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 by: swldx...@gmail.com - Sun, 9 Oct 2022 14:14 UTC

A driver who was jailed for nine years after he killed a cyclist while texting at the wheel has failed to have the sentence overturned today at the Court of Appeal.

Christopher Gard was sentenced last September for causing the death of cyclist Lee Martin, who had been taking part in a time trial near Farnham, Hampshire in August 2015.

His trial heard that Gard had a string of convictions for mobile phone use while driving, and that after the collision that claimed Mr Martin’s life he attempted to delete text messages he had been sending a friend to arrange a dog walk.

Six weeks prior to the fatal crash, he had persuaded magistrates to let him keep his driving licence when he appeared before them on yet another charge of driving while illegally using a mobile phone.

Reacting to today’s news that Gard’s appeal had been unsuccessful, Duncan Dollimore, senior road safety and legal officer at the charity Cycling UK called for the government to close the loophole that allows drivers to keep their licences by pleading “exceptional hardship.”

He said: “Christopher Gard appealed his nine year prison term because he thought he was treated too harshly, and his sentence was excessive. As many families of other victims of road crashes will know however, Lee Martin’s family’s sentence will last a lifetime.

“Whilst the Court of Appeal has reviewed and agreed with the original sentence, it is a tragedy that nobody will review the earlier decision which allowed Gard to continue driving with six previous convictions for driving while using his mobile phone.

“The exceptional hardship loophole, and the reluctance of the courts to take people off the road before they destroy the lives of others, must be reviewed urgently. Cycling UK has repeatedly asked the Ministry of Justice to look at this within their review of motoring offences and penalties, but so far we have been ignored.”

He added: “If Justice Secretary Elizabeth Truss won’t listen to us, she should heed the worlds of Lee’s brother Darrell, who reminded the Daily Mail yesterday that ‘driving is not a right, it’s a privilege’. That means looking again at more frequent and longer disqualifications, not just the length of the prison sentence in the worst cases.”

After his brother’s killer, who has also been banned from driving for 14 and a half years, was sentenced in September, Mr Martin said the courts could have prevented Gard from driving earlier.

He said: "There were opportunities to stop the man from driving around. Just six weeks before he had persuaded a magistrate not to take his licence away and promised to lock his phone in the boot."

He added: "The text message – think about how inane this is – it was about meeting his mate later and taking his dog for a walk. That's what killed my brother."

https://road.cc/content/news/215742-texting-driver-who-killed-cyclist-fails-appeal-have-sentence-reduced

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 by: Spike - Sun, 9 Oct 2022 16:10 UTC

1) Yet another cyclist is killed during a Time Trial

2) road.cc needs to research the nature of judicial punishment.

swldx...@gmail.com <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:
> A driver who was jailed for nine years after he killed a cyclist while
> texting at the wheel has failed to have the sentence overturned today at
> the Court of Appeal.
>
> Christopher Gard was sentenced last September for causing the death of
> cyclist Lee Martin, who had been taking part in a time trial near
> Farnham, Hampshire in August 2015.
>
> His trial heard that Gard had a string of convictions for mobile phone
> use while driving, and that after the collision that claimed Mr Martin’s
> life he attempted to delete text messages he had been sending a friend to
> arrange a dog walk.
>
> Six weeks prior to the fatal crash, he had persuaded magistrates to let
> him keep his driving licence when he appeared before them on yet another
> charge of driving while illegally using a mobile phone.
>
> Reacting to today’s news that Gard’s appeal had been unsuccessful, Duncan
> Dollimore, senior road safety and legal officer at the charity Cycling UK
> called for the government to close the loophole that allows drivers to
> keep their licences by pleading “exceptional hardship.”
>
> He said: “Christopher Gard appealed his nine year prison term because he
> thought he was treated too harshly, and his sentence was excessive. As
> many families of other victims of road crashes will know however, Lee
> Martin’s family’s sentence will last a lifetime.
>
> “Whilst the Court of Appeal has reviewed and agreed with the original
> sentence, it is a tragedy that nobody will review the earlier decision
> which allowed Gard to continue driving with six previous convictions for
> driving while using his mobile phone.
>
> “The exceptional hardship loophole, and the reluctance of the courts to
> take people off the road before they destroy the lives of others, must be
> reviewed urgently. Cycling UK has repeatedly asked the Ministry of
> Justice to look at this within their review of motoring offences and
> penalties, but so far we have been ignored.”
>
> He added: “If Justice Secretary Elizabeth Truss won’t listen to us, she
> should heed the worlds of Lee’s brother Darrell, who reminded the Daily
> Mail yesterday that ‘driving is not a right, it’s a privilege’. That
> means looking again at more frequent and longer disqualifications, not
> just the length of the prison sentence in the worst cases.”
>
> After his brother’s killer, who has also been banned from driving for 14
> and a half years, was sentenced in September, Mr Martin said the courts
> could have prevented Gard from driving earlier.
>
> He said: "There were opportunities to stop the man from driving around.
> Just six weeks before he had persuaded a magistrate not to take his
> licence away and promised to lock his phone in the boot."
>
> He added: "The text message – think about how inane this is – it was
> about meeting his mate later and taking his dog for a walk. That's what killed my brother."
>
> https://road.cc/content/news/215742-texting-driver-who-killed-cyclist-fails-appeal-have-sentence-reduced
>

