There were 8 games.
Four were severely affected by rain and are hence discounted

Of the remainder of the games only that between Somerset and Hampshire (Somerset win) can be said to have been a dominant performance by the most esteemed side.

The other finalist in the Bob Willis Trophy Essex suffered a very heavy defeat against a side which had not won a CC game in the preceding 3 seasons.,

Of the other wins by Glocs and Northants, these counties could reasonably be said to have been the weaker sides based on the 2019 CC results .

Let there be no more nonsense about there being a huge difference in quality between the first and second CC sides.
RH
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Gloucs won by 7 wickets

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(63.2 ov)
106 & 215
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441/9d
Northants won by an innings and 120 runs

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79 & 258
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(0.1 ov, target 2)
336 & 2/0
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99 & 194
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323
Notts won by an innings and 30 runs

On Monday, 10 May 2021 at 08:05:37 UTC+1, RH wrote:
> There were 8 games.
> Four were severely affected by rain and are hence discounted
>
> Of the remainder of the games only that between Somerset and Hampshire (Somerset win) can be said to have been a dominant performance by the most esteemed side.
>
> The other finalist in the Bob Willis Trophy Essex suffered a very heavy defeat against a side which had not won a CC game in the preceding 3 seasons.,
>
> Of the other wins by Glocs and Northants, these counties could reasonably be said to have been the weaker sides based on the 2019 CC results .

Gloucs and Northants finished in the top 3 of Div 2 in 2019, whilst Sussex and Middx finished 6th and 8th of the same division.

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/county-div-2-2019-1166901/points-table-standings

>
> Let there be no more nonsense about there being a huge difference in quality between the first and second CC sides.
> RH

On Monday, 10 May 2021 at 13:51:07 UTC+1, Toby Briggs wrote:
> On Monday, 10 May 2021 at 08:05:37 UTC+1, RH wrote:
> > There were 8 games.
> > Four were severely affected by rain and are hence discounted
> >
> > Of the remainder of the games only that between Somerset and Hampshire (Somerset win) can be said to have been a dominant performance by the most esteemed side.
> >
> > The other finalist in the Bob Willis Trophy Essex suffered a very heavy defeat against a side which had not won a CC game in the preceding 3 seasons.,

Notts won 4 games in 2018.

> >
> > Of the other wins by Glocs and Northants, these counties could reasonably be said to have been the weaker sides based on the 2019 CC results .
> Gloucs and Northants finished in the top 3 of Div 2 in 2019, whilst Sussex and Middx finished 6th and 8th of the same division.
>
> https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/county-div-2-2019-1166901/points-table-standings
> >
> > Let there be no more nonsense about there being a huge difference in quality between the first and second CC sides.
> > RH

On Monday, 10 May 2021 at 08:05:37 UTC+1, RH wrote:
> There were 8 games.
> Four were severely affected by rain and are hence discounted
>
> Of the remainder of the games only that between Somerset and Hampshire (Somerset win) can be said to have been a dominant performance by the most esteemed side.
>
> The other finalist in the Bob Willis Trophy Essex suffered a very heavy defeat against a side which had not won a CC game in the preceding 3 seasons.,

That's a bit of an exaggeration. Notts did not win any CC matches in 2019, or any of their 5 BWT matches last year, but they won 4 CC matches in 2018.

> Of the other wins by Glocs and Northants, these counties could reasonably be said to have been the weaker sides based on the 2019 CC results .

Which results - the ones between those particular pairs of teams? Gloucs and Northants finished 3rd and 2nd in D2 in 2019, while Middx and Sussex were 8th and 6th in D2.

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On Mon, 10 May 2021 06:00:13 -0700 (PDT), David North
<nospam@lane-farm.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:

>On Monday, 10 May 2021 at 08:05:37 UTC+1, RH wrote:
>> There were 8 games.
>> Four were severely affected by rain and are hence discounted
>>
>> Of the remainder of the games only that between Somerset and Hampshire (Somerset win) can be said to have been a dominant performance by the most esteemed side.
>>
>> The other finalist in the Bob Willis Trophy Essex suffered a very heavy defeat against a side which had not won a CC game in the preceding 3 seasons.,
>
>That's a bit of an exaggeration. Notts did not win any CC matches in 2019, or any of their 5 BWT matches last year, but they won 4 CC matches in 2018.
>
>> Of the other wins by Glocs and Northants, these counties could reasonably be said to have been the weaker sides based on the 2019 CC results .
>
>Which results - the ones between those particular pairs of teams? Gloucs and Northants finished 3rd and 2nd in D2 in 2019, while Middx and Sussex were 8th and 6th in D2.

