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Re: Had an interesting visitor the past few days

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 by: John_H - Sat, 21 May 2022 23:56 UTC

Noddy wrote:
>On 20/05/2022 10:15 am, John_H wrote:
>> Noddy wrote:
>
>>>> The 2500TC and 2.5 PI were available concurrently for about a year,
>>>> but production of the expensive and troublesome injected engine
>>>> ceased in the early summer of 1975, leading to the deletion of both
>>>> the TR6 PI and 2.5 PI. The latter was replaced by a new 2500S model,
>>>> also carbureted, but with revised intake and exhaust manifolds and
>>>> bigger S.U. HS6 carburetors, giving 106 PS (78 kW) DIN and 139 lb-ft
>>>> (188 N-m) of torque.
>>>
>>> Despite your claims it flat out states that the 2500pi was indeed
>>> replaced with the carburetted 2500S model.
>>>
>>> Either they're wrong, or your are.
>>
>> Yep, thought I was reading the history of the 2000, 2.5 PI and 2500C.
>> The 2500S doesn't belong in that group, which is probably why it went
>> under my radar. The former were STI / Leyland Motors models, the
>> 2500S was British Leyland The bit you've quoted is certainly wrong
>> and merely demonstrates that if you google hard enough you can prove,
>> or disprove, anything
>
>Right. So I've seen that comment echoed in a couple of places now, but
>according to you they're all wrong and you're right.

What comment was that?

>I see :)
>
>> Last PI was sold here in 1974 whereas the 2500S was released in 1977
>> which hardly makes it a replacement for the 2.5 PI.
>
>Perhaps not in this country, but clearly in other parts of the world and
>there may have been external forces that determined that.

I might be wrong about the release date as the model didn't interest
me in the slightest since it was a British Leyland model which
separated it from the pre-existing Triumph range.

>> The TR6 was replaced by the shit awful TR7, another BL creation as was the Triumph
>> Stag generally regarded as a lemon along with the Leyland P76 of the
>> same era. The only genuine performance model from BL was the Dolomite
>> Sprint which went like the clappers but was notoriously unreliable.
>> One ran at Bathurst during the open era IIRC but probably never
>> finished.

>> PIs were in production for 7 years so it must've taken an awful long
>> time to work out they were troublesome and expensive to produce.
>
>That wouldn't surprise me in the slightest either. Jaguar made the XJ
>series for many years, and for it's entire life it was an unreliable
>heap of shit. The fact that they kept making it anyway tells you a lot
>about the attitude of the British, and their unwillingness to accept
>that they were wrong.

From 1969 until 1975 Jaguar were a division of BLMC who turned a lot
of cars to shit before they went bust in 1975 and were nationalised by
the British government. After which Jaguar was sold to Ford who
probably made them even shittier. They actually made some great cars
back when they were an independent company.

>> Only '74 model I had any experience with was a TR6 that was dramatically
>> detuned compared to previous models, which supported the story it was
>> an emission issue.

>As I said, given the troublesome nature of the Lucas system in a street
>car capacity, I'm convinced that the "emissions" story was nothing but a
>face saving exit strategy for Triumph. Not unless you're of the belief
>that they were better at tuning carburetors than they were fuel
>injection systems :)

Most mechanics were and plenty of 'em weren't very good at tuning
carbies either... fortunately most carbs of the era only had idling
adjustments. Formula 1 mechanics are obviously a smarter lot....
http://www.lucasinjection.com/1973_lucas_ad2.jpg

Regarding emissions. In response to Californian emission standards
already in effect STI marketed a TR250 model in the US in 1968, which
was a carburetted version of the TR5. It was around 30% down on power.
The TR6 that followed underwent modifications to the throttle bodies
and was successfully marketed in the US. Subsequent regulations in
the US and elsewhere would've certainly resulted in non compliance as
it didn't have the same degree of mixture control as compliant
carburetted cars of that era. Nor did it have any compensation for
altitude or atmospheric conditions as do modern EFI systems which are
far, far more complicated.

In fact it was a well proven system having been originally designed
for the Rolls-Royce Merlln around the end of WW2 (AFAIK none fell out
of the sky as a consequence). Other than being a radical departure
from carburetors it was a relatively simple, performance orientated,
system used on numerous competition engines. It was still in
production in the 1980s until EFI caught up with it.

>> Last model sold as a Triumph was a rebadged Honda shortly before BL
>> dropped the name which now belongs to BMW AFAIK. Jaguar and Rover
>> went to Tata (India), MG went to China and a number of others went to
>> God.

>Was it based on a Honda Integra by any chance? Can't say I'm familiar
>with the Honda based Triumph, but I know Rover did a variant of the late
>80's Integra that was sold here in Australia with the only appreciable
>difference being that the Rover "Integra" was a 4 door body that was
>unique to them. I'm not sure if it was made by Honda as a "rebadge" or
>if Rover made it themselves, but apart from having two extra doors it
>was a Honda Integra for all intents and purposes.

No idea, having no interest in anything British post 1975.

>I was working at the Honda dealership at the time they were around, and
>it used to annoy the crap out their owners that we wouldn't service them.
>
>> None of which is relevant to your original claim... *Thirdly, and
>> probably most comical of the lot, would be who the *fuck*
>> "rallies" a Triumph 2500? The fucking safety car would be quicker :)*
>
>It was largely a tongue in cheek comment, but still. Had an XU1 been on
>the track with Clasener's mate he wouldn't have been doing anything
>other than playing catch up :)

Funny thing that. I knew owners of both a limited production Bathurst
XU1 and a standard production XU1 GTR (both were inline sixes). The
first was very quick and latter relatively slow... a bog stock 2.5 PI
would've creamed it. It also had the worst sorted suspension I ever
came across on a car of that era.

>> Can't help wondering what the safety car may have been... do they even
>> have 'em at rallies?
>
>Not sure. They probably have Ambulances, and they'd probably be quicker.

Aerial ambulances most likely! :)

--
John H

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On 12/05/2022 2:57 pm, Xeno wrote:
> On 12/5/2022 12:38 pm, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>> On 11/05/2022 1:24 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>> On 11/5/2022 11:43 am, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>>> On 10/05/2022 5:51 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>>>> and he should be back at work in Victoria by now. Third time now
>>>>> that he and his wife visited and we've had a lot of very
>>>>> interesting conversations in the short time he was here.
>>>>>
>>>>> His name I can publish here - Joe Wilson - since he has a thriving
>>>>> little business in Victoria called *Heritage Motorsport*. He used
>>>>> to have a website but closed it down since he was on the verge of
>>>>> retirement a few years back. What does he do? He makes rally car
>>>>> suspensions systems and, these days, focuses on shockers and other
>>>>> major components like Mcpherson Struts. He will build you a
>>>>> complete fully adjustable Mcpherson strut for your rally car.
>>>>>
>>>>> He does still have a Facebook page;
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/heritagemotorsport27/
>>>>>
>>>>> Joe started out life as a fitter/machinist, no motor mechanic
>>>>> training whatsoever. He got into rallying early in his trade career
>>>>> after a machining apprenticeship at the Herald Sun newspaper. Since
>>>>> then his working life has revolved around cars and the rally scene.
>>>>> You can see some examples of his craft on his Facebook page. He
>>>>> once used to manufacture OEM Bilstein shocks. I think I have
>>>>> mentioned Joe on aus.cars once before. Even though Joe isn't a
>>>>> qualified mechanic, he is way more *relevant* to the automotive
>>>>> industry than any Noddy who claims to be and that's because he has
>>>>> actually done an apprenticeship in a related field. He has also
>>>>> been able to transfer the knowledge and skills from the machining
>>>>> trade to automotive and, in the process, has become a steering and
>>>>> suspension specialist beyond compare going beyond mere repairs to
>>>>> design and manufacture. I was really impressed by his strut vernier
>>>>> adjustment for caster and camber - really impressive and gives a
>>>>> lot of flexibility with steering geometry.
>>>>
>>>> Ask him if he knew this man. Name and location...
>>>>
>>>> https://imgur.com/a/TTSH0mu
>>>>
>>> I have a better idea. Why don't *you* ask him direct? You have Joe's
>>> work phone and email on his Facebook page so there's nothing stopping
>>> you. While you're at it, ask him if he knows *me* and if he was a
>>> visitor here recently. He'll be up your way shortly, or at least to
>>> the Sunny Coast. Work related I think and he's flying up sans missus
>>> this time round!
>>>
>>>
>> Because I asked you to do it.
>
> I'm afraid that provides me with no compulsion to act as a go-between. I
> know Joe personally. You want to see if Joe knows someone, from only a
> photo, I suggest the onus falls upon *you* to make the call. Or you
> could simply send him an email. Be aware that he is a rather busy chap
> and is off to Thailand at the end of June. He has a lot of product to
> get out the door prior to his OS trip, probably involving some of those
> components he manufactured and has featured on his Facebook page.
>
>> The Sunny Coast is a bloody long way from where I am.
>
> It's in Queensland, you're in Queensland, what more do you want?

