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Re: Had an interesting visitor the past few days

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From: xenol...@optusnet.com.au (Xeno)
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 by: Xeno - Thu, 12 May 2022 06:54 UTC

On 12/5/2022 4:08 pm, John_H wrote:
> Noddy wrote:
>> On 11/05/2022 11:43 am, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>> On 10/05/2022 5:51 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>>> and he should be back at work in Victoria by now. Third time now that
>>>> he and his wife visited and we've had a lot of very interesting
>>>> conversations in the short time he was here.
>>>>
>>>> His name I can publish here - Joe Wilson - since he has a thriving
>>>> little business in Victoria called *Heritage Motorsport*. He used to
>>>> have a website but closed it down since he was on the verge of
>>>> retirement a few years back. What does he do? He makes rally car
>>>> suspensions systems and, these days, focuses on shockers and other
>>>> major components like Mcpherson Struts. He will build you a complete
>>>> fully adjustable Mcpherson strut for your rally car.
>>>>
>>>> He does still have a Facebook page;
>>>>
>>>> https://www.facebook.com/heritagemotorsport27/
>>>>
>>>> Joe started out life as a fitter/machinist, no motor mechanic training
>>>> whatsoever. He got into rallying early in his trade career after a
>>>> machining apprenticeship at the Herald Sun newspaper. Since then his
>>>> working life has revolved around cars and the rally scene. You can see
>>>> some examples of his craft on his Facebook page. He once used to
>>>> manufacture OEM Bilstein shocks. I think I have mentioned Joe on
>>>> aus.cars once before. Even though Joe isn't a qualified mechanic, he
>>>> is way more *relevant* to the automotive industry than any Noddy who
>>>> claims to be and that's because he has actually done an apprenticeship
>>>> in a related field. He has also been able to transfer the knowledge
>>>> and skills from the machining trade to automotive and, in the process,
>>>> has become a steering and suspension specialist beyond compare going
>>>> beyond mere repairs to design and manufacture. I was really impressed
>>>> by his strut vernier adjustment for caster and camber - really
>>>> impressive and gives a lot of flexibility with steering geometry.
>>>
>>> Ask him if he knew this man. Name and location...
>>>
>>> https://imgur.com/a/TTSH0mu
>>
>> I'm sure Krypsis is frantically doing a google image search as we speak
>> in an effort to pad out his bullshit with *more* bullshit :)
>>
>> A few interesting points in his fairytale worth noting. Firstly, I don't
>> know why his "mate" bothers making adjustable strut housings when you
>> can buy them on ebay for most cars at cheaper than dirt prices.
>>
>> Secondly, since when did "fitter/machinist" ever become motor trade
>> related?
>>
>> Thirdly, and probably most comical of the lot, would be who the *fuck*
>> "rallies" a Triumph 2500? The fucking safety car would be quicker :)
>
> It's actually a 2.5 PI Mk2, which was a very quick car in it's day,
> (the black panel behind the rear quarter window is the clue).
>
> The Mk1 version placed 2nd and 4th in the 1970 World Cup Rally....
> https://www.ewrc-results.com/final/15639-daily-mirror-london-mexico-world-cup-rally-1970/
>
Omigod, you mean Darren hasn't a clue? How surprising - not!

But you're right, they did well in rallying back in the day. In today's
rallies, the competition would be much more fierce - if the annual rally
up here is anything to go by. The Lucas mechanical PI used on those used
to get problematic as the kilometres clocked up. I reckon one converted
to *modern* Bosch electronic fuel injection would go really well, and be
reliable to boot. I nearly bought a Triumph back in 77, had my eye on
the Stag, but sanity prevailed and I bought something else. I really
wasn't keen on the V8 engine in the Stag and if the venerable 6 cylinder
engine was an option, I'd have likely bought one. The Stag turned out to
be beset with some reliability issues not the least of which was the
cooking up of the engines. Seems I dodged a bullet there.

--
Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

Re: Had an interesting visitor the past few days

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 by: Daryl - Thu, 12 May 2022 06:57 UTC

On 12/5/2022 4:08 pm, John_H wrote:
> Noddy wrote:
>> On 11/05/2022 11:43 am, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>> On 10/05/2022 5:51 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>>> and he should be back at work in Victoria by now. Third time now that
>>>> he and his wife visited and we've had a lot of very interesting
>>>> conversations in the short time he was here.
>>>>
>>>> His name I can publish here - Joe Wilson - since he has a thriving
>>>> little business in Victoria called *Heritage Motorsport*. He used to
>>>> have a website but closed it down since he was on the verge of
>>>> retirement a few years back. What does he do? He makes rally car
>>>> suspensions systems and, these days, focuses on shockers and other
>>>> major components like Mcpherson Struts. He will build you a complete
>>>> fully adjustable Mcpherson strut for your rally car.
>>>>
>>>> He does still have a Facebook page;
>>>>
>>>> https://www.facebook.com/heritagemotorsport27/
>>>>
>>>> Joe started out life as a fitter/machinist, no motor mechanic training
>>>> whatsoever. He got into rallying early in his trade career after a
>>>> machining apprenticeship at the Herald Sun newspaper. Since then his
>>>> working life has revolved around cars and the rally scene. You can see
>>>> some examples of his craft on his Facebook page. He once used to
>>>> manufacture OEM Bilstein shocks. I think I have mentioned Joe on
>>>> aus.cars once before. Even though Joe isn't a qualified mechanic, he
>>>> is way more *relevant* to the automotive industry than any Noddy who
>>>> claims to be and that's because he has actually done an apprenticeship
>>>> in a related field. He has also been able to transfer the knowledge
>>>> and skills from the machining trade to automotive and, in the process,
>>>> has become a steering and suspension specialist beyond compare going
>>>> beyond mere repairs to design and manufacture. I was really impressed
>>>> by his strut vernier adjustment for caster and camber - really
>>>> impressive and gives a lot of flexibility with steering geometry.
>>>
>>> Ask him if he knew this man. Name and location...
>>>
>>> https://imgur.com/a/TTSH0mu
>>
>> I'm sure Krypsis is frantically doing a google image search as we speak
>> in an effort to pad out his bullshit with *more* bullshit :)
>>
>> A few interesting points in his fairytale worth noting. Firstly, I don't
>> know why his "mate" bothers making adjustable strut housings when you
>> can buy them on ebay for most cars at cheaper than dirt prices.
>>
>> Secondly, since when did "fitter/machinist" ever become motor trade
>> related?
>>
>> Thirdly, and probably most comical of the lot, would be who the *fuck*
>> "rallies" a Triumph 2500? The fucking safety car would be quicker :)
>
> It's actually a 2.5 PI Mk2, which was a very quick car in it's day,
> (the black panel behind the rear quarter window is the clue).
>
> The Mk1 version placed 2nd and 4th in the 1970 World Cup Rally....
> https://www.ewrc-results.com/final/15639-daily-mirror-london-mexico-world-cup-rally-1970/
>

Except that that was more than 50yrs ago.
The one Xeno is talking about might be competitive if it just competed
with cars of similar vintage and the rules were such that all the cars
had to remain true to day they were made.
Its also one of the few cars that went from petrol injection back to
carbies due to the very poor reliability of the Lucas PI.
AFAIK the problem was mostly due to a dodgy fuel pump although that
should be easy to fix with a modern fuel pump and pressure regulator.