Henderson attempts eisegesis through cricket statistics again, and is
corrected again. Get him a bigger barrel to flounder in.

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On Mon, 10 May 2021 05:51:06 -0700 (PDT), Toby Briggs
<toby.briggs@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Monday, 10 May 2021 at 08:05:37 UTC+1, RH wrote:
>> There were 8 games.
>> Four were severely affected by rain and are hence discounted
>>
>> Of the remainder of the games only that between Somerset and Hampshire (Somerset win) can be said to have been a dominant performance by the most esteemed side.
>>
>> The other finalist in the Bob Willis Trophy Essex suffered a very heavy defeat against a side which had not won a CC game in the preceding 3 seasons.,
>>
>> Of the other wins by Glocs and Northants, these counties could reasonably be said to have been the weaker sides based on the 2019 CC results .
>
>Gloucs and Northants finished in the top 3 of Div 2 in 2019, whilst Sussex and Middx finished 6th and 8th of the same division.
>
>https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/county-div-2-2019-1166901/points-table-standings
>
>>
>> Let there be no more nonsense about there being a huge difference in quality between the first and second CC sides.

The society for prevention of cruelty to dead horses has been notified
that the imbecile intends to keep flogging this one for eternity,
despite the fact that it matters not one whit.

Cheers,

Mike

On Monday, May 10, 2021 at 1:54:26 PM UTC+1, Toby Briggs wrote:
> On Monday, 10 May 2021 at 13:51:07 UTC+1, Toby Briggs wrote:
> > On Monday, 10 May 2021 at 08:05:37 UTC+1, RH wrote:
> > > There were 8 games.
> > > Four were severely affected by rain and are hence discounted
> > >
> > > Of the remainder of the games only that between Somerset and Hampshire (Somerset win) can be said to have been a dominant performance by the most esteemed side.
> > >
> > > The other finalist in the Bob Willis Trophy Essex suffered a very heavy defeat against a side which had not won a CC game in the preceding 3 seasons.,
> Notts won 4 games in 2018.

That doesn't undermine my point about the status of Notts. RH

> > >
> > > Of the other wins by Glocs and Northants, these counties could reasonably be said to have been the weaker sides based on the 2019 CC results .
> > Gloucs and Northants finished in the top 3 of Div 2 in 2019, whilst Sussex and Middx finished 6th and 8th of the same division.

So what? Had there been a normal 2020 one would have been in Division 1. RH

> >
> > https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/county-div-2-2019-1166901/points-table-standings
> > >
> > > Let there be no more nonsense about there being a huge difference in quality between the first and second CC sides.
> > > RH

On Tuesday, 11 May 2021 at 14:11:39 UTC+1, RH wrote:
> On Monday, May 10, 2021 at 1:54:26 PM UTC+1, Toby Briggs wrote:
> > On Monday, 10 May 2021 at 13:51:07 UTC+1, Toby Briggs wrote:
> > > On Monday, 10 May 2021 at 08:05:37 UTC+1, RH wrote:
> > > > There were 8 games.
> > > > Four were severely affected by rain and are hence discounted
> > > >
> > > > Of the remainder of the games only that between Somerset and Hampshire (Somerset win) can be said to have been a dominant performance by the most esteemed side.
> > > >
> > > > The other finalist in the Bob Willis Trophy Essex suffered a very heavy defeat against a side which had not won a CC game in the preceding 3 seasons.,
> > Notts won 4 games in 2018.
> That doesn't undermine my point about the status of Notts. RH

But your statement was wrong.

> > > >
> > > > Of the other wins by Glocs and Northants, these counties could reasonably be said to have been the weaker sides based on the 2019 CC results .
> > > Gloucs and Northants finished in the top 3 of Div 2 in 2019, whilst Sussex and Middx finished 6th and 8th of the same division.
> So what? Had there been a normal 2020 one would have been in Division 1. RH

You have just debunked your own statement.