Townsville to Sunshine coast 1246Km
Coffs to Sunshine coast 490Km

>> As usual you squib out on anything asked of you.
>
> I seem to recall *providing* a name and phone number in the past along
> with a suggestion you, or Darren, ring it. That call went unmade.
>
> On this occasion, I have provided a name, a number, plus photos (on
> Facebook) yet again you demur.
>
> There are squibbers here but I'm not one. Has Darren shown you his
> *claimed* trade papers yet? No?? There one huge squib right there.
>

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 by: jonz@ nothere.com - Sun, 22 May 2022 01:28 UTC

On Saturday, 14 May 2022 at 10:51:59 UTC+10, Xeno wrote:
> On 14/5/2022 9:35 am, Noddy wrote:
> > On 14/05/2022 8:28 am, John_H wrote:
> >> Xeno wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>> The Lucas PI system is one of those systems where, if you know
> >>> nothing about how it operates or how to set one up, you need to stay
> >>> well away from. They are a relatively simple system but there are
> >>> caveats with adjustment.
> >>
> >> In fact the metering unit was fully preset and there were no in
> >> service adjustments within the system itself.
> >
> > ROTFL :)
> >
> > Once again Clasener gets his arse handed to him in being shown that
> > trying to pass Google off as personal experience just ain't gonna fly :)
> >
> >
> Ah, Darren, I actually studied that system way back in my apprenticeship
> days a very long time ago (yes, I did an apprenticeship, unlike you) but
> there was not a single Lucas PI system equipped car in the entire
> district so I never actually got to work on one. I'm *sure* I mentioned
> that in a past post. The Bosch K-Jetronic (CIS) system, on the other
> hand, was common around the district being fitted to a range of Euros.
> Those I did get to study and work on through my apprenticeship and later
> and even got to study those and later Bosch systems in specialist fuel
> injection training post apprenticeship. You, on the other hand, would
> never have worked on a Lucas PI system in your life nor, for that
> matter, ever had any training in their operation. You're the exact sort
> of nuff nuff that stuffs those systems up when you tinker with them
> since *Google* is all you have backing you up.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Translation:
I will *never* admit that I was *wrong*....
I have *never* worked on one, (in fact don`t know sfa about them) however, I wont let that stop me from running my mouth... (transferred experience mayhap?)

> --
> Xeno
>
>
> Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
> (with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

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 by: Xeno - Sun, 22 May 2022 01:53 UTC

On 22/5/2022 9:59 am, keithr0 wrote:
> On 12/05/2022 2:57 pm, Xeno wrote:
>> On 12/5/2022 12:38 pm, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>> On 11/05/2022 1:24 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>>> On 11/5/2022 11:43 am, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>>>> On 10/05/2022 5:51 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>>>>> and he should be back at work in Victoria by now. Third time now
>>>>>> that he and his wife visited and we've had a lot of very
>>>>>> interesting conversations in the short time he was here.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> His name I can publish here - Joe Wilson - since he has a thriving
>>>>>> little business in Victoria called *Heritage Motorsport*. He used
>>>>>> to have a website but closed it down since he was on the verge of
>>>>>> retirement a few years back. What does he do? He makes rally car
>>>>>> suspensions systems and, these days, focuses on shockers and other
>>>>>> major components like Mcpherson Struts. He will build you a
>>>>>> complete fully adjustable Mcpherson strut for your rally car.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> He does still have a Facebook page;
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/heritagemotorsport27/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Joe started out life as a fitter/machinist, no motor mechanic
>>>>>> training whatsoever. He got into rallying early in his trade
>>>>>> career after a machining apprenticeship at the Herald Sun
>>>>>> newspaper. Since then his working life has revolved around cars
>>>>>> and the rally scene. You can see some examples of his craft on his
>>>>>> Facebook page. He once used to manufacture OEM Bilstein shocks. I
>>>>>> think I have mentioned Joe on aus.cars once before. Even though
>>>>>> Joe isn't a qualified mechanic, he is way more *relevant* to the
>>>>>> automotive industry than any Noddy who claims to be and that's
>>>>>> because he has actually done an apprenticeship in a related field.
>>>>>> He has also been able to transfer the knowledge and skills from
>>>>>> the machining trade to automotive and, in the process, has become
>>>>>> a steering and suspension specialist beyond compare going beyond
>>>>>> mere repairs to design and manufacture. I was really impressed by
>>>>>> his strut vernier adjustment for caster and camber - really
>>>>>> impressive and gives a lot of flexibility with steering geometry.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ask him if he knew this man. Name and location...
>>>>>
>>>>> https://imgur.com/a/TTSH0mu
>>>>>
>>>> I have a better idea. Why don't *you* ask him direct? You have Joe's
>>>> work phone and email on his Facebook page so there's nothing
>>>> stopping you. While you're at it, ask him if he knows *me* and if he
>>>> was a visitor here recently. He'll be up your way shortly, or at
>>>> least to the Sunny Coast. Work related I think and he's flying up
>>>> sans missus this time round!
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Because I asked you to do it.
>>
>> I'm afraid that provides me with no compulsion to act as a go-between.
>> I know Joe personally. You want to see if Joe knows someone, from only
>> a photo, I suggest the onus falls upon *you* to make the call. Or you
>> could simply send him an email. Be aware that he is a rather busy chap
>> and is off to Thailand at the end of June. He has a lot of product to
>> get out the door prior to his OS trip, probably involving some of
>> those components he manufactured and has featured on his Facebook page.
>>
>>> The Sunny Coast is a bloody long way from where I am.
>>
>> It's in Queensland, you're in Queensland, what more do you want?
>
> Townsville to Sunshine coast 1246Km

Not quite as far as from here to Melbourne - ~1400 kilometres.

> Coffs to Sunshine coast 490Km

In know that, I was being facetious. I have a mate who lives in
Townsville. And a step-brother.

Speaking of Queensland, was up there a few days back. The little woman
said at 12:30pm Thursday that she wanted to do some shopping at Harbour
Town on the Gold Coast. At 1:30PM we were on the road North. Forgot that
Blues on Broadbeach was on, all accommodation booked out, ended up in a
caravan park cabin in Tweed Head South, the only place with a vacancy
and the last cabin they had available. Lucky. Next day, Harbour Town,
Pacific Fair, Star Casino - then home. Next trip - Sydney, Bateman's
Bay. That will be another spur of the moment trip when the ideal
opportunity arises.

