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Re: Had an interesting visitor the past few days

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From: dwalf...@westpine.com.au (Daryl)
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Subject: Re: Had an interesting visitor the past few days
Date: Sun, 15 May 2022 14:03:24 +1000
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 by: Daryl - Sun, 15 May 2022 04:03 UTC

On 15/5/2022 12:17 pm, John_H wrote:
> Noddy wrote:
>> On 14/05/2022 2:25 pm, John_H wrote:
>>> Noddy wrote:
>>
>>>> They were typical of most things with 4 wheels that Triumph made: Total
>>>> heaps of shit. They made world conquering bikes in their day, but their
>>>> cars were hopeless.
>>>
>>> What day would that have been? :))
>>
>> As far as bikes go? The 1950's were their big game changer with the
>> Speed Twin. As far as cars go? Any time they made one :)
>
> The Speed Twin (5T) predates WW2. The most popular model in the 1950s
> was the Thunderbird (6T). Last of several models I've owned was a
> 1960 C range T100 which was an absolute pile of crap for which I was
> fortunate to find a buyer. OTOH I've never owned a Triumph car I
> didn't like.
>
>>> I've own both Triumph cars and bikes and worked on heaps more of both
>>> and the only half decent thing about their bikes was the relative
>>> simplicity of the their B range vertical twin as compared to other
>>> British makes.
>>
>> Many around the world would probably disagree with you, but then
>> opinions are like arseholes. Everyone has one.
>
> And your opinion comes directly out of yours based on zilch real world
> experience! You obviously didn't know the difference between a 2500TC
> and a 2.5 PI and by your own admission have never worked on the
> latter. You've previously claimed a Yamaha RD350 (the most successful
> production racer of its era) didn't handle which suggests that you've
> never learned to ride a decent sports bike and probably never worked
> on one either.
>
>> Their gearboxes were designed to leak oil (they had no
>>> seal on the selector shaft) and their frames were made of licorice
>>> (Norton, among others, were way ahead of them). Their only world
>>> conquering effort I'm aware of was the Bonneville salt flat speed
>>> record set in 1956 by a machine that bore no resemblance to a road
>>> bike other than having two wheels. They never got a look in at either
>>> GP or TT racing and by the late 60s jap road bikes were shitting all
>>> over them in performance, handling and reliability.
>>
>> By the time the Japs got their stuff together they were shitting all
>> over *everyone*. Not just the Trumpies.
>
> Wrong. I've also owned a 900SS Ducati, bought new in 1976, which was
> certainly shitting all over the jappers after the poms quit the scene.
> Mike Hailwood won the Isle of Man TT on the same model in 1978 and
> Ducati remain competitive in both MotoGP and Superbike racing to this
> day. KTM are right up with the Jap dirt bikes.

According to my son who owns a new KTM they are by far the best dirt
bike as far as performance goes, he also owns a Yamaha dirt bike, don't
know the model but he says its a full on race bike and not for the faint
hearted, he rarely rides it because its not good for anything other than
flat out racing.
Last time I was at his factory there were 2 Harleys stored there
belonging to a couple of mates and he was allowed to use one of them
whenever he liked so no shortage of bikes to ride.
His 10yr old rides a Honda and his 8yr old rides a Suzuki so plenty of
different brands to play with.

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Daryl

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 by: Daryl - Sun, 15 May 2022 04:19 UTC

On 15/5/2022 2:03 pm, Daryl wrote:
> On 15/5/2022 12:17 pm, John_H wrote:
>> Noddy wrote:
>>> On 14/05/2022 2:25 pm, John_H wrote:
>>>> Noddy wrote:
>>>
>>>>> They were typical of most things with 4 wheels that Triumph made:
>>>>> Total
>>>>> heaps of shit. They made world conquering bikes in their day, but
>>>>> their
>>>>> cars were hopeless.
>>>> What day would that have been?  :))
>>>
>>> As far as bikes go? The 1950's were their big game changer with the
>>> Speed Twin. As far as cars go? Any time they made one :)
>>
>> The Speed Twin (5T) predates WW2.  The most popular model in the 1950s
>> was the Thunderbird (6T).  Last of several models I've owned was a
>> 1960 C range T100 which was an absolute pile of crap for which I was
>> fortunate to find a buyer. OTOH  I've never owned a Triumph car I
>> didn't like.
>>
>>>> I've own both Triumph cars and bikes and worked on heaps more of both
>>>> and the only half decent thing about their bikes was the relative
>>>> simplicity of the their B range vertical twin as compared to other
>>>> British makes.
>>>
>>> Many around the world would probably disagree with you, but then
>>> opinions are like arseholes. Everyone has one.
>>
>> And your opinion comes directly out of yours based on zilch real world
>> experience!  You obviously didn't know the difference between a 2500TC
>> and a 2.5 PI and by your own admission have never worked on the
>> latter.  You've previously claimed a Yamaha RD350 (the most successful
>> production racer of its era) didn't handle which suggests that you've
>> never learned to ride a decent sports bike and probably never worked
>> on one either.
>>
>>>   Their gearboxes were designed to leak oil (they had no
>>>> seal on the selector shaft) and their frames were made of licorice
>>>> (Norton, among others, were way ahead of them).  Their only world
>>>> conquering effort I'm aware of was the Bonneville salt flat speed
>>>> record set in 1956 by a machine that bore no resemblance to a road
>>>> bike other than having two wheels.  They never got a look in at either
>>>> GP or TT racing and by the late 60s  jap road bikes were shitting all
>>>> over them in performance, handling and reliability.
>>>
>>> By the time the Japs got their stuff together they were shitting all
>>> over *everyone*. Not just the Trumpies.
>>
>> Wrong.  I've also owned a 900SS Ducati, bought new in 1976, which was
>> certainly shitting all over the jappers after the poms quit the scene.
>> Mike Hailwood won the Isle of Man TT on the same model in 1978 and
>> Ducati remain competitive in both MotoGP and Superbike racing to this
>> day.  KTM are right up with the Jap dirt bikes.
>
> According to my son who owns a new KTM they are by far the best dirt
> bike as far as performance goes, he also owns a Yamaha dirt bike, don't
> know the model but he says its a full on race bike and not for the faint
> hearted, he rarely rides it because its not good for anything other than
> flat out racing.
> Last time I was at his factory there were 2 Harleys stored there
> belonging to a couple of mates and he was allowed to use one of them
> whenever he liked so no shortage of bikes to ride.
> His 10yr old rides a Honda and his 8yr old rides a Suzuki so plenty of
> different brands to play with.
>
>

BTW I'm amazed at how crap new motorcycle warranty is, my grandsons
Honda only came with 3mths warranty and when it was 4mths old and the
head stem bearing failed, not expensive or difficult to fix but clearly
a manufacturing fault and not covered by the expired warranty.

--
Daryl

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 by: Xeno - Sun, 15 May 2022 04:20 UTC

On 15/5/2022 6:34 am, alvey wrote:
> On Sat, 14 May 2022 15:40:18 +1000, Noddy wrote:
>
>> On 14/05/2022 3:26 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>> On 14/5/2022 2:00 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>
>>>>>> I always liked the HTKG model Holdens. Had a few of them in various
>>>>>> guises over the years and always enjoyed driving them. They were an
>>>>>> okay car in their day.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Agree, IMHO better even than later models.
>>>>
>>>> I've got spot for the HR, and always have had.
>>>
>>> Owned a HR and hated it but to be fair it was well beyond its use by
>>> date when I bought, cop ex brother in law got it for next to nothing
>>> when he pulled over its driver because he was wandering all over the
>>> road mostly due to very worn tie rods ends.
>>> The driver got out and handed my BIL the keys and a signed rego transfer
>>> then he walked away, BIL didn't want it so I gave him $50.00 for it.
>>> I used to go to and from work for about 6mths before I finally got sick
>>> and tired of constantly fixing it and freezing my nuts off due to the
>>> lack of a heater.
>>
>> Lol :)
>>
>> I've had a bunch of HR's ranging from a standard sedan to a ute
>
> Sure you have Fraudster. I believe you. Honest.

