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Re: extension Ticketing enquiry

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 by: Graeme Wall - Fri, 15 Dec 2023 19:56 UTC

On 15/12/2023 06:27, Roland Perry wrote:
> In message <uleddj$1a3q4$3@dont-email.me>, at 08:12:35 on Thu, 14 Dec
> 2023, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
>> On 14/12/2023 07:19, Roland Perry wrote:
>>> In message <uld728$2dck$3@gal.iecc.com>, at 21:18:00 on Wed, 13 Dec
>>> 2023, John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> remarked:
>>>> According to Roland Perry  <roland@perry.uk>:
>>>>> Having had my memory jogged by the discussion, I think this was what
>>>>> happened: they introduced the extension tickets for Oyster, but said
>>>>> they had to be purchased at the time as travel, which many people
>>>>> found
>>>>> both logistically difficult and making-no-sense.
>>>>>
>>>>> However, being an Oyster add-on, the 2hr time limit must presumably be
>>>>> that when purchasing it the Oyster back-office is told to do an
>>>>> automatic touch-out because no-one is going to get out at (eg) Moor
>>>>> Park
>>>>> and touch-out manually, then get back on the train.
>>>>
>>>> When you buy the extension ticket, how do they know what Oyster card
>>>> you will be using?
>>>  Because...
>>>
>>>> Not having done this, do you have to tap your card when you buy the
>>>> extension?
>
>>>  ...you have to tap your Oyster card on the TVM for *everything* you
>>> buy.
>
>>>  Like PAYG credit, a Travelcard, a Bus/Tram pass, or the Travelcard
>>> Extension.
>>
>> Presumably when you tap out, it takes the extension ticket into
>> consideration.
>
> After the journey, you mean? Yes, it would be loaded on the Oyster card
> at the time of purchase. But does every station "in the zones" (up to
> Z6+5 = Z11) have a facility to tap out. And what if you have an onward
> National Rail ticket from the extended-to station, do you have to get
> off, tap out, then catch the next train to your ultimate destination?

I was staying on TfL routes so that didn't arise.
--
Graeme Wall
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 by: Recliner - Fri, 15 Dec 2023 22:01 UTC

Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> On 14/12/2023 21:55, Recliner wrote:
>> Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>> On 14/12/2023 17:57, Recliner wrote:
>>>> Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> On 14/12/2023 11:26, Recliner wrote:
>>>>>> Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 14/12/2023 07:19, Roland Perry wrote:
>>>>>>>> In message <uld728$2dck$3@gal.iecc.com>, at 21:18:00 on Wed, 13 Dec
>>>>>>>> 2023, John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> remarked:
>>>>>>>>> According to Roland Perry  <roland@perry.uk>:
>>>>>>>>>> Having had my memory jogged by the discussion, I think this was what
>>>>>>>>>> happened: they introduced the extension tickets for Oyster, but said
>>>>>>>>>> they had to be purchased at the time as travel, which many people found
>>>>>>>>>> both logistically difficult and making-no-sense.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> However, being an Oyster add-on, the 2hr time limit must presumably be
>>>>>>>>>> that when purchasing it the Oyster back-office is told to do an
>>>>>>>>>> automatic touch-out because no-one is going to get out at (eg) Moor Park
>>>>>>>>>> and touch-out manually, then get back on the train.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> When you buy the extension ticket, how do they know what Oyster card
>>>>>>>>> you will be using?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Because...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Not having done this, do you have to tap your card when you buy the
>>>>>>>>> extension?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ...you have to tap your Oyster card on the TVM for *everything* you buy.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Like PAYG credit, a Travelcard, a Bus/Tram pass, or the Travelcard
>>>>>>>> Extension.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Presumably when you tap out, it takes the extension ticket into
>>>>>>> consideration.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, for one journey only, your Travelcard has the extra zones included.
>>>>>> But it's at a stiff price.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> How does it work with a paper travelcard, which is what I would have.
>>>>> Back to the Moor Park shuffle I suppose.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You touch a different button for a zonal extension for a paper Travelcard.
>>>> But as Roland quoted, it's more expensive than either the Moor Park option,
>>>> or just doing the whole journey on contactless.
>>>>
>>>
>>> The last is what I will be doing. Though, if I remember I will look out
>>> for those options. Trouble is I haven't used a TfL ticket machine for
>>> many years.
>>
>> As Roland reported, it's a prominent menu option from the main screen
>> (bottom right). You then get offered extensions to Oyster or paper
>> Travelcards. Couldn't be easier, but certainly could be cheaper.
>>
>
> Having done the trip today, I went with the day return to Waterloo then
> contactless from Waterloo to Chesham and back. I did think of checking
> out the TfL ticket machines at Waterloo but they were swamped by,
> presumably, tourists, trying to work out what they needed to do.

Yes, I think you picked the best option.

Did you spot the Chesham water tank?