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(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

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 by: Xeno - Sun, 22 May 2022 01:59 UTC

On 22/5/2022 9:56 am, John_H wrote:
> Noddy wrote:
>> On 20/05/2022 10:15 am, John_H wrote:
>>> Noddy wrote:
>>
>>>>> The 2500TC and 2.5 PI were available concurrently for about a year,
>>>>> but production of the expensive and troublesome injected engine
>>>>> ceased in the early summer of 1975, leading to the deletion of both
>>>>> the TR6 PI and 2.5 PI. The latter was replaced by a new 2500S model,
>>>>> also carbureted, but with revised intake and exhaust manifolds and
>>>>> bigger S.U. HS6 carburetors, giving 106 PS (78 kW) DIN and 139 lb-ft
>>>>> (188 N-m) of torque.
>>>>
>>>> Despite your claims it flat out states that the 2500pi was indeed
>>>> replaced with the carburetted 2500S model.
>>>>
>>>> Either they're wrong, or your are.
>>>
>>> Yep, thought I was reading the history of the 2000, 2.5 PI and 2500C.
>>> The 2500S doesn't belong in that group, which is probably why it went
>>> under my radar. The former were STI / Leyland Motors models, the
>>> 2500S was British Leyland The bit you've quoted is certainly wrong
>>> and merely demonstrates that if you google hard enough you can prove,
>>> or disprove, anything
>>
>> Right. So I've seen that comment echoed in a couple of places now, but
>> according to you they're all wrong and you're right.
>
> What comment was that?
>
>> I see :)
>>
>>> Last PI was sold here in 1974 whereas the 2500S was released in 1977
>>> which hardly makes it a replacement for the 2.5 PI.
>>
>> Perhaps not in this country, but clearly in other parts of the world and
>> there may have been external forces that determined that.
>
> I might be wrong about the release date as the model didn't interest
> me in the slightest since it was a British Leyland model which
> separated it from the pre-existing Triumph range.
>
>>> The TR6 was replaced by the shit awful TR7, another BL creation as was the Triumph
>>> Stag generally regarded as a lemon along with the Leyland P76 of the
>>> same era. The only genuine performance model from BL was the Dolomite
>>> Sprint which went like the clappers but was notoriously unreliable.
>>> One ran at Bathurst during the open era IIRC but probably never
>>> finished.
>
>>> PIs were in production for 7 years so it must've taken an awful long
>>> time to work out they were troublesome and expensive to produce.
>>
>> That wouldn't surprise me in the slightest either. Jaguar made the XJ
>> series for many years, and for it's entire life it was an unreliable
>> heap of shit. The fact that they kept making it anyway tells you a lot
>> about the attitude of the British, and their unwillingness to accept
>> that they were wrong.
>
> From 1969 until 1975 Jaguar were a division of BLMC who turned a lot
> of cars to shit before they went bust in 1975 and were nationalised by
> the British government. After which Jaguar was sold to Ford who
> probably made them even shittier. They actually made some great cars
> back when they were an independent company.
>
>>> Only '74 model I had any experience with was a TR6 that was dramatically
>>> detuned compared to previous models, which supported the story it was
>>> an emission issue.
>
>> As I said, given the troublesome nature of the Lucas system in a street
>> car capacity, I'm convinced that the "emissions" story was nothing but a
>> face saving exit strategy for Triumph. Not unless you're of the belief
>> that they were better at tuning carburetors than they were fuel
>> injection systems :)
>
> Most mechanics were and plenty of 'em weren't very good at tuning
> carbies either... fortunately most carbs of the era only had idling
> adjustments. Formula 1 mechanics are obviously a smarter lot....
> http://www.lucasinjection.com/1973_lucas_ad2.jpg
>
> Regarding emissions. In response to Californian emission standards
> already in effect STI marketed a TR250 model in the US in 1968, which
> was a carburetted version of the TR5. It was around 30% down on power.
> The TR6 that followed underwent modifications to the throttle bodies
> and was successfully marketed in the US. Subsequent regulations in
> the US and elsewhere would've certainly resulted in non compliance as
> it didn't have the same degree of mixture control as compliant
> carburetted cars of that era. Nor did it have any compensation for
> altitude or atmospheric conditions as do modern EFI systems which are
> far, far more complicated.
>
> In fact it was a well proven system having been originally designed
> for the Rolls-Royce Merlln around the end of WW2 (AFAIK none fell out
> of the sky as a consequence). Other than being a radical departure
> from carburetors it was a relatively simple, performance orientated,
> system used on numerous competition engines. It was still in
> production in the 1980s until EFI caught up with it.
>
>>> Last model sold as a Triumph was a rebadged Honda shortly before BL
>>> dropped the name which now belongs to BMW AFAIK. Jaguar and Rover
>>> went to Tata (India), MG went to China and a number of others went to
>>> God.
>
>> Was it based on a Honda Integra by any chance? Can't say I'm familiar
>> with the Honda based Triumph, but I know Rover did a variant of the late
>> 80's Integra that was sold here in Australia with the only appreciable
>> difference being that the Rover "Integra" was a 4 door body that was
>> unique to them. I'm not sure if it was made by Honda as a "rebadge" or
>> if Rover made it themselves, but apart from having two extra doors it
>> was a Honda Integra for all intents and purposes.
>
> No idea, having no interest in anything British post 1975.
>
>> I was working at the Honda dealership at the time they were around, and
>> it used to annoy the crap out their owners that we wouldn't service them.
>>
>>> None of which is relevant to your original claim... *Thirdly, and
>>> probably most comical of the lot, would be who the *fuck*
>>> "rallies" a Triumph 2500? The fucking safety car would be quicker :)*
>>
>> It was largely a tongue in cheek comment, but still. Had an XU1 been on
>> the track with Clasener's mate he wouldn't have been doing anything
>> other than playing catch up :)
>
> Funny thing that. I knew owners of both a limited production Bathurst
> XU1 and a standard production XU1 GTR (both were inline sixes). The
> first was very quick and latter relatively slow... a bog stock 2.5 PI
> would've creamed it. It also had the worst sorted suspension I ever
> came across on a car of that era.

GM-H did some horrible contortions with the suspension on those 6
cylinder Toranas. Camber scrub was absolutely horrible with *standard*
width wheels and tyres, it got no better on the GTR models. The only
good thing to say about the GTR models was that they were hard to roll.
>
>>> Can't help wondering what the safety car may have been... do they even
>>> have 'em at rallies?
>>
>> Not sure. They probably have Ambulances, and they'd probably be quicker.
>
> Aerial ambulances most likely! :)
>

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 by: keithr0 - Sun, 22 May 2022 02:01 UTC

On 22/05/2022 11:53 am, Xeno wrote:
> On 22/5/2022 9:59 am, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 12/05/2022 2:57 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>> On 12/5/2022 12:38 pm, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>>> On 11/05/2022 1:24 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>>>> On 11/5/2022 11:43 am, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>>>>> On 10/05/2022 5:51 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>>>>>> and he should be back at work in Victoria by now. Third time now
>>>>>>> that he and his wife visited and we've had a lot of very
>>>>>>> interesting conversations in the short time he was here.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> His name I can publish here - Joe Wilson - since he has a
>>>>>>> thriving little business in Victoria called *Heritage
>>>>>>> Motorsport*. He used to have a website but closed it down since
>>>>>>> he was on the verge of retirement a few years back. What does he
>>>>>>> do? He makes rally car suspensions systems and, these days,
>>>>>>> focuses on shockers and other major components like Mcpherson
>>>>>>> Struts. He will build you a complete fully adjustable Mcpherson
>>>>>>> strut for your rally car.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> He does still have a Facebook page;
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/heritagemotorsport27/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Joe started out life as a fitter/machinist, no motor mechanic
>>>>>>> training whatsoever. He got into rallying early in his trade
>>>>>>> career after a machining apprenticeship at the Herald Sun
>>>>>>> newspaper. Since then his working life has revolved around cars
>>>>>>> and the rally scene. You can see some examples of his craft on
>>>>>>> his Facebook page. He once used to manufacture OEM Bilstein
>>>>>>> shocks. I think I have mentioned Joe on aus.cars once before.
>>>>>>> Even though Joe isn't a qualified mechanic, he is way more
>>>>>>> *relevant* to the automotive industry than any Noddy who claims
>>>>>>> to be and that's because he has actually done an apprenticeship
>>>>>>> in a related field. He has also been able to transfer the
>>>>>>> knowledge and skills from the machining trade to automotive and,
>>>>>>> in the process, has become a steering and suspension specialist
>>>>>>> beyond compare going beyond mere repairs to design and
>>>>>>> manufacture. I was really impressed by his strut vernier
>>>>>>> adjustment for caster and camber - really impressive and gives a
>>>>>>> lot of flexibility with steering geometry.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ask him if he knew this man. Name and location...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://imgur.com/a/TTSH0mu
>>>>>>
>>>>> I have a better idea. Why don't *you* ask him direct? You have
>>>>> Joe's work phone and email on his Facebook page so there's nothing
>>>>> stopping you. While you're at it, ask him if he knows *me* and if
>>>>> he was a visitor here recently. He'll be up your way shortly, or at
>>>>> least to the Sunny Coast. Work related I think and he's flying up
>>>>> sans missus this time round!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Because I asked you to do it.
>>>
>>> I'm afraid that provides me with no compulsion to act as a
>>> go-between. I know Joe personally. You want to see if Joe knows
>>> someone, from only a photo, I suggest the onus falls upon *you* to
>>> make the call. Or you could simply send him an email. Be aware that
>>> he is a rather busy chap and is off to Thailand at the end of June.
>>> He has a lot of product to get out the door prior to his OS trip,
>>> probably involving some of those components he manufactured and has
>>> featured on his Facebook page.
>>>
>>>> The Sunny Coast is a bloody long way from where I am.
>>>
>>> It's in Queensland, you're in Queensland, what more do you want?
>>
>> Townsville to Sunshine coast 1246Km
>
> Not quite as far as from here to Melbourne - ~1400 kilometres.