I don't believe him. He lies way too much to have even that small amount
of credibility.
>
>> On the other hand, I bought a new car on Thursday. 2022 Ford Ranger
>> Wildtrak. They look pretty impressive,

Looking impressive was the prime factor in Darren's decision making
processes. Compensates for the possession of a weenie little wiener, you
see. When *I* looks for a car, things like reliability, resale value,
suitability to task, etc. figure way more importantly than impressive looks.
>
> Only if you're a fat, aging and insecure shortarse.

Darren fits the bill 100%.

> These hideous monstrosities, (the Ranga, not Fraudster), are the Valiants
> of the 1970s. They were famed/mocked for being the car of choice for
> immigrants cos' they were the biggest car per dollar on the market.
>
>> and I was able to wrangle a decent deal.
>
> You haggled him down to the ticket price. Well done you!
>
>> I'll let you know what it's like in a year which is about
>> when I can expect to get it :)
>
> I don't understand why the wife lets you spend her money so wastefully.
> That's making the highly dubious assumption that you're not lying again.
>
Just assume he's lying, safest route to take.
>
>
> alvey
>

--
Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

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 by: Noddy - Sun, 15 May 2022 04:26 UTC

On 15/05/2022 2:03 pm, Daryl wrote:
> On 15/5/2022 12:17 pm, John_H wrote:

>> Wrong.  I've also owned a 900SS Ducati, bought new in 1976, which was
>> certainly shitting all over the jappers after the poms quit the scene.
>> Mike Hailwood won the Isle of Man TT on the same model in 1978 and
>> Ducati remain competitive in both MotoGP and Superbike racing to this
>> day.  KTM are right up with the Jap dirt bikes.
>
> According to my son who owns a new KTM they are by far the best dirt
> bike as far as performance goes, he also owns a Yamaha dirt bike, don't
> know the model but he says its a full on race bike and not for the faint
> hearted, he rarely rides it because its not good for anything other than
> flat out racing.

It was probably an RD350 :)

> Last time I was at his factory there were 2 Harleys stored there
> belonging to a couple of mates and he was allowed to use one of them
> whenever he liked so no shortage of bikes to ride.
> His 10yr old rides a Honda and his 8yr old rides a Suzuki so plenty of
> different brands to play with.

When I lived in Richmond many years ago I had a "neighbor" who rented a
garage next to the one I did. His name was "Doc". I can't remember his
real name or even if I ever knew it, but he was an Anaesthetist who
worked mostly at the Freemason's hospital in East Melbourne hence the
handle.

"Doc" was into Italian bikes and he loved them. He owned around half a
dozen of the things which were probably all rare and desirable models
knowing him (I can't remember what they were), and on a Sunday if the
weather was fine and he had the time he'd call up to the garages and
drag a few out to see which one would start, and if he could get one
fired up he'd head off for an afternoon blat.

That sounds like a comedy routine, but that's pretty much how it went.
As much as he loved the things he had *very* realistic expectations and
would be the first one to tell you that while they were an incredibly
enjoyable thing to ride when they were running, keeping them running was
hard work and they were an absolute money pit.

Best advice he ever gave me as a pimply faced kid was to never buy
anything Italian, be it 2 or 4 wheeled, unless you want to spend all
your time and money working on it, and as far as I'm concerned I have
never heard anyone mention a truism that was more accurate.

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Noddy.

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 by: Xeno - Sun, 15 May 2022 04:27 UTC

On 15/5/2022 10:42 am, Grumpy Tech wrote:
> On 15/05/2022 6:37 am, alvey wrote:
>> On Sat, 14 May 2022 16:05:51 +1000, Xeno wrote:
>>
>>> On 14/5/2022 3:51 pm, alvey wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 14 May 2022 14:00:22 +1000, Noddy wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> <space left here for the whinging softcocks who can't go a day without
>>>>> replying to any of my posts to make some ridiculously inane remark
>>>>> about
>>>>> not wearing seat belts ↓↓↓↓↓)
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You're nuts.
>>>>
>>> I'm glad you made it clear he was nuts for, as sure as shit, he doesn't
>>> have any nuts! NBN, No Balls Noddy!
>>
>> Speaking of the NBN... I've swapped it for a 5G router. Faster and $20 pm
>> cheaper. Well played Coalition.
>>
> Actually it was Labor who stuffed us all with the NBN when most in the
> industry knew that within a number of months 5g would be happening and
> would prove faster if initial trials were any indication.

Actually it wasn't Labor. Had Labor been able to realise their vision of
what the NBN should be, then there would be no need for *continual
upgrades* and these upgrades are not minor. The Libs *nobbled* the NBN
*before* it was born with their multi-modal bullshit. All the IT pundits
were predicting the NBN would be a disaster under the Libs and so it has
come to pass.
>
> Mind you the biggest limitation of any internet service in Australia is
> the backhaul capacity between centres and the overseas backhaul
> capacity. The lack of redundancy is also ludicrous. With the old copper
> system if a line was taken out, there were multiple alternate routes to
> direct calls. Now with the current situation some companies only have
> one link, some have two but generally located in the same geographical
> area. It doesn't take much and the whole network comes crashing down.
>
> That's apart from the fact that industry was not ready for the higher
> speeds so data centres etc needed major upgrades to cope.
>
> So thanks Labor for the lack of foresight and poor planning that left
> the Coalition with a white elephant to fix.

The Coalition turned something with potential into a hobbled white elephant.

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 by: Xeno - Sun, 15 May 2022 04:32 UTC

On 15/5/2022 11:28 am, Clocky wrote:
> On 15/05/2022 8:52 am, Noddy wrote:
>> On 15/05/2022 10:42 am, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>
>>> Actually it was Labor who stuffed us all with the NBN when most in
>>> the industry knew that within a number of months 5g would be
>>> happening and would prove faster if initial trials were any indication.
>>>
>>> Mind you the biggest limitation of any internet service in Australia
>>> is the backhaul capacity between centres and the overseas backhaul
>>> capacity. The lack of redundancy is also ludicrous. With the old
>>> copper system if a line was taken out, there were multiple alternate
>>> routes to direct calls. Now with the current situation some companies
>>> only have one link, some have two but generally located in the same
>>> geographical area. It doesn't take much and the whole network comes
>>> crashing down.
>>>
>>> That's apart from the fact that industry was not ready for the higher
>>> speeds so data centres etc needed major upgrades to cope.
>>>
>>> So thanks Labor for the lack of foresight and poor planning that left
>>> the Coalition with a white elephant to fix.
>>
>> Yep. The ABN was a *huge* cluster fuck from the get-go. Ridiculously
>> optimistic in it's goals, and hopelessly under budgeted. It was
>> *never* going to work as intended, and has been nothing but a white
>> elephant ever since.
>>
>> A typical Labor fuck up in fact....
>>
>>
>
>
> That you're clueless is a given, but for someone claiming to have worked
> in IT to blame Labor for this... that's just absurd.
>
No, given Grumpy's IT skill level, it's to be expected. He couldn't
secure his own *Facebook Page*, remember?

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(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

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 by: Xeno - Sun, 15 May 2022 04:36 UTC

On 15/5/2022 12:14 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 15/05/2022 11:54 am, Daryl wrote:
>> On 15/5/2022 10:52 am, Noddy wrote:
>>> On 15/05/2022 10:42 am, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>
>>>> So thanks Labor for the lack of foresight and poor planning that
>>>> left the Coalition with a white elephant to fix.
>>>
>>> Yep. The ABN was a *huge* cluster fuck from the get-go. Ridiculously
>>> optimistic in it's goals, and hopelessly under budgeted. It was
>>> *never* going to work as intended, and has been nothing but a white
>>> elephant ever since.
>>
>> I've been lucky in that both my houses have had fibre to the premises
>> so I have had zero problems, great speed and reliability, I did a
>> speed test just now and it was 269.15Mbps down and 22.65Mbps up, I
>> haven't seen anything below 200Mbps for a long time but its nuts that
>> some people such as Les and you that aren't far from me are on fixed
>> wireless and its garbage, in Hopetoun Park the NBN fixed wireless is
>> slower than the previous ADSL.
>
> It's just a massive mess and has been from the start. The service here
> is bearable, but it's *nothing* like yours and not worth anywhere near
> the hundred bucks a month it costs to have it.
>
>> If I had to complaint about the NBN it would be the price, I pay just
>> under $90.00 PM so it isn't cheap, I could get cheaper but I rather
>> like the unlimited data and higher speed.
>
> I don't mind paying for it if I'm getting what I'm paying for, but like
> everyone else I know who deals with Telstra I ain't. I'm on a 50Mbps
> fixed wireless plan, but if I ever get anything above 20Mbps I'm doing
> exceptionally well.