--
Daryl

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 by: Xeno - Thu, 12 May 2022 07:02 UTC

On 12/5/2022 4:27 pm, Clocky wrote:
> On 12/05/2022 10:38 am, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>> On 11/05/2022 1:24 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>> On 11/5/2022 11:43 am, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>>> On 10/05/2022 5:51 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>>>> and he should be back at work in Victoria by now. Third time now
>>>>> that he and his wife visited and we've had a lot of very
>>>>> interesting conversations in the short time he was here.
>>>>>
>>>>> His name I can publish here - Joe Wilson - since he has a thriving
>>>>> little business in Victoria called *Heritage Motorsport*. He used
>>>>> to have a website but closed it down since he was on the verge of
>>>>> retirement a few years back. What does he do? He makes rally car
>>>>> suspensions systems and, these days, focuses on shockers and other
>>>>> major components like Mcpherson Struts. He will build you a
>>>>> complete fully adjustable Mcpherson strut for your rally car.
>>>>>
>>>>> He does still have a Facebook page;
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/heritagemotorsport27/
>>>>>
>>>>> Joe started out life as a fitter/machinist, no motor mechanic
>>>>> training whatsoever. He got into rallying early in his trade career
>>>>> after a machining apprenticeship at the Herald Sun newspaper. Since
>>>>> then his working life has revolved around cars and the rally scene.
>>>>> You can see some examples of his craft on his Facebook page. He
>>>>> once used to manufacture OEM Bilstein shocks. I think I have
>>>>> mentioned Joe on aus.cars once before. Even though Joe isn't a
>>>>> qualified mechanic, he is way more *relevant* to the automotive
>>>>> industry than any Noddy who claims to be and that's because he has
>>>>> actually done an apprenticeship in a related field. He has also
>>>>> been able to transfer the knowledge and skills from the machining
>>>>> trade to automotive and, in the process, has become a steering and
>>>>> suspension specialist beyond compare going beyond mere repairs to
>>>>> design and manufacture. I was really impressed by his strut vernier
>>>>> adjustment for caster and camber - really impressive and gives a
>>>>> lot of flexibility with steering geometry.
>>>>
>>>> Ask him if he knew this man. Name and location...
>>>>
>>>> https://imgur.com/a/TTSH0mu
>>>>
>>> I have a better idea. Why don't *you* ask him direct? You have Joe's
>>> work phone and email on his Facebook page so there's nothing stopping
>>> you. While you're at it, ask him if he knows *me* and if he was a
>>> visitor here recently. He'll be up your way shortly, or at least to
>>> the Sunny Coast. Work related I think and he's flying up sans missus
>>> this time round!
>>>
>>>
>> Because I asked you to do it.
>
>
> Pffft, defamers don't get to make requests. Contact the guy yourself if
> you want to know. The contact details have been provided.
>
> Off you go.

Isn't it a laugh? They demand such details, then want *me* to do the
work. They are *living in a dream*.

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Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

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 by: Noddy - Thu, 12 May 2022 07:04 UTC

On 12/05/2022 4:08 pm, John_H wrote:
> Noddy wrote:

>>
>> Thirdly, and probably most comical of the lot, would be who the *fuck*
>> "rallies" a Triumph 2500? The fucking safety car would be quicker :)
>
> It's actually a 2.5 PI Mk2, which was a very quick car in it's day,
> (the black panel behind the rear quarter window is the clue).

"Very quick" being highly subjective of course :)

It was tongue-in-cheek comment, but still. If you're into nostalgia
rallying I could think of better cars to use.

> The Mk1 version placed 2nd and 4th in the 1970 World Cup Rally....
> https://www.ewrc-results.com/final/15639-daily-mirror-london-mexico-world-cup-rally-1970/

The humble land crab was a popular and successful rally car in it's day
as well. Personally if I was going to step that far back into the
rallying scene I'd have a Cooper S, a Datsun 1600 or a Mk.I Escort with
the Escort being the preferred weapon.

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Noddy.

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 by: Noddy - Thu, 12 May 2022 07:10 UTC

On 12/05/2022 4:57 pm, Daryl wrote:
> On 12/5/2022 4:08 pm, John_H wrote:

>>> Thirdly, and probably most comical of the lot, would be who the *fuck*
>>> "rallies" a Triumph 2500? The fucking safety car would be quicker :)
>>
>> It's actually a 2.5 PI Mk2, which was a very quick car in it's day,
>> (the black panel behind the rear quarter window is the clue).
>>
>> The Mk1 version placed 2nd and 4th in the 1970 World Cup Rally....
>> https://www.ewrc-results.com/final/15639-daily-mirror-london-mexico-world-cup-rally-1970/
>>
>>
>
>
> Except that that was more than 50yrs ago.
> The one Xeno is talking about might be competitive if it just competed
> with cars of similar vintage and the rules were such that all the cars
> had to remain true to day they were made.

You'd have to be extremely dedicated to want to put time into a Triumph.
They're a bit like a Jag in that they're fun while they're running, but
keeping them running is hard work.

As I said in another post, I could think of better cars to use.....

> Its also one of the few cars that went from petrol injection back to
> carbies due to the very poor reliability of the Lucas PI.
> AFAIK the problem was mostly due to a dodgy fuel pump although that
> should be easy to fix with a modern fuel pump and pressure regulator.

The father of a bloke I worked with at Repco had one from new, and it
was the most hideously unreliable thing you ever heard about. I only
ever saw the thing once from the outside and couldn't tell you what
engine and/or fuel system it had, but the amount of time the son spent
trying to repair it was diabolical. It seemed like it couldn't go more
than a month without some major catastrophe side-lining the thing, and
in the end it was consumed by rust and went to the crusher.

Which was probably were it belonged the day after it was made :)

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 by: Clocky - Thu, 12 May 2022 07:17 UTC

On 12/05/2022 3:04 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 12/05/2022 4:08 pm, John_H wrote:
>> Noddy wrote:
>
>>>
>>> Thirdly, and probably most comical of the lot, would be who the *fuck*
>>> "rallies" a Triumph 2500? The fucking safety car would be quicker :)
>>
>> It's actually a 2.5 PI Mk2, which was a very quick car in it's day,
>> (the black panel behind the rear quarter window is the clue).
>
> "Very quick" being highly subjective of course :)
>
> It was tongue-in-cheek comment

Liar.

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 by: Noddy - Thu, 12 May 2022 07:23 UTC

On 12/05/2022 3:36 pm, jonz@ nothere.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, 11 May 2022 at 18:44:33 UTC+10, Xeno wrote:

>>> You're not aware of highly customised setups? Figures.
>> It does indeed!

> ~~~~~~~~~~~ *Highly customised* struts for fuckin' Triumph 2000`s
> (and other *heritage* vehicles??? <FBG> vernier adjustment even?..
> One word *WHY*?

Yeah, I don't know what's "highly customised" about it. It's a strut.
They've been around for a long time, even with the adjustment functions
that Clueless Clasener was clearly unfamiliar with :)

>>>> Secondly, since when did "fitter/machinist" ever become motor
>>>> trade related?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Since when did the opinion of an unqualified year 9 flunky ever
>>> become trade relevant?

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 1072 iterations of this now!. Original he is *not*.

I offered to show him my year 9 exam certificate on the proviso that he
admit that he made up the whole story about me not completing school and
having failed year 9, but of course he wasn't willing to do that.

No surprises as to why :)

>>>> Thirdly, and probably most comical of the lot, would be who the
>>>> *fuck* "rallies" a Triumph 2500? The fucking safety car would
>>>> be quicker :)
>>>>
>>>
>>> Your engines don't last two laps, who the fuck would want to race
>>> one of your dud builds? You're opinion is worthless in any event
>>> you toxic little man.

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Just another oft repeated *nyah, nyah no you*
> from ms senility!.. :))) (Sans *any* relevance to that which he is
> *attempting* to relate) PFTC.

Actually just to add some truth back into the mix, the engine lasted 2
full dyno sessions, a full test and tune track day and 7 laps at
Bathurst before it died after head grabbed a valve.

