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Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
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After all this time, I thought they'd have chosen the names by now?

I certainly hope Goblin survives as one of the official names. But I
suspect that the DC Lines will get a new name.

According to Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com>:
>Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>> <http://www.chiswickw4.com/default.asp?section=community&link=http://neighbournet.com/server/common/conoverground011.htm>
>
>After all this time, I thought they'd have chosen the names by now?
>
>I certainly hope Goblin survives as one of the official names. But I
>suspect that the DC Lines will get a new name.

I'm looking forward to riding on Tracky McTrackFace.

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John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> wrote:
> According to Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com>:
>> Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>> <http://www.chiswickw4.com/default.asp?section=community&link=http://neighbournet.com/server/common/conoverground011.htm>
>>
>> After all this time, I thought they'd have chosen the names by now?
>>
>> I certainly hope Goblin survives as one of the official names. But I
>> suspect that the DC Lines will get a new name.
>
> I'm looking forward to riding on Tracky McTrackFace.

My fear is that they'll want to name lines after some socialist hero of the
past who once lived along the route.

Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
> John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> wrote:
> > According to Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com>:
> >> Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> >>> <http://www.chiswickw4.com/default.asp?section=community&link=http://neighbournet.com/server/common/conoverground011.htm>
> >>
> >> After all this time, I thought they'd have chosen the names by now?
> >>
> >> I certainly hope Goblin survives as one of the official names. But I
> >> suspect that the DC Lines will get a new name.
> >
> > I'm looking forward to riding on Tracky McTrackFace.
>
> My fear is that they'll want to name lines after some socialist hero of the
> past who once lived along the route.

I quite like that, with a few exceptions (George Best, John Lennon) in the
UK we don't name airports after people. It makes a change from the rest of
the world where you often fly into Somewhere Dead Politician airport.

Theo

Theo wrote:

> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > My fear is that they'll want to name lines after some socialist hero
> > of the past who once lived along the route.
>
> I quite like that, with a few exceptions (George Best, John Lennon) in
> the UK we don't name airports after people. It makes a change from the
> rest of the world where you often fly into Somewhere Dead Politician
> airport.

Yeah, but I'm not sure the [Ken] "Livingstone Line" or [Tony] "Benn Line"
will carry the same gravitas!

Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>> John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> wrote:
>>> According to Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com>:
>>>> Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> <http://www.chiswickw4.com/default.asp?section=community&link=http://neighbournet.com/server/common/conoverground011.htm>
>>>>
>>>> After all this time, I thought they'd have chosen the names by now?
>>>>
>>>> I certainly hope Goblin survives as one of the official names. But I
>>>> suspect that the DC Lines will get a new name.
>>>
>>> I'm looking forward to riding on Tracky McTrackFace.
>>
>> My fear is that they'll want to name lines after some socialist hero of the
>> past who once lived along the route.
>
> I quite like that, with a few exceptions (George Best, John Lennon) in the
> UK we don't name airports after people. It makes a change from the rest of
> the world where you often fly into Somewhere Dead Politician airport.
>

Agreed, and I hope those two examples revert back to sensible geographic
names in due course.

In the US, they typically name airports after former local mayors that
no-one outside the city has heard of, and few in the city remember. At
least we don't do that. But in 1966 the Irish renamed the two main Dublin
stations after executed revolutionary heroes of the 1916 Easter Rising
(Seán Heuston and James Connolly).

Recliner wrote:
>
> In the US, they typically name airports after former local mayors that
> no-one outside the city has heard of, and few in the city remember. At
> least we don't do that. But in 1966 the Irish renamed the two main Dublin
> stations after executed revolutionary heroes of the 1916 Easter Rising
> (Seán Heuston and James Connolly).

.... and renamed the third main Dublin station after Padraig Pearse.

And at the same time [1966: the 50th anniversary of the Easter Rising]
other major Irish railway stations were also suitably renamed after the
heroes of 1916. Cork - Thomas Kent, Limerick - Cornelius Colbert, Galway -
Eamonn Ceannt, etc.

On Sun, 27 Aug 2023 12:03:16 +0100, "Blueshirt" <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:

>Recliner wrote:
>>
>> In the US, they typically name airports after former local mayors that
>> no-one outside the city has heard of, and few in the city remember. At
>> least we don't do that. But in 1966 the Irish renamed the two main Dublin
>> stations after executed revolutionary heroes of the 1916 Easter Rising
>> (Seán Heuston and James Connolly).
>
>... and renamed the third main Dublin station after Padraig Pearse.
>
>And at the same time [1966: the 50th anniversary of the Easter Rising]
>other major Irish railway stations were also suitably renamed after the
>heroes of 1916. Cork - Thomas Kent, Limerick - Cornelius Colbert, Galway -
>Eamonn Ceannt, etc.