Some years ago, I had to install some gear in Cairns. There was a
problem, and I needed a part from Brisbane. I called the project manager
in Melbourne to tell him that the gear would not be up until next day.
He winged that, if the part was just coming from Brisbane, then it
should be quicker than that. I had to point out to him that he was
closer to Brisbane than me. A lot of people down south don't seem to
realise how big Queensland is.

>> Coffs to Sunshine coast 490Km
>
> In know that, I was being facetious. I have a mate who lives in
> Townsville. And a step-brother.
>
> Speaking of Queensland, was up there a few days back. The little woman
> said at 12:30pm Thursday that she wanted to do some shopping at Harbour
> Town on the Gold Coast. At 1:30PM we were on the road North. Forgot that
> Blues on Broadbeach was on, all accommodation booked out, ended up in a
> caravan park cabin in Tweed Head South, the only place with a vacancy
> and the last cabin they had available. Lucky.  Next day, Harbour Town,
> Pacific Fair, Star Casino - then home. Next trip - Sydney, Bateman's
> Bay. That will be another spur of the moment trip when the ideal
> opportunity arises.
>
>
>

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On Tuesday, 17 May 2022 at 15:25:27 UTC+10, Xeno wrote:
> On 17/5/2022 12:00 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> > On 17/05/2022 11:43 am, Xeno wrote:
> >> On 17/5/2022 10:21 am, Noddy wrote:
> >>> On 17/05/2022 9:49 am, Daryl wrote:
> >>>> On 16/5/2022 10:03 pm, Noddy wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>> Dunno, but in my books anything that comes out of a bottle that
> >>>>> claims it protects valves and guides, and enables old fashioned
> >>>>> clearing of fouled spark plugs isn't something I'd bother buying :)
> >>>>
> >>>> In the long run it would be cheaper to remove the head and modify to
> >>>> better suit unleaded fuel.
> >>>
> >>> That's the only way to solve the problems associated with running
> >>> unleaded fuel in an engine without hardened valve seats, as there are
> >>> no "upper cylinder lubricant" solutions that will do what lead did.
> >>>
> >> An upper cylinder lubricant is designed to, well, lubricate the upper
> >> cylinder and, hopefully, the valve guides. Not designed generally as
> >> an octane enhancement unless it specifically states as much on the
> >> packaging.
> >>>
> >>>>>> I also wonder if its possible to modify cars with old style
> >>>>>> mechanical injection to run a modern EFI system, maybe with some
> >>>>>> sort of adapter replace the old injectors with new type then an
> >>>>>> aftermarket ECU such as a Haltech, you would also need some sort
> >>>>>> of crank/cam position sensor plus lots of other wiring and fuel
> >>>>>> plumbing but I can't see why it wouldn't work.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The only thing stopping it from working would be the amount of time
> >>>>> and money you were prepared to sink into it.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Plenty of old cars such as MB and Porsche run mechanical injection
> >>>>>> so I wasn't just thinking about the Triumph.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You can get after-market kits to suit just about anything, or you
> >>>>> can make your own hybrid version. I don't think it'd be at all
> >>>>> difficult. The only question would be whether or not you wanted to.
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Might be worth the effort on an old classic that was worth big money
> >>>> but then you might ruin the originality.
> >>>> I've seen what looked like side draft Webers on an old Jag engine
> >>>> that were actually something like the Holley Sniper EFI system so
> >>>> best of both worlds.
> >>>
> >>> That's one possible solution. Crafting something that looks original.
> >>>
> >>> An alternative is Toluene. It's been used for years as an anti knock
> >>> additive for high compression engines running "pump fuel", it's still
> >>> commonly available, is relatively cheap in large quantities and would
> >>> work fine with any of today's unleaded fuels.
> >>>
> >>> There's also E85 and Premium 98 which will happily suit most classic
> >>> cars these days.
> >>
> >> E85 does *not* suit classic cars. You should know this Darren, even
> >> with having had an apprenticeship. Corrosion in the fuel system,
> >> remember?
> >>
> >>
> >
> > even "without" having had an apprenticeship
> >
> Thank you for the follow-up correction.
>
> Whatever was I thinking! Slaps self upside the head!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Just *another* freudian slip of course...
> --
> Xeno
>
>
> Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
> (with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

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 by: Noddy - Sun, 22 May 2022 03:02 UTC

On 22/05/2022 11:28 am, jonz@ nothere.com wrote:
> On Saturday, 14 May 2022 at 10:51:59 UTC+10, Xeno wrote:
>> On 14/5/2022 9:35 am, Noddy wrote:
>>> On 14/05/2022 8:28 am, John_H wrote:
>>>> Xeno wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> The Lucas PI system is one of those systems where, if you know
>>>>> nothing about how it operates or how to set one up, you need to stay
>>>>> well away from. They are a relatively simple system but there are
>>>>> caveats with adjustment.
>>>>
>>>> In fact the metering unit was fully preset and there were no in
>>>> service adjustments within the system itself.
>>>
>>> ROTFL :)
>>>
>>> Once again Clasener gets his arse handed to him in being shown that
>>> trying to pass Google off as personal experience just ain't gonna fly :)
>>>
>>>
>> Ah, Darren, I actually studied that system way back in my apprenticeship
>> days a very long time ago (yes, I did an apprenticeship, unlike you) but
>> there was not a single Lucas PI system equipped car in the entire
>> district so I never actually got to work on one. I'm *sure* I mentioned
>> that in a past post. The Bosch K-Jetronic (CIS) system, on the other
>> hand, was common around the district being fitted to a range of Euros.
>> Those I did get to study and work on through my apprenticeship and later
>> and even got to study those and later Bosch systems in specialist fuel
>> injection training post apprenticeship. You, on the other hand, would
>> never have worked on a Lucas PI system in your life nor, for that
>> matter, ever had any training in their operation. You're the exact sort
>> of nuff nuff that stuffs those systems up when you tinker with them
>> since *Google* is all you have backing you up.

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Translation:
> I will *never* admit that I was *wrong*....
> I have *never* worked on one, (in fact don`t know sfa about them) however, I wont let that stop me from running my mouth... (transferred experience mayhap?)

Lol :)

I've never come across a bloke who knows *so* much about shit he's never
actually had anything do with :)

--
--
--
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Noddy.

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keithr0 wrote:
>On 14/05/2022 3:01 pm, Noddy wrote:
>> On 14/05/2022 2:25 pm, John_H wrote:
>>> Noddy wrote:
>>
>>>> They were typical of most things with 4 wheels that Triumph made: Total
>>>> heaps of shit. They made world conquering bikes in their day, but their
>>>> cars were hopeless.
>
>>> What day would that have been?  :))
>>
>> As far as bikes go? The 1950's were their big game changer with the
>> Speed Twin. As far as cars go? Any time they made one :)
>
>The engines were good, the frames and suspension were shit. Try and push
>a 1950s sprung hub Speed Twin hard and you were taking your life in your
>hands. The later swing arm models were better, but putting the engine in
>a Norton frame was a much better idea.

Triumph motorcycles had their heyday in the 50s, which was probably as
much down to "The Wild One" as anything else....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wild_One

Their sprung hubs (Mk1 & 2) were crude attempts to extend the life of
a frame based on pushbike technology when every other British
manufacture was probably using some form of rear suspension. IIRC
they didn't go to swinging arm until 1955. I don't recall their ever
having a duplex frame whereas Norton had their "featherbed" frame by
1950 or thereabouts.

Triumph twins weren't bad by British standards although I've lost
count of the number I've seen with the conrods wrapped around the
crankshaft (bigends were prone to seizure when the centrifugal filter
inside the flywheel became blocked with sludge).