> > >
> > > https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/county-div-2-2019-1166901/points-table-standings
> > > >
> > > > Let there be no more nonsense about there being a huge difference in quality between the first and second CC sides.
> > > > RH

On Tuesday, May 11, 2021 at 5:29:09 PM UTC+1, Toby Briggs wrote:
> On Tuesday, 11 May 2021 at 14:11:39 UTC+1, RH wrote:
> > On Monday, May 10, 2021 at 1:54:26 PM UTC+1, Toby Briggs wrote:
> > > On Monday, 10 May 2021 at 13:51:07 UTC+1, Toby Briggs wrote:
> > > > On Monday, 10 May 2021 at 08:05:37 UTC+1, RH wrote:
> > > > > There were 8 games.
> > > > > Four were severely affected by rain and are hence discounted
> > > > >
> > > > > Of the remainder of the games only that between Somerset and Hampshire (Somerset win) can be said to have been a dominant performance by the most esteemed side.
> > > > >
> > > > > The other finalist in the Bob Willis Trophy Essex suffered a very heavy defeat against a side which had not won a CC game in the preceding 3 seasons.,
> > > Notts won 4 games in 2018.
> > That doesn't undermine my point about the status of Notts. RH
> But your statement was wrong.

Irrelevant because my point stands regardless of the exact facts ... RH

> > > > >
> > > > > Of the other wins by Glocs and Northants, these counties could reasonably be said to have been the weaker sides based on the 2019 CC results .
> > > > Gloucs and Northants finished in the top 3 of Div 2 in 2019, whilst Sussex and Middx finished 6th and 8th of the same division.
> > So what? Had there been a normal 2020 one would have been in Division 1. RH
> You have just debunked your own statement.

How? RH

> > > >
> > > > https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/county-div-2-2019-1166901/points-table-standings
> > > > >
> > > > > Let there be no more nonsense about there being a huge difference in quality between the first and second CC sides.
> > > > > RH

On Monday, May 10, 2021 at 8:05:37 AM UTC+1, RH wrote:
> There were 8 games.
> Four were severely affected by rain and are hence discounted
>
> Of the remainder of the games only that between Somerset and Hampshire (Somerset win) can be said to have been a dominant performance by the most esteemed side.
>
> The other finalist in the Bob Willis Trophy Essex suffered a very heavy defeat against a side which had not won a CC game in the preceding 3 seasons.,
>
> Of the other wins by Glocs and Northants, these counties could reasonably be said to have been the weaker sides based on the 2019 CC results .
>
> Let there be no more nonsense about there being a huge difference in quality between the first and second CC sides.

as the 2 divisions structure has been abandoned and the current competition
doesnt seem to involve promotion/relegation, they might as well just have all
the counties back together and play each other once a season.

mike

On Tue, 11 May 2021 13:37:17 -0700 (PDT), mike <dmike204@yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:

>On Monday, May 10, 2021 at 8:05:37 AM UTC+1, RH wrote:
>> There were 8 games.
>> Four were severely affected by rain and are hence discounted
>>
>> Of the remainder of the games only that between Somerset and Hampshire (Somerset win) can be said to have been a dominant performance by the most esteemed side.
>>
>> The other finalist in the Bob Willis Trophy Essex suffered a very heavy defeat against a side which had not won a CC game in the preceding 3 seasons.,
>>
>> Of the other wins by Glocs and Northants, these counties could reasonably be said to have been the weaker sides based on the 2019 CC results .
>>
>> Let there be no more nonsense about there being a huge difference in quality between the first and second CC sides.
>
>as the 2 divisions structure has been abandoned and the current competition
>doesnt seem to involve promotion/relegation, they might as well just have all
>the counties back together and play each other once a season.
>
>mike

How do you get revenge if you only play the enemy once?

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On Tue, 11 May 2021 22:31:00 +0100, max.it <max@tea.time> wrote:

>On Tue, 11 May 2021 13:37:17 -0700 (PDT), mike <dmike204@yahoo.co.uk>
>wrote:
>
>>On Monday, May 10, 2021 at 8:05:37 AM UTC+1, RH wrote:
>>> There were 8 games.
>>> Four were severely affected by rain and are hence discounted
>>>
>>> Of the remainder of the games only that between Somerset and Hampshire (Somerset win) can be said to have been a dominant performance by the most esteemed side.
>>>
>>> The other finalist in the Bob Willis Trophy Essex suffered a very heavy defeat against a side which had not won a CC game in the preceding 3 seasons.,
>>>
>>> Of the other wins by Glocs and Northants, these counties could reasonably be said to have been the weaker sides based on the 2019 CC results .
>>>
>>> Let there be no more nonsense about there being a huge difference in quality between the first and second CC sides.
>>
>>as the 2 divisions structure has been abandoned and the current competition
>>doesnt seem to involve promotion/relegation, they might as well just have all
>>the counties back together and play each other once a season.