Probably because the cylinder head people were a bit too tight on the
clearances, but you'd need to take that up with them as I never did the
head. However what is *abundantly* clear is if the engine was assembled
had a piston to valve clearance issue it would never have survived the
first dyno session, and anyone who had a modicum of experience with
engines would be well aware of that.

Apparently neither Clasener or his clog wearing junior have a modicum of
experience, which is why they live in a world of ridiculous unicorn
riding ignorance :)

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 by: Xeno - Thu, 12 May 2022 07:32 UTC

On 12/5/2022 4:57 pm, Daryl wrote:
> On 12/5/2022 4:08 pm, John_H wrote:
>> Noddy wrote:
>>> On 11/05/2022 11:43 am, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>>> On 10/05/2022 5:51 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>>>> and he should be back at work in Victoria by now. Third time now that
>>>>> he and his wife visited and we've had a lot of very interesting
>>>>> conversations in the short time he was here.
>>>>>
>>>>> His name I can publish here - Joe Wilson - since he has a thriving
>>>>> little business in Victoria called *Heritage Motorsport*. He used to
>>>>> have a website but closed it down since he was on the verge of
>>>>> retirement a few years back. What does he do? He makes rally car
>>>>> suspensions systems and, these days, focuses on shockers and other
>>>>> major components like Mcpherson Struts. He will build you a complete
>>>>> fully adjustable Mcpherson strut for your rally car.
>>>>>
>>>>> He does still have a Facebook page;
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/heritagemotorsport27/
>>>>>
>>>>> Joe started out life as a fitter/machinist, no motor mechanic training
>>>>> whatsoever. He got into rallying early in his trade career after a
>>>>> machining apprenticeship at the Herald Sun newspaper. Since then his
>>>>> working life has revolved around cars and the rally scene. You can see
>>>>> some examples of his craft on his Facebook page. He once used to
>>>>> manufacture OEM Bilstein shocks. I think I have mentioned Joe on
>>>>> aus.cars once before. Even though Joe isn't a qualified mechanic, he
>>>>> is way more *relevant* to the automotive industry than any Noddy who
>>>>> claims to be and that's because he has actually done an apprenticeship
>>>>> in a related field. He has also been able to transfer the knowledge
>>>>> and skills from the machining trade to automotive and, in the process,
>>>>> has become a steering and suspension specialist beyond compare going
>>>>> beyond mere repairs to design and manufacture. I was really impressed
>>>>> by his strut vernier adjustment for caster and camber - really
>>>>> impressive and gives a lot of flexibility with steering geometry.
>>>>
>>>> Ask him if he knew this man. Name and location...
>>>>
>>>> https://imgur.com/a/TTSH0mu
>>>
>>> I'm sure Krypsis is frantically doing a google image search as we speak
>>> in an effort to pad out his bullshit with *more* bullshit :)
>>>
>>> A few interesting points in his fairytale worth noting. Firstly, I don't
>>> know why his "mate" bothers making adjustable strut housings when you
>>> can buy them on ebay for most cars at cheaper than dirt prices.
>>>
>>> Secondly, since when did "fitter/machinist" ever become motor trade
>>> related?
>>>
>>> Thirdly, and probably most comical of the lot, would be who the *fuck*
>>> "rallies" a Triumph 2500? The fucking safety car would be quicker :)
>>
>> It's actually a 2.5 PI Mk2, which was a very quick car in it's day,
>> (the black panel behind the rear quarter window is the clue).
>>
>> The Mk1 version placed 2nd and 4th in the 1970 World Cup Rally....
>> https://www.ewrc-results.com/final/15639-daily-mirror-london-mexico-world-cup-rally-1970/
>>
>>
>
>
> Except that that was more than 50yrs ago.

I will iterate - Joe's business is *Heritage Motorsport*, a niche field
in the rallying world.

> The one Xeno is talking about might be competitive if it just competed
> with cars of similar vintage and the rules were such that all the cars
> had to remain true to day they were made.

Joe has had that car for quite a long time.

> Its also one of the few cars that went from petrol injection back to
> carbies due to the very poor reliability of the Lucas PI.
> AFAIK the problem was mostly due to a dodgy fuel pump although that
> should be easy to fix with a modern fuel pump and pressure regulator.
>
You've been Googling. The reality is that the Lucas mechanical fuel
injection system had *many* issues and they developed with age. The
Bosch mechanical fuel injection system (K Jetronic) was far more
reliable and Triumph should have used that system. I have worked on K
Jetronic systems, they are quite simple really, just not very tolerant
to water. But then, most fuel injections systems are water intolerant.

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(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

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 by: Xeno - Thu, 12 May 2022 07:37 UTC

On 12/5/2022 5:10 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 12/05/2022 4:57 pm, Daryl wrote:
>> On 12/5/2022 4:08 pm, John_H wrote:
>
>>>> Thirdly, and probably most comical of the lot, would be who the *fuck*
>>>> "rallies" a Triumph 2500? The fucking safety car would be quicker :)
>>>
>>> It's actually a 2.5 PI Mk2, which was a very quick car in it's day,
>>> (the black panel behind the rear quarter window is the clue).
>>>
>>> The Mk1 version placed 2nd and 4th in the 1970 World Cup Rally....
>>> https://www.ewrc-results.com/final/15639-daily-mirror-london-mexico-world-cup-rally-1970/
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> Except that that was more than 50yrs ago.
>> The one Xeno is talking about might be competitive if it just competed
>> with cars of similar vintage and the rules were such that all the cars
>> had to remain true to day they were made.
>
> You'd have to be extremely dedicated to want to put time into a Triumph.
> They're a bit like a Jag in that they're fun while they're running, but
> keeping them running is hard work.
>
> As I said in another post, I could think of better cars to use.....
>
>> Its also one of the few cars that went from petrol injection back to
>> carbies due to the very poor reliability of the Lucas PI.
>> AFAIK the problem was mostly due to a dodgy fuel pump although that
>> should be easy to fix with a modern fuel pump and pressure regulator.
>
> The father of a bloke I worked with at Repco had one from new, and it
> was the most hideously unreliable thing you ever heard about. I only
> ever saw the thing once from the outside and couldn't tell you what

You saw it *once*? Sounds like bullshit coming up!

> engine and/or fuel system it had, but the amount of time the son spent

Of course not. You were only a TA at Repco

> trying to repair it was diabolical. It seemed like it couldn't go more
> than a month without some major catastrophe side-lining the thing, and
> in the end it was consumed by rust and went to the crusher.
>
> Which was probably were it belonged the day after it was made :)
>
Yet another bullshit story to back up your bullshit opinion Darren?

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 by: Xeno - Thu, 12 May 2022 07:38 UTC

On 12/5/2022 5:17 pm, Clocky wrote:
> On 12/05/2022 3:04 pm, Noddy wrote:
>> On 12/05/2022 4:08 pm, John_H wrote:
>>> Noddy wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>>> Thirdly, and probably most comical of the lot, would be who the *fuck*
>>>> "rallies" a Triumph 2500? The fucking safety car would be quicker :)
>>>
>>> It's actually a 2.5 PI Mk2, which was a very quick car in it's day,
>>> (the black panel behind the rear quarter window is the clue).
>>
>> "Very quick" being highly subjective of course :)
>>
>> It was tongue-in-cheek comment
>
> Liar.

I'll second that!