Yes, it wasn't just a Dublin thing. All 16 of the executed leaders of the Uprising got a station renamed after them in
1966:

Pearse Station (after Padraig and William Pearse; formerly Westland Row)
Connolly Station (James Connolly, formerly Amiens Street)
Heuston Station (Seán Heuston, formerly Kingsbridge)
Cork Kent Station (Thomas Kent)
Limerick Colbert Station (Con Colbert)
Dun Laoghaire Mallin Station (Michael Mallin)
Waterford Plunkett Station (Joseph Plunkett)
Galway Ceannt Station (Eamonn Ceannt)
Dundalk Clarke Station (Thomas Clarke)
Drogheda MacBride Station (John MacBride)
Sligo MacDiarmada Station (Seán MacDiarmada)
Bray Daly Station (Edward Daly)
Wexford O’Hanrahan Station (Michael O’Hanrahan)
Kilkenny MacDonagh Station (Thomas MacDonagh)
Tralee Casement Station (Roger Casement)

My fear is that something similar might be suggested for the LO lines.

Recliner wrote:

> On Sun, 27 Aug 2023 12:03:16 +0100, "Blueshirt" <blueshirt@indigo.news>
> wrote:
>
> > Recliner wrote:
> >>
> >> In the US, they typically name airports after former local mayors that
> >> no-one outside the city has heard of, and few in the city remember. At
> >> least we don't do that. But in 1966 the Irish renamed the two main
> >> Dublin stations after executed revolutionary heroes of the 1916
> >> Easter Rising (Seán Heuston and James Connolly).
> >
> > ... and renamed the third main Dublin station after Padraig Pearse.
> >
> > And at the same time [1966: the 50th anniversary of the Easter Rising]
> > other major Irish railway stations were also suitably renamed after the
> > heroes of 1916. Cork - Thomas Kent, Limerick - Cornelius Colbert,
> > Galway - Eamonn Ceannt, etc.
>
> Yes, it wasn't just a Dublin thing. All 16 of the executed leaders of
> the Uprising got a station renamed after them in 1966:
>
> Pearse Station (after Padraig and William Pearse; formerly Westland
> Row) Connolly Station (James Connolly, formerly Amiens Street)
> Heuston Station (Seán Heuston, formerly Kingsbridge)
> Cork Kent Station (Thomas Kent)
> Limerick Colbert Station (Con Colbert)
> Dun Laoghaire Mallin Station (Michael Mallin)
> Waterford Plunkett Station (Joseph Plunkett)
> Galway Ceannt Station (Eamonn Ceannt)
> Dundalk Clarke Station (Thomas Clarke)
> Drogheda MacBride Station (John MacBride)
> Sligo MacDiarmada Station (Seán MacDiarmada)
> Bray Daly Station (Edward Daly)
> Wexford O’Hanrahan Station (Michael O’Hanrahan)
> Kilkenny MacDonagh Station (Thomas MacDonagh)
> Tralee Casement Station (Roger Casement)
>
> My fear is that something similar might be suggested for the LO lines.

Personally I'd have preferred letters/numbers, like in NYC... they are
neutral and easy enough to understand.

On Sun, 27 Aug 2023 12:34:10 +0100, "Blueshirt" <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:

>Recliner wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 27 Aug 2023 12:03:16 +0100, "Blueshirt" <blueshirt@indigo.news>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Recliner wrote:
>> >>
>> >> In the US, they typically name airports after former local mayors that
>> >> no-one outside the city has heard of, and few in the city remember. At
>> >> least we don't do that. But in 1966 the Irish renamed the two main
>> >> Dublin stations after executed revolutionary heroes of the 1916
>> >> Easter Rising (Seán Heuston and James Connolly).
>> >
>> > ... and renamed the third main Dublin station after Padraig Pearse.
>> >
>> > And at the same time [1966: the 50th anniversary of the Easter Rising]
>> > other major Irish railway stations were also suitably renamed after the
>> > heroes of 1916. Cork - Thomas Kent, Limerick - Cornelius Colbert,
>> > Galway - Eamonn Ceannt, etc.
>>
>> Yes, it wasn't just a Dublin thing. All 16 of the executed leaders of
>> the Uprising got a station renamed after them in 1966:
>>
>> Pearse Station (after Padraig and William Pearse; formerly Westland
>> Row) Connolly Station (James Connolly, formerly Amiens Street)
>> Heuston Station (Seán Heuston, formerly Kingsbridge)
>> Cork Kent Station (Thomas Kent)
>> Limerick Colbert Station (Con Colbert)
>> Dun Laoghaire Mallin Station (Michael Mallin)
>> Waterford Plunkett Station (Joseph Plunkett)
>> Galway Ceannt Station (Eamonn Ceannt)
>> Dundalk Clarke Station (Thomas Clarke)
>> Drogheda MacBride Station (John MacBride)
>> Sligo MacDiarmada Station (Seán MacDiarmada)
>> Bray Daly Station (Edward Daly)
>> Wexford O’Hanrahan Station (Michael O’Hanrahan)
>> Kilkenny MacDonagh Station (Thomas MacDonagh)
>> Tralee Casement Station (Roger Casement)
>>
>> My fear is that something similar might be suggested for the LO lines.
>
>Personally I'd have preferred letters/numbers, like in NYC... they are
>neutral and easy enough to understand.

