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* Masking the Elizabeth Line's ghostsRecliner
`* Re: Masking the Elizabeth Line's ghostsRoland Perry
 `* Re: Masking the Elizabeth Line's ghostsMuttley
  `* Re: Masking the Elizabeth Line's ghostsAndy Burns
   `* Re: Masking the Elizabeth Line's ghostsMuttley
    `* Re: Masking the Elizabeth Line's ghostsGraeme Wall
     `* Re: Masking the Elizabeth Line's ghostsMuttley
      `* Re: Masking the Elizabeth Line's ghostsGraeme Wall
       +* Re: Masking the Elizabeth Line's ghostsRoland Perry
       |`* Re: Masking the Elizabeth Line's ghostsRecliner
       | `* Re: Masking the Elizabeth Line's ghostsMuttley
       |  +* Re: Masking the Elizabeth Line's ghostsRecliner
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       |  |  `- Re: Masking the Elizabeth Line's ghostsMuttley
       |  `- Re: Masking the Elizabeth Line's ghostsGraeme Wall
       `- Re: Masking the Elizabeth Line's ghostsMuttley

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Masking the Elizabeth Line's ghosts

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 by: Recliner - Sun, 14 Jan 2024 09:37 UTC

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-67959169

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From: rol...@perry.uk (Roland Perry)
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Subject: Re: Masking the Elizabeth Line's ghosts
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 by: Roland Perry - Mon, 15 Jan 2024 07:08 UTC

In message <uXNoN.78$c1y8.12@fx15.ams1>, at 09:37:30 on Sun, 14 Jan
2024, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:

>https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-67959169

"No sweat" as they say.
--
Roland Perry

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From: Mutt...@dastardlyhq.com
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Subject: Re: Masking the Elizabeth Line's ghosts
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 by: Mutt...@dastardlyhq.com - Mon, 15 Jan 2024 14:44 UTC

On Mon, 15 Jan 2024 07:08:57 +0000
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>In message <uXNoN.78$c1y8.12@fx15.ams1>, at 09:37:30 on Sun, 14 Jan
>2024, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>
>>https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-67959169
>
>"No sweat" as they say.

Groan.

Actualy I reckon the paint or whatever it is is still slightly sticky and
the marks are probably fibres from clothing (since I doubt many people will
be sitting there with their tops off).

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 by: Andy Burns - Mon, 15 Jan 2024 15:51 UTC

Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:

> On Mon, 15 Jan 2024 07:08:57 +0000
> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>> In message <uXNoN.78$c1y8.12@fx15.ams1>, at 09:37:30 on Sun, 14 Jan
>> 2024, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>
>>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-67959169
>>
>> "No sweat" as they say.
>
> Groan.
>
> Actualy I reckon the paint or whatever it is is still slightly sticky and
> the marks are probably fibres from clothing (since I doubt many people will
> be sitting there with their tops off).

Just the general grime of London? I was always disgusted at the black
snot you'd get after spending a day there with a few underground
journeys ...

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From: Mutt...@dastardlyhq.com
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Subject: Re: Masking the Elizabeth Line's ghosts
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 by: Mutt...@dastardlyhq.com - Mon, 15 Jan 2024 16:47 UTC

On Mon, 15 Jan 2024 15:51:15 +0000
Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
>Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 15 Jan 2024 07:08:57 +0000
>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>> In message <uXNoN.78$c1y8.12@fx15.ams1>, at 09:37:30 on Sun, 14 Jan
>>> 2024, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>
>>>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-67959169
>>>
>>> "No sweat" as they say.
>>
>> Groan.
>>
>> Actualy I reckon the paint or whatever it is is still slightly sticky and
>> the marks are probably fibres from clothing (since I doubt many people will
>> be sitting there with their tops off).
>
>Just the general grime of London? I was always disgusted at the black
>snot you'd get after spending a day there with a few underground
>journeys ...

Something ickle Sadiq never talks about despite all his virtue signalling
about air quality, ULEZ etc , is that the air in the tube is far more dirty
from a particulate POV than the busiest street full of buses.