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 by: Xeno - Thu, 12 May 2022 07:57 UTC

On 12/5/2022 5:23 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 12/05/2022 3:36 pm, jonz@ nothere.com wrote:
>> On Wednesday, 11 May 2022 at 18:44:33 UTC+10, Xeno wrote:
>
>>>> You're not aware of highly customised setups? Figures.
>>> It does indeed!
>
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~ *Highly customised* struts for fuckin' Triumph 2000`s
>> (and other *heritage* vehicles???  <FBG>  vernier adjustment even?..
>> One word *WHY*?
>
> Yeah, I don't know what's "highly customised" about it. It's a strut.
> They've been around for a long time, even with the adjustment functions
>  that Clueless Clasener was clearly unfamiliar with :)

Puir wee Darren, continuing to show he hasn't a clue about rally car
requirements.
>
>>>>> Secondly, since when did "fitter/machinist" ever become motor
>>>>> trade related?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Since when did the opinion of an unqualified year 9 flunky ever
>>>> become trade relevant?
>
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 1072 iterations of this now!. Original he is *not*.
>
> I offered to show him my year 9 exam certificate on the proviso that he
> admit that he made up the whole story about me not completing school and
> having failed year 9, but of course he wasn't willing to do that.
>
> No surprises as to why :)
>
You, Darren, by your own admission, confirmed that you did not complete
year 9. If you didn't complete year 9, you didn't get to sit the exam.
It is that simple. There are rules for class attendance you know.
>
>>>>> Thirdly, and probably most comical of the lot, would be who the
>>>>> *fuck* "rallies" a Triumph 2500? The fucking safety car would
>>>>> be quicker :)
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Your engines don't last two laps, who the fuck would want to race
>>>> one of your dud builds? You're opinion is worthless in any event
>>>> you toxic little man.
>
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Just another oft repeated *nyah, nyah no you*
>> from ms senility!.. :))) (Sans *any* relevance to that which he is
>> *attempting* to relate) PFTC.
>
> Actually just to add some truth back into the mix, the engine lasted 2
> full dyno sessions, a full test and tune track day and 7 laps at
> Bathurst before it died after head grabbed a valve.

Yeah, yeah, yeah Darren! The head grabbed a valve? The head came *OFF*
the valve Darren. The valve *head* let go Darren. The cause - rapid heat
buildup from compromised seating in a WOT setting. The compromised
seating being caused by the piston hitting the valve edge. The point at
which that valve broke is the hottest point in the entire valve during
operation and, *at WOT*, *any compromise* in its cooling can result in
the valve *overheating* within seconds to the point of failure. Les'
engine was the most perfect example of that.
>
> Probably because the cylinder head people were a bit too tight on the
> clearances, but you'd need to take that up with them as I never did the

Always trying to pin the tale on some other donkey, eh Darren?

> head. However what is *abundantly* clear is if the engine was assembled
> had a piston to valve clearance issue it would never have survived the
> first dyno session, and anyone who had a modicum of experience with
> engines would be well aware of that.

Let's try that again. On a dyno, the *maximum* engine RPM is
*constrained* by the load the dyno places on it. Engine do not rev free
on a dyno, that's a sure way to throw a leg out of bed. On the other
hand, and engine free running on a long downhill run can *easily*
overrev. Conrod straight is named for the engines that do that and throw
a rod on that downhill run. Valve overshoot - same shit. And you
*reduced* the available clearance by using a shim head gasket. That car
would have likely never had an issue as a daily driver but racing
downhill on conrod straight is an entirely different matter.
>
> Apparently neither Clasener or his clog wearing junior have a modicum of
> experience, which is why they live in a world of ridiculous unicorn
> riding ignorance  :)

You are quite clearly showing just how little *experience* you really
have. Your Chev 350 with the Ford 4V head bullshit story proved that
much and your saga with Les' engine just confirmed it. Your problem
Darren is best described in the adage, "a little knowledge is a
dangerous thing". IOW, you don't know what you don't know!

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 by: John_H - Thu, 12 May 2022 09:06 UTC

Daryl wrote:
>On 12/5/2022 4:08 pm, John_H wrote:
>> Noddy wrote:
>
>>> Thirdly, and probably most comical of the lot, would be who the *fuck*
>>> "rallies" a Triumph 2500? The fucking safety car would be quicker :)
>>
>> It's actually a 2.5 PI Mk2, which was a very quick car in it's day,
>> (the black panel behind the rear quarter window is the clue).
>>
>> The Mk1 version placed 2nd and 4th in the 1970 World Cup Rally....
>> https://www.ewrc-results.com/final/15639-daily-mirror-london-mexico-world-cup-rally-1970/
>>
>
>
>Except that that was more than 50yrs ago.
>The one Xeno is talking about might be competitive if it just competed
>with cars of similar vintage and the rules were such that all the cars
>had to remain true to day they were made.

Hence "HERITAGE MOTORSPORT" on the front guard.

>Its also one of the few cars that went from petrol injection back to
>carbies due to the very poor reliability of the Lucas PI.

Rubbish. The same system (Lucas MkII) was used in the Repco 5000 and
was certainly reliable. The system was dropped for road cars because
it couldn't meet emission standards post 1973.

>AFAIK the problem was mostly due to a dodgy fuel pump although that
>should be easy to fix with a modern fuel pump and pressure regulator.

Complete rubbish. Being the first performance fuel injection system
to go into production the main problem was a lack of mechanics who
knew how the system worked, and hence without the slighest clue how to
tune or maintain it.

FWIW I ran a 2.5 PI for years and eventually parked it up when the
octane rating of super petrol became too low for it. I was doing a
lot of long distance travelling at the time and suitable fuel simply
wasn't available at the bowser. From memory it needed something over
100RON which super was before the lead content was reduced around the
early to mid 1980's (my car was a '69 model).

Toby Ponsenby, who used to post here, had a Mk2 PI and swore by it
whereas those who never had a clue usually swore at 'em. :)

--
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 by: Xeno - Thu, 12 May 2022 10:07 UTC

On 12/5/2022 7:06 pm, John_H wrote:
> Daryl wrote:
>> On 12/5/2022 4:08 pm, John_H wrote:
>>> Noddy wrote:
>>
>>>> Thirdly, and probably most comical of the lot, would be who the *fuck*
>>>> "rallies" a Triumph 2500? The fucking safety car would be quicker :)
>>>
>>> It's actually a 2.5 PI Mk2, which was a very quick car in it's day,
>>> (the black panel behind the rear quarter window is the clue).
>>>
>>> The Mk1 version placed 2nd and 4th in the 1970 World Cup Rally....
>>> https://www.ewrc-results.com/final/15639-daily-mirror-london-mexico-world-cup-rally-1970/
>>>
>>
>>
>> Except that that was more than 50yrs ago.
>> The one Xeno is talking about might be competitive if it just competed
>> with cars of similar vintage and the rules were such that all the cars
>> had to remain true to day they were made.
>
> Hence "HERITAGE MOTORSPORT" on the front guard.

It's a significant point, is it not? Joe loves his Triumph.
>
>> Its also one of the few cars that went from petrol injection back to
>> carbies due to the very poor reliability of the Lucas PI.
>
> Rubbish. The same system (Lucas MkII) was used in the Repco 5000 and
> was certainly reliable. The system was dropped for road cars because
> it couldn't meet emission standards post 1973.

Yes, a lot of things changed in the car industry at that time. I moved
away from cars and into the diesel arena so lost track of what was going
on in the car field until I returned to Australia from OS in 79 and was
struck by all the significant changes just in that relatively short
period of time.
>
>> AFAIK the problem was mostly due to a dodgy fuel pump although that
>> should be easy to fix with a modern fuel pump and pressure regulator.
>
> Complete rubbish. Being the first performance fuel injection system
> to go into production the main problem was a lack of mechanics who
> knew how the system worked, and hence without the slighest clue how to
> tune or maintain it.