You voted Liberal, you got Mal's bullshit NBN. You deserve it.
>
>> When I was in Qld in March I visited my sister and her husband who
>> live on the Gold Coast, they had a 5G Telstra system and it was even
>> faster than my NBN, so far they hadn't had any issues of it slowing
>> down due to congestion.
>
> Different story here. When I was on mobile wireless the average speed
> was "carrier pigeon" :)
>
>>> A typical Labor fuck up in fact....
>>
>> Typical in that they often have great ideas but fuck up the
>> implementation although I think that what the Coalition changed
>> actually made it worse, neither of them got it right and to add insult
>> to injury 5G and satellite such as Starlink will make it obsolete.
>
> It was a fucked plan from the beginning that could *never* be made to
> work properly. To achieve the totally unrealistic objectives that Labor
> originally thought they could meet would have almost doubled the
> ridiculous initial costings making the project completely unaffordable,
> and the only thing left to do was to try and salvage what they could and
> keep the costs to a minimum.
>
> Has that worked? No. Well, not very well, but then the initial plan was
> such that it could *never* work well by design. All you could ever hope
> to do was cut as much loss out of it as you could.
>
>
>

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(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

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 by: Xeno - Sun, 15 May 2022 05:11 UTC

On 15/5/2022 1:28 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 15/05/2022 12:17 pm, John_H wrote:
>> Noddy wrote:
>>> On 14/05/2022 2:25 pm, John_H wrote:
>
>>> A case in point. The 1968 London to Sydney Marathon was one of the
>>> largest rally events ever staged anywhere in the world, and it attracted
>>> an impressive field of well known competitors ranging from big budget
>>> works teams to privateers in a host of different makes and models. It
>>> was a gruelling event that took it's toll on the equipment, and in the
>>> end it was won outright by Scottsman Andrew Cowan driving a Hillman
>>> Hunter the team prize was won by Ford Australia with their fleet of
>>> three XT GT Falcons ahead of Porsche and a few notable others.
>>
>> Who only won by default.
>
> Yeah, he did, and that's precisely the point. The winning car isn't
> always the best car on the track. Often it's nothing other than sheer
> blind luck which determines the outcome of competitions. Still, I'll bet
> that Himman didn't do anything to stop the demand for the sale of ew
> Hunters as a result.
>
>> The clear winner until the last run to the finish line was a near
>> stock Citroen DS driven by Lucien Bianchi who
>> was taken out by some geriatric in a Mini who dropped a U-turn on top
>> of him in Nowra.  In any case it was essentially a reliability trial
>> and for the most part those with the biggest budgets and best backup
>> were bound to win.  I also got a good close look at the cars on their
>> overnight stop at the end of the Nullarbor section.
>>
>>> Do you think the Hillman Hunter or XT GT made great rally cars? I sure
>>> as shit don't but the results of that event suggest otherwise.
>>
>> As you say it was a factory "special" that bore no resemblance to what
>> was sold commercially other than its outward appearance to a casual
>> observer.  The only factory special Triumph ever built was the TR4S
>> and nor did they ever attempt to pass off their stock model as the
>> same thing (unlike Chrysler and Ford).  The TR4S was never marketed
>> commercially.
>
> That's nice, but saying that seems to suggest that every other Triumph
> car used in competition was completely stock standard, and you and I
> both know that that's complete bullshit. They had their "works" teams
> just like everyone else, and just like everyone else their works cars
> were very carefully prepared for competition duty.
>
> You clearly have a love for Triumph cars and are happy to talk them up,
> but I think you guild the lily somewhat. I have zero experience with
> them (thankfully), but despite that I found your comments about their
> ""high VE" resulting in a "much higher than typical bmep" to be a cause
> for the engines to not run properly on 98ron fuel to be perplexing.
>
> The reason for that is because unless I'm missing something that you
> haven't mentioned, there was nothing outstanding about either the VE or
> the BMEP rating of the injected Triumph engine. In fact, if you look at
> the specs you'll find that the BMEP of the 2.5 PI engine was only a
> poofteeth greater than that of a Red Holden 202, and regardless of how
> much of an improvement in VE the injection manifold made over that used
> with carburetors I'll happily bet my left nut that the VE was nothing
> like 100% which means the 9.5:1 static compression ratio was the hard
> upper limit.

OMIGOD, all you've done here Darren is *prove* beyond any shadow of
doubt that even the *concept of VE* is way beyond your ken. FWIW,
standard cars of the 50s, 60s and 70s would have been lucky to have
achieved 75% VE no matter what fuel delivery system they used. The fuel
delivery system is irrelevant in the overall scheme of things because
the VE limits were in the fact that those engines had *2 valves* per
cylinder. That's because the engines were designed around
*driveability* and not outright performance. Again, FWIW, comparing BMEP
is a way of comparing an engine's output *regardless* of the engine size
or number of cylinders. It is, therefore, hardly surprising that the two
engines, being of the same era, would have the same BMEP and it would be
hardly surprising that the Triumph pips the 202 slightly. Oh, and the
static compression ratio is irrelevant also since, with a VE in the
range of 70-80%, the *effective (dynamic) compression ratio* will be 20%
less than that.

Didn't you learn *anything* when you were drag racing or is that claim
just as much bullshit as all your other trade claims?
>
> This one seems to be getting along nice, and while there's no mention of
> the fuel used, I would assume it's the regular 95Ron used in the UK
> these days.
>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyBL2wq-AX8
>
>
>
>

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 by: John_H - Sun, 15 May 2022 06:04 UTC

Noddy wrote:
>On 15/05/2022 12:17 pm, John_H wrote:
>
>You clearly have a love for Triumph cars and are happy to talk them up,
>but I think you guild the lily somewhat. I have zero experience with
>them (thankfully), but despite that I found your comments about their
>""high VE" resulting in a "much higher than typical bmep" to be a cause
>for the engines to not run properly on 98ron fuel to be perplexing.

Than let me take it a little bit further at the risk of confusing you
further. As the octane rating for Super petrol dropped, as it did in
the 80s (you mentioned 98RON not me), the normal solution was to
retard the ignition timing (nowadays most EFI cars do it
automatically).

What effect do you think retarding the ignition has on intake vacuum?

I'll leave the rest for you to work out. :)

>The reason for that is because unless I'm missing something that you
>haven't mentioned, there was nothing outstanding about either the VE or
>the BMEP rating of the injected Triumph engine. In fact, if you look at
>the specs you'll find that the BMEP of the 2.5 PI engine was only a
>poofteeth greater than that of a Red Holden 202, and regardless of how
>much of an improvement in VE the injection manifold made over that used
>with carburetors I'll happily bet my left nut that the VE was nothing
>like 100% which means the 9.5:1 static compression ratio was the hard
>upper limit.
>
>This one seems to be getting along nice, and while there's no mention of
>the fuel used, I would assume it's the regular 95Ron used in the UK
>these days.
>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyBL2wq-AX8

Yes, he mentions putting a milder cam in it. What effect do you think
that had on the intake vacuum?

Clue: It most definitely wouldn't run properly on 95RON with the
standard cam.

The other common modification in the 80s was to replace the Lucas
system with triple DCOE Webers for a considerble loss of performance,
as would also be the effect of a milder cam.

I'd also be guessing that Zeno's mate either runs his on bug juice or
else has modified it to run on bowser fuel.

Supposedly Super petrol in the 70s was around 100RON. Different
sources will give you different figures but whatever the real figure
it certainly dropped off when the lead content was lowered during the
80's.

