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* Ford service: or lack thereof.....lindsay
+- Ford service: or lack thereof.....Noddy
+* Ford service: or lack thereof.....Clocky
|`* Ford service: or lack thereof.....Yosemite Sam
| `* Ford service: or lack thereof.....lindsay
|  +* Ford service: or lack thereof.....Daryl
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|  | `* Ford service: or lack thereof.....Daryl
|  |  `- Ford service: or lack thereof.....Noddy
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|  || `- Ford service: or lack thereof.....Xeno
|  |`* Ford service: or lack thereof.....alvey
|  | `- Ford service: or lack thereof.....Xeno
|  +* Ford service: or lack thereof.....Yosemite Sam
|  |`* Ford service: or lack thereof.....lindsay
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|  | |`* Ford service: or lack thereof.....lindsay
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|  | `* Ford service: or lack thereof.....Noddy
|  |  +* Ford service: or lack thereof.....Xeno
|  |  |`- Ford service: or lack thereof.....Yosemite Sam
|  |  `- Ford service: or lack thereof.....alvey
|  `* Ford service: or lack thereof.....alvey
|   +- Ford service: or lack thereof.....Clocky
|   `- Ford service: or lack thereof.....Yosemite Sam
+* Ford service: or lack thereof.....John_H
|+* Ford service: or lack thereof.....Daryl
||+* Ford service: or lack thereof.....Noddy
|||+* Ford service: or lack thereof.....Xeno
||||+- Ford service: or lack thereof.....Yosemite Sam
||||`- Ford service: or lack thereof.....Clocky
|||+- Ford service: or lack thereof.....Clocky
|||+* Ford service: or lack thereof.....John_H
||||`* Ford service: or lack thereof.....Noddy
|||| `* Ford service: or lack thereof.....lindsay
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||||  |`- Ford service: or lack thereof.....Daryl
||||  `* Ford service: or lack thereof.....Daryl
||||   `* Ford service: or lack thereof.....Noddy
||||    `* Ford service: or lack thereof.....Daryl
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||||       `- Ford service: or lack thereof.....alvey
|||`* Ford service: or lack thereof.....alvey
||| `- Ford service: or lack thereof.....Clocky
||`- Ford service: or lack thereof.....Clocky
|`- Ford service: or lack thereof.....lindsay
`* Ford service: or lack thereof.....Daryl
 +* Ford service: or lack thereof.....Noddy
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 |+* Ford service: or lack thereof.....Daryl
 ||`* Ford service: or lack thereof.....Noddy
 || `- Ford service: or lack thereof.....Daryl
 |+* Ford service: or lack thereof.....alvey
 ||+- Ford service: or lack thereof.....Xeno
 ||+- Ford service: or lack thereof.....Yosemite Sam
 ||`* Ford service: or lack thereof.....Clocky
 || `- Ford service: or lack thereof.....Xeno
 |`- Ford service: or lack thereof.....Clocky
 `- Ford service: or lack thereof.....lindsay

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 by: lindsay - Thu, 28 Apr 2022 10:49 UTC

On 28/04/2022 11:46 am, Daryl wrote:
> On 27/4/2022 7:58 pm, lindsay wrote:
>> Guys: had my 2021 Ranger XLT cab chassis in to the dealer for it's
>> 15,000k service. Had issues with Ford service at Jefferson Ford
>> previously, so looked elsewhere. But after having a Navara for 9 years
>> *without* any serious issues like ticking time bomb engines exploding,
>> and chassis bending, with 800kg of hydraulic cylinders in the back,
>> I returned to Ford because they produced a cab chassis, with a big
>> screen. Which is invaluable....
>>
>> Sold the Navara for 1/2 of what I paid for it. 102,000 on the clock,
>> full service history, had to replace the rear spring shackles. Whoope do!
>>
>> Did the 1500 service at Ford. No worries. Seemed like a waste of time.
>>
>> At 7000k, i had an oil change at my local mechanic. ( so local, he's
>> across the road!) He did all the extra wiring for lights, fridge,
>> tray... and a year later it all works as it's supposed to. All Good.
>>
>> 13 months after the purchase they start emailing me: Your Ranger is
>> overdue , so I rang 'em and asked what's the first available date with
>> a LOAN CAR.  (I'd fallen for this before with my BF xr6 ute. Service,
>> and walk to the station / call a cab / ring the wife.... fuck that.
>>
>> SO, got it there at 7.00am (they open at 7.30) waited till they pulled
>> the bollards out of the drive through, and 7.40, i'm handed a set of
>> keys for a 3.2l 6 speed Ranga.... off we go. Noisy engine, no
>> performance to note....
>>
>> 11.30am, mobile goes off: "Your Ranger is done." Beauty, "i'll be
>> there in 40 mins."
>>
>> Blah blah; page full of stupid stuff, blah,blah, here's your keys, cya!
>> Jumped in, had to readjust the seat position, internal mirror, and off
>> we go, $299 poorer.
>
> Fixed price service?

Yep $300 for an oil change, a filter, 1/2 a day wasted and silly little
problems that I have to fix....