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 by: swldx...@gmail.com - Sun, 9 Oct 2022 17:06 UTC

This guy should have been banned after his second offence. The courts really need to clamp down on these people who show complete indifference for other road users. How many cyclists/pedestrians killed or injured does it take to make politicians get off their arses and bring in stricter legislation?

IMO anyone caught twice using a mobile or computer while driving should get an automatic one year ban. Caught three times should bring at least a 5 year ban - More than that should bring imprisonment and a lifetime ban as the person has shown complete disregard for the law.

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 by: Spike - Sun, 9 Oct 2022 18:49 UTC

swldx...@gmail.com <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:
> This guy should have been banned after his second offence. The courts
> really need to clamp down on these people who show complete indifference
> for other road users. How many cyclists/pedestrians killed or injured
> does it take to make politicians get off their arses and bring in stricter legislation?

What do you mean by ‘stricter’ legislation?

Banning any form of competition on unclosed public roads might be a start -
which would include any form of timed event for cyclists.

Oh, wait a minute, when Schapps wanted to bring in stricter legislation for
cyclists, it caused paroxysms in the cycling world.

Nothing quite like being two-faced, is there?

> IMO anyone caught twice using a mobile or computer while driving should
> get an automatic one year ban. Caught three times should bring at least a
> 5 year ban - More than that should bring imprisonment and a lifetime ban
> as the person has shown complete disregard for the law.

Why stop there? Go for the full firing-squad routine, perhaps.

Although one has to laugh at the thought of cyclists complaining about
others showing a claimed disregard for the law. Sauce for the goose….

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 by: swldx...@gmail.com - Sun, 9 Oct 2022 19:00 UTC

This is one driver I suspect would ignore any ban received. 9 years & out in 4.5 is in no way sufficient punishment. I would also like the magistrate in the last case where he pleaded 'exceptional hardship' to face the deceased's family & explain how they let this scum keep their licence.

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 by: JNugent - Mon, 10 Oct 2022 12:54 UTC

On 09/10/2022 06:06 pm, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
> This guy should have been banned after his second offence. The courts really need to clamp down on these people who show complete indifference for other road users. How many cyclists/pedestrians killed or injured does it take to make politicians get off their arses and bring in stricter legislation?
>
> IMO anyone caught twice using a mobile or computer while driving should get an automatic one year ban. Caught three times should bring at least a 5 year ban - More than that should bring imprisonment and a lifetime ban as the person has shown complete disregard for the law.

Is that you posting as Your Royal Highness or your sock-puppet Collins?

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 by: swldx...@gmail.com - Mon, 10 Oct 2022 13:18 UTC

He's already shown his contempt for the law with the 'I'll lock my phone in the boot' comment to get off previously what makes you think that he can be rehabilitated enough that he'd pay the increased premium, if you say that he'll drive while banned surely he'll drive uninsured.


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