--
John H

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 by: Xeno - Sun, 15 May 2022 06:09 UTC

On 15/5/2022 4:04 pm, John_H wrote:
> Noddy wrote:
>> On 15/05/2022 12:17 pm, John_H wrote:
>>
>> You clearly have a love for Triumph cars and are happy to talk them up,
>> but I think you guild the lily somewhat. I have zero experience with
>> them (thankfully), but despite that I found your comments about their
>> ""high VE" resulting in a "much higher than typical bmep" to be a cause
>> for the engines to not run properly on 98ron fuel to be perplexing.
>
> Than let me take it a little bit further at the risk of confusing you
> further. As the octane rating for Super petrol dropped, as it did in
> the 80s (you mentioned 98RON not me), the normal solution was to
> retard the ignition timing (nowadays most EFI cars do it
> automatically).
>
> What effect do you think retarding the ignition has on intake vacuum?
>
> I'll leave the rest for you to work out. :)

You've knackered him there. Darren hasn't a clue where BMEP fits into
all this. Hark, listen to the frantic thrashing at the Google Servers!
>
>> The reason for that is because unless I'm missing something that you
>> haven't mentioned, there was nothing outstanding about either the VE or
>> the BMEP rating of the injected Triumph engine. In fact, if you look at
>> the specs you'll find that the BMEP of the 2.5 PI engine was only a
>> poofteeth greater than that of a Red Holden 202, and regardless of how
>> much of an improvement in VE the injection manifold made over that used
>> with carburetors I'll happily bet my left nut that the VE was nothing
>> like 100% which means the 9.5:1 static compression ratio was the hard
>> upper limit.
>>
>> This one seems to be getting along nice, and while there's no mention of
>> the fuel used, I would assume it's the regular 95Ron used in the UK
>> these days.
>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyBL2wq-AX8
>
> Yes, he mentions putting a milder cam in it. What effect do you think
> that had on the intake vacuum?
>
> Clue: It most definitely wouldn't run properly on 95RON with the
> standard cam.
>
> The other common modification in the 80s was to replace the Lucas
> system with triple DCOE Webers for a considerble loss of performance,
> as would also be the effect of a milder cam.
>
> I'd also be guessing that Zeno's mate either runs his on bug juice or
> else has modified it to run on bowser fuel.

I'll have to ask him. We never specifically discussed the Triumph, only
in passing. Jow was more focussed on EVO engines he was building.
>
> Supposedly Super petrol in the 70s was around 100RON. Different
> sources will give you different figures but whatever the real figure
> it certainly dropped off when the lead content was lowered during the
> 80's.
>

--
Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

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Daryl wrote:
>On 15/5/2022 12:17 pm, John_H wrote:
>> Noddy wrote:
>
>>> By the time the Japs got their stuff together they were shitting all
>>> over *everyone*. Not just the Trumpies.
>>
>> Wrong. I've also owned a 900SS Ducati, bought new in 1976, which was
>> certainly shitting all over the jappers after the poms quit the scene.
>> Mike Hailwood won the Isle of Man TT on the same model in 1978 and
>> Ducati remain competitive in both MotoGP and Superbike racing to this
>> day. KTM are right up with the Jap dirt bikes.
>
>According to my son who owns a new KTM they are by far the best dirt
>bike as far as performance goes, he also owns a Yamaha dirt bike, don't
>know the model but he says its a full on race bike and not for the faint
>hearted, he rarely rides it because its not good for anything other than
>flat out racing.

Son owned three of them until a couple of weeks ago. One of those he
sold was a very rare 900+ cc carburetted V twin of which only a
limited number were made. He originally bought it off a cop in Perth
and happily rode it back to CQ taking the long way around (Gunbarrel
Highway, etc).

He did mentioning averaging 100kph over 600km of dirt. :)

He's an extremely competent dirt rider which might've helped as I've
never heard him complain about their race heritage being a problem.

--
John H

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On 15/05/2022 4:04 pm, John_H wrote:
> Noddy wrote:

>> You clearly have a love for Triumph cars and are happy to talk them up,
>> but I think you guild the lily somewhat. I have zero experience with
>> them (thankfully), but despite that I found your comments about their
>> ""high VE" resulting in a "much higher than typical bmep" to be a cause
>> for the engines to not run properly on 98ron fuel to be perplexing.
>
> Than let me take it a little bit further at the risk of confusing you
> further.

ROTFL :) Go your hardest. I'm up for it :)

> As the octane rating for Super petrol dropped, as it did in
> the 80s (you mentioned 98RON not me), the normal solution was to
> retard the ignition timing (nowadays most EFI cars do it
> automatically).

Actually, you mentioned 98ron in a post you made on Friday when you said
the following:

> 9.5:1 static IIRC. The Escort Mk1 twin cam, which was a very
> successful rally car of the same era ran around the same CR and I'd
> also doubt if it would be able to handle 98RON bowser fuel for the
> same reason whereas relatively crude American V8's ran 12:1 or more
> but had much lower VE..

Just sayin....

> What effect do you think retarding the ignition has on intake vacuum?
>
> I'll leave the rest for you to work out. :)

Right. So what you're saying *now* is that retarded the timing and
*that* caused the thing to not run properly.

Seriously? Just exactly how temperamental *were* these things?

>> The reason for that is because unless I'm missing something that you
>> haven't mentioned, there was nothing outstanding about either the VE or
>> the BMEP rating of the injected Triumph engine. In fact, if you look at
>> the specs you'll find that the BMEP of the 2.5 PI engine was only a
>> poofteeth greater than that of a Red Holden 202, and regardless of how
>> much of an improvement in VE the injection manifold made over that used
>> with carburetors I'll happily bet my left nut that the VE was nothing
>> like 100% which means the 9.5:1 static compression ratio was the hard
>> upper limit.
>>
>> This one seems to be getting along nice, and while there's no mention of
>> the fuel used, I would assume it's the regular 95Ron used in the UK
>> these days.
>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyBL2wq-AX8
>
> Yes, he mentions putting a milder cam in it. What effect do you think
> that had on the intake vacuum?

A milder cam? I didn't watch the entire video, but I would imagine the
factory cam in something like a Triumph 2500pi would be pretty tame,
considering that it's fuel system relied on a solid manifold vacuum to
correctly adjust itself on the fly.

Still, I'm happy to stand corrected. A quick look online and I find
these figures:

2500pi Mk.I:

Inlet opens @ 18 deg BTDC
Inlet Closes @ 58 deg ABDC
Exhaust opens 58 deg BBDC
Exhaust closes 18 deg ATDC.

That's a pretty short, sedate cam timing in anyone's language, and it's
difficult to imagine how a "milder" cam would have made any appreciable
difference to anything compared to that. Especially with regards to
manifold vacuum.

Just for shits and giggles value, look at these figures here:

Inlet opens @ 35 deg BTDC
Inlet closes @ 75 degrees ABDC
Exhaust opens 70 deg BBDC
Exhaust closes 40 deg ATDC

That's quite an aggressive timing profile compared to the much more
sedate Triumph figures, and the casual observer could be forgiven for
thinking they come from a performance engine. But they don't. They're
the standard cam timing figures for a Holden 161 red motor.

Now, if you're going to start in by saying differences in induction
systems and volumetric efficiency are the key factor in determining the
cam profile used in a given engine for a given role and this is
highlighted here by the significant differences between these two
profiles you'd be exactly right, but the point is that the Triumph cam
is *extremely* soft to begin with and I can't imagine anything "milder"
than that and the thing still being able to run and make as much power
as a blender.

> Clue: It most definitely wouldn't run properly on 95RON with the
> standard cam.

As much as you say this, I find it difficult to appreciate how anything
that is set up as soft as the 2500 pi engine *clearly* was could be
*that* fussy about fuel quality that it would refuse to run right on
anything other than high octane fuel.

> The other common modification in the 80s was to replace the Lucas
> system with triple DCOE Webers for a considerble loss of performance,
> as would also be the effect of a milder cam.

Considerable over certain rpm ranges. There would likely be no
difference in others.

> I'd also be guessing that Zeno's mate either runs his on bug juice or
> else has modified it to run on bowser fuel.

Assuming his car runs the Triumph engine, and we have no idea on that
one way or the other.

> Supposedly Super petrol in the 70s was around 100RON. Different
> sources will give you different figures but whatever the real figure
> it certainly dropped off when the lead content was lowered during the
> 80's.

It did. When I drove things like XU1 Toranas and GTHO's as daily drivers
I had to buy Toluene from a local fuel merchant and give these things a
heavy dose of it to stop them pinging their heads off. But then they
were engines with very high compression ratios and fairly decent
induction systems that made lots of power for their capacity.

That's not what I'm seeing in the 2500pi engine. Not by a long shot.

--
--
--
Regards,
Noddy.