That would be 17 matches rather than 14.

Since the divisions for the final placings depend on the results of
the group matches earlier in the season, and the groups change each
season based on the results in the divisional matches, the concept of
promotion and relegation is irrelevant. The divisional matches ensure
that at the end all the best teams each season play each other, all
the middling teams play each other, and the poor teams play each
other.

In order to please the imbecile, though, we can be assured that the
performances in the div 1 matches each season will do the most to
enhance the players' reputations, and that people will assert that
there is definitely a difference in quality between div 1 and div 3.
That this would be blindingly obvious to all but the most pigheaded
will be irrelevant: the imbecile will persist in his belief that
results and facts don't matter and that as long as he says all the
counties are of identical quality, that's what they are.

Cheers,

Mike

On 11/05/2021 19:33, RH wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 11, 2021 at 5:29:09 PM UTC+1, Toby Briggs wrote:
>> On Tuesday, 11 May 2021 at 14:11:39 UTC+1, RH wrote:
>>> On Monday, May 10, 2021 at 1:54:26 PM UTC+1, Toby Briggs wrote:
>>>> On Monday, 10 May 2021 at 13:51:07 UTC+1, Toby Briggs wrote:
>>>>> On Monday, 10 May 2021 at 08:05:37 UTC+1, RH wrote:
>>>>>> There were 8 games.
>>>>>> Four were severely affected by rain and are hence discounted
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Of the remainder of the games only that between Somerset and Hampshire (Somerset win) can be said to have been a dominant performance by the most esteemed side.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The other finalist in the Bob Willis Trophy Essex suffered a very heavy defeat against a side which had not won a CC game in the preceding 3 seasons.,
>>>> Notts won 4 games in 2018.
>>> That doesn't undermine my point about the status of Notts. RH
>> But your statement was wrong.
>
> Irrelevant because my point stands regardless of the exact facts ... RH
>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Of the other wins by Glocs and Northants, these counties could reasonably be said to have been the weaker sides based on the 2019 CC results .
>>>>> Gloucs and Northants finished in the top 3 of Div 2 in 2019, whilst Sussex and Middx finished 6th and 8th of the same division.
>>> So what? Had there been a normal 2020 one would have been in Division 1. RH

Actually, both would have been in Division 1, as three teams were
promoted and only one relegated. Division 1 was being expanded from 8 to
10 teams.

>> You have just debunked your own statement.
>
> How? RH
I'm not sure which statement Toby is referring to.

There's the one above: "Of the other wins by Glocs and Northants, these
counties could reasonably be said to have been the weaker sides based on
the 2019 CC results", where you claimed that the two sides who would
have been in D1 in 2020 were weaker than the two who would have stayed
in D2.

Or there's this one from a couple of weeks ago: "We can only compare
the present situation with what is not what might have happened....The
2019 two division Championship positions are the latest data on which
to make a comparison. The fact that a county may have been notionally in
a higher or lower division at the end of the 2019 (in the sense that
that at the end of the 2019 season there were demotions and promotions)
is irrelevant. RH"

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On Wed, 12 May 2021 03:31:22 +0100, David North
<nospam@lane-farm.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:

>On 11/05/2021 19:33, RH wrote:
>> On Tuesday, May 11, 2021 at 5:29:09 PM UTC+1, Toby Briggs wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, 11 May 2021 at 14:11:39 UTC+1, RH wrote:
>>>> On Monday, May 10, 2021 at 1:54:26 PM UTC+1, Toby Briggs wrote:
>>>>> On Monday, 10 May 2021 at 13:51:07 UTC+1, Toby Briggs wrote:
>>>>>> On Monday, 10 May 2021 at 08:05:37 UTC+1, RH wrote:
>>>>>>> There were 8 games.
>>>>>>> Four were severely affected by rain and are hence discounted
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Of the remainder of the games only that between Somerset and Hampshire (Somerset win) can be said to have been a dominant performance by the most esteemed side.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The other finalist in the Bob Willis Trophy Essex suffered a very heavy defeat against a side which had not won a CC game in the preceding 3 seasons.,
>>>>> Notts won 4 games in 2018.
>>>> That doesn't undermine my point about the status of Notts. RH
>>> But your statement was wrong.
>>
>> Irrelevant because my point stands regardless of the exact facts ... RH

Translation: I'm right about everything, no matter what evidence you
produce. I am the most arrogantly pigheaded know-nothing you will ever
meet, and there is absolutely no point in arguing with me because
you're wrong.