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From: rai...@greywall.demon.co.uk (Graeme Wall)
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Subject: Re: Masking the Elizabeth Line's ghosts
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 by: Graeme Wall - Mon, 15 Jan 2024 17:48 UTC

On 15/01/2024 16:47, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
> On Mon, 15 Jan 2024 15:51:15 +0000
> Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
>> Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 15 Jan 2024 07:08:57 +0000
>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>> In message <uXNoN.78$c1y8.12@fx15.ams1>, at 09:37:30 on Sun, 14 Jan
>>>> 2024, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>>
>>>>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-67959169
>>>>
>>>> "No sweat" as they say.
>>>
>>> Groan.
>>>
>>> Actualy I reckon the paint or whatever it is is still slightly sticky and
>>> the marks are probably fibres from clothing (since I doubt many people will
>>> be sitting there with their tops off).
>>
>> Just the general grime of London? I was always disgusted at the black
>> snot you'd get after spending a day there with a few underground
>> journeys ...
>
> Something ickle Sadiq never talks about despite all his virtue signalling
> about air quality, ULEZ etc , is that the air in the tube is far more dirty
> from a particulate POV than the busiest street full of buses.
>

Cite?
--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.

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 by: Mutt...@dastardlyhq.com - Tue, 16 Jan 2024 09:16 UTC

On Mon, 15 Jan 2024 17:48:16 +0000
Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>On 15/01/2024 16:47, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
>> On Mon, 15 Jan 2024 15:51:15 +0000
>> Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
>>> Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 15 Jan 2024 07:08:57 +0000
>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>> In message <uXNoN.78$c1y8.12@fx15.ams1>, at 09:37:30 on Sun, 14 Jan
>>>>> 2024, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-67959169
>>>>>
>>>>> "No sweat" as they say.
>>>>
>>>> Groan.
>>>>
>>>> Actualy I reckon the paint or whatever it is is still slightly sticky and
>>>> the marks are probably fibres from clothing (since I doubt many people will
>
>>>> be sitting there with their tops off).
>>>
>>> Just the general grime of London? I was always disgusted at the black
>>> snot you'd get after spending a day there with a few underground
>>> journeys ...
>>
>> Something ickle Sadiq never talks about despite all his virtue signalling
>> about air quality, ULEZ etc , is that the air in the tube is far more dirty
>> from a particulate POV than the busiest street full of buses.
>>
>
>Cite?

You want me cite that he *doesn't* talk about it? Ie prove a negative?
Any suggestions as to how would be welcome.

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 by: Graeme Wall - Tue, 16 Jan 2024 10:00 UTC

On 16/01/2024 09:16, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
> On Mon, 15 Jan 2024 17:48:16 +0000
> Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>> On 15/01/2024 16:47, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
>>> On Mon, 15 Jan 2024 15:51:15 +0000
>>> Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
>>>> Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 15 Jan 2024 07:08:57 +0000
>>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>>> In message <uXNoN.78$c1y8.12@fx15.ams1>, at 09:37:30 on Sun, 14 Jan
>>>>>> 2024, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-67959169
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "No sweat" as they say.
>>>>>
>>>>> Groan.
>>>>>
>>>>> Actualy I reckon the paint or whatever it is is still slightly sticky and
>>>>> the marks are probably fibres from clothing (since I doubt many people will
>>
>>>>> be sitting there with their tops off).
>>>>
>>>> Just the general grime of London? I was always disgusted at the black
>>>> snot you'd get after spending a day there with a few underground
>>>> journeys ...
>>>
>>> Something ickle Sadiq never talks about despite all his virtue signalling
>>> about air quality, ULEZ etc , is that the air in the tube is far more dirty
>>> from a particulate POV than the busiest street full of buses.
>>>
>>
>> Cite?
>
> You want me cite that he *doesn't* talk about it? Ie prove a negative?
> Any suggestions as to how would be welcome.
>
>

Well dodged, cite your claim that the tube has more particulates than a
street full of buses.

--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.

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 by: Roland Perry - Tue, 16 Jan 2024 10:17 UTC

In message <uo5k36$1clgj$4@dont-email.me>, at 10:00:05 on Tue, 16 Jan
2024, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
>On 16/01/2024 09:16, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
>> On Mon, 15 Jan 2024 17:48:16 +0000
>> Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>> On 15/01/2024 16:47, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 15 Jan 2024 15:51:15 +0000
>>>> Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
>>>>> Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, 15 Jan 2024 07:08:57 +0000
>>>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>> In message <uXNoN.78$c1y8.12@fx15.ams1>, at 09:37:30 on Sun, 14 Jan
>>>>>>> 2024, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-67959169
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "No sweat" as they say.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Groan.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Actualy I reckon the paint or whatever it is is still slightly sticky and
>>>>>> the marks are probably fibres from clothing (since I doubt many
>>>>>>people will
>>>
>>>>>> be sitting there with their tops off).
>>>>>
>>>>> Just the general grime of London? I was always disgusted at the black
>>>>> snot you'd get after spending a day there with a few underground
>>>>> journeys ...
>>>>
>>>> Something ickle Sadiq never talks about despite all his virtue signalling
>>>> about air quality, ULEZ etc , is that the air in the tube is far more dirty
>>>> from a particulate POV than the busiest street full of buses.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Cite?