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 by: jonz@ nothere.com - Sun, 15 May 2022 08:30 UTC

On Sunday, 15 May 2022 at 09:28:22 UTC+10, Noddy wrote:
> On 15/05/2022 8:43 am, Daryl wrote:
> > On 14/5/2022 5:41 pm, Noddy wrote:
>
> >> If mine manages to make that first allocation cut off then I might see
> >> it around September/October. If not then it could be second quarter
> >> next year. It will all depend on how badly production is held up by
> >> chip shortages and sick staff.
> >>
> >> <shrug> I'm in no hurry. It's not like I'm short on cars to drive.....
> >>
> >>
> > LOL, know what you mean, I've been thinking of buying a newer car but my
> > old one still runs very well, I just replaced the rear shocks, front
> > sway bar bushes and links and the suspension rattles have now
> > disappeared so I'm struggling to justify a newer car to even to myself
> > especially since I'm not doing very many kms.
> Yeah, I get that. We've had three or four new "family" cars in the last
> 10 years, but I haven't had a new "me" car in over 20. I've been happy
> to buy slightly used utes in the past as there's been some real cost
> savings in doing so, but the used market these days is completely off
> it's nut with people asking more for used utes than what they cost to
> buy new a couple of years ago.
>
> So I thought "fuck it". I can't take it with me, so I may as well buy
> something really nice and that will probably see me out.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I`ve never bought a new car.. Never felt the need or had the inclination. <shrug> Closest was a new RAV4 we bought for the business back in 2000.
Tho. the ex is on her (I think) third Toyota 86..
> --
> --
> --
> Regards,
> Noddy.

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On 14/05/2022 5:41 pm, Noddy wrote:

>>> On the other hand, I bought a new car on Thursday. 2022 Ford Ranger
>>> Wildtrak. They look pretty impressive, and I was able to wrangle a
>>> decent deal. I'll let you know what it's like in a year which is
>>> about when I can expect to get it :)

>> Nice, hope the wait isn't too long.
>
> The car isn't even built yet, so it'll be a while.

Congrats. If it's anything like mine (MY 21.25) you'll be very happy
once you figure how to shut the alarms and chimes up... :-) (see my next
post re forscan) I paid a deposit in Nov/Dec 20, and took delivery in
Feb 21. Love it to bits. Had it up to the running boards in mud twice,
and it just sailed through even with highway tyres. Still yet to use the
winch :-)
>
> The new Ranger will be sold all around the world and Australia is the
> first cab off the rank with regards to cars being sent to dealers, but
> the initial number is quite small with just 7500 units made available in
> the first round of allocations and they're expected to sell out quickly.

That display! I bought mine because it's display size was as good or
better than anything going around at the time, and now they do this..
12" vertical? Woot.

> If mine manages to make that first allocation cut off then I might see
> it around September/October. If not then it could be second quarter next
> year. It will all depend on how badly production is held up by chip
> shortages and sick staff.

I know supply chains around the world are fucked up.. Apparently dealers
are selling Rangers to people without the stop start feature, and
offering $1100 in compensation! FAAAAARRRK! They could have asked me!!:)
>
> <shrug> I'm in no hurry. It's not like I'm short on cars to drive.....

Neighbour at work has been waiting 12 months so far for a Dmax...

the way the Chinavirus is going off in Covid central, you may be waiting
a fair time. Shanghai and Beijing are both fucked. Which will only fuck
more transport chains. Fuck the bat eaters..
>
>

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 by: jonz@ nothere.com - Sun, 15 May 2022 08:39 UTC

On Sunday, 15 May 2022 at 11:09:36 UTC+10, alvey wrote:
> On Sun, 15 May 2022 10:52:35 +1000, Noddy wrote:
>
> > On 15/05/2022 10:42 am, Grumpy Tech wrote:
> >
> >> Actually it was Labor who stuffed us all with the NBN when most in the
> >> industry knew that within a number of months 5g would be happening and
> >> would prove faster if initial trials were any indication.
> >>
> >> Mind you the biggest limitation of any internet service in Australia is
> >> the backhaul capacity between centres and the overseas backhaul
> >> capacity. The lack of redundancy is also ludicrous. With the old copper
> >> system if a line was taken out, there were multiple alternate routes to
> >> direct calls. Now with the current situation some companies only have
> >> one link, some have two but generally located in the same geographical
> >> area. It doesn't take much and the whole network comes crashing down.
> >>
> >> That's apart from the fact that industry was not ready for the higher
> >> speeds so data centres etc needed major upgrades to cope.
> >>
> >> So thanks Labor for the lack of foresight and poor planning that left
> >> the Coalition with a white elephant to fix.
> >
> > Yep. The ABN was a *huge* cluster fuck from the get-go. Ridiculously
> > optimistic in it's goals, and hopelessly under budgeted. It was *never*
> > going to work as intended, and has been nothing but a white elephant
> > ever since.
> >
> > A typical Labor fuck up in fact....
> You went close with this boys, but the Phillipines' sweeping the Marcos's
> back into power has edged you out for this weeks 'Stupidity of the Week'
> award. I'm very confident you'll bounce back though.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
You seem to treat yer propensity for *stating the fucking obvious* as a *plus*
Hope you didn`t breed!.
> alvey
>
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 by: Noddy - Sun, 15 May 2022 09:13 UTC

On 15/05/2022 6:36 pm, lindsay wrote:
> On 14/05/2022 5:41 pm, Noddy wrote:
>
>>>> On the other hand, I bought a new car on Thursday. 2022 Ford Ranger
>>>> Wildtrak. They look pretty impressive, and I was able to wrangle a
>>>> decent deal. I'll let you know what it's like in a year which is
>>>> about when I can expect to get it :)
>
>>> Nice, hope the wait isn't too long.
>>
>> The car isn't even built yet, so it'll be a while.
>
> Congrats. If it's anything like mine (MY 21.25) you'll be very happy
> once you figure how to shut the alarms and chimes up... :-) (see my next
> post re forscan) I paid a deposit in Nov/Dec 20, and took delivery in
> Feb 21. Love it to bits. Had it up to the running boards in mud twice,
> and it just sailed through even with highway tyres. Still yet to use the
> winch :-)

Heh :)

I've ordered the V6 version, and hopefully it'll perform as well as the
specs suggest. Too early to tell obviously, but the few journalists
who've been given a chance at a limited test drive seem to be fairly
impressed.

I'd also imagine that Volkswagen wouldn't be interested in cross
platform sharing the engine/transmission combo in their new Amarok if
they weren't impressed with it.

>> The new Ranger will be sold all around the world and Australia is the
>> first cab off the rank with regards to cars being sent to dealers, but
>> the initial number is quite small with just 7500 units made available
>> in the first round of allocations and they're expected to sell out
>> quickly.
>
> That display! I bought mine because it's display size was as good or
> better than anything going around at the time, and now they do this..
> 12" vertical? Woot.

It sure as shit looks spectacular. I've added on the premium pack as
well which includes a 10 speaker sound system with amp and sub which
should be pretty cool. Especially for a deaf cunt like me who cops a
hiding from the missus every time she gets unto the Santa Fe after I've
been driving it to find that the radio is cranked to maximum :)

>> If mine manages to make that first allocation cut off then I might see
>> it around September/October. If not then it could be second quarter
>> next year. It will all depend on how badly production is held up by
>> chip shortages and sick staff.
>
> I know supply chains around the world are fucked up.. Apparently dealers
>  are selling Rangers to people without the stop start feature, and
> offering $1100 in compensation! FAAAAARRRK! They could have asked me!!:)

I'll happily take 1100 bucks not to have it.

>> <shrug> I'm in no hurry. It's not like I'm short on cars to drive.....
>
> Neighbour at work has been waiting 12 months so far for a Dmax...
>
> the way the Chinavirus is going off in Covid central, you may be waiting
> a fair time. Shanghai and Beijing are both fucked. Which will only fuck
>  more transport chains. Fuck the bat eaters..

Yep. Fuck them sideways.

In all honesty I'm not expecting to see it this year, and that's okay. I
can wait. Could also be a blessing in disguise as well, as there's
likely to be the odd bug that may get sorted by the time I see the thing.