>>> You have just debunked your own statement.
>>
>> How? RH
>I'm not sure which statement Toby is referring to.
>
>There's the one above: "Of the other wins by Glocs and Northants, these
>counties could reasonably be said to have been the weaker sides based on
>the 2019 CC results", where you claimed that the two sides who would
>have been in D1 in 2020 were weaker than the two who would have stayed
>in D2.
>
>Or there's this one from a couple of weeks ago: "We can only compare
>the present situation with what is not what might have happened....The
>2019 two division Championship positions are the latest data on which
>to make a comparison. The fact that a county may have been notionally in
>a higher or lower division at the end of the 2019 (in the sense that
>that at the end of the 2019 season there were demotions and promotions)
> is irrelevant. RH"

So what we are actually basing things on is the strength of the teams
as they played in the 2018 season, which determined what the divisions
were for 2019. So that's three years ago. What sort of moron thinks
that comparing the strength of sides pre-Brexit, pre-Covid to go with
what would anyway be the natural churn of players moving counties,
retiring and debuting over three years has any validity at all?

Cheers,

Mike

On 11/05/2021 22:31, max.it wrote:
> On Tue, 11 May 2021 13:37:17 -0700 (PDT), mike <dmike204@yahoo.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> On Monday, May 10, 2021 at 8:05:37 AM UTC+1, RH wrote:
>>> There were 8 games.
>>> Four were severely affected by rain and are hence discounted
>>>
>>> Of the remainder of the games only that between Somerset and Hampshire (Somerset win) can be said to have been a dominant performance by the most esteemed side.
>>>
>>> The other finalist in the Bob Willis Trophy Essex suffered a very heavy defeat against a side which had not won a CC game in the preceding 3 seasons.,
>>>
>>> Of the other wins by Glocs and Northants, these counties could reasonably be said to have been the weaker sides based on the 2019 CC results .
>>>
>>> Let there be no more nonsense about there being a huge difference in quality between the first and second CC sides.
>>
>> as the 2 divisions structure has been abandoned and the current competition
>> doesnt seem to involve promotion/relegation, they might as well just have all
>> the counties back together and play each other once a season.
>>
>> mike
>
> How do you get revenge if you only play the enemy once?
>
> max.it
>
Do you not know the old Klingon saying "Revenge is a dish best savoured
cold". England in April can be very cold.
Steve Hague

On Wed, 12 May 2021 09:53:35 +0100, steve hague
<stevehague82@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 11/05/2021 22:31, max.it wrote:
>> On Tue, 11 May 2021 13:37:17 -0700 (PDT), mike <dmike204@yahoo.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Monday, May 10, 2021 at 8:05:37 AM UTC+1, RH wrote:
>>>> There were 8 games.
>>>> Four were severely affected by rain and are hence discounted
>>>>
>>>> Of the remainder of the games only that between Somerset and Hampshire (Somerset win) can be said to have been a dominant performance by the most esteemed side.
>>>>
>>>> The other finalist in the Bob Willis Trophy Essex suffered a very heavy defeat against a side which had not won a CC game in the preceding 3 seasons.,
>>>>
>>>> Of the other wins by Glocs and Northants, these counties could reasonably be said to have been the weaker sides based on the 2019 CC results .
>>>>
>>>> Let there be no more nonsense about there being a huge difference in quality between the first and second CC sides.
>>>
>>> as the 2 divisions structure has been abandoned and the current competition
>>> doesnt seem to involve promotion/relegation, they might as well just have all
>>> the counties back together and play each other once a season.
>>>
>>> mike
>>
>> How do you get revenge if you only play the enemy once?
>>
>> max.it
>>
>Do you not know the old Klingon saying "Revenge is a dish best savoured
>cold". England in April can be very cold.
>Steve Hague

Mr Spock and toilet paper are both good at wiping out klingons.