Nothing much improved in the 1960s since the he British motorcycle
industry was in decline with the japs making inroads and industrial
disputes affecting build quality. Honda won their first MotoGP around
1961 and it was all downhill from there.
>
>>> I've owned both Triumph cars and bikes and worked on heaps more of both
>>> and the only half decent thing about their bikes was the relative
>>> simplicity of the their B range vertical twin as compared to other
>>> British makes.

--
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 by: Xeno - Sun, 22 May 2022 03:19 UTC

Noddy <me@home.com> wrote:
> On 22/05/2022 11:28 am, jonz@ nothere.com wrote:
>> On Saturday, 14 May 2022 at 10:51:59 UTC+10, Xeno wrote:
>>> On 14/5/2022 9:35 am, Noddy wrote:
>>>> On 14/05/2022 8:28 am, John_H wrote:
>>>>> Xeno wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> The Lucas PI system is one of those systems where, if you know
>>>>>> nothing about how it operates or how to set one up, you need to stay
>>>>>> well away from. They are a relatively simple system but there are
>>>>>> caveats with adjustment.
>>>>>
>>>>> In fact the metering unit was fully preset and there were no in
>>>>> service adjustments within the system itself.
>>>>
>>>> ROTFL :)
>>>>
>>>> Once again Clasener gets his arse handed to him in being shown that
>>>> trying to pass Google off as personal experience just ain't gonna fly :)
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Ah, Darren, I actually studied that system way back in my apprenticeship
>>> days a very long time ago (yes, I did an apprenticeship, unlike you) but
>>> there was not a single Lucas PI system equipped car in the entire
>>> district so I never actually got to work on one. I'm *sure* I mentioned
>>> that in a past post. The Bosch K-Jetronic (CIS) system, on the other
>>> hand, was common around the district being fitted to a range of Euros.
>>> Those I did get to study and work on through my apprenticeship and later
>>> and even got to study those and later Bosch systems in specialist fuel
>>> injection training post apprenticeship. You, on the other hand, would
>>> never have worked on a Lucas PI system in your life nor, for that
>>> matter, ever had any training in their operation. You're the exact sort
>>> of nuff nuff that stuffs those systems up when you tinker with them
>>> since *Google* is all you have backing you up.
>
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> Translation:
>> I will *never* admit that I was *wrong*....
>> I have *never* worked on one, (in fact don`t know sfa about them)
>> however, I wont let that stop me from running my mouth... (transferred experience mayhap?)
>
> Lol :)
>
> I've never come across a bloke who knows *so* much about shit he's never
> actually had anything do with :)
>
Projection!

I’ve actually done an apprenticeship Darren while you dreamed up yours. And
Unlike you, I didn’t have to invent anything, my *training* was real, my
*hands-on experience* was real and I have certificates amassed over the
years to prove it. You, on the other hand, have nothing but an over-zealous
imagination and a propensity to bullshit your fool Head off. And you prove
that day after day after endless day.

--
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 by: Noddy - Sun, 22 May 2022 03:41 UTC

On 22/05/2022 9:56 am, John_H wrote:
> Noddy wrote:

>>> Yep, thought I was reading the history of the 2000, 2.5 PI and 2500C.
>>> The 2500S doesn't belong in that group, which is probably why it went
>>> under my radar. The former were STI / Leyland Motors models, the
>>> 2500S was British Leyland The bit you've quoted is certainly wrong
>>> and merely demonstrates that if you google hard enough you can prove,
>>> or disprove, anything
>>
>> Right. So I've seen that comment echoed in a couple of places now, but
>> according to you they're all wrong and you're right.
>
> What comment was that?

The "comment" that said that the 2500pi was replaced by the carburetted
2500S. I've shown a link to a cite that mentioned that here, but I've
seen it mentioned in a number of places now.

>>> Last PI was sold here in 1974 whereas the 2500S was released in 1977
>>> which hardly makes it a replacement for the 2.5 PI.
>>
>> Perhaps not in this country, but clearly in other parts of the world and
>> there may have been external forces that determined that.
>
> I might be wrong about the release date as the model didn't interest
> me in the slightest since it was a British Leyland model which
> separated it from the pre-existing Triumph range.

Fair enough.

>>> PIs were in production for 7 years so it must've taken an awful long
>>> time to work out they were troublesome and expensive to produce.
>>
>> That wouldn't surprise me in the slightest either. Jaguar made the XJ
>> series for many years, and for it's entire life it was an unreliable
>> heap of shit. The fact that they kept making it anyway tells you a lot
>> about the attitude of the British, and their unwillingness to accept
>> that they were wrong.
>
> From 1969 until 1975 Jaguar were a division of BLMC who turned a lot
> of cars to shit before they went bust in 1975 and were nationalised by
> the British government. After which Jaguar was sold to Ford who
> probably made them even shittier. They actually made some great cars
> back when they were an independent company.

They did *some* things right in my opinion. Their suspension and brake
systems were great, and they had the sense to never play around with
automatic transmissions instead leaving that task for those who had
experience and knowledge.

>>> Only '74 model I had any experience with was a TR6 that was dramatically
>>> detuned compared to previous models, which supported the story it was
>>> an emission issue.
>
>> As I said, given the troublesome nature of the Lucas system in a street
>> car capacity, I'm convinced that the "emissions" story was nothing but a
>> face saving exit strategy for Triumph. Not unless you're of the belief
>> that they were better at tuning carburetors than they were fuel
>> injection systems :)
>
> Most mechanics were and plenty of 'em weren't very good at tuning
> carbies either... fortunately most carbs of the era only had idling
> adjustments. Formula 1 mechanics are obviously a smarter lot....
> http://www.lucasinjection.com/1973_lucas_ad2.jpg

I don't imagine most F1 mechanics got the gig because they were idiots.
That said, there is a world of difference between tuning an engine for
flat out competition use and regular everyday street driving.

The Lucas system worked exceptionally well on race engines that spent
most of their time above 6000rpm, but on a basic everyday street driver
it was apparently less than stellar.

> Regarding emissions. In response to Californian emission standards
> already in effect STI marketed a TR250 model in the US in 1968, which
> was a carburetted version of the TR5. It was around 30% down on power.
> The TR6 that followed underwent modifications to the throttle bodies
> and was successfully marketed in the US. Subsequent regulations in
> the US and elsewhere would've certainly resulted in non compliance as
> it didn't have the same degree of mixture control as compliant
> carburetted cars of that era. Nor did it have any compensation for
> altitude or atmospheric conditions as do modern EFI systems which are
> far, far more complicated.
>
> In fact it was a well proven system having been originally designed
> for the Rolls-Royce Merlln around the end of WW2 (AFAIK none fell out
> of the sky as a consequence). Other than being a radical departure
> from carburetors it was a relatively simple, performance orientated,
> system used on numerous competition engines. It was still in
> production in the 1980s until EFI caught up with it.

I'm aware of it's success in competition roles, and if the truth be told
it would be unjust to declare it as anything other than astonishingly
successful on the race track. But as I've mentioned before just because
something has an illustrious career in a competition role doesn't
automatically mean that it will translate well onto the street.

Triumph apparently learned that lesson well, and the fact that no one
else seemed interesting in trying for themselves seems to confirm that.

>>> Last model sold as a Triumph was a rebadged Honda shortly before BL
>>> dropped the name which now belongs to BMW AFAIK. Jaguar and Rover
>>> went to Tata (India), MG went to China and a number of others went to
>>> God.
>
>> Was it based on a Honda Integra by any chance? Can't say I'm familiar
>> with the Honda based Triumph, but I know Rover did a variant of the late
>> 80's Integra that was sold here in Australia with the only appreciable
>> difference being that the Rover "Integra" was a 4 door body that was
>> unique to them. I'm not sure if it was made by Honda as a "rebadge" or
>> if Rover made it themselves, but apart from having two extra doors it
>> was a Honda Integra for all intents and purposes.
>
> No idea, having no interest in anything British post 1975.

Fair enough. The car I'm talking about was this:

> https://www.aronline.co.uk/cars/rover/rover-416i-vitesse/

...