>>
>> got 100 metres, and the DAB+ radio chops in/out and dies. 5 mins
>> later, a smattering of noise for maybe 30 seconds, and it's silent.
>> looked online, a few maybe 10 other ford owners (inc a Focus in UK)
>> far and wide have had the same issue.
>>
>> "Do a reset!" Fuck that !!! Lose all networking, all bluetooth, and
>> phone settings... So I ring the service and they say "do a reset"
>> How?" They talk me through it over the phone. And I lose the lot.
>>
>> Not happy, Dan!!! (hence this post)
>>
>>   So, I drive back, (Now a half day wasted) they play with it for 20
>> mins, proudly announce "it's working now". Cool... Told him to drive
>> around the block... he got 10 metres and it shit itself. So their
>> answer was to drag my bus inside, and disconnect the battery. I'm
>> outside the service centre in the sun...  10 mins later, their quite
>> proud of themselves.. "It works now..."
>>
>> yep, it does, Got back to work, but NOW the drivers side window has
>> issues. ITs controlled by a rocker switch. Poke it and hold, and
>> window goes all the way down, poke and hold, and it goes again, all
>> the way up. It's so you can keep 2 hands on the wheel... I'd imagine
>> most cars have the same shit... 'cept now nine doesnt work. Get back
>> home, check out youtube, and yep, there's a simple fix which works.
>
> Sounds like they "updated" the cars computers and didn't test everything
> afterwards.

Yep. Spot on. Their fail, because they have just lost a customer (I
wasnt going back anyway..) And a bit of bad publicity. Not sure they
need anymore, but punters were queuing up to get their cars serviced...
They also got pinged for importing chinese shit, and slapping Ford
Genuine Parts stickers on them.

>> Bus has a 5 year warranty... I think il'l use that if something
>> serious goes wrong, but I think I'll get my bus serviced elsewhere...
>>
> Good plan if you already know a good independent but they can be just as
> hit and miss.

Yep, See my last to John...

> Mate took his Volvo to an independent Volvo specialist because the
> dealer was too expensive, they incorrectly fitted new rear shocks
> resulting in one snapped shocked shaft 150km from home while towing a
> trailer, he has RACV Total Care so it didn't cost him to get it all
> towed home but a lot of time was wasted.

And sometimes the added wasted time is the killer. Whilst I'm returning
to Jeffos to fix the radio, I've lost time to do a job that needs to be
finished by tomorrow morning (last day of the month) I'll be starting at
5.00am thanks to Jeffo's... :-(

> Same mates son had his Hilux supposedly serviced by an independent, I
> serviced it a couple of weeks ago and it looked like it hadn't been
> serviced for years, looks like he paid for services that weren't done.

My ex neighbour suffered the same problem. His 3.0l petrol Hilux engine
sludged up, off the road for weeks, and was never the same... I borrowed
his Hilux to take some 7 metre steel purlins up the block, he borrowed
my Navara to tow his bobcat down to Inverloch....

>

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 by: Daryl - Thu, 28 Apr 2022 10:53 UTC

On 28/4/2022 8:19 pm, lindsay wrote:
> On 28/04/2022 11:08 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>
>> anyone who buys a Ford needs their head read!
>
> Why, Felix?
>
> Says the person who bought a MG Mini, against all advice from most of
> the punters here, and traded it in as unsuitable 12 months later on a
> new old stock 2 year old Lancer..
>
> Brilliant decision making there, Felix. Perhaps it's YOU who needs their
> head read....
>
LOL, people in glass houses ....:-)
With Ford it isn't so much that the product is bad but the standard of
service from dealers is crap.
To a certain extent Ford controls the dealers so it makes me wonder if
its the dealers or Ford who are to blame, maybe a bit of both?
Some time ago the local Ford dealer lost the franchise when a senior
manager got caught doing something dodgy with warranty claims, the
dealer now sells Hyundai, Kia, Suzuki and Isuzu so losing the Ford
dealership was probably the best thing that ever happened to them:-)

--
Daryl

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 by: lindsay - Thu, 28 Apr 2022 11:10 UTC

On 28/04/2022 8:53 pm, Daryl wrote:
> On 28/4/2022 8:19 pm, lindsay wrote:
>> On 28/04/2022 11:08 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>
>>> anyone who buys a Ford needs their head read!
>>
>> Why, Felix?
>>
>> Says the person who bought a MG Mini, against all advice from most of
>> the punters here, and traded it in as unsuitable 12 months later on a
>> new old stock 2 year old Lancer..
>>
>> Brilliant decision making there, Felix. Perhaps it's YOU who needs
>> their head read....
>>
> LOL, people in glass houses ....:-)
> With Ford it isn't so much that the product is bad but the standard of
> service from dealers is crap.

I love my Ranger. 2 of my mates (names and phone numbers available!)
also have rangers, and both are very happy with them. Whilst I was
waiting for 'em to sort the radio, i ran into the sales manager who sold
it to me, and we had a bit of a chat.* I told him if I had to buy
another i'd buy another Ranger. And I would. It has everything I wanted
in a 4 door 4wd (thankfully the 4wd got me out of the mud at easter),
It's very economical (9.2l per 100k on country freeway with 400 kg of
quick-set concrete in the back, plus fridge, tool box etc...) It's
perfect. Or it was until Ford service got hold of it...

> To a certain extent Ford controls the dealers so it makes me wonder if
> its the dealers or Ford who are to blame, maybe a bit of both?
> Some time ago the local Ford dealer lost the franchise when a senior
> manager got caught doing something dodgy with warranty claims, the
> dealer now sells Hyundai, Kia, Suzuki and Isuzu so losing the Ford
> dealership was probably the best thing that ever happened to them:-)

* He also mentioned they are getting slaughtered sales wise, ... no
stock. He had 11 Rangers 3 months ago, all gone, 7 month wait. He spends
his day drinking coffee. I will admit the sales experience at Jeffoson
Ford has always been comfortable. Bought 4 Fords and a Hyundai from
them. It's their service dept that are shit.
>
>

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 by: lindsay - Thu, 28 Apr 2022 11:36 UTC

On 28/04/2022 5:35 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 28/04/2022 4:05 pm, John_H wrote:

>> Son had a recall notice for an airbag in his Jeep which was handled by
>> a Ford dealer under some arrangement between them and the Jeep dealer.
>> The airbag was replaced but they left behind an unholy mess...
>> essential wiring disconnected, parts missing and a wheel arch
>> destroyed by cutting a large hole in it (they claimed it was on
>> account of an earlier recall even though the fault had been fixed
>> previously).  The result being that son would never again let a Ford
>> dealer within a country mile of any car he owned.
>
> Interesting tales of woe.
>
> In my experience dealership service departments are a lot like insurance
> companies in that you can find as many people complaining about how piss
> poor they are as you will people who have been delightfully happy with
> how they've been treated.