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 by: Graeme Wall - Sat, 16 Dec 2023 08:26 UTC

On 15/12/2023 22:01, Recliner wrote:
> Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>> On 14/12/2023 21:55, Recliner wrote:
>>> Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> On 14/12/2023 17:57, Recliner wrote:
>>>>> Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>> On 14/12/2023 11:26, Recliner wrote:
>>>>>>> Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 14/12/2023 07:19, Roland Perry wrote:
>>>>>>>>> In message <uld728$2dck$3@gal.iecc.com>, at 21:18:00 on Wed, 13 Dec
>>>>>>>>> 2023, John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> remarked:
>>>>>>>>>> According to Roland Perry  <roland@perry.uk>:
>>>>>>>>>>> Having had my memory jogged by the discussion, I think this was what
>>>>>>>>>>> happened: they introduced the extension tickets for Oyster, but said
>>>>>>>>>>> they had to be purchased at the time as travel, which many people found
>>>>>>>>>>> both logistically difficult and making-no-sense.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> However, being an Oyster add-on, the 2hr time limit must presumably be
>>>>>>>>>>> that when purchasing it the Oyster back-office is told to do an
>>>>>>>>>>> automatic touch-out because no-one is going to get out at (eg) Moor Park
>>>>>>>>>>> and touch-out manually, then get back on the train.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> When you buy the extension ticket, how do they know what Oyster card
>>>>>>>>>> you will be using?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Because...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Not having done this, do you have to tap your card when you buy the
>>>>>>>>>> extension?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ...you have to tap your Oyster card on the TVM for *everything* you buy.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Like PAYG credit, a Travelcard, a Bus/Tram pass, or the Travelcard
>>>>>>>>> Extension.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Presumably when you tap out, it takes the extension ticket into
>>>>>>>> consideration.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes, for one journey only, your Travelcard has the extra zones included.
>>>>>>> But it's at a stiff price.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How does it work with a paper travelcard, which is what I would have.
>>>>>> Back to the Moor Park shuffle I suppose.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You touch a different button for a zonal extension for a paper Travelcard.
>>>>> But as Roland quoted, it's more expensive than either the Moor Park option,
>>>>> or just doing the whole journey on contactless.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The last is what I will be doing. Though, if I remember I will look out
>>>> for those options. Trouble is I haven't used a TfL ticket machine for
>>>> many years.
>>>
>>> As Roland reported, it's a prominent menu option from the main screen
>>> (bottom right). You then get offered extensions to Oyster or paper
>>> Travelcards. Couldn't be easier, but certainly could be cheaper.
>>>
>>
>> Having done the trip today, I went with the day return to Waterloo then
>> contactless from Waterloo to Chesham and back. I did think of checking
>> out the TfL ticket machines at Waterloo but they were swamped by,
>> presumably, tourists, trying to work out what they needed to do.
>
> Yes, I think you picked the best option.
>
> Did you spot the Chesham water tank?
>

On the right of the track as you arrive? Didn't get the opportunity to
get a good look at it as the station was full of kids breaking up from
school and I had a funeral to get to. By the time I got back it was dark.
--
Graeme Wall
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Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> On 15/12/2023 22:01, Recliner wrote:
>> Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>> On 14/12/2023 21:55, Recliner wrote:
>>>> Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> On 14/12/2023 17:57, Recliner wrote:
>>>>>> Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 14/12/2023 11:26, Recliner wrote:
>>>>>>>> Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 14/12/2023 07:19, Roland Perry wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> In message <uld728$2dck$3@gal.iecc.com>, at 21:18:00 on Wed, 13 Dec
>>>>>>>>>> 2023, John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> remarked:
>>>>>>>>>>> According to Roland Perry  <roland@perry.uk>:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Having had my memory jogged by the discussion, I think this was what
>>>>>>>>>>>> happened: they introduced the extension tickets for Oyster, but said
>>>>>>>>>>>> they had to be purchased at the time as travel, which many people found
>>>>>>>>>>>> both logistically difficult and making-no-sense.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> However, being an Oyster add-on, the 2hr time limit must presumably be
>>>>>>>>>>>> that when purchasing it the Oyster back-office is told to do an
>>>>>>>>>>>> automatic touch-out because no-one is going to get out at (eg) Moor Park
>>>>>>>>>>>> and touch-out manually, then get back on the train.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> When you buy the extension ticket, how do they know what Oyster card
>>>>>>>>>>> you will be using?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Because...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Not having done this, do you have to tap your card when you buy the
>>>>>>>>>>> extension?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ...you have to tap your Oyster card on the TVM for *everything* you buy.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Like PAYG credit, a Travelcard, a Bus/Tram pass, or the Travelcard
>>>>>>>>>> Extension.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Presumably when you tap out, it takes the extension ticket into
>>>>>>>>> consideration.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes, for one journey only, your Travelcard has the extra zones included.
>>>>>>>> But it's at a stiff price.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How does it work with a paper travelcard, which is what I would have.
>>>>>>> Back to the Moor Park shuffle I suppose.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You touch a different button for a zonal extension for a paper Travelcard.
>>>>>> But as Roland quoted, it's more expensive than either the Moor Park option,
>>>>>> or just doing the whole journey on contactless.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The last is what I will be doing. Though, if I remember I will look out
>>>>> for those options. Trouble is I haven't used a TfL ticket machine for
>>>>> many years.
>>>>
>>>> As Roland reported, it's a prominent menu option from the main screen
>>>> (bottom right). You then get offered extensions to Oyster or paper
>>>> Travelcards. Couldn't be easier, but certainly could be cheaper.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Having done the trip today, I went with the day return to Waterloo then
>>> contactless from Waterloo to Chesham and back. I did think of checking
>>> out the TfL ticket machines at Waterloo but they were swamped by,
>>> presumably, tourists, trying to work out what they needed to do.
>>
>> Yes, I think you picked the best option.
>>
>> Did you spot the Chesham water tank?
>>
>
> On the right of the track as you arrive?

No, it's on the platform, at the end of the station building. It's one of
the reasons the station is listed.

https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1401704?section=comments-and-photos


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