Which probably explains why they became more problematic as the
kilometres mounted up.
>
> FWIW I ran a 2.5 PI for years and eventually parked it up when the
> octane rating of super petrol became too low for it. I was doing a
> lot of long distance travelling at the time and suitable fuel simply
> wasn't available at the bowser. From memory it needed something over
> 100RON which super was before the lead content was reduced around the
> early to mid 1980's (my car was a '69 model).
>
> Toby Ponsenby, who used to post here, had a Mk2 PI and swore by it
> whereas those who never had a clue usually swore at 'em. :)
>
One of the things that caused unreliability in the early fuel injection
systems was the storage and delivery of the petrol. Most of the farmers
in our district had Benz' and other Euros with Bosch mechanical systems
and fueled them from 44 gallon drums. We had a few that got water into
them, not good. Never saw a Lucas PI system in my district.

--
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(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

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 by: Noddy - Thu, 12 May 2022 10:20 UTC

On 12/05/2022 7:06 pm, John_H wrote:
> Daryl wrote:

> Complete rubbish. Being the first performance fuel injection system
> to go into production the main problem was a lack of mechanics who
> knew how the system worked, and hence without the slighest clue how to
> tune or maintain it.
>
> FWIW I ran a 2.5 PI for years and eventually parked it up when the
> octane rating of super petrol became too low for it.

Thought there must have been some reason why you would defend them :)

> I was doing a lot of long distance travelling at the time and suitable fuel simply
> wasn't available at the bowser. From memory it needed something over
> 100RON which super was before the lead content was reduced around the
> early to mid 1980's (my car was a '69 model).

They were like 9 to 1 compression or so, weren't they? What was the big
deal?

> Toby Ponsenby, who used to post here, had a Mk2 PI and swore by it
> whereas those who never had a clue usually swore at 'em. :)

They didn't gain a reputation of unreliability for nothing. Maybe you
got lucky.

Some people swear by Jaguars, too.

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Regards,
Noddy.

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 by: Xeno - Thu, 12 May 2022 10:31 UTC

On 12/5/2022 8:20 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 12/05/2022 7:06 pm, John_H wrote:
>> Daryl wrote:
>
>> Complete rubbish.  Being the first performance fuel injection system
>> to go into production the main problem was a lack of mechanics who
>> knew how the system worked, and hence without the slighest clue how to
>> tune or maintain it.
>>
>> FWIW I ran a 2.5 PI for years and eventually parked it up when the
>> octane rating of super petrol became too low for it.
>
> Thought there must have been some reason why you would defend them :)

Yeah Darren, looks like John has had *actual experience* with the
marque. You, on the other hand, have none and now you're just talking
out of your arse. You do that a lot!
>
>> I was doing a lot of long distance travelling at the time and suitable
>> fuel simply
>> wasn't available at the bowser.  From memory it needed something over
>> 100RON which super was before the lead content was reduced around the
>> early to mid 1980's (my car was a '69 model).
>
> They were like 9 to 1 compression or so, weren't they? What was the big
> deal?
>
>> Toby Ponsenby, who used to post here, had a Mk2 PI and swore by it
>> whereas those who never had a clue usually swore at 'em.  :)
>
> They didn't gain a reputation of unreliability for nothing. Maybe you
> got lucky.

John explained why they gained that reputation.
>
> Some people swear by Jaguars, too.
>
Jaguars, like a lot of Pommy stuff, require maintenance of the TLC kind.
Euro vehicles are designed the same way. Slack off on the maintenance
and you will suffer.

--
Xeno

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(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

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 by: Daryl - Thu, 12 May 2022 12:40 UTC

On 12/5/2022 7:06 pm, John_H wrote:
> Daryl wrote:
>> On 12/5/2022 4:08 pm, John_H wrote:
>>> Noddy wrote:
>>
>>>> Thirdly, and probably most comical of the lot, would be who the *fuck*
>>>> "rallies" a Triumph 2500? The fucking safety car would be quicker :)
>>>
>>> It's actually a 2.5 PI Mk2, which was a very quick car in it's day,
>>> (the black panel behind the rear quarter window is the clue).
>>>
>>> The Mk1 version placed 2nd and 4th in the 1970 World Cup Rally....
>>> https://www.ewrc-results.com/final/15639-daily-mirror-london-mexico-world-cup-rally-1970/
>>>
>>
>>
>> Except that that was more than 50yrs ago.
>> The one Xeno is talking about might be competitive if it just competed
>> with cars of similar vintage and the rules were such that all the cars
>> had to remain true to day they were made.
>
> Hence "HERITAGE MOTORSPORT" on the front guard.
>
>> Its also one of the few cars that went from petrol injection back to
>> carbies due to the very poor reliability of the Lucas PI.
>
> Rubbish. The same system (Lucas MkII) was used in the Repco 5000 and
> was certainly reliable. The system was dropped for road cars because
> it couldn't meet emission standards post 1973.

From what I read on Google the problem wasn't the injection system but
the fuel pumps and vapor lock?
Very likely the Repco engine didn't use a Triumph fuel pump.
Odd that a carbie engine could meet emissions but a PI engine couldn't
when its usually the other way around?
Was it UK emission standards, didn't think we had any emission rules
till ADR27a in Oct 1976?
>
>> AFAIK the problem was mostly due to a dodgy fuel pump although that
>> should be easy to fix with a modern fuel pump and pressure regulator.
>
> Complete rubbish. Being the first performance fuel injection system
> to go into production the main problem was a lack of mechanics who
> knew how the system worked, and hence without the slighest clue how to
> tune or maintain it.
>
> FWIW I ran a 2.5 PI for years and eventually parked it up when the
> octane rating of super petrol became too low for it. I was doing a
> lot of long distance travelling at the time and suitable fuel simply
> wasn't available at the bowser. From memory it needed something over
> 100RON which super was before the lead content was reduced around the
> early to mid 1980's (my car was a '69 model).

Not saying you are wrong but why would it need higher octane fuel just
because it was fuel injected?
Was it a very high compression engine?
>
> Toby Ponsenby, who used to post here, had a Mk2 PI and swore by it
> whereas those who never had a clue usually swore at 'em. :)
>

I only ever worked on a twin carb version but the PI did have a very bad
rep for reliability which could be as you say due to the lack of
knowledge of the system.

--
Daryl

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 by: Daryl - Thu, 12 May 2022 12:56 UTC

On 12/5/2022 8:20 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 12/05/2022 7:06 pm, John_H wrote:
>> Daryl wrote:
>
>> Complete rubbish.  Being the first performance fuel injection system
>> to go into production the main problem was a lack of mechanics who
>> knew how the system worked, and hence without the slighest clue how to
>> tune or maintain it.
>>
>> FWIW I ran a 2.5 PI for years and eventually parked it up when the
>> octane rating of super petrol became too low for it.
>
> Thought there must have been some reason why you would defend them :)
>
>> I was doing a lot of long distance travelling at the time and suitable
>> fuel simply
>> wasn't available at the bowser.  From memory it needed something over
>> 100RON which super was before the lead content was reduced around the
>> early to mid 1980's (my car was a '69 model).
>
> They were like 9 to 1 compression or so, weren't they? What was the big
> deal?
>
>> Toby Ponsenby, who used to post here, had a Mk2 PI and swore by it
>> whereas those who never had a clue usually swore at 'em.  :)
>
> They didn't gain a reputation of unreliability for nothing. Maybe you
> got lucky.

Or maybe he studied how they worked and meticulously maintained it using
the correct fuel?
Apart from those that worked on diesels very few mechanics back in the
70's would have even seen an engine with fuel injection, I was the other
way around, plenty of diesel injection experience but bugger all petrol
experience.
I remember being told about the same system on a TR6, don't know if its
true but the rumor was that if you forgot to turn off the ign key or
didn't start the engine straight away after turning the key the engine
would flood?