Yep. How hard is it to change the oil and filter, simply tick the left
hand side of a a4 sheet of imaginary "checks"? $300. On the plus side of
that, it also comes with a years worth of Roadside Assistance. I think
RACV are over $100? now ... the other side of the coin: I'll be fucked
if I go without roadside assistance... anything could happen.. get
bogged, hit a wombat/deer... So if i was to turn to my local mechanic
across the road, i'd have to renew my now expired gold membership with
RACV, so an annual charge on top of the service fee from him... Oh well...

> Luck of the draw in many cases.

Yep.

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 by: Noddy - Thu, 28 Apr 2022 12:28 UTC

On 28/04/2022 9:36 pm, lindsay wrote:
> On 28/04/2022 5:35 pm, Noddy wrote:
>> On 28/04/2022 4:05 pm, John_H wrote:
>
>>> Son had a recall notice for an airbag in his Jeep which was handled by
>>> a Ford dealer under some arrangement between them and the Jeep dealer.
>>> The airbag was replaced but they left behind an unholy mess...
>>> essential wiring disconnected, parts missing and a wheel arch
>>> destroyed by cutting a large hole in it (they claimed it was on
>>> account of an earlier recall even though the fault had been fixed
>>> previously).  The result being that son would never again let a Ford
>>> dealer within a country mile of any car he owned.
>>
>> Interesting tales of woe.
>>
>> In my experience dealership service departments are a lot like
>> insurance companies in that you can find as many people complaining
>> about how piss poor they are as you will people who have been
>> delightfully happy with how they've been treated.
>
> Yep. How hard is it to change the oil and filter, simply tick the left
> hand side of a a4 sheet of imaginary "checks"? $300. On the plus side of
> that, it also comes with a years worth of Roadside Assistance. I think
> RACV are over $100? now ... the other side of the coin: I'll be fucked
> if I go without roadside assistance... anything could happen.. get
> bogged, hit a wombat/deer... So if i was to turn to my local mechanic
> across the road, i'd have to renew my now expired gold membership with
> RACV, so an annual charge on top of the service fee from him... Oh well...

Exactly the same reason I can't be fucked doing the Santa fe.

I got used to letting the dealer do it on the last one as that came with
5 years free servicing as part of the deal and I was happy to let them
do it. This one has 5 years of fixed price servicing, and for 299 bucks
each year it gets an oil & Filter change, it gets plugged into the
machine and has all it's upgrades, it gets in service recalls and fixes,
gets a satnav map update and gets another 12 months continuation of the
Hyundai 24/7 Roadside Assistance programme.

If I did it myself it would still cost me 150 bucks in oil and a filter,
and I miss out on the other stuff which is *easily* worth the extra 150.
Best part is that if the thing should suddenly stop anywhere Hyundai
dispatches someone to take care of it which means I don't have to.

No lose here.

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 by: Noddy - Thu, 28 Apr 2022 12:52 UTC

On 28/04/2022 8:19 pm, lindsay wrote:
> On 28/04/2022 11:08 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>
>> anyone who buys a Ford needs their head read!
>
> Why, Felix?
>
> Says the person who bought a MG Mini, against all advice from most of
> the punters here, and traded it in as unsuitable 12 months later on a
> new old stock 2 year old Lancer..

10 year old Lancer. It was manufactured 2 years before he bought it, but
the car first hit the road a decade before and changed little in that time.

> Brilliant decision making there, Felix. Perhaps it's YOU who needs their
> head read....

The MG affair was hilarious. Despite him claiming that he "did his
research" he had no idea that MG was no longer a British manufacturer
and that his car was made in China, nor did he know that the car never
came with keyless entry or could have a towbar fitted until *after* he
bought it.

Seriously, the bloke is a *dickhead* who should just shut his trap and
save himself the embarrassment.

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 by: Daryl - Thu, 28 Apr 2022 13:01 UTC

On 28/4/2022 9:36 pm, lindsay wrote:
> On 28/04/2022 5:35 pm, Noddy wrote:
>> On 28/04/2022 4:05 pm, John_H wrote:
>
>>> Son had a recall notice for an airbag in his Jeep which was handled by
>>> a Ford dealer under some arrangement between them and the Jeep dealer.
>>> The airbag was replaced but they left behind an unholy mess...
>>> essential wiring disconnected, parts missing and a wheel arch
>>> destroyed by cutting a large hole in it (they claimed it was on
>>> account of an earlier recall even though the fault had been fixed
>>> previously).  The result being that son would never again let a Ford
>>> dealer within a country mile of any car he owned.
>>
>> Interesting tales of woe.
>>
>> In my experience dealership service departments are a lot like
>> insurance companies in that you can find as many people complaining
>> about how piss poor they are as you will people who have been
>> delightfully happy with how they've been treated.
>
> Yep. How hard is it to change the oil and filter, simply tick the left
> hand side of a a4 sheet of imaginary "checks"? $300. On the plus side of
> that, it also comes with a years worth of Roadside Assistance. I think
> RACV are over $100? now ... the other side of the coin: I'll be fucked
> if I go without roadside assistance... anything could happen.. get
> bogged, hit a wombat/deer... So if i was to turn to my local mechanic
> across the road, i'd have to renew my now expired gold membership with
> RACV, so an annual charge on top of the service fee from him... Oh well...