Yes, I agree, but doesn't seem to be an option under consideration. We do it with buses, and mainline railways in the
past, but not TfL trains.

In message <8memeip0oijoeia7oa75jo0773q7q3l1ra@4ax.com>, at 13:01:23 on
Sun, 27 Aug 2023, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>On Sun, 27 Aug 2023 12:34:10 +0100, "Blueshirt" <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
>
>>Recliner wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 27 Aug 2023 12:03:16 +0100, "Blueshirt" <blueshirt@indigo.news>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Recliner wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> In the US, they typically name airports after former local mayors that
>>> >> no-one outside the city has heard of, and few in the city remember. At
>>> >> least we don't do that. But in 1966 the Irish renamed the two main
>>> >> Dublin stations after executed revolutionary heroes of the 1916
>>> >> Easter Rising (Seán Heuston and James Connolly).
>>> >
>>> > ... and renamed the third main Dublin station after Padraig Pearse.
>>> >
>>> > And at the same time [1966: the 50th anniversary of the Easter Rising]
>>> > other major Irish railway stations were also suitably renamed after the
>>> > heroes of 1916. Cork - Thomas Kent, Limerick - Cornelius Colbert,
>>> > Galway - Eamonn Ceannt, etc.
>>>
>>> Yes, it wasn't just a Dublin thing. All 16 of the executed leaders of
>>> the Uprising got a station renamed after them in 1966:
>>>
>>> Pearse Station (after Padraig and William Pearse; formerly Westland
>>> Row) Connolly Station (James Connolly, formerly Amiens Street)
>>> Heuston Station (Seán Heuston, formerly Kingsbridge)
>>> Cork Kent Station (Thomas Kent)
>>> Limerick Colbert Station (Con Colbert)
>>> Dun Laoghaire Mallin Station (Michael Mallin)
>>> Waterford Plunkett Station (Joseph Plunkett)
>>> Galway Ceannt Station (Eamonn Ceannt)
>>> Dundalk Clarke Station (Thomas Clarke)
>>> Drogheda MacBride Station (John MacBride)
>>> Sligo MacDiarmada Station (Seán MacDiarmada)
>>> Bray Daly Station (Edward Daly)
>>> Wexford O’Hanrahan Station (Michael O’Hanrahan)
>>> Kilkenny MacDonagh Station (Thomas MacDonagh)
>>> Tralee Casement Station (Roger Casement)
>>>
>>> My fear is that something similar might be suggested for the LO lines.
>>
>>Personally I'd have preferred letters/numbers, like in NYC... they are
>>neutral and easy enough to understand.
>
>Yes, I agree, but doesn't seem to be an option under consideration. We
>do it with buses, and mainline railways in the past, but not TfL
>trains.

Or like the Bakerloo, after what was once the two ends.
--
Roland Perry

On Sun, 27 Aug 2023 09:26:29 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> wrote:
>> According to Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com>:
>>> Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
><http://www.chiswickw4.com/default.asp?section=community&link=http://neighbourn
>et.com/server/common/conoverground011.htm>
>>>
>>> After all this time, I thought they'd have chosen the names by now?
>>>
>>> I certainly hope Goblin survives as one of the official names. But I
>>> suspect that the DC Lines will get a new name.
>>
>> I'm looking forward to riding on Tracky McTrackFace.
>
>My fear is that they'll want to name lines after some socialist hero of the
>past who once lived along the route.

Or even current ones. The Lynch Line has a certain ring to it.