Daryl

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 by: Noddy - Thu, 12 May 2022 13:39 UTC

On 12/05/2022 10:40 pm, Daryl wrote:
> On 12/5/2022 7:06 pm, John_H wrote:

>>> Its also one of the few cars that went from petrol injection back to
>>> carbies due to the very poor reliability of the Lucas PI.
>>
>> Rubbish.  The same system (Lucas MkII) was used in the Repco 5000 and
>> was certainly reliable.  The system was dropped for road cars because
>> it couldn't meet emission standards post 1973.
>
> From what I read on Google the problem wasn't the injection system but
> the fuel pumps and vapor lock?
> Very likely the Repco engine didn't use a Triumph fuel pump.

Nothing like it in fact. The F5000 cars used a mechanically driven pump
whereas the Triumph 2500pi's used an electric pump which by all accounts
was extremely unreliable and the principal reason for the injection
system being dropped in favour of reverting to carburetors.

> Odd that a carbie engine could meet emissions but a PI engine couldn't
> when its usually the other way around?
> Was it UK emission standards, didn't think we had any emission rules
> till ADR27a in Oct 1976?

From the wiki article:

> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triumph_2000

"In October 1968[17] the 2.5 PI (petrol injection) Mk 1 was launched,
fitted with a Lucas Automotive mechanical fuel injection system.
Performance was very good, but the PI models (along with the TR6 models)
gained a reputation for unreliability and poor fuel economy.

In Australia, these models suffered badly because of the summer heat.
The electric fuel pump commonly overheated causing fuel to vaporise and
render the engine inoperable until the pump cooled down. The overheating
of the pump was caused by a combination of very high pressure fuel loads
(over 110 psi (7.6 bar)) and a pump that was adapted from what was
originally a windscreen wiper motor. As such, it did not cope well with
sustained pressures in moderate to high ambient temperatures. Because of
the launch late in the Mk I's life, there are relatively few PIs in the
original shape."

[..]

>> Complete rubbish.  Being the first performance fuel injection system
>> to go into production the main problem was a lack of mechanics who
>> knew how the system worked, and hence without the slighest clue how to
>> tune or maintain it.
>>
>> FWIW I ran a 2.5 PI for years and eventually parked it up when the
>> octane rating of super petrol became too low for it.  I was doing a
>> lot of long distance travelling at the time and suitable fuel simply
>> wasn't available at the bowser.  From memory it needed something over
>> 100RON which super was before the lead content was reduced around the
>> early to mid 1980's (my car was a '69 model).
>
> Not saying you are wrong but why would it need higher octane fuel just
> because it was fuel injected?
> Was it a very high compression engine?

Not as far as I can tell. 9.1:1 is the listed compression ratio, and at
that rating one of the things should run perfectly fine on 91.

>> Toby Ponsenby, who used to post here, had a Mk2 PI and swore by it
>> whereas those who never had a clue usually swore at 'em.  :)
>>
>
> I only ever worked on a twin carb version but the PI did have a very bad
> rep for reliability which could be as you say due to the lack of
> knowledge of the system.

I think they were just a cunt of a car period, but then a *lot* of stuff
that came out of the UK in those days was.

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 by: Noddy - Thu, 12 May 2022 13:54 UTC

On 12/05/2022 10:56 pm, Daryl wrote:
> On 12/5/2022 8:20 pm, Noddy wrote:

>>> I was doing a lot of long distance travelling at the time and
>>> suitable fuel simply
>>> wasn't available at the bowser.  From memory it needed something over
>>> 100RON which super was before the lead content was reduced around the
>>> early to mid 1980's (my car was a '69 model).
>>
>> They were like 9 to 1 compression or so, weren't they? What was the
>> big deal?
>>
>>> Toby Ponsenby, who used to post here, had a Mk2 PI and swore by it
>>> whereas those who never had a clue usually swore at 'em.  :)
>>
>> They didn't gain a reputation of unreliability for nothing. Maybe you
>> got lucky.
>
> Or maybe he studied how they worked and meticulously maintained it using
> the correct fuel?

There's nothing about the engine or the fuel system itself that was
particularly susceptible to octane ratings as far as I can tell. The
engine itself was a pretty old tech device that was no more complicated
than a Holden Red Motor and the fuel system was a basic timed injector
with nothing complicated about it. As John said the injection system was
used in competition engines and it was very successful in many forms of
motorsport all over the world, but as far as I'm aware *none* of those
successful systems used the electric fuel pump used in the Triumph 2500
pi :)

> Apart from those that worked on diesels very few mechanics back in the
> 70's would have even seen an engine with fuel injection, I was the other
> way around, plenty of diesel injection experience but bugger all petrol
> experience.
> I remember being told about the same system on a TR6, don't know if its
> true but the rumor was that if you forgot to turn off the ign key or
> didn't start the engine straight away after turning the key the engine
> would flood?

I would think there would have to be something wrong with it for that to
be the case.

There's some good reading about the history of Lucas Fuel Injection on
this page here:

> http://www.lucasinjection.com/HISTORY.htm

The author lists the many successes of the system in competition use, as
well as in road going cars. He talks of fuel pumps and their notorious
unreliability, and while he also mentions a failure to meet emissions
standards as the last nail in the coffin for the system on road cars it
appears that Triumph had given up and reverted back to carburetors
before this.

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On 12/05/2022 3:57 pm, Xeno wrote:
> On 12/5/2022 5:23 pm, Noddy wrote:
>> On 12/05/2022 3:36 pm, jonz@ nothere.com wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, 11 May 2022 at 18:44:33 UTC+10, Xeno wrote:
>>
>>>>> You're not aware of highly customised setups? Figures.
>>>> It does indeed!
>>
>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~ *Highly customised* struts for fuckin' Triumph 2000`s
>>> (and other *heritage* vehicles???  <FBG>  vernier adjustment even?..
>>> One word *WHY*?
>>
>> Yeah, I don't know what's "highly customised" about it. It's a strut.
>> They've been around for a long time, even with the adjustment
>> functions   that Clueless Clasener was clearly unfamiliar with :)
>
> Puir wee Darren, continuing to show he hasn't a clue about rally car
> requirements.
>>
>>>>>> Secondly, since when did "fitter/machinist" ever become motor
>>>>>> trade related?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Since when did the opinion of an unqualified year 9 flunky ever
>>>>> become trade relevant?
>>
>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 1072 iterations of this now!. Original he is *not*.
>>
>> I offered to show him my year 9 exam certificate on the proviso that
>> he admit that he made up the whole story about me not completing
>> school and having failed year 9, but of course he wasn't willing to do
>> that.
>>
>> No surprises as to why :)
>>
> You, Darren, by your own admission, confirmed that you did not complete
> year 9. If you didn't complete year 9, you didn't get to sit the exam.
> It is that simple. There are rules for class attendance you know.
>>
>>>>>> Thirdly, and probably most comical of the lot, would be who the
>>>>>> *fuck* "rallies" a Triumph 2500? The fucking safety car would
>>>>>> be quicker :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Your engines don't last two laps, who the fuck would want to race
>>>>> one of your dud builds? You're opinion is worthless in any event
>>>>> you toxic little man.
>>
>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Just another oft repeated *nyah, nyah no you*
>>> from ms senility!.. :))) (Sans *any* relevance to that which he is
>>> *attempting* to relate) PFTC.
>>
>> Actually just to add some truth back into the mix, the engine lasted 2
>> full dyno sessions, a full test and tune track day and 7 laps at
>> Bathurst before it died after head grabbed a valve.
>
> Yeah, yeah, yeah Darren! The head grabbed a valve? The head came *OFF*
> the valve Darren. The valve *head* let go Darren. The cause - rapid heat
> buildup from compromised seating in a WOT setting. The compromised
> seating being caused by the piston hitting the valve edge. The point at
> which that valve broke is the hottest point in the entire valve during
> operation and, *at WOT*, *any compromise* in its cooling can result in
> the valve *overheating* within seconds to the point of failure. Les'
> engine was the most perfect example of that.
>>
>> Probably because the cylinder head people were a bit too tight on the
>> clearances, but you'd need to take that up with them as I never did the
>
> Always trying to pin the tale on some other donkey, eh Darren?
>
>> head. However what is *abundantly* clear is if the engine was
>> assembled had a piston to valve clearance issue it would never have
>> survived the first dyno session, and anyone who had a modicum of
>> experience with engines would be well aware of that.
>
> Let's try that again. On a dyno, the *maximum* engine RPM is
> *constrained* by the load the dyno places on it. Engine do not rev free
> on a dyno, that's a sure way to throw a leg out of bed. On the other
> hand, and engine free running on a long downhill run can *easily*
> overrev. Conrod straight is named for the engines that do that and throw
> a rod on that downhill run. Valve overshoot - same shit. And you
> *reduced* the available clearance by using a shim head gasket. That car
> would have likely never had an issue as a daily driver but racing
> downhill on conrod straight is an entirely different matter.
>>
>> Apparently neither Clasener or his clog wearing junior have a modicum
>> of experience, which is why they live in a world of ridiculous unicorn
>> riding ignorance  :)
>
> You are quite clearly showing just how little *experience* you really
> have. Your Chev 350 with the Ford 4V head bullshit story proved that
> much and your saga with Les' engine just confirmed it. Your problem
> Darren is best described in the adage, "a little knowledge is a
> dangerous thing". IOW, you don't know what you don't know!
>
>