Only ever used the RACV once but I still think its worth paying for
especially after hearing about the mates recent broken shocker experience.
Wife's Golf came with one year road side assistance that has now expired
so I upgraded us to Total Care, cost a bit over $200 per year but it
covers both of us no matter what we are driving.

>
>> Luck of the draw in many cases.
>
> Yep.

Certainly is, I've had both good and bad experiences with AAMI, too bad
the bad was the most recent so they got the arse, car insurance mildly
bad (took 3mths to repair WRX), house insurance they were absolute
pricks and they spent more money trying to deny the claim than what it
would have cost to pay up.

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 by: Daryl - Thu, 28 Apr 2022 13:06 UTC

On 28/4/2022 10:28 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 28/04/2022 9:36 pm, lindsay wrote:
>> On 28/04/2022 5:35 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>> On 28/04/2022 4:05 pm, John_H wrote:
>>
>>>> Son had a recall notice for an airbag in his Jeep which was handled by
>>>> a Ford dealer under some arrangement between them and the Jeep dealer.
>>>> The airbag was replaced but they left behind an unholy mess...
>>>> essential wiring disconnected, parts missing and a wheel arch
>>>> destroyed by cutting a large hole in it (they claimed it was on
>>>> account of an earlier recall even though the fault had been fixed
>>>> previously).  The result being that son would never again let a Ford
>>>> dealer within a country mile of any car he owned.
>>>
>>> Interesting tales of woe.
>>>
>>> In my experience dealership service departments are a lot like
>>> insurance companies in that you can find as many people complaining
>>> about how piss poor they are as you will people who have been
>>> delightfully happy with how they've been treated.
>>
>> Yep. How hard is it to change the oil and filter, simply tick the left
>> hand side of a a4 sheet of imaginary "checks"? $300. On the plus side
>> of that, it also comes with a years worth of Roadside Assistance. I
>> think RACV are over $100? now ... the other side of the coin: I'll be
>> fucked if I go without roadside assistance... anything could happen..
>> get bogged, hit a wombat/deer... So if i was to turn to my local
>> mechanic across the road, i'd have to renew my now expired gold
>> membership with RACV, so an annual charge on top of the service fee
>> from him... Oh well...
>
> Exactly the same reason I can't be fucked doing the Santa fe.
>
> I got used to letting the dealer do it on the last one as that came with
> 5 years free servicing as part of the deal and I was happy to let them
> do it. This one has 5 years of fixed price servicing, and for 299 bucks
> each year it gets an oil & Filter change, it gets plugged into the
> machine and has all it's upgrades, it gets in service recalls and fixes,
> gets a satnav map update and gets another 12 months continuation of the
> Hyundai 24/7 Roadside Assistance programme.
>
> If I did it myself it would still cost me 150 bucks in oil and a filter,
> and I miss out on the other stuff which is *easily* worth the extra 150.
> Best part is that if the thing should suddenly stop anywhere Hyundai
> dispatches someone to take care of it which means I don't have to.
>
> No lose here.
>
Know what you mean.
The price of car service items isn't cheap, the recent Hilux service I
did cost $258 in parts, engine oil and filter, trans oil, air filter and
spark plugs.

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 by: Noddy - Thu, 28 Apr 2022 13:13 UTC

On 28/04/2022 8:53 pm, Daryl wrote:
> On 28/4/2022 8:19 pm, lindsay wrote:
>> On 28/04/2022 11:08 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>
>>> anyone who buys a Ford needs their head read!
>>
>> Why, Felix?
>>
>> Says the person who bought a MG Mini, against all advice from most of
>> the punters here, and traded it in as unsuitable 12 months later on a
>> new old stock 2 year old Lancer..
>>
>> Brilliant decision making there, Felix. Perhaps it's YOU who needs
>> their head read....
>>
> LOL, people in glass houses ....:-)

Felix is extra speshul :)

> With Ford it isn't so much that the product is bad but the standard of
> service from dealers is crap.
> To a certain extent Ford controls the dealers so it makes me wonder if
> its the dealers or Ford who are to blame, maybe a bit of both?

I don't think Ford's control of dealerships is any more or less than
that of any other marque, and I've had both good and bad experiences
with them just like any other.

> Some time ago the local Ford dealer lost the franchise when a senior
> manager got caught doing something dodgy with warranty claims, the
> dealer now sells Hyundai, Kia, Suzuki and Isuzu so losing the Ford
> dealership was probably the best thing that ever happened to them:-)

Lol :)

They're all shonks. There was a story in the paper a few weeks ago where
Honda Australia was fined by the ACCC for sending service advisory
letters out to customers telling them that their local dealership had
closed and that they should look for another.

The only problem was that that wasn't true :)

Apparently Honda is going through a bit of a tough time at the moment
and they'd withdrawn the franchises of a couple of their dealerships. I
don't know *why* they did, and the dealerships in question aren't
particularly happy about it, but they *are* still trading and perfectly
capable of servicing people's cars. Honda has a weed up their arse and
just doesn't want their customers to have anything to do with them though.

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 by: Noddy - Thu, 28 Apr 2022 13:21 UTC

On 28/04/2022 9:10 pm, lindsay wrote:
> On 28/04/2022 8:53 pm, Daryl wrote:
>> On 28/4/2022 8:19 pm, lindsay wrote:
>>> On 28/04/2022 11:08 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>
>>>> anyone who buys a Ford needs their head read!
>>>
>>> Why, Felix?
>>>
>>> Says the person who bought a MG Mini, against all advice from most of
>>> the punters here, and traded it in as unsuitable 12 months later on a
>>> new old stock 2 year old Lancer..
>>>
>>> Brilliant decision making there, Felix. Perhaps it's YOU who needs
>>> their head read....
>>>
>> LOL, people in glass houses ....:-)
>> With Ford it isn't so much that the product is bad but the standard of
>> service from dealers is crap.
>
> I love my Ranger. 2 of my mates (names and phone numbers available!)