>> You want me cite that he *doesn't* talk about it? Ie prove a
>>negative?

>> Any suggestions as to how would be welcome.
>
>Well dodged, cite your claim that the tube has more particulates than a
>street full of buses.

Different stretches of the tube will have different particulate
pollution (the same as different streets do).

It should be fairly simple to find cites for the worst of either (it
makes good clickbait, after all), then compare the numbers.

Although statisticians might find it more satisfactory to quote averages
for both - possibly weighted by the number of people affected at each
location.
--
Roland Perry

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Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>On 16/01/2024 09:16, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
>> On Mon, 15 Jan 2024 17:48:16 +0000
>> Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>> On 15/01/2024 16:47, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 15 Jan 2024 15:51:15 +0000
>>>> Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
>>>>> Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, 15 Jan 2024 07:08:57 +0000
>>>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>> In message <uXNoN.78$c1y8.12@fx15.ams1>, at 09:37:30 on Sun, 14 Jan
>>>>>>> 2024, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-67959169
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "No sweat" as they say.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Groan.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Actualy I reckon the paint or whatever it is is still slightly sticky and
>
>>>>>> the marks are probably fibres from clothing (since I doubt many people
>will
>>>
>>>>>> be sitting there with their tops off).
>>>>>
>>>>> Just the general grime of London? I was always disgusted at the black
>>>>> snot you'd get after spending a day there with a few underground
>>>>> journeys ...
>>>>
>>>> Something ickle Sadiq never talks about despite all his virtue signalling
>>>> about air quality, ULEZ etc , is that the air in the tube is far more dirty
>
>>>> from a particulate POV than the busiest street full of buses.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Cite?
>>
>> You want me cite that he *doesn't* talk about it? Ie prove a negative?
>> Any suggestions as to how would be welcome.
>>
>>
>
>Well dodged, cite your claim that the tube has more particulates than a
>street full of buses.

You really should aquaint yourself with this fantastic tool called Google.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/air-pollution-london-underground
-tube-worse-than-above-ground-a8721586.html

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Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
> In message <uo5k36$1clgj$4@dont-email.me>, at 10:00:05 on Tue, 16 Jan
> 2024, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
>> On 16/01/2024 09:16, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
>>> On Mon, 15 Jan 2024 17:48:16 +0000
>>> Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> On 15/01/2024 16:47, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 15 Jan 2024 15:51:15 +0000
>>>>> Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
>>>>>> Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, 15 Jan 2024 07:08:57 +0000
>>>>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>> In message <uXNoN.78$c1y8.12@fx15.ams1>, at 09:37:30 on Sun, 14 Jan
>>>>>>>> 2024, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-67959169
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "No sweat" as they say.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Groan.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Actualy I reckon the paint or whatever it is is still slightly sticky and
>>>>>>> the marks are probably fibres from clothing (since I doubt many
>>>>>>> people will
>>>>
>>>>>>> be sitting there with their tops off).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just the general grime of London? I was always disgusted at the black
>>>>>> snot you'd get after spending a day there with a few underground
>>>>>> journeys ...
>>>>>
>>>>> Something ickle Sadiq never talks about despite all his virtue signalling
>>>>> about air quality, ULEZ etc , is that the air in the tube is far more dirty
>>>>> from a particulate POV than the busiest street full of buses.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Cite?
>
>>> You want me cite that he *doesn't* talk about it? Ie prove a
>>> negative?
>
>>> Any suggestions as to how would be welcome.
>>
>> Well dodged, cite your claim that the tube has more particulates than a
>> street full of buses.
>
> Different stretches of the tube will have different particulate
> pollution (the same as different streets do).

Yes, it varies a lot by line. In general, the deep level Tubes are much
more polluted than the SSL, but there's variations between the deep Tube
lines, too.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/jan/21/phone-monitor-helps-london-tube-passengers-avoid-polluted-routes

>
> It should be fairly simple to find cites for the worst of either (it
> makes good clickbait, after all), then compare the numbers.

Particulates (mainly ferrous oxides) are much higher in Tube tunnels than
the streets, but other pollutants (nitrogen oxides, rubber particles) are
higher on the streets.

https://www.cam.ac.uk/stories/london-underground-pollution

>
> Although statisticians might find it more satisfactory to quote averages
> for both - possibly weighted by the number of people affected at each
> location.