>> It was largely a tongue in cheek comment, but still. Had an XU1 been on
>> the track with Clasener's mate he wouldn't have been doing anything
>> other than playing catch up :)
>
> Funny thing that. I knew owners of both a limited production Bathurst
> XU1 and a standard production XU1 GTR (both were inline sixes). The
> first was very quick and latter relatively slow... a bog stock 2.5 PI
> would've creamed it. It also had the worst sorted suspension I ever
> came across on a car of that era.

I think you may be getting your cars mixed up here.

As far as the LC and LJ versions of the Toranas go, there were two
distinctly different "performance" variants in each model series: The
Torana GTR, and the Torana GTR XU1. Both cars looked very similar
externally in that they had the same "sporty" paint colours, the same
black outs and racing stripes, the same wheels, the same bucket seat
interiors and sports instrumentation, but that's where the similarities
ended. Under the bonnet they were completely different beasts.

The "GTR" variant came with a very basic mechanical package that was
almost stock standard. The earlier LC variant came with a stock 161
cubic inch red motor with an Opal 4 speed, and the later LJ variant came
with a stock 202 and "Aussie" 4 speed. Both of these engines were as
"standard" as you'd find in any other car in the Holden range at the time.

The "XU1" version was completely different. In the LC variant they were
fitted with a 186S engine that ran a special head casting, high
compression pistons, special hydraulic cam, header exhaust system and
triple CD-150 Stromberg carburetors. The later LJ version was similarly
equipped with a 202 Red motor with the same features as the early
version, but the carburetors were increased in size to the CD-175
Strombies.

Both the GTR and GTR XU1 were off the showroom floor models available to
anyone who was prepared to plonk the money down to buy one, and there
wasn't really anything "limited" or "special" about them. However in
1972 and '73 Holden *did* build "Bathurst" versions of the LJ XU1 during
the months of July and August which added a bigger mechanical camshaft
and a slightly different head casting which pushed the power output to
around 215hp. A limited number of these "Bathurst specials" were built
to improve their chances on the various race tracks around the country,
and in fact Peter Brock won his first Bathurst race at the hands of one
prepped by the Holden Dealer Team in 1972.

Some of these Bathurst specials found their ways into the hands of
public, and I owned one as a daily driver in the 1980's which was a
lovely shade of "Chataeu Mauve" purple metallic.


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 by: Grumpy Tech - Sun, 22 May 2022 04:25 UTC

On 22/05/2022 9:59 am, keithr0 wrote:
> On 12/05/2022 2:57 pm, Xeno wrote:
>> On 12/5/2022 12:38 pm, Grumpy Tech wrote:

>>
>>> The Sunny Coast is a bloody long way from where I am.
>>
>> It's in Queensland, you're in Queensland, what more do you want?
>
> Townsville to Sunshine coast 1246Km
> Coffs to Sunshine coast 490Km
>

Speaking of which, I'm heading to Brisbane in a fortnight so where is
this museum you talk of. My mate who worked on the F111 would probably
like a photo of the one you have there. I'll be up the coast heading to
Rainbow Beach and possibly taking a drive up to 1770 as well.

I'll also catch up with a number of friends who have moved to the
Sunshine Coast over the last few years.

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 by: Yosemite Sam - Sun, 22 May 2022 05:22 UTC

On 22/05/2022 1:02 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 22/05/2022 11:28 am, jonz@ nothere.com wrote:
>> On Saturday, 14 May 2022 at 10:51:59 UTC+10, Xeno wrote:
>>> On 14/5/2022 9:35 am, Noddy wrote:
>>>> On 14/05/2022 8:28 am, John_H wrote:
>>>>> Xeno wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> The Lucas PI system is one of those systems where, if you know
>>>>>> nothing about how it operates or how to set one up, you need to stay
>>>>>> well away from. They are a relatively simple system but there are
>>>>>> caveats with adjustment.
>>>>>
>>>>> In fact the metering unit was fully preset and there were no in
>>>>> service adjustments within the system itself.
>>>>
>>>> ROTFL :)
>>>>
>>>> Once again Clasener gets his arse handed to him in being shown that
>>>> trying to pass Google off as personal experience just ain't gonna
>>>> fly :)
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Ah, Darren, I actually studied that system way back in my
>>> apprenticeship
>>> days a very long time ago (yes, I did an apprenticeship, unlike you)
>>> but
>>> there was not a single Lucas PI system equipped car in the entire
>>> district so I never actually got to work on one. I'm *sure* I mentioned
>>> that in a past post. The Bosch K-Jetronic (CIS) system, on the other
>>> hand, was common around the district being fitted to a range of Euros.
>>> Those I did get to study and work on through my apprenticeship and
>>> later
>>> and even got to study those and later Bosch systems in specialist fuel
>>> injection training post apprenticeship. You, on the other hand, would
>>> never have worked on a Lucas PI system in your life nor, for that
>>> matter, ever had any training in their operation. You're the exact sort
>>> of nuff nuff that stuffs those systems up when you tinker with them
>>> since *Google* is all you have backing you up.
>
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> Translation:
>>                I will *never* admit that I was *wrong*....
>>                       I have *never* worked on one, (in fact don`t
>> know sfa about them) however, I wont let that stop me from running my
>> mouth... (transferred experience mayhap?)
>
> Lol :)
>
> I've never come across a bloke who knows *so* much about shit he's
> never actually had anything do with :)
>
>
>
>

look in a mirror then

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FUCK PUTIN!!

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 by: keithr0 - Sun, 22 May 2022 07:26 UTC

On 22/05/2022 2:25 pm, Grumpy Tech wrote:
> On 22/05/2022 9:59 am, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 12/05/2022 2:57 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>> On 12/5/2022 12:38 pm, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>
>>>
>>>> The Sunny Coast is a bloody long way from where I am.
>>>
>>> It's in Queensland, you're in Queensland, what more do you want?
>>
>> Townsville to Sunshine coast 1246Km
>> Coffs to Sunshine coast 490Km
>>
>
> Speaking of which, I'm heading to Brisbane in a fortnight so where is
> this museum you talk of. My mate who worked on the F111 would probably
> like a photo of the one you have there. I'll be up the coast heading to
> Rainbow Beach and possibly taking a drive up to 1770 as well.

Pathfinder Drive
Caloundra.

I'll be there on Monday and Tuesday until about 2:00pm.

> I'll also catch up with a number of friends who have moved to the
> Sunshine Coast over the last few years.
>

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 by: lindsay - Sun, 22 May 2022 07:33 UTC

On 22/05/2022 2:25 pm, Grumpy Tech wrote:
> On 22/05/2022 9:59 am, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 12/05/2022 2:57 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>> On 12/5/2022 12:38 pm, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>
>>>
>>>> The Sunny Coast is a bloody long way from where I am.
>>>
>>> It's in Queensland, you're in Queensland, what more do you want?
>>
>> Townsville to Sunshine coast 1246Km
>> Coffs to Sunshine coast 490Km
>>
>
> Speaking of which, I'm heading to Brisbane in a fortnight so where is
> this museum you talk of. My mate who worked on the F111 would probably
> like a photo of the one you have there.

So would I. :-) Please! :-)

I'll be up the coast heading to
> Rainbow Beach and possibly taking a drive up to 1770 as well.
>
> I'll also catch up with a number of friends who have moved to the
> Sunshine Coast over the last few years.
>

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 by: jonz@ nothere.com - Sun, 22 May 2022 10:23 UTC