ROTFL :)

> also have rangers, and both are very happy with them. Whilst I was
> waiting for 'em to sort the radio, i ran into the sales manager who sold
> it to me, and we had a bit of a chat.* I told him if I had to buy
> another i'd buy another Ranger. And I would. It has everything I wanted
> in a 4 door 4wd (thankfully the 4wd got me out of the mud at easter),
> It's very economical (9.2l per 100k on country freeway with 400 kg of
> quick-set concrete in the back, plus fridge, tool box etc...)  It's
> perfect. Or it was until Ford service got hold of it...

In my not so humble opinion the two best new utes on the market are the
Ranger and the Triton. The Ranger is the best on the market period
regardless of price, and the Triton is the best value for money package.

Everything else is just blah....

>> To a certain extent Ford controls the dealers so it makes me wonder if
>> its the dealers or Ford who are to blame, maybe a bit of both?
>> Some time ago the local Ford dealer lost the franchise when a senior
>> manager got caught doing something dodgy with warranty claims, the
>> dealer now sells Hyundai, Kia, Suzuki and Isuzu so losing the Ford
>> dealership was probably the best thing that ever happened to them:-)
>
>
> * He also mentioned they are getting slaughtered sales wise, ... no
> stock. He had 11 Rangers 3 months ago, all gone, 7 month wait. He spends
> his day drinking coffee. I will admit the sales experience at Jeffoson
> Ford has always been comfortable. Bought 4 Fords and a Hyundai from
> them. It's their service dept that are shit.

Production of the current ranger has ended and the new Ranger will be
here within 2 months according to Ford. The Australia's first allotment
is apparently 7 and a half thousand units and if the thing sells as
quickly as I suspect it might I think there will be a bit of a wait as
the first lot will sell out quickly.

Whether that all turns out to be true or not I can't say, but they must
be fairly close. I was dropping the kids off to school this morning and
there was a brand new Ranger disguised in the "zebra skin" wrapping
getting around Bacchus Marsh this morning.

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On 28/04/2022 11:01 pm, Daryl wrote:
> On 28/4/2022 9:36 pm, lindsay wrote:

>>> Luck of the draw in many cases.
>>
>> Yep.
>
> Certainly is, I've had both good and bad experiences with AAMI, too bad
> the bad was the most recent so they got the arse, car insurance mildly
> bad (took 3mths to repair WRX), house insurance they were absolute
> pricks and they spent more money trying to deny the claim than what it
> would have cost to pay up.

Same here with Shannons.

I have everything insured with them and have had two relatively recent
claims. One, the rear bumper on the Santa Fe, was handled quickly and
cleanly and was thoroughly painless. The other was for minor plaster and
tile damage to the house here after the Earthquake we had some months ago.

It gave the house a fucking good shake and cracked a few walls and floor
tiles, but after sending out an engineer who did nothing other than
measure the differences in floor height at various points they denied
the claim stating it was existing damage from previous movement.

I sat here and watched it happen :)

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 by: Yosemite Sam - Thu, 28 Apr 2022 15:47 UTC

On 28/04/2022 8:19 pm, lindsay wrote:
> On 28/04/2022 11:08 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>
>> anyone who buys a Ford needs their head read!
>
> Why, Felix?
>
> Says the person who bought a MG Mini, against all advice from most of
> the punters here,

I had already bought it before I posted here

> and traded it in as unsuitable 12 months later on a new old stock 2
> year old Lancer..
>
> Brilliant decision making there, Felix. Perhaps it's YOU who needs
> their head read....
>

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 by: Yosemite Sam - Thu, 28 Apr 2022 15:57 UTC

On 28/04/2022 10:52 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 28/04/2022 8:19 pm, lindsay wrote:
>> On 28/04/2022 11:08 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>
>>> anyone who buys a Ford needs their head read!
>>
>> Why, Felix?
>>
>> Says the person who bought a MG Mini, against all advice from most of
>> the punters here, and traded it in as unsuitable 12 months later on a
>> new old stock 2 year old Lancer..
>
> 10 year old Lancer. It was manufactured 2 years before he bought it,
> but the car first hit the road a decade before and changed little in
> that time.
>
>> Brilliant decision making there, Felix. Perhaps it's YOU who needs
>> their head read....
>
> The MG affair was hilarious. Despite him claiming that he "did his
> research"

what research did I say I did and when? another of your countless lies

> he had no idea that MG was no longer a British manufacturer and that
> his car was made in China, nor did he know that the car never came
> with keyless entry or could have a towbar fitted until *after* he
> bought it.
>
> Seriously, the bloke is a *dickhead* who should just shut his trap and
> save himself the embarrassment.
>
>

what could possibly be more embarrassing in a car forum than claiming to
be a qualified motor mechanic and proven a liar

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 by: Yosemite Sam - Thu, 28 Apr 2022 15:58 UTC

On 28/04/2022 6:06 pm, alvey wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Apr 2022 13:49:00 +1000, Noddy wrote:
>
>
>> I've long been a supporter of the theory that you get a better level of
>> service from an independent than a dealer, as unlike the dealer the
>> independent lives or dies on the strength of the service they provide to
>> their customers and the reputation that comes from that. As having been
>> an independent myself
> Really Fraudster? When and where was this? How about some proof?
>
>> I'm well aware of how important having happy customers can be.
> Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.
>
> I suspect that the only time you've ever made *anyone* happy in your
> miserable life was when you left Myrtle Grove. The ex-neighbors probably
> partied for a couple of weeks...