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On Tuesday, May 11, 2021 at 9:37:17 PM UTC+1, mike wrote:
> On Monday, May 10, 2021 at 8:05:37 AM UTC+1, RH wrote:
> > There were 8 games.
> > Four were severely affected by rain and are hence discounted
> >
> > Of the remainder of the games only that between Somerset and Hampshire (Somerset win) can be said to have been a dominant performance by the most esteemed side.
> >
> > The other finalist in the Bob Willis Trophy Essex suffered a very heavy defeat against a side which had not won a CC game in the preceding 3 seasons.,
> >
> > Of the other wins by Glocs and Northants, these counties could reasonably be said to have been the weaker sides based on the 2019 CC results .
> >
> > Let there be no more nonsense about there being a huge difference in quality between the first and second CC sides.
> as the 2 divisions structure has been abandoned and the current competition
> doesnt seem to involve promotion/relegation, they might as well just have all
> the counties back together and play each other once a season.
>
> mike

Exactly what I have been advocating, a one division CC as there was for the first 150 years or so of the CC

People who did not grow up with the old CC might think it would be a competition so dominated by the stronger counties to make it boring do not understand how it worked for the fans. A good season for Surrey and Yorks might be winning the championship but for the likes of Leics and Northants to finish in the top six would be thought of as a triumph. . There would also be derbys between say, Gloucester and Somerset. Mddx vSurrey and the Roses matches. In a poor season for Lancashire beating Yorkshire would make it at least a tolerable one. RH

>for the likes of Leics and Northants to finish in the top six would be thought of as a triumph.

How dull

On 12/05/2021 15:44, RH wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 11, 2021 at 9:37:17 PM UTC+1, mike wrote:
>> On Monday, May 10, 2021 at 8:05:37 AM UTC+1, RH wrote:
>>> There were 8 games.
>>> Four were severely affected by rain and are hence discounted
>>>
>>> Of the remainder of the games only that between Somerset and Hampshire (Somerset win) can be said to have been a dominant performance by the most esteemed side.
>>>
>>> The other finalist in the Bob Willis Trophy Essex suffered a very heavy defeat against a side which had not won a CC game in the preceding 3 seasons.,
>>>
>>> Of the other wins by Glocs and Northants, these counties could reasonably be said to have been the weaker sides based on the 2019 CC results .
>>>
>>> Let there be no more nonsense about there being a huge difference in quality between the first and second CC sides.
>> as the 2 divisions structure has been abandoned and the current competition
>> doesnt seem to involve promotion/relegation, they might as well just have all
>> the counties back together and play each other once a season.
>
> Exactly what I have been advocating, a one division CC as there was for the first 150 years or so of the CC
>
> People who did not grow up with the old CC might think it would be a competition so dominated by the stronger counties to make it boring do not understand how it worked for the fans. A good season for Surrey and Yorks might be winning the championship but for the likes of Leics and Northants to finish in the top six would be thought of as a triumph. .

The equivalent of that in the current system would be getting into
Division 1 at the end of the group stage, which seems like a much more
solid achievement than reaching an arbitrary position in the table that
had no particular consequence.

> There would also be derbys between say, Gloucester and Somerset. Mddx vSurrey and the Roses matches. In a poor season for Lancashire beating Yorkshire would make it at least a tolerable one. RH

In case you hadn't noticed, all of those derbies are due to take place
this season - twice. AIUI, such pairs of teams are put in the same group
where possible within the seeding system.