On Sun, 27 Aug 2023 12:21:41 +0100
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Sun, 27 Aug 2023 12:03:16 +0100, "Blueshirt" <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
>>And at the same time [1966: the 50th anniversary of the Easter Rising]
>>other major Irish railway stations were also suitably renamed after the
>>heroes of 1916. Cork - Thomas Kent, Limerick - Cornelius Colbert, Galway -
>>Eamonn Ceannt, etc.
>
>Yes, it wasn't just a Dublin thing. All 16 of the executed leaders of the
>Uprising got a station renamed after them in
>1966:
>
> Pearse Station (after Padraig and William Pearse; formerly Westland Row)
> Connolly Station (James Connolly, formerly Amiens Street)
> Heuston Station (Seán Heuston, formerly Kingsbridge)
> Cork Kent Station (Thomas Kent)
> Limerick Colbert Station (Con Colbert)
> Dun Laoghaire Mallin Station (Michael Mallin)
> Waterford Plunkett Station (Joseph Plunkett)
> Galway Ceannt Station (Eamonn Ceannt)
> Dundalk Clarke Station (Thomas Clarke)
> Drogheda MacBride Station (John MacBride)
> Sligo MacDiarmada Station (Seán MacDiarmada)
> Bray Daly Station (Edward Daly)
> Wexford O’Hanrahan Station (Michael O’Hanrahan)
> Kilkenny MacDonagh Station (Thomas MacDonagh)
> Tralee Casement Station (Roger Casement)
>
>My fear is that something similar might be suggested for the LO lines.

Far more likely these days is they're named after some ethnic minority "hero"
or "community leader" that no one outside tottenham or who doesnt watch drill
videos has ever heard of.

On Sun, 27 Aug 2023 13:01:23 +0100
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Sun, 27 Aug 2023 12:34:10 +0100, "Blueshirt" <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
>>Personally I'd have preferred letters/numbers, like in NYC... they are
>>neutral and easy enough to understand.
>
>Yes, I agree, but doesn't seem to be an option under consideration. We do it
>with buses, and mainline railways in the
>past, but not TfL trains.

France still does it with their trains. You don't have to spend 5 mins gazing
at a board to see if the 9.05 to Sheeps Farting actually stops at your station,
you just get the P22 service or whatever and you know it will.

Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
>
> Far more likely these days is they're named after some ethnic minority
> "hero" or "community leader" that no one outside tottenham or who doesnt
> watch drill videos has ever heard of.

The "Bernie Grant Line"? Surely not?! ;-)

On Sun, 27 Aug 2023 14:53:35 +0100, "Blueshirt" <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:

>Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
>>
>> Far more likely these days is they're named after some ethnic minority
>> "hero" or "community leader" that no one outside tottenham or who doesnt
>> watch drill videos has ever heard of.
>
>The "Bernie Grant Line"? Surely not?! ;-)

He was MP for Tottenham...

According to Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com>:
>In the US, they typically name airports after former local mayors that
>no-one outside the city has heard of,

Not really. Logan Airport in Boston is named after a WWI general who
was later active in state politics. O'Hare in Chicago is named after a
WW II figher ace. (We skip over the detail that his father was Al
Capone's lawyer.)

La Guardia in New York is indeed named after a former mayor, but one
who was nationally famous. JFK in New York I suspect you can figure
out.

In Washington DC, Dulles airport was named after our leading cold warrior
and everyone agrees that renaming National airport after Ronald Reagan
who ostentatiously disliked the city made no sense.

The Houston airport is named after US President George H.W. Bush.

The Atlanta airport was indeed named after obscure local official
William B. Hartsfield but they later added Maynard Jackson who was
both the mayor and a nationally prominent civil rights figure.

Personally, I think that the airport in Rio de Janeiro has an excellent name.

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John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> wrote:
> According to Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com>:
> >In the US, they typically name airports after former local mayors that
> >no-one outside the city has heard of,
>
> Not really. Logan Airport in Boston is named after a WWI general who
> was later active in state politics. O'Hare in Chicago is named after a
> WW II figher ace. (We skip over the detail that his father was Al
> Capone's lawyer.)

The other category of airport names would be famous aviators, in which I can
count Sydney (AU) and Istanbul SAW. Any more?

Theo

According to Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk>:
>John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> wrote:
>> According to Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com>:
>> >In the US, they typically name airports after former local mayors that
>> >no-one outside the city has heard of,
>>
>> Not really. Logan Airport in Boston is named after a WWI general who
>> was later active in state politics. O'Hare in Chicago is named after a
>> WW II figher ace. (We skip over the detail that his father was Al
>> Capone's lawyer.)
>
>The other category of airport names would be famous aviators, in which I can
>count Sydney (AU) and Istanbul SAW. Any more?

Billy Bishop in Toronto, WW I flying ace

Billy Mitchell in Milwaukee WI USA, US air force

Jorge Newbery in Buenos Aires, locally famous aviator

Benitez in Santiago, founder of the Chilean air force

There's lots more but the airports are pretty small.

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