LOL

>
> snip unread
>
>
>
> alvey
>

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 by: alvey - Thu, 28 Apr 2022 19:06 UTC

On Thu, 28 Apr 2022 20:19:54 +1000, lindsay wrote:

> On 28/04/2022 11:08 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>
>> anyone who buys a Ford needs their head read!
>
> Why, Felix?
>
> Says the person who bought a MG Mini, against all advice from most of
> the punters here, and traded it in as unsuitable 12 months later on a
> new old stock 2 year old Lancer..
>
> Brilliant decision making there, Felix. Perhaps it's YOU who needs their
> head read....

Well I'm unsure how any of that excludes him from having an opinion on
Fords but, it could be worse. He could enable a fraudulent, lying hypocrite
and run away from those who point out his idiotic & unjustifiable
positions...

alvey

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 by: alvey - Thu, 28 Apr 2022 19:15 UTC

On Thu, 28 Apr 2022 22:52:53 +1000, Noddy wrote:

>
> Seriously, the bloke is a *dickhead* who should just shut his trap and
> save himself the embarrassment.

yawn. Once again...
"dickhead" is subjective Fraudster, whereas liar, fraud, hypocrite, coward
and plagiarist *aren't*. Anyhoo, you won't "shut your trap and save
yourself the embarrassment", so why should *anyone*?

alvey
Recalling the disbelief & hilarity when the Fraudster claimed that the only
valid way of comparing historical car prices was by the sale price.
Hahahahaha

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 by: alvey - Thu, 28 Apr 2022 19:17 UTC

On Fri, 29 Apr 2022 01:57:17 +1000, Yosemite Sam wrote:

> On 28/04/2022 10:52 pm, Noddy wrote:
>> On 28/04/2022 8:19 pm, lindsay wrote:
>>> On 28/04/2022 11:08 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>
>>>> anyone who buys a Ford needs their head read!
>>>
>>> Why, Felix?
>>>
>>> Says the person who bought a MG Mini, against all advice from most of
>>> the punters here, and traded it in as unsuitable 12 months later on a
>>> new old stock 2 year old Lancer..
>>
>> 10 year old Lancer. It was manufactured 2 years before he bought it,
>> but the car first hit the road a decade before and changed little in
>> that time.
>>
>>> Brilliant decision making there, Felix. Perhaps it's YOU who needs
>>> their head read....
>>
>> The MG affair was hilarious. Despite him claiming that he "did his
>> research"
>
> what research did I say I did and when? another of your countless lies
>
>> he had no idea that MG was no longer a British manufacturer and that
>> his car was made in China, nor did he know that the car never came
>> with keyless entry or could have a towbar fitted until *after* he
>> bought it.
>>
>> Seriously, the bloke is a *dickhead* who should just shut his trap and
>> save himself the embarrassment.
>>
>>
>
> what could possibly be more embarrassing in a car forum than claiming to
> be a qualified motor mechanic and proven a liar

Falsely claiming to have owned a hugely successful garage?

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 by: Daryl - Thu, 28 Apr 2022 22:42 UTC

On 28/4/2022 11:27 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 28/04/2022 11:01 pm, Daryl wrote:
>> On 28/4/2022 9:36 pm, lindsay wrote:
>
>>>> Luck of the draw in many cases.
>>>
>>> Yep.
>>
>> Certainly is, I've had both good and bad experiences with AAMI, too
>> bad the bad was the most recent so they got the arse, car insurance
>> mildly bad (took 3mths to repair WRX), house insurance they were
>> absolute pricks and they spent more money trying to deny the claim
>> than what it would have cost to pay up.
>
> Same here with Shannons.
>
> I have everything insured with them and have had two relatively recent
> claims. One, the rear bumper on the Santa Fe, was handled quickly and
> cleanly and was thoroughly painless. The other was for minor plaster and
> tile damage to the house here after the Earthquake we had some months ago.
>
> It gave the house a fucking good shake and cracked a few walls and floor
> tiles, but after sending out an engineer who did nothing other than
> measure the differences in floor height at various points they denied
> the claim stating it was existing damage from previous movement.

Pretty much what happened when we had a burst water pipe under the
house, dickheads sent "engineers" out 3 times to measure floor levels
and do so called inspections then they wouldn't pay because they said
that the damage was caused by natural ground movement.
Even the photos of the foot deep water under the house didn't convince
them.
>
> I sat here and watched it happen :)
>

LOL, you and the rest of the State must have imagined it:-)

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 by: Daryl - Thu, 28 Apr 2022 23:06 UTC

On 28/4/2022 11:13 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 28/04/2022 8:53 pm, Daryl wrote:
>> On 28/4/2022 8:19 pm, lindsay wrote:
>>> On 28/04/2022 11:08 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>
>>>> anyone who buys a Ford needs their head read!
>>>
>>> Why, Felix?
>>>
>>> Says the person who bought a MG Mini, against all advice from most of
>>> the punters here, and traded it in as unsuitable 12 months later on a
>>> new old stock 2 year old Lancer..
>>>
>>> Brilliant decision making there, Felix. Perhaps it's YOU who needs
>>> their head read....
>>>
>> LOL, people in glass houses ....:-)
>
> Felix is extra speshul :)
>
>> With Ford it isn't so much that the product is bad but the standard of
>> service from dealers is crap.
>> To a certain extent Ford controls the dealers so it makes me wonder if
>> its the dealers or Ford who are to blame, maybe a bit of both?
>
> I don't think Ford's control of dealerships is any more or less than
> that of any other marque, and I've had both good and bad experiences
> with them just like any other.
>
>> Some time ago the local Ford dealer lost the franchise when a senior
>> manager got caught doing something dodgy with warranty claims, the
>> dealer now sells Hyundai, Kia, Suzuki and Isuzu so losing the Ford
>> dealership was probably the best thing that ever happened to them:-)
>
> Lol :)
>
> They're all shonks. There was a story in the paper a few weeks ago where
> Honda Australia was fined by the ACCC for sending service advisory
> letters out to customers telling them that their local dealership had
> closed and that they should look for another.
>
> The only problem was that that wasn't true :)
>
> Apparently Honda is going through a bit of a tough time at the moment
> and they'd withdrawn the franchises of a couple of their dealerships. I
> don't know *why* they did, and the dealerships in question aren't
> particularly happy about it, but they *are* still trading and perfectly
> capable of servicing people's cars. Honda has a weed up their arse and
> just doesn't want their customers to have anything to do with them though.
>
>
>
>
Honda and Mercedes have changed the way they sell cars, they call it an
"agency model" they sell cars at a fixed price at every dealership in
Australia, no negotiation on price of the new car.
As a result Honda sales have dropped like a stone -39.5%, they also
increased prices, its even possible that they won't be selling cars here
for much longer.
I don't know the exact effect its had on MB sales but they have lost sales.
Supply shortages are also causing them lots of grief, before we bought
the Golf we looked at a new Civic, Honda dealer said that they weren't
even allowed to take orders because Honda couldn't give them a delivery
date.