I think the issue is that even commuters spend little time in deep Tube
tunnels, and it's possible to avoid them altogether for those with health
issues. But street level pollution is present 24x7, and unavoidable, even
for people who never get in a vehicle. So much lower levels are significant
to more people.

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>> Although statisticians might find it more satisfactory to quote averages
>> for both - possibly weighted by the number of people affected at each
>> location.
>
>I think the issue is that even commuters spend little time in deep Tube
>tunnels, and it's possible to avoid them altogether for those with health

Sorry? Its quite possible to spend an hour or more in the deep level tunnels.
Probably longer than most people spend walking along a polluted street.

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<Muttley@dastardlyhq.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 16 Jan 2024 10:48:22 GMT
> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
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>>> for both - possibly weighted by the number of people affected at each
>>> location.
>>
>> I think the issue is that even commuters spend little time in deep Tube
>> tunnels, and it's possible to avoid them altogether for those with health
>
> Sorry? Its quite possible to spend an hour or more in the deep level tunnels.

Generally not. Journeys can be over an hour, but the time spent in the deep
tunnels is usually much shorter.

> Probably longer than most people spend walking along a polluted street.

Do you think street pollution is fenced in?

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On Tue, 16 Jan 2024 16:38:58 GMT
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><Muttley@dastardlyhq.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, 16 Jan 2024 10:48:22 GMT
>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>> Although statisticians might find it more satisfactory to quote averages
>>>> for both - possibly weighted by the number of people affected at each
>>>> location.
>>>
>>> I think the issue is that even commuters spend little time in deep Tube
>>> tunnels, and it's possible to avoid them altogether for those with health
>>
>> Sorry? Its quite possible to spend an hour or more in the deep level tunnels.
>
>
>Generally not. Journeys can be over an hour, but the time spent in the deep
>tunnels is usually much shorter.
>
>> Probably longer than most people spend walking along a polluted street.
>
>Do you think street pollution is fenced in?

No, but it disperses obviously and becomes less concentrated the further away
you get from the road.

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<Muttley@dastardlyhq.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 16 Jan 2024 16:38:58 GMT
> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>> <Muttley@dastardlyhq.com> wrote:
>>> On Tue, 16 Jan 2024 10:48:22 GMT
>>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>> Although statisticians might find it more satisfactory to quote averages
>>>>> for both - possibly weighted by the number of people affected at each
>>>>> location.
>>>>
>>>> I think the issue is that even commuters spend little time in deep Tube
>>>> tunnels, and it's possible to avoid them altogether for those with health
>>>
>>> Sorry? Its quite possible to spend an hour or more in the deep level tunnels.
>>
>>
>> Generally not. Journeys can be over an hour, but the time spent in the deep
>> tunnels is usually much shorter.
>>
>>> Probably longer than most people spend walking along a polluted street.
>>
>> Do you think street pollution is fenced in?
>
> No, but it disperses obviously and becomes less concentrated the further away
> you get from the road.

It pervades all of central London.

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><Muttley@dastardlyhq.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, 16 Jan 2024 16:38:58 GMT
>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> <Muttley@dastardlyhq.com> wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 16 Jan 2024 10:48:22 GMT
>>>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>>> Although statisticians might find it more satisfactory to quote averages
>
>>>>>> for both - possibly weighted by the number of people affected at each
>>>>>> location.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think the issue is that even commuters spend little time in deep Tube
>>>>> tunnels, and it's possible to avoid them altogether for those with health
>>>>
>>>> Sorry? Its quite possible to spend an hour or more in the deep level
>tunnels.
>>>
>>>
>>> Generally not. Journeys can be over an hour, but the time spent in the deep
>>> tunnels is usually much shorter.
>>>
>>>> Probably longer than most people spend walking along a polluted street.
>>>
>>> Do you think street pollution is fenced in?
>>
>> No, but it disperses obviously and becomes less concentrated the further away
>
>> you get from the road.
>
>It pervades all of central London.

So Oxford Street being the most polluted street in Britain was a lie then
because using your logic all london streets would be equally polluted?

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 by: Graeme Wall - Tue, 16 Jan 2024 22:03 UTC

On 16/01/2024 15:58, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
> On Tue, 16 Jan 2024 10:48:22 GMT
> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>> Although statisticians might find it more satisfactory to quote averages
>>> for both - possibly weighted by the number of people affected at each
>>> location.
>>
>> I think the issue is that even commuters spend little time in deep Tube
>> tunnels, and it's possible to avoid them altogether for those with health
>
> Sorry? Its quite possible to spend an hour or more in the deep level tunnels.
> Probably longer than most people spend walking along a polluted street.
>

Most people would have boarded a train long before.
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