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 by: Noddy - Sun, 15 May 2022 09:16 UTC

On 15/05/2022 6:39 pm, jonz@ nothere.com wrote:
> On Sunday, 15 May 2022 at 11:09:36 UTC+10, alvey wrote:

>> You went close with this boys, but the Phillipines' sweeping the Marcos's
>> back into power has edged you out for this weeks 'Stupidity of the Week'
>> award. I'm very confident you'll bounce back though.

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> You seem to treat yer propensity for *stating the fucking obvious* as a *plus*
> Hope you didn`t breed!.

I can't imagine any woman could stand being anywhere near the whinging
softcock.

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On 15/05/2022 12:32 pm, Xeno wrote:
> On 15/5/2022 11:28 am, Clocky wrote:
>> On 15/05/2022 8:52 am, Noddy wrote:
>>> On 15/05/2022 10:42 am, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>>
>>>> Actually it was Labor who stuffed us all with the NBN when most in
>>>> the industry knew that within a number of months 5g would be
>>>> happening and would prove faster if initial trials were any indication.
>>>>
>>>> Mind you the biggest limitation of any internet service in Australia
>>>> is the backhaul capacity between centres and the overseas backhaul
>>>> capacity. The lack of redundancy is also ludicrous. With the old
>>>> copper system if a line was taken out, there were multiple alternate
>>>> routes to direct calls. Now with the current situation some
>>>> companies only have one link, some have two but generally located in
>>>> the same geographical area. It doesn't take much and the whole
>>>> network comes crashing down.
>>>>
>>>> That's apart from the fact that industry was not ready for the
>>>> higher speeds so data centres etc needed major upgrades to cope.
>>>>
>>>> So thanks Labor for the lack of foresight and poor planning that
>>>> left the Coalition with a white elephant to fix.
>>>
>>> Yep. The ABN was a *huge* cluster fuck from the get-go. Ridiculously
>>> optimistic in it's goals, and hopelessly under budgeted. It was
>>> *never* going to work as intended, and has been nothing but a white
>>> elephant ever since.
>>>
>>> A typical Labor fuck up in fact....
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> That you're clueless is a given, but for someone claiming to have
>> worked in IT to blame Labor for this... that's just absurd.
>>
> No, given Grumpy's IT skill level, it's to be expected. He couldn't
> secure his own *Facebook Page*, remember?
>

True and neither could the fraud.

Still laughing over the frauds claim that people used backdoor hacks to
access his facebook page that he had left fully accessible to the
public. What a dickhead.

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 by: Xeno - Sun, 15 May 2022 12:28 UTC

On 15/5/2022 5:25 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 15/05/2022 4:04 pm, John_H wrote:
>> Noddy wrote:
>
>>> You clearly have a love for Triumph cars and are happy to talk them up,
>>> but I think you guild the lily somewhat. I have zero experience with
>>> them (thankfully), but despite that I found your comments about their
>>> ""high VE" resulting in a "much higher than typical bmep" to be a cause
>>> for the engines to not run properly on 98ron fuel to be perplexing.
>>
>> Than let me take it a little bit further at the risk of confusing you
>> further.
>
> ROTFL :) Go your hardest. I'm up for it :)
>
>> As the octane rating for Super petrol dropped, as it did in
>> the 80s (you mentioned 98RON not me), the normal solution was to
>> retard the ignition timing (nowadays most EFI cars do it
>> automatically).
>
> Actually, you mentioned 98ron in a post you made on Friday when you said
> the following:
>
>> 9.5:1 static IIRC.  The Escort Mk1 twin cam, which was a very
>> successful rally car of the same era ran around the same CR and I'd
>> also doubt if it would be able to handle 98RON bowser fuel for the
>> same reason whereas relatively crude American V8's ran 12:1 or more
>> but had much lower VE..
>
> Just sayin....
>
>> What effect do you think retarding the ignition has on intake vacuum?
>>
>> I'll leave the rest for you to work out.  :)
>
> Right. So what you're saying *now* is that retarded the timing and
> *that* caused the thing to not run properly.

Answer the question Darren.
>
> Seriously? Just exactly how temperamental *were* these things?
>
>>> The reason for that is because unless I'm missing something that you
>>> haven't mentioned, there was nothing outstanding about either the VE or
>>> the BMEP rating of the injected Triumph engine. In fact, if you look at
>>> the specs you'll find that the BMEP of the 2.5 PI engine was only a
>>> poofteeth greater than that of a Red Holden 202, and regardless of how
>>> much of an improvement in VE the injection manifold made over that used
>>> with carburetors I'll happily bet my left nut that the VE was nothing
>>> like 100% which means the 9.5:1 static compression ratio was the hard
>>> upper limit.
>>>
>>> This one seems to be getting along nice, and while there's no mention of
>>> the fuel used, I would assume it's the regular 95Ron used in the UK
>>> these days.
>>>
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyBL2wq-AX8
>>
>> Yes, he mentions putting a milder cam in it.  What effect do you think
>> that had on the intake vacuum?

FWIW, from 73 the MK2 used a milder profile cam, the same as the one
used in the MK3 GT6. That was done primarily to smooth out the idle. I'd
agree with that reasoning, I hate lumpy idling.
>
> A milder cam? I didn't watch the entire video, but I would imagine the
> factory cam in something like a Triumph 2500pi would be pretty tame,
> considering that it's fuel system relied on a solid manifold vacuum to
> correctly adjust itself on the fly.

Keerist you're stupid. It uses the manifold vacuum to *signal* the PI
system that load is increasing or decreasing and it is *calibrated* to
suit whatever engine, and cam, it is used on.
>
> Still, I'm happy to stand corrected. A quick look online and I find

No you're not, you'll kick up a stink, change the topic, or *run away*.

> these figures:
>
> 2500pi Mk.I:
>
> Inlet opens @ 18 deg BTDC
> Inlet Closes @ 58 deg ABDC
> Exhaust opens 58 deg BBDC
> Exhaust closes 18 deg ATDC.
>
> That's a pretty short, sedate cam timing in anyone's language, and it's
> difficult to imagine how a "milder" cam would have made any appreciable
> difference to anything compared to that. Especially with regards to
> manifold vacuum.
>
> Just for shits and giggles value, look at these figures here:
>
> Inlet opens @ 35 deg BTDC
> Inlet closes @ 75 degrees ABDC
> Exhaust opens 70 deg BBDC
> Exhaust closes 40 deg ATDC
>
> That's quite an aggressive timing profile compared to the much more
> sedate Triumph figures, and the casual observer could be forgiven for
> thinking they come from a performance engine. But they don't. They're
> the standard cam timing figures for a Holden 161 red motor.
>
> Now, if you're going to start in by saying differences in induction
> systems and volumetric efficiency are the key factor in determining the
> cam profile used in a given engine for a given role and this is
> highlighted here by the significant differences between these two
> profiles you'd be exactly right, but the point is that the Triumph cam
> is *extremely* soft to begin with and I can't imagine anything "milder"
> than that and the thing still being able to run and make as much power
> as a blender.

Darren, you clearly don't have a clue. The better the volumetric
efficiency, the more you can dispense with heaps of lead and lag in the
valve timings. The more you add improvements to the cylinder head's
*breathing* ability, the necessity for early intake valve opening and
late exhaust valve closing is minimised. That's why manufacturers moved
to heads with 2 inlet and two exhaust valves, lots of volumetric
efficiency gain and less need to have lots of valve overlap. That's
without taking into consideration you can get higher revs with smaller
valve so the *torque improvement* leads to *higher HP figures*. Did I
mention it makes engines run smoother if the cam can be *milder*? What
the above sets of valve timing figures are actually telling you is the
2.5 PI engine breathes very well whereas your *alternate* and, I must
say, *irrelevant example* of the Red 161 motor is a piss poor breathing
engine and needs a lot more valve overlap in order to have sufficient
*time* to get gas *flowing* into the cylinder for an adequate fill.
Another point of note here is that good air flow, and that includes air
speed, both in the manifold and in the cylinder, lends itself to a
*faster burn time*. Why is that important? Well, a faster fuel burn
gives *less time* for the *end gas in the combustion chamber* to
pre-ignite or detonate. That means you can use more ignition advance
(not always a gain) or, better, a *higher* static compression ratio*.
The higher static compression ratio is what Triumph opted for with the
2.5 PI. The TC version had 8.5:1 whilst the PI version ran 9.5:1
Does that mean the PI actually flowed air better than the TC? Well, yes
it did because it didn't have the restrictions caused by the need for a
*venturi* that carburettors must have for their operation. From 73 on,
the PI ran a static ignition advance of just *2 degrees*. That is very
telling.

