, but China has certainly
> pissed off enough of the rest of the world for the incentive to be
> there, and if it *does* eventually happen then they will learn a
> frightful lesson that they will never forget.
>
>
>
We can only hope that they get what they deserve.

--
Daryl

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 by: Daryl - Sat, 23 Apr 2022 02:45 UTC

On 23/4/2022 12:27 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 23/04/2022 9:49 am, Daryl wrote:
>> On 23/4/2022 7:16 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>
>>>> So how ironic is it that they choose to partner with the biggest
>>>> polluters on the planet:-)
>>>
>>> **Wrong. Here are the biggest CO2 emitters on the planet:
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_carbon_dioxide_emissions
>>>
>>>
>>> Examine the PER CAPITA emissions. China is well down the list.
>>> Australia is near the top.
>>
>> ROTFL, who gives a fuck about per capita, total emissions is what
>> matters.
>> https://www.csiro.au/en/research/environmental-impacts/climate-change/climate-change-qa/sources-of-ghg-gases#:~:text=Australian%20emissions,the%20National%20Greenhouse%20Gas%20Inventory.
>
>
> Yep. The "Per Capita" argument is utterly ridiculous. The total is all
> that ever matters.
>
>> Read the top line, Australia contributes just over 1% of the worlds
>> "global emissions" so 4/5ths of fuck all.
>
> Absolutely.
>
> We are *never* going to reach zero emissions, but even if by some
> miracle we were able to the actual real, physical difference it would
> make to the planet would be absolutely *nothing*. The Pacific island
> nations who blame Australia for all their problems are *still* going to
> be swamped by rising see levels regardless.
>
>> China's overall damage to the environment makes anything we have done
>> past present or future look very minuscule, its also possible that
>> India is even worse than China.
>
> India, China and the US are the three worst environmental polluters on
> the planet, and between them they put out just over 18 *thousand
> million* tonnes of CO2 emissions, whereas we put out 380 million. Now,
> people like Trevor can argue nonsensical meaningless "per capita"
> figures all they like, but the essential arithmetic here is that their
> yearly output is the equivalent of *47 years* worth of output from us,
> which makes anything we do to reduce our output completely academic
> while they continue to spew out crap by the mega tonne.
>
>
>
>
>
>
Even if Australia had zero emissions or even negative emissions our
overall impact on the total planet emissions is SFA.
That is not to say that we shouldn't do better and as far as I can see
we are making small improvements all the time, any current argument is
more about BS politics than reality.

Daryl

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 by: Noddy - Sat, 23 Apr 2022 07:02 UTC

On 23/04/2022 12:45 pm, Daryl wrote:
> On 23/4/2022 12:27 pm, Noddy wrote:

>> India, China and the US are the three worst environmental polluters on
>> the planet, and between them they put out just over 18 *thousand
>> million* tonnes of CO2 emissions, whereas we put out 380 million. Now,
>> people like Trevor can argue nonsensical meaningless "per capita"
>> figures all they like, but the essential arithmetic here is that their
>> yearly output is the equivalent of *47 years* worth of output from us,
>> which makes anything we do to reduce our output completely academic
>> while they continue to spew out crap by the mega tonne.
>
> Even if Australia had zero emissions or even negative emissions our
> overall impact on the total planet emissions is SFA.
> That is not to say that we shouldn't do better and as far as I can see
> we are making small improvements all the time, any current argument is
> more about BS politics than reality.

Absolutely.

Our role in this is largely academic, and it seems to be more about us
being "seen" to do something rather than anything we do having any real
effect. Which in itself is kind of funny really as we are an
insignificant country with zero influential impact, and any changes we
make will have no effect on the planet as a whole.

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 by: lindsay - Sun, 24 Apr 2022 11:13 UTC

On 23/04/2022 9:55 am, Daryl wrote:
> On 22/4/2022 6:38 pm, lindsay wrote:
>> On 22/04/2022 3:21 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>
>>> it's the 1930's again! militaristic build up until they're ready to
>>> strike while the rest of the world does little or nothing and remains
>>> unprepared for what will come
>>
>>
>> china (lower case) aren't the only country in an arms race. Pumping
>> out fighting warships faster than anyone. But unproven quality. A
>> single Los Angeles sub could theoretically sink 20+ targets per patrol...
>>
>> Don't undersell the "rest of the world" Felix. Putin has, and is now
>> paying for it. Not saying he'll lose, but if he wins, at what cost to
>> Russia? Xi Jinping will be watching with great interest, esp as his
>> own economy is in trouble. Even little old Australia is going as fast
>> as it can, with new F-35's, 200 x LRASM missiles; Norwegian anti ship
>> missiles with a range of 900klms; and Tomahawk cruise missiles with a
>> range of 1600klms. Upgrades to the Collins class, etc... (Hobart class
>> need mods, 96 VLS, instead of 48....)
>>
>> This will give us a long range strike capability thats been missing
>> since the RAAF F-111 was retired. (sniff)
>
> You should go visit Keith, they have an F111 in the museum he volunteers
> at on the Sunshine Coast:-)