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 by: Noddy - Thu, 28 Apr 2022 23:16 UTC

On 29/04/2022 8:42 am, Daryl wrote:
> On 28/4/2022 11:27 pm, Noddy wrote:

>> It gave the house a fucking good shake and cracked a few walls and
>> floor tiles, but after sending out an engineer who did nothing other
>> than measure the differences in floor height at various points they
>> denied the claim stating it was existing damage from previous movement.
>
> Pretty much what happened when we had a burst water pipe under the
> house, dickheads sent "engineers" out 3 times to measure floor levels
> and do so called inspections then they wouldn't pay because they said
> that the damage was caused by natural ground movement.
> Even the photos of the foot deep water under the house didn't convince
> them.

Fucking idiots.

One of the neighbours who's house is on stumps had their floor drop and
open up a 20mm gap under their skirting boards in some places around the
house, and while they're insured with Shannons as well they sent some
other "engineer" cunt out to their place to inspect the damage and who
was apparently an "earthquake" expert. How the fuck you get to be one of
those in *this* country where we're lucky to have a significant
earthquake once in every 700 years I'm fucked if I know, but apparently
he was.

The neighbour showed me a copy of the report he did. He apparently
looked under the house, claimed that it was flooded and the movement was
caused by the water, and stated that the insurer wasn't liable.

When she showed me the report she said "have a look at this" and opened
the side gate where you can see under the house pretty clearly, and the
area he highlighted as "flooded" on his pictures was simply different
coloured soil that was put in when the house was built.

His report actually stated that as we were something like 160+km's from
the epicentre the movement felt here would be no more than that of a
large truck driving up the main street :)

>> I sat here and watched it happen :)
>>
>
> LOL, you and the rest of the State must have imagined it:-)

The bloke who came an assessed my place said that his office in Airport
West copped a fair bit of damage, and I showed him this video of my shed
taken from the CCTV camera at the time:

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvv-2rSId6A

He looked at it and said "Wow. I didn't think it would be that bad out
this far" and then *still* went back to his office and submitted a
report to Shannons where he stated that it was his opinion that the
plaster and tile damage in the house was a result of natural movement.

Clearly he knew what was expected of him :)

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 by: Xeno - Thu, 28 Apr 2022 23:30 UTC

On 29/4/2022 1:57 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 28/04/2022 10:52 pm, Noddy wrote:
>> On 28/04/2022 8:19 pm, lindsay wrote:
>>> On 28/04/2022 11:08 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>
>>>> anyone who buys a Ford needs their head read!
>>>
>>> Why, Felix?
>>>
>>> Says the person who bought a MG Mini, against all advice from most of
>>> the punters here, and traded it in as unsuitable 12 months later on a
>>> new old stock 2 year old Lancer..
>>
>> 10 year old Lancer. It was manufactured 2 years before he bought it,
>> but the car first hit the road a decade before and changed little in
>> that time.
>>
>>> Brilliant decision making there, Felix. Perhaps it's YOU who needs
>>> their head read....
>>
>> The MG affair was hilarious. Despite him claiming that he "did his
>> research"
>
>
> what research did I say I did and when? another of your countless lies
>
>
>> he had no idea that MG was no longer a British manufacturer and that
>> his car was made in China, nor did he know that the car never came
>> with keyless entry or could have a towbar fitted until *after* he
>> bought it.
>>
>> Seriously, the bloke is a *dickhead* who should just shut his trap and
>> save himself the embarrassment.
>>
>>
>
> what could possibly be more embarrassing in a car forum than claiming to
> be a qualified motor mechanic and proven a liar
>
Not only did Darren claim to be a mechanic, he claimed to be a *dual
qualified* mechanic with no less than 3 apprenticeships under his belt
in a state (Vic.), and in an era(pre-1992), where you could legally only
do one - and he didn't even qualify to enter into any apprenticeship
ever due to failing/skipping his year nine exams and not meeting the
*minimum* education requirement. Definitely a *proven liar* and a self
aggrandising buffoon to boot. But, sadly, narcissists don't feel
embarrassment so it will be an alien emotion, a feeling beyond his ken.
That explains a lot.

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Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

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 by: Xeno - Thu, 28 Apr 2022 23:33 UTC

On 29/4/2022 5:15 am, alvey wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Apr 2022 22:52:53 +1000, Noddy wrote:
>
>
>>
>> Seriously, the bloke is a *dickhead* who should just shut his trap and
>> save himself the embarrassment.
>
> yawn. Once again...
> "dickhead" is subjective Fraudster, whereas liar, fraud, hypocrite, coward
> and plagiarist *aren't*. Anyhoo, you won't "shut your trap and save
> yourself the embarrassment", so why should *anyone*?
>
He's a narcissist, embarrassment is beyond his ken.
>
>
> alvey
> Recalling the disbelief & hilarity when the Fraudster claimed that the only
> valid way of comparing historical car prices was by the sale price.
> Hahahahaha
>
His lack of understanding of simple mathematical principles was well and
truly on display that day!

