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* Framework laptopsMichael Chare
`* Re: Framework laptopsJaimie Vandenbergh
 +* Re: Framework laptopsJaimie Vandenbergh
 |`- Re: Framework laptopsTheo
 `* Re: Framework laptopsAndy Burns
  `- Re: Framework laptopsJaimie Vandenbergh

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From: mUNDERSC...@chareDOTorg.uk (Michael Chare)
Newsgroups: uk.comp.homebuilt
Subject: Framework laptops
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 16:28:24 +0100
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 by: Michael Chare - Wed, 20 Oct 2021 15:28 UTC

Would you like a laptop where you can easily change the components?

See https://frame.work/

Coming to the UK market soon.

Re: Framework laptops

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From: jai...@usually.sessile.org (Jaimie Vandenbergh)
Newsgroups: uk.comp.homebuilt
Subject: Re: Framework laptops
Date: 20 Oct 2021 15:42:09 GMT
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 by: Jaimie Vandenbergh - Wed, 20 Oct 2021 15:42 UTC

On 20 Oct 2021 at 16:28:24 BST, "Michael Chare"
<mUNDERSCOREnews@chareDOTorg.uk> wrote:

> Would you like a laptop where you can easily change the components?
>
> See https://frame.work/
>
> Coming to the UK market soon.

CPU (choice of three specific i5/i7 models)
Wifi module (m.2 pcie slot)
SSD (NVMe slot)
RAM (2 DDR4 SODIMM slots)

That's not super exciting for 'build your own' really.

No extra low power CPU choices, no screen res/hdr options, no fat
battery, no variations on the external ports. It's no more choice than
you might have with a BTO Lenovo.

Cheers - Jaimie
--
Every time we start thinking we're the center of the universe,
the universe turns around and says with a slightly distracted
air, 'I'm sorry. What'd you say your name was again?'
-- Margaret Maron

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From: jai...@usually.sessile.org (Jaimie Vandenbergh)
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 by: Jaimie Vandenbergh - Wed, 20 Oct 2021 15:50 UTC

On 20 Oct 2021 at 16:42:09 BST, "Jaimie Vandenbergh"
<jaimie@usually.sessile.org> wrote:

> On 20 Oct 2021 at 16:28:24 BST, "Michael Chare"
> <mUNDERSCOREnews@chareDOTorg.uk> wrote:
>
>> Would you like a laptop where you can easily change the components?
>>
>> See https://frame.work/
>>
>> Coming to the UK market soon.
>
> CPU (choice of three specific i5/i7 models)
> Wifi module (m.2 pcie slot)
> SSD (NVMe slot)
> RAM (2 DDR4 SODIMM slots)
>
> That's not super exciting for 'build your own' really.
>
> No extra low power CPU choices, no screen res/hdr options, no fat
> battery, no variations on the external ports.

Whoops - they do, I missed that part. They have four USBC sockets, each
with a space for builtin custom dongles to adapt those to whatever you
like. As long as that's SSD/microSD slot/HDMI/DP/USBA/USBC.

https://frame.work/marketplace/expansion-cards

Will it actually support four monitors? That'd be an excellent niche to
handle.

> It's no more choice than
> you might have with a BTO Lenovo.
>
> Cheers - Jaimie

--
To every complex problem there is a solution which
is simple, neat and wrong.
-- HL Mencken

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From: use...@andyburns.uk (Andy Burns)
Newsgroups: uk.comp.homebuilt
Subject: Re: Framework laptops
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 by: Andy Burns - Wed, 20 Oct 2021 16:04 UTC

Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote:

> Michael Chare wrote:
>
>> Would you like a laptop where you can easily change the components?
>> See https://frame.work/
>
> No extra low power CPU choices, no screen res/hdr options, no fat
> battery, no variations on the external ports.

I watched the LinusTechTips video a few weeks ago, he was impressed* and there
are swappable ports

[*] I think since then he's become an investor in them, so treat future videos
with some cynicism.

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From: jai...@usually.sessile.org (Jaimie Vandenbergh)
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Subject: Re: Framework laptops
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 by: Jaimie Vandenbergh - Wed, 20 Oct 2021 16:26 UTC

On 20 Oct 2021 at 17:04:57 BST, "Andy Burns" <usenet@andyburns.uk>
wrote:

> Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote:
>
>> Michael Chare wrote:
>>
>>> Would you like a laptop where you can easily change the components?
>>> See https://frame.work/
>>
>> No extra low power CPU choices, no screen res/hdr options, no fat
>> battery, no variations on the external ports.
>
> I watched the LinusTechTips video a few weeks ago, he was impressed* and there
> are swappable ports

I did spot that immediately after posting - naturally. It's like typos
but worse.

> [*] I think since then he's become an investor in them, so treat future videos
> with some cynicism.

I treat everything from Linus with considerable cynicism. Many of his
back-team are decent though. He's cultivated a classic YT dick persona
that I cannot stand.

Cheers - Jaimie

--
boy, n.
1. Noise with dirt on it.

Re: Framework laptops

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From: theom+n...@chiark.greenend.org.uk (Theo)
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Subject: Re: Framework laptops
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 by: Theo - Wed, 20 Oct 2021 23:48 UTC

Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@usually.sessile.org> wrote:
> Whoops - they do, I missed that part. They have four USBC sockets, each
> with a space for builtin custom dongles to adapt those to whatever you
> like. As long as that's SSD/microSD slot/HDMI/DP/USBA/USBC.
>
> https://frame.work/marketplace/expansion-cards
>
> Will it actually support four monitors? That'd be an excellent niche to
> handle.

So far as I can tell, the modules are basically just USB-C dongles but
physically mounted in the chassis. So it's no different to having a laptop
with 4 USB-C ports, which you can buy today.

It seems the Tiger Lake CPUs do support four displays, but I'm not sure what
signalling formats. Given the USB-C form factor, you're need four
DisplayPort outputs to be able to drive all the ports in DP alt-mode, which
you could then convert to HDMI etc in a dongle. Or drive via Thunderbolt,
which the Framework doesn't appear to support.

Theo

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