In the second phase of the County Championship we seem to have teams with fractional losses and draws (and fractional points for batting and bowling as well)

For example Hampshire have
Played 3
Won 1
Lost 0.5
Drawn 1.5
Batting Points 1.5
Bowling Points 9
Total Points 38.5

How does this happen? Do the games played against the team that was in your Group in the first phase count as half games for the second stage?

On Mon, 13 Sep 2021 10:50:25 -0700 (PDT), Brian DSouza
<themightyatlast@gmail.com> wrote:

>In the second phase of the County Championship we seem to have teams with fractional losses and draws (and fractional points for batting and bowling as well)
>
>For example Hampshire have
>Played 3
>Won 1
>Lost 0.5
>Drawn 1.5
>Batting Points 1.5
>Bowling Points 9
>Total Points 38.5
>
>How does this happen? Do the games played against the team that was in your Group in the first phase count as half games for the second stage?

How can you lose a quarter of two drawn matches?

max.it

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On Mon, 13 Sep 2021 10:50:25 -0700 (PDT), Brian DSouza
<themightyatlast@gmail.com> wrote:

>In the second phase of the County Championship we seem to have teams with fractional losses and draws (and fractional points for batting and bowling as well)
>
>For example Hampshire have
>Played 3
>Won 1
>Lost 0.5
>Drawn 1.5
>Batting Points 1.5
>Bowling Points 9
>Total Points 38.5
>
>How does this happen? Do the games played against the team that was in your Group in the first phase count as half games for the second stage?

Yes.

Cheers,

Mike

On Monday, September 13, 2021 at 7:07:29 PM UTC+1, max.it wrote:
> On Mon, 13 Sep 2021 10:50:25 -0700 (PDT), Brian DSouza
> <themigh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >In the second phase of the County Championship we seem to have teams with fractional losses and draws (and fractional points for batting and bowling as well)
> >
> >For example Hampshire have
> >Played 3
> >Won 1
> >Lost 0.5
> >Drawn 1.5
> >Batting Points 1.5
> >Bowling Points 9
> >Total Points 38.5
> >
> >How does this happen? Do the games played against the team that was in your Group in the first phase count as half games for the second stage?
> How can you lose a quarter of two drawn matches?
>

no idea. but this table seems devoid of such fractional complexity

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/county-championship-2021-1244186/points-table-standings

mike

In message <2d851090-c1a8-4122-88c1-00b17b0a301an@googlegroups.com>,
mike <dmike204@yahoo.co.uk> writes
>On Monday, September 13, 2021 at 7:07:29 PM UTC+1, max.it wrote:
>> On Mon, 13 Sep 2021 10:50:25 -0700 (PDT), Brian DSouza
>> <themigh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >In the second phase of the County Championship we seem to have teams
>> >with fractional losses and draws (and fractional points for batting
>> >and bowling as well)
>> >
>> >For example Hampshire have
>> >Played 3
>> >Won 1
>> >Lost 0.5
>> >Drawn 1.5
>> >Batting Points 1.5
>> >Bowling Points 9
>> >Total Points 38.5
>> >
>> >How does this happen? Do the games played against the team that was
>> >in your Group in the first phase count as half games for the second
>> >
>> How can you lose a quarter of two drawn matches?
>>
>
>no idea. but this table seems devoid of such fractional complexity
>
>https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/county-championship-2021-1244186/poi
>nts-table-standings

I'm not sure it's an improvement, though, as it replaces fractional
complexity with what one might call "additional complexity", as the
W+D+L values mostly don't add up to the figure in the M(atches) column.
It's true that the M values have a suffix of an asterisk, but nowhere
does it seem to tell you what the asterisk represents.
--
John Hall
"Home is heaven and orgies are vile,
But you *need* an orgy, once in a while."
Ogden Nash (1902-1971)