There is a reason he is the poster child for the Dunning-Kruger effect!

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 by: jonz@ nothere.com - Fri, 13 May 2022 01:26 UTC

On Thursday, 12 May 2022 at 17:23:48 UTC+10, Noddy wrote:
> On 12/05/2022 3:36 pm, jonz@ nothere.com wrote:
> > On Wednesday, 11 May 2022 at 18:44:33 UTC+10, Xeno wrote:
>
> >>> You're not aware of highly customised setups? Figures.
> >> It does indeed!
>
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~ *Highly customised* struts for fuckin' Triumph 2000`s
> > (and other *heritage* vehicles??? <FBG> vernier adjustment even?..
> > One word *WHY*?
> Yeah, I don't know what's "highly customised" about it. It's a strut.
> They've been around for a long time, even with the adjustment functions
> that Clueless Clasener was clearly unfamiliar with :)
> >>>> Secondly, since when did "fitter/machinist" ever become motor
> >>>> trade related?
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Since when did the opinion of an unqualified year 9 flunky ever
> >>> become trade relevant?
>
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 1072 iterations of this now!. Original he is *not*.
> I offered to show him my year 9 exam certificate on the proviso that he
> admit that he made up the whole story about me not completing school and
> having failed year 9, but of course he wasn't willing to do that.
>
> No surprises as to why :)
> >>>> Thirdly, and probably most comical of the lot, would be who the
> >>>> *fuck* "rallies" a Triumph 2500? The fucking safety car would
> >>>> be quicker :)
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Your engines don't last two laps, who the fuck would want to race
> >>> one of your dud builds? You're opinion is worthless in any event
> >>> you toxic little man.
>
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Just another oft repeated *nyah, nyah no you*
> > from ms senility!.. :))) (Sans *any* relevance to that which he is
> > *attempting* to relate) PFTC.
> Actually just to add some truth back into the mix, the engine lasted 2
> full dyno sessions, a full test and tune track day and 7 laps at
> Bathurst before it died after head grabbed a valve.
>
> Probably because the cylinder head people were a bit too tight on the
> clearances, but you'd need to take that up with them as I never did the
> head. However what is *abundantly* clear is if the engine was assembled
> had a piston to valve clearance issue it would never have survived the
> first dyno session, and anyone who had a modicum of experience with
> engines would be well aware of that.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Yes!.
>
> Apparently neither Clasener or his clog wearing junior have a modicum of
> experience, which is why they live in a world of ridiculous unicorn
> riding ignorance :)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Their *only* purpose in life is to bad mouth, and bring down yourself. By fair means or foul!. (I`ve only seen the latter.)
Fixated fucktards as I am wont to say!. ;)
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> Noddy.

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On Thu, 12 May 2022 17:23:45 +1000, Noddy wrote:


>>>> Since when did the opinion of an unqualified year 9 flunky ever
>>>> become trade relevant?
>
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 1072 iterations of this now!. Original he is *not*.
>
> I offered to show him my year 9 exam certificate on the proviso that he
> admit that he made up the whole story about me not completing school and
> having failed year 9, but of course he wasn't willing to do that.
>
> No surprises as to why :)

Because it's both true and irrelevant.

By your own admission you did not compete Y9 Fraudster. And given the
significant number of your far more serious claims it's of no interest.
(Odd though that you're fighting this one and *none* of those more serious
claims. Cable ties 2 by the look of it.)

And re those "way more serious claims", you have refused to provide any
substantiation of them at all.

"No surprises as to why" hey Fraudster!

alvey
Wondering what a "year 9 exam certificate" is?

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 by: John_H - Fri, 13 May 2022 01:48 UTC

Daryl wrote:
>On 12/5/2022 8:20 pm, Noddy wrote:
>> On 12/05/2022 7:06 pm, John_H wrote:
>>> Daryl wrote:
>
>>> Toby Ponsenby, who used to post here, had a Mk2 PI and swore by it
>>> whereas those who never had a clue usually swore at 'em.  :)
>>
>> They didn't gain a reputation of unreliability for nothing. Maybe you
>> got lucky.
>
>Or maybe he studied how they worked and meticulously maintained it using
>the correct fuel?

Nup, I simply kept it well away from the dickheads who didn't
understand how it worked. They did require relatively frequent
maintenance but it was pretty straightforward for those who were
familiar with the make. Toby used to refer to a Triumph specialist in
Brissy, whose name I've long forgotten.

>Apart from those that worked on diesels very few mechanics back in the
>70's would have even seen an engine with fuel injection, I was the other
>way around, plenty of diesel injection experience but bugger all petrol
>experience.

The worst thing that could possibly happen to a Triumph PI was have it
fall into the hands of a diesel mechanic which many unfortunately did.
The fuel systems are entirely different in their operation,
particularly the injection sequence. Diesels inject at the end of
compression stroke whereas petrol engines (including the modern ones)
inject at the beginning of the induction stroke. The diesel
"specialists" would invariably set the injector timing 360° out of
phase, which meant the engine would still run, albeit badly,
resulting in their looking elsewhere for whatever they perceived to be
the problem and compounding their stuff up in the process.

>I remember being told about the same system on a TR6, don't know if its
>true but the rumor was that if you forgot to turn off the ign key or
>didn't start the engine straight away after turning the key the engine
>would flood?

Definitely not true, since there was absolutely no way fuel could get
to the injectors when the engine wasn't turning over.