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Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

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 by: Noddy - Fri, 29 Apr 2022 00:16 UTC

On 29/04/2022 9:06 am, Daryl wrote:
> On 28/4/2022 11:13 pm, Noddy wrote:

>> Apparently Honda is going through a bit of a tough time at the moment
>> and they'd withdrawn the franchises of a couple of their dealerships.
>> I don't know *why* they did, and the dealerships in question aren't
>> particularly happy about it, but they *are* still trading and
>> perfectly capable of servicing people's cars. Honda has a weed up
>> their arse and just doesn't want their customers to have anything to
>> do with them though.
>>
>>
>>
>>
> Honda and Mercedes have changed the way they sell cars, they call it an
> "agency model" they sell cars at a fixed price at every dealership in
> Australia, no negotiation on price of the new car.
> As a result Honda sales have dropped like a stone -39.5%, they also
> increased prices, its even possible that they won't be selling cars here
> for much longer.

Not hard to see why. Their styling at the moment is bizarre.

> I don't know the exact effect its had on MB sales but they have lost sales.
> Supply shortages are also causing them lots of grief, before we bought
> the Golf we looked at a new Civic, Honda dealer said that they weren't
> even allowed to take orders because Honda couldn't give them a delivery
> date.

It *is* a bit of a tough world for car manufacturers at the moment, but
Jesus.

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 by: John_H - Fri, 29 Apr 2022 00:31 UTC

Noddy wrote:
>
>In my not so humble opinion the two best new utes on the market are the
>Ranger and the Triton. The Ranger is the best on the market period
>regardless of price, and the Triton is the best value for money package.
>
>Everything else is just blah....

Know a couple of Isuzu owners who'd disagree with you! :)

I actually have very little brand bias when it comes to buying a car
as I tend to choose whatever best suits my requirements at the time.
I last bought a Ford (F100) because I needed a ute with high towing
capacity and nothing else came near it. It was otherwise a very
ordinary vehicle but on the plus side it also had a phenomenal resale
value (son eventually sold it on ebay for close to what it cost me
new).

Dealerships are another story and I try to avoid most of them like the
plague. Unfortunately it's becoming increasingly difficult due to the
complexity of the late model stuff and lack of service information so
I absolutely dread the prospect of the next new car experience The
larger ones also tend to employ dickheads as a consequence of a
skilled worker shortage.

As confirmed by a recent experience involving a warranty claim on an
ATV (Can-Am) that had split its radiator. Dealer was pissed because
it had never been back for service and argued it was caused by lack of
maintenance resulting in high pressure from overheating due to blocked
radiator fins. Our response... "sounds like you'd better replace the
cap as well". His jaw almost hit the floor when the penny finally
dropped, suggesting he was more dickhead than liar (the latter
probably works in the sales department).

Admittedly we've since found another dealership which is a small
operation run by its owner who's also the mechanic, a situation that
doesn't exist in the car world as the manufacturers have long since
closed down the smaller ones.

>
>>> To a certain extent Ford controls the dealers so it makes me wonder if
>>> its the dealers or Ford who are to blame, maybe a bit of both?

Mostly the manufacturers plus the culture they generate! Absolute
worst I'm aware of are Jeep yet both my son and our resident mechanic
own them. Son because he's heavily into off-roading and the Wrangler
Rubicon is the one to beat. Mechanic bought his because it was dirt
cheep (European built Grand Cherokee). Both service their own and buy
their parts online.

Family business also owns a couple of Nissans bought secondhand so the
only experience we've had with dealers were airbag replacements on the
Navara. Navara (3 litre) has had more then its share of issues but
there's no shortage of expertise outside the dealer network.

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 by: Clocky - Fri, 29 Apr 2022 01:05 UTC

On 28/04/2022 11:57 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 28/04/2022 10:52 pm, Noddy wrote:
>> On 28/04/2022 8:19 pm, lindsay wrote:
>>> On 28/04/2022 11:08 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>
>>>> anyone who buys a Ford needs their head read!
>>>
>>> Why, Felix?
>>>
>>> Says the person who bought a MG Mini, against all advice from most of
>>> the punters here, and traded it in as unsuitable 12 months later on a
>>> new old stock 2 year old Lancer..
>>
>> 10 year old Lancer. It was manufactured 2 years before he bought it,
>> but the car first hit the road a decade before and changed little in
>> that time.
>>
>>> Brilliant decision making there, Felix. Perhaps it's YOU who needs
>>> their head read....
>>
>> The MG affair was hilarious. Despite him claiming that he "did his
>> research"
>
>
> what research did I say I did and when? another of your countless lies
>
>
>> he had no idea that MG was no longer a British manufacturer and that
>> his car was made in China, nor did he know that the car never came
>> with keyless entry or could have a towbar fitted until *after* he
>> bought it.
>>
>> Seriously, the bloke is a *dickhead* who should just shut his trap and
>> save himself the embarrassment.
>>
>>
>
> what could possibly be more embarrassing in a car forum than claiming to
> be a qualified motor mechanic and proven a liar
>
>

Claiming that you ran a successful million dollar business servicing
exotics from your parents bedroom?

The bloke has *never* worked outside a sheltered workshop, on all
available evidence has no qualifications and evidently has no trade
experience.

What a flop!

--
keith on the 7 Oct 2021 wrote;
"He asserts that the claim is true, so, if
it is unproven, he is lying."

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