On Sunday, 22 May 2022 at 13:19:56 UTC+10, Xeno wrote:
> Noddy <m...@home.com> wrote:
> > On 22/05/2022 11:28 am, jonz@ nothere.com wrote:
> >> On Saturday, 14 May 2022 at 10:51:59 UTC+10, Xeno wrote:
> >>> On 14/5/2022 9:35 am, Noddy wrote:
> >>>> On 14/05/2022 8:28 am, John_H wrote:
> >>>>> Xeno wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> The Lucas PI system is one of those systems where, if you know
> >>>>>> nothing about how it operates or how to set one up, you need to stay
> >>>>>> well away from. They are a relatively simple system but there are
> >>>>>> caveats with adjustment.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> In fact the metering unit was fully preset and there were no in
> >>>>> service adjustments within the system itself.
> >>>>
> >>>> ROTFL :)
> >>>>
> >>>> Once again Clasener gets his arse handed to him in being shown that
> >>>> trying to pass Google off as personal experience just ain't gonna fly :)
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> Ah, Darren, I actually studied that system way back in my apprenticeship
> >>> days a very long time ago (yes, I did an apprenticeship, unlike you) but
> >>> there was not a single Lucas PI system equipped car in the entire
> >>> district so I never actually got to work on one. I'm *sure* I mentioned
> >>> that in a past post. The Bosch K-Jetronic (CIS) system, on the other
> >>> hand, was common around the district being fitted to a range of Euros..
> >>> Those I did get to study and work on through my apprenticeship and later
> >>> and even got to study those and later Bosch systems in specialist fuel
> >>> injection training post apprenticeship. You, on the other hand, would
> >>> never have worked on a Lucas PI system in your life nor, for that
> >>> matter, ever had any training in their operation. You're the exact sort
> >>> of nuff nuff that stuffs those systems up when you tinker with them
> >>> since *Google* is all you have backing you up.
> >
> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >> Translation:
> >> I will *never* admit that I was *wrong*....
> >> I have *never* worked on one, (in fact don`t know sfa about them)
> >> however, I wont let that stop me from running my mouth... (transferred experience mayhap?)
> >
> > Lol :)
> >
> > I've never come across a bloke who knows *so* much about shit he's never
> > actually had anything do with :)
> >
> Projection!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
No projection there, he, I, and others have got your number krypsis.....

>
> I’ve actually done an apprenticeship Darren while you dreamed up yours. And
> Unlike you, I didn’t have to invent anything, my *training* was real, my
> *hands-on experience* was real and I have certificates amassed over the
> years to prove it.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
HEH, *Bits of paper* and theory.......*Prove* SFA... Give up the sham!.
You, on the other hand, have nothing but an over-zealous
> imagination and a propensity to bullshit your fool Head off. And you prove
> that day after day after endless day.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~
YEP, you keep coming back for more. <FBG>
>
>
> --
> Xeno

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 by: Daryl - Sun, 22 May 2022 10:39 UTC

On 22/5/2022 5:33 pm, lindsay wrote:
> On 22/05/2022 2:25 pm, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>> On 22/05/2022 9:59 am, keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 12/05/2022 2:57 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>>> On 12/5/2022 12:38 pm, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>>>> The Sunny Coast is a bloody long way from where I am.
>>>>
>>>> It's in Queensland, you're in Queensland, what more do you want?
>>>
>>> Townsville to Sunshine coast 1246Km
>>> Coffs to Sunshine coast 490Km
>>>
>>
>> Speaking of which, I'm heading to Brisbane in a fortnight so where is
>> this museum you talk of. My mate who worked on the F111 would probably
>> like a photo of the one you have there.
>
> So would I. :-) Please!  :-)

What surprised me about the F111 was its size, its indoors so Grumpy
might not be able to get far enough away to get a full picture.
I'm sure that he will take lots of great photos, its an interesting
place well worth visiting.

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 by: Noddy - Sun, 22 May 2022 11:59 UTC

On 22/05/2022 8:23 pm, jonz@ nothere.com wrote:
> On Sunday, 22 May 2022 at 13:19:56 UTC+10, Xeno wrote:

>>> Lol :)
>>>
>>> I've never come across a bloke who knows *so* much about shit he's never
>>> actually had anything do with :)
>>>
>> Projection!
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> No projection there, he, I, and others have got your number krypsis.....

Yep. Only someone in an advanced state of paranoia and suffering from an
extreme inferiority complex would invent nonsensical theories like
"transferred experience" in an attempt to claim experience on something
they've never touched before, which is *exactly* what he did when he
first used the term :)

>> I’ve actually done an apprenticeship Darren while you dreamed up yours. And
>> Unlike you, I didn’t have to invent anything, my *training* was real, my
>> *hands-on experience* was real and I have certificates amassed over the
>> years to prove it.

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> HEH, *Bits of paper* and theory.......*Prove* SFA... Give up the sham!.

What a shame all those bits of paper are completely useless to him now,
huh? :)

--
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--
Regards,
Noddy.

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 by: Xeno - Sun, 22 May 2022 13:01 UTC

Noddy <me@home.com> wrote:
> On 22/05/2022 8:23 pm, jonz@ nothere.com wrote:
>> On Sunday, 22 May 2022 at 13:19:56 UTC+10, Xeno wrote:
>
>>>> Lol :)
>>>>
>>>> I've never come across a bloke who knows *so* much about shit he's never
>>>> actually had anything do with :)
>>>>
>>> Projection!
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> No projection there, he, I, and others have got your number krypsis.....
>
> Yep. Only someone in an advanced state of paranoia and suffering from an
> extreme inferiority complex would invent nonsensical theories like
> "transferred experience" in an attempt to claim experience on something
> they've never touched before, which is *exactly* what he did when he
> first used the term :)
>
>>> I’ve actually done an apprenticeship Darren while you dreamed up yours. And
>>> Unlike you, I didn’t have to invent anything, my *training* was real, my
>>> *hands-on experience* was real and I have certificates amassed over the
>>> years to prove it.
>
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> HEH, *Bits of paper* and theory.......*Prove* SFA... Give up the sham!.
>
> What a shame all those bits of paper are completely useless to him now,
> huh? :)
>
The above from a clown who never achieved what those “bits of paper”
signify. You didn’t even get the opportunity to work towards the attainment
of those “bits of paper” because you squibbed the first step, that year
nine leaving exam. That meant you didn’t even get a start on an
apprenticeship, the first step to becoming “trade qualified”. Because I am
now retired, I no longer greatly utilise the skills and training I have had
during my time in the trade but you, Darren, have never developed those
skills nor do you have the underpinning knowledge. Had you ever completed
an apprenticeship, the concept of transferred experience would not be alien
to you. What’s more, you might not have needed to *pretend* that you had
completed not one but two apprenticeships. All you proved by that was that
*you* are suffering from the inferiority complex and are paranoid that
others now know you’ve been bullshitting all these years. As I have oft
stated Darren, you can shoot me down in an instant by fronting up with
those trade registration numbers - like Clocky did, like I did. But, no,
you try to bluff and bullshit your way out of that because, as both you and
I know, you have no trade qualifications of any sort. Sadly for you Darren,
those papers can be verified by the simple expedient of a phone call. I
made such a phone call and the word is - you’re full of shit - yes, you
aren’t present in any trade records in Victoria. As expected.

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 by: lindsay - Mon, 23 May 2022 08:40 UTC

On 22/05/2022 8:39 pm, Daryl wrote:
> On 22/5/2022 5:33 pm, lindsay wrote:
>> On 22/05/2022 2:25 pm, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>> On 22/05/2022 9:59 am, keithr0 wrote:
>>>> On 12/05/2022 2:57 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>>>> On 12/5/2022 12:38 pm, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> The Sunny Coast is a bloody long way from where I am.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's in Queensland, you're in Queensland, what more do you want?
>>>>
>>>> Townsville to Sunshine coast 1246Km
>>>> Coffs to Sunshine coast 490Km
>>>>
>>>
>>> Speaking of which, I'm heading to Brisbane in a fortnight so where is
>>> this museum you talk of. My mate who worked on the F111 would
>>> probably like a photo of the one you have there.
>>
>> So would I. :-) Please!  :-)
>
> What surprised me about the F111 was its size, its indoors so Grumpy
> might not be able to get far enough away to get a full picture.
> I'm sure that he will take lots of great photos, its an interesting
> place well worth visiting.