I will one day, in the not too distant future... I believe there's a
cockpit at Moorabbin Air museum, and a couple of complete planes at
Point Cook, including "the Boneyard Wrangler" which is apparently the
only F-111 to survive the Boneyard in the states.

>> Obama has a hand in this... Jinping told Obama they will not
>> militarise the South China Sea. Then they did, and now cant/wont stop.
>> Now Singapore, Malaysia, Phillipines are all being butt-fucked. The
>> Borg have stripped the fishing grounds bare, and these countries
>> people are starving. What does china do? move to another area - The
>> Solomon Islands.  They're next. :-( But it seems they are too stupid
>> to see the outcome... look at Sri Lanka. Broken by china. The Borg at
>> work....
>
> I like the Borg analogy, very appropriate.
> "you will be assimilated"

Yep. "Resistance is futile". Or the Crown of Thorn starfish.... or even
"the Blob" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdUsyXQ8Wrs :-)

Fuck 'em.

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 by: Daryl - Sun, 24 Apr 2022 11:32 UTC

On 24/4/2022 9:13 pm, lindsay wrote:
> On 23/04/2022 9:55 am, Daryl wrote:
>> On 22/4/2022 6:38 pm, lindsay wrote:
>>> On 22/04/2022 3:21 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>
>>>> it's the 1930's again! militaristic build up until they're ready to
>>>> strike while the rest of the world does little or nothing and
>>>> remains unprepared for what will come
>>>
>>>
>>> china (lower case) aren't the only country in an arms race. Pumping
>>> out fighting warships faster than anyone. But unproven quality. A
>>> single Los Angeles sub could theoretically sink 20+ targets per
>>> patrol...
>>>
>>> Don't undersell the "rest of the world" Felix. Putin has, and is now
>>> paying for it. Not saying he'll lose, but if he wins, at what cost to
>>> Russia? Xi Jinping will be watching with great interest, esp as his
>>> own economy is in trouble. Even little old Australia is going as fast
>>> as it can, with new F-35's, 200 x LRASM missiles; Norwegian anti ship
>>> missiles with a range of 900klms; and Tomahawk cruise missiles with a
>>> range of 1600klms. Upgrades to the Collins class, etc... (Hobart
>>> class need mods, 96 VLS, instead of 48....)
>>>
>>> This will give us a long range strike capability thats been missing
>>> since the RAAF F-111 was retired. (sniff)
>>
>> You should go visit Keith, they have an F111 in the museum he
>> volunteers at on the Sunshine Coast:-)
>
> I will one day, in the not too distant future... I believe there's a
> cockpit at Moorabbin Air museum, and a couple of complete planes at
> Point Cook, including "the Boneyard Wrangler" which is apparently the
> only F-111 to survive the Boneyard in the states.

Surprising how big an F111 is for a fighter/bomber.
Been a while since I visited Point Cook, need to go there by myself so I
can take as long as I like looking around.

--
Daryl

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On 24/04/2022 9:32 pm, Daryl wrote:
> On 24/4/2022 9:13 pm, lindsay wrote:

>>>> This will give us a long range strike capability thats been missing
>>>> since the RAAF F-111 was retired. (sniff)
>>>
>>> You should go visit Keith, they have an F111 in the museum he
>>> volunteers at on the Sunshine Coast:-)
>>
>> I will one day, in the not too distant future... I believe there's a
>> cockpit at Moorabbin Air museum, and a couple of complete planes at
>> Point Cook, including "the Boneyard Wrangler" which is apparently the
>> only F-111 to survive the Boneyard in the states.
>
> Surprising how big an F111 is for a fighter/bomber.

The United States Navy was surprised too :-D

> Been a while since I visited Point Cook, need to go there by myself so I
> can take as long as I like looking around.

Me too. I've several hundred pics I took at Avalon Air shows over the
years, nearly all on 35mm film. I'm absolutely kicking myself I didnt
get to the later Avalon Airshows, due to work etc... The F-111 is the
most beautiful plane imho... (I nearly cried when I heard they were done
and I'd never see 'em fly again) followed closely by the B-1 Lancer, and
then the classic Hornet. (which I believe ours have been sold to
Canada?) ...