You're not actually making your point, you're *proving* John's point.
You're also proving you don't know what you don't know.
>
>> Clue:  It most definitely wouldn't run properly on 95RON with the
>> standard cam.
>
> As much as you say this, I find it difficult to appreciate how anything
> that is set up as soft as the 2500 pi engine *clearly* was could be
> *that* fussy about fuel quality that it would refuse to run right on
> anything other than high octane fuel.
>
>> The other common modification in the 80s was to replace the Lucas
>> system with triple DCOE Webers for a considerble loss of performance,
>> as would also be the effect of a milder cam.
>
> Considerable over certain rpm ranges. There would likely be no
> difference in others.
>
>> I'd also be guessing that Zeno's mate either runs his on bug juice or
>> else has modified it to run on bowser fuel.
>
> Assuming his car runs the Triumph engine, and we have no idea on that
> one way or the other.
>
>> Supposedly Super petrol in the 70s was around 100RON.  Different
>> sources will give you different figures but whatever the real figure
>> it certainly dropped off when the lead content was lowered during the
>> 80's.
>
> It did. When I drove things like XU1 Toranas and GTHO's as daily drivers
> I had to buy Toluene from a local fuel merchant and give these things a
> heavy dose of it to stop them pinging their heads off. But then they
> were engines with very high compression ratios and fairly decent
> induction systems that made lots of power for their capacity.
>
> That's not what I'm seeing in the 2500pi engine. Not by a long shot.
>
>
>
>
>


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On 15/05/2022 8:28 pm, Xeno wrote:
> On 15/5/2022 5:25 pm, Noddy wrote:
>> On 15/05/2022 4:04 pm, John_H wrote:
>>> Noddy wrote:
>>
>>>> You clearly have a love for Triumph cars and are happy to talk them up,
>>>> but I think you guild the lily somewhat. I have zero experience with
>>>> them (thankfully), but despite that I found your comments about their
>>>> ""high VE" resulting in a "much higher than typical bmep" to be a cause
>>>> for the engines to not run properly on 98ron fuel to be perplexing.
>>>
>>> Than let me take it a little bit further at the risk of confusing you
>>> further.
>>
>> ROTFL :) Go your hardest. I'm up for it :)
>>
>>> As the octane rating for Super petrol dropped, as it did in
>>> the 80s (you mentioned 98RON not me), the normal solution was to
>>> retard the ignition timing (nowadays most EFI cars do it
>>> automatically).
>>
>> Actually, you mentioned 98ron in a post you made on Friday when you
>> said the following:
>>
>>> 9.5:1 static IIRC.  The Escort Mk1 twin cam, which was a very
>>> successful rally car of the same era ran around the same CR and I'd
>>> also doubt if it would be able to handle 98RON bowser fuel for the
>>> same reason whereas relatively crude American V8's ran 12:1 or more
>>> but had much lower VE..
>>
>> Just sayin....
>>
>>> What effect do you think retarding the ignition has on intake vacuum?
>>>
>>> I'll leave the rest for you to work out.  :)
>>
>> Right. So what you're saying *now* is that retarded the timing and
>> *that* caused the thing to not run properly.
>
> Answer the question Darren.
>>
>> Seriously? Just exactly how temperamental *were* these things?
>>
>>>> The reason for that is because unless I'm missing something that you
>>>> haven't mentioned, there was nothing outstanding about either the VE or
>>>> the BMEP rating of the injected Triumph engine. In fact, if you look at
>>>> the specs you'll find that the BMEP of the 2.5 PI engine was only a
>>>> poofteeth greater than that of a Red Holden 202, and regardless of how
>>>> much of an improvement in VE the injection manifold made over that used
>>>> with carburetors I'll happily bet my left nut that the VE was nothing
>>>> like 100% which means the 9.5:1 static compression ratio was the hard
>>>> upper limit.
>>>>
>>>> This one seems to be getting along nice, and while there's no
>>>> mention of
>>>> the fuel used, I would assume it's the regular 95Ron used in the UK
>>>> these days.
>>>>
>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyBL2wq-AX8
>>>
>>> Yes, he mentions putting a milder cam in it.  What effect do you think
>>> that had on the intake vacuum?
>
> FWIW, from 73 the MK2 used a milder profile cam, the same as the one
> used in the MK3 GT6. That was done primarily to smooth out the idle. I'd
> agree with that reasoning, I hate lumpy idling.
>>
>> A milder cam? I didn't watch the entire video, but I would imagine the
>> factory cam in something like a Triumph 2500pi would be pretty tame,
>> considering that it's fuel system relied on a solid manifold vacuum to
>> correctly adjust itself on the fly.
>
> Keerist you're stupid. It uses the manifold vacuum to *signal* the PI
> system that load is increasing or decreasing and it is *calibrated* to
> suit whatever engine, and cam, it is used on.
>>
>> Still, I'm happy to stand corrected. A quick look online and I find
>
> No you're not, you'll kick up a stink, change the topic, or *run away*.
>
>> these figures:
>>
>> 2500pi Mk.I:
>>
>> Inlet opens @ 18 deg BTDC
>> Inlet Closes @ 58 deg ABDC
>> Exhaust opens 58 deg BBDC
>> Exhaust closes 18 deg ATDC.
>>
>> That's a pretty short, sedate cam timing in anyone's language, and
>> it's difficult to imagine how a "milder" cam would have made any
>> appreciable difference to anything compared to that. Especially with
>> regards to manifold vacuum.
>>
>> Just for shits and giggles value, look at these figures here:
>>
>> Inlet opens @ 35 deg BTDC
>> Inlet closes @ 75 degrees ABDC
>> Exhaust opens 70 deg BBDC
>> Exhaust closes 40 deg ATDC
>>
>> That's quite an aggressive timing profile compared to the much more
>> sedate Triumph figures, and the casual observer could be forgiven for
>> thinking they come from a performance engine. But they don't. They're
>> the standard cam timing figures for a Holden 161 red motor.
>>
>> Now, if you're going to start in by saying differences in induction
>> systems and volumetric efficiency are the key factor in determining
>> the cam profile used in a given engine for a given role and this is
>> highlighted here by the significant differences between these two
>> profiles you'd be exactly right, but the point is that the Triumph cam
>> is *extremely* soft to begin with and I can't imagine anything
>> "milder" than that and the thing still being able to run and make as
>> much power as a blender.
>
> Darren, you clearly don't have a clue. The better the volumetric
> efficiency, the more you can dispense with heaps of lead and lag in the
> valve timings. The more you add improvements to the cylinder head's
> *breathing* ability, the necessity for early intake valve opening and
> late exhaust valve closing is minimised. That's why manufacturers moved
> to heads with 2 inlet and two exhaust valves, lots of volumetric
> efficiency gain and less need to have lots of valve overlap. That's
> without taking into consideration you can get higher revs with smaller
> valve so the *torque improvement* leads to *higher HP figures*. Did I
> mention it makes engines run smoother if the cam can be *milder*? What
> the above sets of valve timing figures are actually telling you is the
> 2.5 PI engine breathes very well whereas your *alternate* and, I must
> say, *irrelevant example* of the Red 161 motor is a piss poor breathing
> engine and needs a lot more valve overlap in order to have sufficient
> *time* to get gas *flowing* into the cylinder for an adequate fill.
> Another point of note here is that good air flow, and that includes air
> speed, both in the manifold and in the cylinder, lends itself to a
> *faster burn time*. Why is that important? Well, a faster fuel burn
> gives *less time* for the *end gas in the combustion chamber* to
> pre-ignite or detonate. That means you can use more ignition advance
> (not always a gain) or, better, a *higher* static compression ratio*.
> The higher static compression ratio is what Triumph opted for with the
> 2.5 PI. The TC version had 8.5:1 whilst the PI version ran 9.5:1
> Does that mean the PI actually flowed air better than the TC? Well, yes
> it did because it didn't have the restrictions caused by the need for a
> *venturi* that carburettors must have for their operation. From 73 on,
> the PI ran a static ignition advance of just *2 degrees*. That is very
> telling.
>
> You're not actually making your point, you're *proving* John's point.
> You're also proving you don't know what you don't know.