Yep On my bucket list, as is the Pacific Aviation Museum in Hawaii,
which has one of our F-111's on display. Also want to do the tour of the
USS Missouri (sp?) Mate of mine (name and number available) sent me a
pic whilst he was on-board the Missouri in Pearl Harbour a couple of
years ago.. A japanese warship (looked like a frigate, but was a
training vessel) had appeared off the starboard bow in the harbour,
probably 1000m away. I guess you can join the dots :-D
>
>

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 by: Noddy - Mon, 23 May 2022 10:45 UTC

On 23/05/2022 6:40 pm, lindsay wrote:
> On 22/05/2022 8:39 pm, Daryl wrote:

>> What surprised me about the F111 was its size, its indoors so Grumpy
>> might not be able to get far enough away to get a full picture.
>> I'm sure that he will take lots of great photos, its an interesting
>> place well worth visiting.
>
> Yep On my bucket list, as is the Pacific Aviation Museum in Hawaii,
> which has one of our F-111's on display. Also want to do the tour of the
> USS Missouri (sp?) Mate of mine (name and number available) sent me a
> pic whilst he was on-board the Missouri in Pearl Harbour a couple of
> years ago..  A japanese warship (looked like a frigate, but was a
> training vessel) had appeared off the starboard bow in the harbour,
> probably 1000m away.  I guess you can join the dots :-D

Lol :)

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 by: keithr0 - Mon, 23 May 2022 23:53 UTC

On 23/05/2022 6:40 pm, lindsay wrote:
> On 22/05/2022 8:39 pm, Daryl wrote:
>> On 22/5/2022 5:33 pm, lindsay wrote:
>>> On 22/05/2022 2:25 pm, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>>> On 22/05/2022 9:59 am, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>> On 12/05/2022 2:57 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>>>>> On 12/5/2022 12:38 pm, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Sunny Coast is a bloody long way from where I am.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's in Queensland, you're in Queensland, what more do you want?
>>>>>
>>>>> Townsville to Sunshine coast 1246Km
>>>>> Coffs to Sunshine coast 490Km
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Speaking of which, I'm heading to Brisbane in a fortnight so where
>>>> is this museum you talk of. My mate who worked on the F111 would
>>>> probably like a photo of the one you have there.
>>>
>>> So would I. :-) Please!  :-)
>>
>> What surprised me about the F111 was its size, its indoors so Grumpy
>> might not be able to get far enough away to get a full picture.
>> I'm sure that he will take lots of great photos, its an interesting
>> place well worth visiting.
>
> Yep On my bucket list, as is the Pacific Aviation Museum in Hawaii,
> which has one of our F-111's on display. Also want to do the tour of the
> USS Missouri (sp?) Mate of mine (name and number available) sent me a
> pic whilst he was on-board the Missouri in Pearl Harbour a couple of
> years ago..  A japanese warship (looked like a frigate, but was a
> training vessel) had appeared off the starboard bow in the harbour,
> probably 1000m away.  I guess you can join the dots :-D
>>
>>
>
If you are a REAL F111 freak, there is this:

https://qam.com.au/news/the-ultimate-f-111-experience/

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 by: lindsay - Thu, 26 May 2022 09:27 UTC

On 23/05/2022 8:45 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 23/05/2022 6:40 pm, lindsay wrote:
>> On 22/05/2022 8:39 pm, Daryl wrote:
>
>>> What surprised me about the F111 was its size, its indoors so Grumpy
>>> might not be able to get far enough away to get a full picture.
>>> I'm sure that he will take lots of great photos, its an interesting
>>> place well worth visiting.
>>
>> Yep On my bucket list, as is the Pacific Aviation Museum in Hawaii,
>> which has one of our F-111's on display. Also want to do the tour of
>> the USS Missouri (sp?) Mate of mine (name and number available) sent
>> me a pic whilst he was on-board the Missouri in Pearl Harbour a couple
>> of years ago..  A japanese warship (looked like a frigate, but was a
>> training vessel) had appeared off the starboard bow in the harbour,
>> probably 1000m away.  I guess you can join the dots :-D
>
> Lol :)

Found it! https://imgur.com/a/qipAYK2 I reckon the sound of a few jap
clackers slamming shut would have equalled Krakatoa. :-D

Still, it will be a visit worth doing.

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 by: Noddy - Thu, 26 May 2022 12:03 UTC

On 26/05/2022 7:27 pm, lindsay wrote:
> On 23/05/2022 8:45 pm, Noddy wrote:
>> On 23/05/2022 6:40 pm, lindsay wrote:
>>> On 22/05/2022 8:39 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>
>>>> What surprised me about the F111 was its size, its indoors so Grumpy
>>>> might not be able to get far enough away to get a full picture.
>>>> I'm sure that he will take lots of great photos, its an interesting
>>>> place well worth visiting.
>>>
>>> Yep On my bucket list, as is the Pacific Aviation Museum in Hawaii,
>>> which has one of our F-111's on display. Also want to do the tour of
>>> the USS Missouri (sp?) Mate of mine (name and number available) sent
>>> me a pic whilst he was on-board the Missouri in Pearl Harbour a
>>> couple of years ago..  A japanese warship (looked like a frigate, but
>>> was a training vessel) had appeared off the starboard bow in the
>>> harbour, probably 1000m away.  I guess you can join the dots :-D
>>
>> Lol :)
>
> Found it! https://imgur.com/a/qipAYK2  I reckon the sound of a few jap
> clackers slamming shut would have equalled Krakatoa. :-D

Hahahaha :)

> Still, it will be a visit worth doing.

It will indeed.

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On 20/05/2022 8:15 am, John_H wrote:
> Noddy wrote:
>> On 19/05/2022 10:01 am, John_H wrote:
>>> Noddy wrote:
>>
> <snip>
>
>>> I found this page here to be a fairly objective read on the subject:
>>>>
>>>>> https://ateupwithmotor.com/model-histories/triumph-2000-2500-mk2/
>>>
>>>>>
>>> Yep (no doubt written by a motoring journo), I read it and found
>>> nothing to contradict anything I've said here!
>>
>> Strange. What I got from it was that not only was the injected engine
>> particularly troublesome, but the car itself wasn't the best handling
>> thing on the road.
>>
>>>> The long and short of it seems to be that the 2500pi was *never* a
>>>> well sorted car that suffered from reliability issues over it's
>>>> entire life, Triumph got sick of the injection system and reverted
>>>> to carburetors because they could never make the thing run
>>>> properly.
>>> That's complete bullshit... you're reading into your own cite
>>> something that isn't there. They never reverted any of the PI
>>> models to carburettors.
>>
>> I'm not reading *anything* other than what was mentioned in the article.
>> You must have missed this bit here:
>>
>>> The 2500TC and 2.5 PI were available concurrently for about a year,
>>> but production of the expensive and troublesome injected engine
>>> ceased in the early summer of 1975, leading to the deletion of both
>>> the TR6 PI and 2.5 PI. The latter was replaced by a new 2500S model,
>>> also carbureted, but with revised intake and exhaust manifolds and
>>> bigger S.U. HS6 carburetors, giving 106 PS (78 kW) DIN and 139 lb-ft
>>> (188 N-m) of torque.
>>
>> Despite your claims it flat out states that the 2500pi was indeed
>> replaced with the carburetted 2500S model.
>>
>> Either they're wrong, or your are.
>
> Yep, thought I was reading the history of the 2000, 2.5 PI and 2500C.
> The 2500S doesn't belong in that group, which is probably why it went
> under my radar. The former were STI / Leyland Motors models, the
> 2500S was British Leyland The bit you've quoted is certainly wrong
> and merely demonstrates that if you google hard enough you can prove,
> or disprove, anything
>
> Last PI was sold here in 1974 whereas the 2500S was released in 1977
> which hardly makes it a replacement for the 2.5 PI. The TR6 was
> replaced by the shit awful TR7, another BL creation as was the Triumph
> Stag generally regarded as a lemon along with the Leyland P76 of the
> same era. The only genuine performance model from BL was the Dolomite
> Sprint which went like the clappers but was notoriously unreliable.
> One ran at Bathurst during the open era IIRC but probably never
> finished.
>
> PIs were in production for 7 years so it must've taken an awful long
> time to work out they were troublesome and expensive to produce. Only
> '74 model I had any experience with was a TR6 that was dramatically
> detuned compared to previous models, which supported the story it was
> an emission issue.
>
> Last model sold as a Triumph was a rebadged Honda shortly before BL
> dropped the name which now belongs to BMW AFAIK. Jaguar and Rover
> went to Tata (India), MG went to China and a number of others went to
> God.
>

Presumably you're talking about the mid-80's Rover "Quintet", a rebadged
Honda model made for the Japanese market? Honda dealers (despite the
claim by the fraud) used to service them, as they serviced anything else
that came through the door but not warranty work.

Every Honda service manager working at Honda would have been *very*
familiar with that model, including it's name!

--
keith on the 7 Oct 2021 wrote;
"He asserts that the claim is true, so, if
it is unproven, he is lying."

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