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On 22/04/2022 7:58 pm, Xeno wrote:
> On 22/4/2022 7:11 pm, Noddy wrote:
>> On 22/04/2022 6:50 pm, lindsay wrote:
>>> On 22/04/2022 6:15 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>>
>>>> China has been watching the world's responses on issues such as the
>>>> war in Ukraine.
>>>
>>> No shit, sherlock?
>>
>> Brilliant, isn't he? Ray Charles could have seen that...
>>
>>> I've been following the China situation quite closely of
>>>> late and what I've seen developing is scary stuff. It also helps
>>>> having a friend or two on the ground over there for some insight.
>>>
>>> How surprising. Aus.cars very own Foreign Minister has appeared
>>> complete with "a friend or two on the ground...."
>>
>> ROTFL :)
>>
>> For a bloke who is seen by so many around here as nothing but an
>> attention seeking moron that you wouldn't piss on if he was on fire,
>
> An attention seeking moron is the person

No you, shit for brains, who has to reply to every subject, with "a
friend...."

"Could he possibly be more of a hypocrite? " Yep, you keep proving it.

> I just sent one mate in China an email.

Did the other 3 billion "friends " reply?

He's on LinkedIn, name of Garry,
> and, if you look me up on LinkedIn you will see I am linked to him. He
> has been helping his wife run her language school for the past two years
> since the start of Covid and hopes to get back into his preferred field,
> electrical, in Shanghai soon. Given what's currently going on in
> Shanghai, I can't see him returning there any time soon. And I told him
> that in the email.

"If you haven't "done it", don't mention it. I've BTDT,"
" A clue Noddy, if you want to big note yourself, stick to topics about
which you have a clue or can Google sufficient info to make yourself
look knowledgeable."

>>
>> I imagine his loyal lapdogs Jerky Birko and Felix Spazpekcer must
>> secretly cringe at the number of "friends" he has :)
>
> Mine are real and verifiable Darren. Asanka,

Ah yes, *perhaps* one out of how many "friends" you've produced to pad
out your mindless bullshit, in the hope that someone will believe your
weight in numbers? Not me, shit-fer-brains...

refrigeration mechanic 13/3/12
Ships engineer 28/3/12
mechanic friend of 40 years 29/3/12
Discovery owner 30/3/12
Elec engineer 31/3/12
Teritory owner 1/4/12
Peugot owner 2/4/12
FiFo on rigs 4/4/12

Just a weeks worth of you injecting "friends" to give your bullshit some
credibility. Any of these "friends" have names or phone numbers, Tomas?

Oh thats right, you hide behind a "supremely gutless killfile" so you
dont have to answer to your very own lies and big-noting bullshit....

You silly old insipid bullshit artist.....

> for instance, is still in
> Vietnam, want to ring him? On the other hand, *everything* about you is
> fake.

How's your outboard mechanic "friend" going, shit for brains? You know,
the one that magically appeared when i mentioned mine had 30+ years
experience with regard to oil injection removal... Amazingly, you
produced your "friend" who suddenly ALSO had 30+ years+ experience, but
you couldn't remember his name or phone number. Does it end in **06?

Of course it does, and of course, the outboard mechanic is *you*. A
loud-mouthed know-nothing sack of demented shit. And why you'd suddenly
have an outboard mechanic as a "friend" when you dont even own a fucking
boat is another of those mysteries, as they aren't a dime a dozen, and a
decent one doesnt have time for wannabe's like you. Except in your
Altzeimers infected head...

Then there's the *seismic ship's navigator* who couldn't find his own
arse to save himself, and 'battled his way down the west coast', but
didnt know/couldnt find the Leeuwin Current. Got a name and number for
the ghost, Tomas?

Not to forget the "manager of the Scorsby railyard that had 4 different
jobs in 5 days. You supplied a number, I rang it. They wouldn't let me
through. Fine. Except my mate worked there. And you refused to name your
mate, or provide his number once you discovered I knew a few of the
equipment examiners and your "mate" wasn't what you said he was...

Face it, shit for brains... you're just a loud-mouthed liar, a pathetic
senile old hypocrite of gold standard, a plagiarist of others work
(DNA?), a big-noting ("i've btdt") google sponge. A broken down
windscreen wiper fitter, and failure looking for conversation of *any*
sort in a usenet newsgroup. Pathetic. Really pathetic.

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