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 by: John_H - Fri, 13 May 2022 01:48 UTC

Daryl wrote:
>On 12/5/2022 7:06 pm, John_H wrote:
>> Daryl wrote:
>>> On 12/5/2022 4:08 pm, John_H wrote:
>>>> Noddy wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Thirdly, and probably most comical of the lot, would be who the *fuck*
>>>>> "rallies" a Triumph 2500? The fucking safety car would be quicker :)
>>>>
>>>> It's actually a 2.5 PI Mk2, which was a very quick car in it's day,
>>>> (the black panel behind the rear quarter window is the clue).
>>>>
>>>> The Mk1 version placed 2nd and 4th in the 1970 World Cup Rally....
>>>> https://www.ewrc-results.com/final/15639-daily-mirror-london-mexico-world-cup-rally-1970/
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Except that that was more than 50yrs ago.
>>> The one Xeno is talking about might be competitive if it just competed
>>> with cars of similar vintage and the rules were such that all the cars
>>> had to remain true to day they were made.
>>
>> Hence "HERITAGE MOTORSPORT" on the front guard.
>>
>>> Its also one of the few cars that went from petrol injection back to
>>> carbies due to the very poor reliability of the Lucas PI.
>>
>> Rubbish. The same system (Lucas MkII) was used in the Repco 5000 and
>> was certainly reliable. The system was dropped for road cars because
>> it couldn't meet emission standards post 1973.
>
> From what I read on Google the problem wasn't the injection system but
>the fuel pumps and vapor lock?

Like at lot of Brit and Euro stuff of that era the Mk1 PI, in
particular, wasn't designed for Australian conditions and needed a few
relatively simple mods to get around the vaporisation problem. If the
vaporisation persisted it would also destroy the pump which relied on
fuel for its lubrication. I've also seen a number of modifications
that were badly thought out and simply didn't work.

>Very likely the Repco engine didn't use a Triumph fuel pump.

The main problem was the plumbing and not the pump and even if it ran
on a mechanical pump I don't how they could've started it as the
system needed around 100psi for the metering and injection to operate.
Nor would a mechanical pump overcome any vaporisation problem if the
plumbing wasn't up to the job.

>Odd that a carbie engine could meet emissions but a PI engine couldn't
>when its usually the other way around?

The Lucas system was completely performance orientated, and also
vastly simpler than any EFI arrangement manufactured at the time or
since. IIRC the only EFI system available in 1970 was what Bosch
called ECGI that was still very much in its infancy and certainly no
match for the Lucas MkII performance wise.

>Was it UK emission standards, didn't think we had any emission rules
>till ADR27a in Oct 1976?

Possibly UK or Euro. The last TR6 was sold here in 1974 and was
drastically detuned, presumably as a last ditch effort to meet
emission requirements. Those I know who bought them were bitterly
disappointed with their performance. It was also around the time the
British car industry was rationalised and a number of makes (including
Triumph) were brought together under the British Leyland umbrella and
most of which (including Triumph) turned to shit. The TR6, which had
been a brilliant car in its day, was replaced by a total disaster
called the TR7. Only thing worse to own might've been the equally
infamous Jensen Healey.

>>> AFAIK the problem was mostly due to a dodgy fuel pump although that
>>> should be easy to fix with a modern fuel pump and pressure regulator.
>>
>> Complete rubbish. Being the first performance fuel injection system
>> to go into production the main problem was a lack of mechanics who
>> knew how the system worked, and hence without the slighest clue how to
>> tune or maintain it.
>>
>> FWIW I ran a 2.5 PI for years and eventually parked it up when the
>> octane rating of super petrol became too low for it. I was doing a
>> lot of long distance travelling at the time and suitable fuel simply
>> wasn't available at the bowser. From memory it needed something over
>> 100RON which super was before the lead content was reduced around the
>> early to mid 1980's (my car was a '69 model).
>
>Not saying you are wrong but why would it need higher octane fuel just
>because it was fuel injected?

Nope, mainly because of its high VE (volumetric efficiency) resulting
in a much higher than typical bmep. It was largely achieved by using
individual throttle bodies for each cylinder which fed air directly
into the inlet ports instead of via an inlet manifold.
>Was it a very high compression engine?

9.5:1 static IIRC. The Escort Mk1 twin cam, which was a very
successful rally car of the same era ran around the same CR and I'd
also doubt if it would be able to handle 98RON bowser fuel for the
same reason whereas relatively crude American V8's ran 12:1 or more
but had much lower VE..

>
>I only ever worked on a twin carb version but the PI did have a very bad
>rep for reliability which could be as you say due to the lack of
>knowledge of the system.

Apart from its external appearance thehe 2500TC was a vastly different
car and mainly suffered from a poorer build quality after British
Leyland took over Triumph. Earlier models had a different parent
company and were assembled by AMI Nevertheless the PIs did need
frequent maintenance relative to carburetted cars to keep them running
properly but for all the miles I did in mine reliability was never a
major issue. In fact it was more reliable than the SV Dunnydore I
eventually bought as a replacement which struggled to get me home on a
couple of occasions and needed parts far more often..

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 by: Noddy - Fri, 13 May 2022 02:16 UTC

On 13/05/2022 11:26 am, jonz@ nothere.com wrote:
> On Thursday, 12 May 2022 at 17:23:48 UTC+10, Noddy wrote:

>> Probably because the cylinder head people were a bit too tight on the
>> clearances, but you'd need to take that up with them as I never did the
>> head. However what is *abundantly* clear is if the engine was assembled
>> had a piston to valve clearance issue it would never have survived the
>> first dyno session, and anyone who had a modicum of experience with
>> engines would be well aware of that.

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Yes!.

It's absolutely ridiculous actually. The more he tries to invent
ridiculous theories to push the blame onto me, the more completely
ignorant and clueless he makes *himself* look at a result.

The engine in question was a Toyota 4AGE 20 valve, which used inlet
valves with a stem diameter of just under 5mm (4.98mm to be exact). They
are *remarkably* fine, and you can just about bend the valves with your
fingers. Anyone with anything remotely like relevant experience would
know that *any* piston to valve contact would bend such a valve
immediately, and such a bent valve would cause an *instant* loss of
compression and result in a dead cylinder.

Had that scenario ever existed in the real world, it would have
presented itself on the very first dyno session with the engine being
obviously down on power due to the compression loss, but that never
happened. In fact after both dyno sessions and a full track day the
engine's performance was reported as "excellent" and there was no hint
of a problem.

Because there *wasn't* one.

What there was was this utterly nonsensical attempt by Clasener to
blame me for something that he has absolutely no understanding of due to
his own pig ignorance. As has been mentioned before and as he
*continually* chooses to ignore, piston to valve clearances *were*
checked and such checking is a process of every build I do. They were
within spec and he's been told this a number of times. He's also been
shown photos of the remains of the plasticine on the pistons used to do
the checking, and the photo of the valve that was snapped half way up
it's stem which is something that would *never* occur on an inlet valve
that had insufficient piston to valve clearance.

He's been told *all* of this. He's been told that the engine did two
dyno sessions to bed it in and tune for peak horsepower and it presented
no problems. He's been told that the car was run for a full day at
Winton where it was tuned and set up in preparation for it's trip to
Bathurst where it *also* ran flawlessly and presented no problems, and
finally he's been told that at Bathurst it made sorting and qualifying
laps before finally suffering a valve failure going through the Chase on
Conrod straight on it's 7th lap of a race.

He's been told *all* of that, which would tell *anyone* with half a
ounce of experience or even the most *basic* understanding of engine
operation that piston to valve clearance was *not* the cause of it's
failure yet he chooses to ignore *all* of that fact which has been
supported by Daryl in favour of his own utterly ridiculous and
completely fanciful theory that it the engine failed due to a lack of
piston to valve clearance which was my fault for not checking it.

A theory that makes sense to *no one* but him and his Lieutenant Junior
Jerky, and one that serves no purpose *other* than to show the
incredible level of cluelessness they possess, and how that in itself
shows that the idea that trade licensing ensures a higher standard of
tradespeople is a complete fairytale :)

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Noddy.

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