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On Thursday, May 13, 2021 at 4:45:34 AM UTC+1, nos...@lane-farm.fsnet.co.uk wrote:
> On 12/05/2021 15:44, RH wrote:
> > On Tuesday, May 11, 2021 at 9:37:17 PM UTC+1, mike wrote:
> >> On Monday, May 10, 2021 at 8:05:37 AM UTC+1, RH wrote:
> >>> There were 8 games.
> >>> Four were severely affected by rain and are hence discounted
> >>>
> >>> Of the remainder of the games only that between Somerset and Hampshire (Somerset win) can be said to have been a dominant performance by the most esteemed side.
> >>>
> >>> The other finalist in the Bob Willis Trophy Essex suffered a very heavy defeat against a side which had not won a CC game in the preceding 3 seasons.,
> >>>
> >>> Of the other wins by Glocs and Northants, these counties could reasonably be said to have been the weaker sides based on the 2019 CC results .
> >>>
> >>> Let there be no more nonsense about there being a huge difference in quality between the first and second CC sides.
> >> as the 2 divisions structure has been abandoned and the current competition
> >> doesnt seem to involve promotion/relegation, they might as well just have all
> >> the counties back together and play each other once a season.
> >
> > Exactly what I have been advocating, a one division CC as there was for the first 150 years or so of the CC
> >
> > People who did not grow up with the old CC might think it would be a competition so dominated by the stronger counties to make it boring do not understand how it worked for the fans. A good season for Surrey and Yorks might be winning the championship but for the likes of Leics and Northants to finish in the top six would be thought of as a triumph. .
> The equivalent of that in the current system would be getting into
> Division 1 at the end of the group stage, which seems like a much more
> solid achievement than reaching an arbitrary position in the table that
> had no particular consequence.
> > There would also be derbys between say, Gloucester and Somerset. Mddx vSurrey and the Roses matches. In a poor season for Lancashire beating Yorkshire would make it at least a tolerable one. RH
> In case you hadn't noticed, all of those derbies are due to take place
> this season - twice. AIUI, such pairs of teams are put in the same group
> where possible within the seeding system.
>
> --
> David North

Irrelevant to the preference for the old CC.. The present situation is preferable to the two divisions but inferior to the old CC... RH

On Thu, 13 May 2021 04:45:32 +0100, David North
<nospam@lane-farm.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:

>
>> There would also be derbys between say, Gloucester and Somerset. Mddx vSurrey and the Roses matches. In a poor season for Lancashire beating Yorkshire would make it at least a tolerable one. RH
>
>In case you hadn't noticed, all of those derbies are due to take place
>this season - twice. AIUI, such pairs of teams are put in the same group
>where possible within the seeding system.

Of course he didn't notice, he hasn't a clue what's going on around
him.
When it comes to brightness. If stupid is 3 watts, Henderson would be
a wet match in a dark cave.

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In message <ig3lmtF7ietU1@mid.individual.net>, David North
<nospam@lane-farm.fsnet.co.uk> writes
>On 12/05/2021 15:44, RH wrote:
>
>> There would also be derbys between say, Gloucester and Somerset. Mddx
>>vSurrey and the Roses matches. In a poor season for Lancashire
>>beating Yorkshire would make it at least a tolerable one. RH
>
>In case you hadn't noticed, all of those derbies are due to take place
>this season - twice. AIUI, such pairs of teams are put in the same
>group where possible within the seeding system.
>

Yes, there will be more local derbies this season than there have been
for decades. The fixture planners have clearly gone to considerable
lengths to put counties in the same group as their traditional rivals.
So there will be two games between Yorks and Lancs, two between Warks
and Worcs, two between Surrey and Middlesex, two between Surrey and
Hants, two between Gloucs and Somerset, and two between Kent and Sussex.

When there were two divisions, a side was not guaranteed any local
derbies at all, and even before that, with a single division with each
side playing each other once, they would have fewer derbies than they
will this season.
--
John Hall "Hard work often pays off after time, but laziness always
pays off now." Anon

On Thursday, May 13, 2021 at 9:24:28 PM UTC+1, John Hall wrote:
> In message <ig3lmt...@mid.individual.net>, David North
> <nos...@lane-farm.fsnet.co.uk> writes
> >On 12/05/2021 15:44, RH wrote:
> >
> >> There would also be derbys between say, Gloucester and Somerset. Mddx
> >>vSurrey and the Roses matches. In a poor season for Lancashire
> >>beating Yorkshire would make it at least a tolerable one. RH
> >
> >In case you hadn't noticed, all of those derbies are due to take place
> >this season - twice. AIUI, such pairs of teams are put in the same
> >group where possible within the seeding system.
> >
> Yes, there will be more local derbies this season than there have been
> for decades. The fixture planners have clearly gone to considerable
> lengths to put counties in the same group as their traditional rivals.
> So there will be two games between Yorks and Lancs, two between Warks
> and Worcs, two between Surrey and Middlesex, two between Surrey and
> Hants, two between Gloucs and Somerset, and two between Kent and Sussex.
>
> When there were two divisions, a side was not guaranteed any local
> derbies at all, and even before that, with a single division with each
> side playing each other once, they would have fewer derbies than they
> will this season.
> --
> John Hall "Hard work often pays off after time, but laziness always
> pays off now." Anon

I did make the point previously that the present CC arrangements are an improvement on the two divisions but a reversion to the old CC would be even better,... RH