The clown claims he built drag/race engines...

Fark.

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 by: alvey - Sun, 15 May 2022 20:09 UTC

On Sun, 15 May 2022 17:25:37 +1000, Noddy wrote:

>
> When I drove things like XU1 Toranas and GTHO's as daily drivers

Sure you did Fraudster. I believe you. Honest.

Like so many of your claims this just isn't credible Gibbens. For one
thing, with your driving ability they'd be lucky to last a week before
hitting a tram or somesuch.

alvey
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 by: alvey - Sun, 15 May 2022 20:44 UTC

On Sun, 15 May 2022 19:16:13 +1000, Noddy wrote:

> On 15/05/2022 6:39 pm, jonz@ nothere.com wrote:
>> On Sunday, 15 May 2022 at 11:09:36 UTC+10, alvey wrote:
>
>>> You went close with this boys, but the Phillipines' sweeping the Marcos's
>>> back into power has edged you out for this weeks 'Stupidity of the Week'
>>> award. I'm very confident you'll bounce back though.
>
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> You seem to treat yer propensity for *stating the fucking obvious* as a *plus*
>> Hope you didn`t breed!.
>
> I can't imagine any woman could stand being anywhere near the whinging
> softcock.

Whereas I can't imagine anyone taking anything you say seriously. That's
the price you pay for being a serial liar.

alvey
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On Sun, 15 May 2022 12:14:42 +1000, Noddy wrote:

> On 15/05/2022 11:54 am, Daryl wrote:
>> On 15/5/2022 10:52 am, Noddy wrote:
>>> On 15/05/2022 10:42 am, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>
>>>> So thanks Labor for the lack of foresight and poor planning that left
>>>> the Coalition with a white elephant to fix.
>>>
>>> Yep. The ABN was a *huge* cluster fuck from the get-go. Ridiculously
>>> optimistic in it's goals, and hopelessly under budgeted. It was
>>> *never* going to work as intended, and has been nothing but a white
>>> elephant ever since.
>>
>> I've been lucky in that both my houses have had fibre to the premises so
>> I have had zero problems, great speed and reliability, I did a speed
>> test just now and it was 269.15Mbps down and 22.65Mbps up, I haven't
>> seen anything below 200Mbps for a long time but its nuts that some
>> people such as Les and you that aren't far from me are on fixed wireless
>> and its garbage, in Hopetoun Park the NBN fixed wireless is slower than
>> the previous ADSL.
>
> It's just a massive mess and has been from the start. The service here
> is bearable, but it's *nothing* like yours and not worth anywhere near
> the hundred bucks a month it costs to have it.
>
>> If I had to complaint about the NBN it would be the price, I pay just
>> under $90.00 PM so it isn't cheap, I could get cheaper but I rather like
>> the unlimited data and higher speed.
>
> I don't mind paying for it if I'm getting what I'm paying for, but like
> everyone else I know who deals with Telstra I ain't. I'm on a 50Mbps
> fixed wireless plan, but if I ever get anything above 20Mbps I'm doing
> exceptionally well.
>
>> When I was in Qld in March I visited my sister and her husband who live
>> on the Gold Coast, they had a 5G Telstra system and it was even faster
>> than my NBN, so far they hadn't had any issues of it slowing down due to
>> congestion.
>
> Different story here. When I was on mobile wireless the average speed
> was "carrier pigeon" :)

Tell us again how great it is out in Bumhole Fraudster.
>
>>> A typical Labor fuck up in fact....
>>
>> Typical in that they often have great ideas but fuck up the
>> implementation although I think that what the Coalition changed actually
>> made it worse, neither of them got it right and to add insult to injury
>> 5G and satellite such as Starlink will make it obsolete.
>
> It was a fucked plan from the beginning that could *never* be made to
> work properly. To achieve the totally unrealistic objectives that Labor
> originally thought they could meet would have almost doubled the
> ridiculous initial costings making the project completely unaffordable,
> and the only thing left to do was to try and salvage what they could and
> keep the costs to a minimum.
>
> Has that worked? No. Well, not very well, but then the initial plan was
> such that it could *never* work well by design. All you could ever hope
> to do was cut as much loss out of it as you could.

Remarkable.

The only thing missing is 'Once Upon A Time' at the beginning.

alvey

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Re: Had an interesting visitor the past few days

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 by: Xeno - Mon, 16 May 2022 01:09 UTC

On 16/5/2022 6:56 am, alvey wrote:
> On Sun, 15 May 2022 12:14:42 +1000, Noddy wrote:
>
>> On 15/05/2022 11:54 am, Daryl wrote:
>>> On 15/5/2022 10:52 am, Noddy wrote:
>>>> On 15/05/2022 10:42 am, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>
>>>>> So thanks Labor for the lack of foresight and poor planning that left
>>>>> the Coalition with a white elephant to fix.
>>>>
>>>> Yep. The ABN was a *huge* cluster fuck from the get-go. Ridiculously
>>>> optimistic in it's goals, and hopelessly under budgeted. It was
>>>> *never* going to work as intended, and has been nothing but a white
>>>> elephant ever since.
>>>
>>> I've been lucky in that both my houses have had fibre to the premises so
>>> I have had zero problems, great speed and reliability, I did a speed
>>> test just now and it was 269.15Mbps down and 22.65Mbps up, I haven't
>>> seen anything below 200Mbps for a long time but its nuts that some
>>> people such as Les and you that aren't far from me are on fixed wireless
>>> and its garbage, in Hopetoun Park the NBN fixed wireless is slower than
>>> the previous ADSL.
>>
>> It's just a massive mess and has been from the start. The service here
>> is bearable, but it's *nothing* like yours and not worth anywhere near
>> the hundred bucks a month it costs to have it.
>>
>>> If I had to complaint about the NBN it would be the price, I pay just
>>> under $90.00 PM so it isn't cheap, I could get cheaper but I rather like
>>> the unlimited data and higher speed.
>>
>> I don't mind paying for it if I'm getting what I'm paying for, but like
>> everyone else I know who deals with Telstra I ain't. I'm on a 50Mbps
>> fixed wireless plan, but if I ever get anything above 20Mbps I'm doing
>> exceptionally well.
>>
>>> When I was in Qld in March I visited my sister and her husband who live
>>> on the Gold Coast, they had a 5G Telstra system and it was even faster
>>> than my NBN, so far they hadn't had any issues of it slowing down due to
>>> congestion.
>>
>> Different story here. When I was on mobile wireless the average speed
>> was "carrier pigeon" :)
>
> Tell us again how great it is out in Bumhole Fraudster.

Interesting, I pay Optus $60 for unlimited at a mid tier, 50 down, 25 up
and I just did a speedcheck - I'm currently getting 46.2 / 18.8 which is
more than adequate for our needs. Not complaining.
>>
>>>> A typical Labor fuck up in fact....
>>>
>>> Typical in that they often have great ideas but fuck up the
>>> implementation although I think that what the Coalition changed actually
>>> made it worse, neither of them got it right and to add insult to injury
>>> 5G and satellite such as Starlink will make it obsolete.
>>
>> It was a fucked plan from the beginning that could *never* be made to
>> work properly. To achieve the totally unrealistic objectives that Labor
>> originally thought they could meet would have almost doubled the
>> ridiculous initial costings making the project completely unaffordable,
>> and the only thing left to do was to try and salvage what they could and
>> keep the costs to a minimum.
>>
>> Has that worked? No. Well, not very well, but then the initial plan was
>> such that it could *never* work well by design. All you could ever hope
>> to do was cut as much loss out of it as you could.
>
> Remarkable.
>
> The only thing missing is 'Once Upon A Time' at the beginning.
>
>
>
> alvey
>

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 by: Clocky - Mon, 16 May 2022 05:21 UTC

On 15/05/2022 10:14 am, Noddy wrote:

> I don't mind paying for it if I'm getting what I'm paying for, but like
> everyone else I know who deals with Telstra I ain't. I'm on a 50Mbps
> fixed wireless plan, but if I ever get anything above 20Mbps I'm doing
> exceptionally well.
>

LOL!

No wonder your kid listens to vinyls, that's all that fucking works in
that shithole you live in :-)

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