On Tuesday, September 14, 2021 at 9:16:11 AM UTC+1, John Hall wrote:
> In message <2d851090-c1a8-4122...@googlegroups.com>,
> mike <dmik...@yahoo.co.uk> writes
> >On Monday, September 13, 2021 at 7:07:29 PM UTC+1, max.it wrote:
> >> On Mon, 13 Sep 2021 10:50:25 -0700 (PDT), Brian DSouza
> >> <themigh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >In the second phase of the County Championship we seem to have teams
> >> >with fractional losses and draws (and fractional points for batting
> >> >and bowling as well)
> >> >
> >> >For example Hampshire have
> >> >Played 3
> >> >Won 1
> >> >Lost 0.5
> >> >Drawn 1.5
> >> >Batting Points 1.5
> >> >Bowling Points 9
> >> >Total Points 38.5
> >> >
> >> >How does this happen? Do the games played against the team that was
> >> >in your Group in the first phase count as half games for the second
> >> >
> >> How can you lose a quarter of two drawn matches?
> >>
> >
> >no idea. but this table seems devoid of such fractional complexity
> >
> >https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/county-championship-2021-1244186/poi
> >nts-table-standings
> I'm not sure it's an improvement, though, as it replaces fractional
> complexity with what one might call "additional complexity", as the
> W+D+L values mostly don't add up to the figure in the M(atches) column.
> It's true that the M values have a suffix of an asterisk, but nowhere
> does it seem to tell you what the asterisk represents.
> --
> John Hall
> "Home is heaven and orgies are vile,
> But you *need* an orgy, once in a while."
> Og den Nash (1902-1971)

Oh, for the simplicity of a single table of 18 counties playing 17 matches each with the Champion County finishing top or counties tying at the top. . RH

On Tuesday, 14 September 2021 at 09:16:11 UTC+1, John Hall wrote:
> In message <2d851090-c1a8-4122...@googlegroups.com>,
> mike <dmik...@yahoo.co.uk> writes
> >On Monday, September 13, 2021 at 7:07:29 PM UTC+1, max.it wrote:
> >> On Mon, 13 Sep 2021 10:50:25 -0700 (PDT), Brian DSouza
> >> <themigh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >In the second phase of the County Championship we seem to have teams
> >> >with fractional losses and draws (and fractional points for batting
> >> >and bowling as well)
> >> >
> >> >For example Hampshire have
> >> >Played 3
> >> >Won 1
> >> >Lost 0.5
> >> >Drawn 1.5
> >> >Batting Points 1.5
> >> >Bowling Points 9
> >> >Total Points 38.5
> >> >
> >> >How does this happen? Do the games played against the team that was
> >> >in your Group in the first phase count as half games for the second
> >> >
> >> How can you lose a quarter of two drawn matches?
> >>
> >
> >no idea. but this table seems devoid of such fractional complexity

That's because it simply doesn't include the matches from the group stage, except in the Points column.

> >https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/county-championship-2021-1244186/poi
> >nts-table-standings
> I'm not sure it's an improvement, though, as it replaces fractional
> complexity with what one might call "additional complexity", as the
> W+D+L values mostly don't add up to the figure in the M(atches) column.
> It's true that the M values have a suffix of an asterisk, but nowhere
> does it seem to tell you what the asterisk represents.

The asterisk means "including the match in progress", which obviously doesn't have a result yet, but is included to show bonus points so far.
--
David North

On Tuesday, September 14, 2021 at 1:36:20 PM UTC+1, nos...@lane-farm.fsnet.co.uk wrote:
> On Tuesday, 14 September 2021 at 09:16:11 UTC+1, John Hall wrote:
> > In message <2d851090-c1a8-4122...@googlegroups.com>,
> > mike <dmik...@yahoo.co.uk> writes
> > >On Monday, September 13, 2021 at 7:07:29 PM UTC+1, max.it wrote:
> > >> On Mon, 13 Sep 2021 10:50:25 -0700 (PDT), Brian DSouza
> > >> <themigh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> >In the second phase of the County Championship we seem to have teams
> > >> >with fractional losses and draws (and fractional points for batting
> > >> >and bowling as well)
> > >> >
> > >> >For example Hampshire have
> > >> >Played 3
> > >> >Won 1
> > >> >Lost 0.5
> > >> >Drawn 1.5
> > >> >Batting Points 1.5
> > >> >Bowling Points 9
> > >> >Total Points 38.5
> > >> >
> > >> >How does this happen? Do the games played against the team that was
> > >> >in your Group in the first phase count as half games for the second
> > >> >
> > >> How can you lose a quarter of two drawn matches?
> > >>
> > >
> > >no idea. but this table seems devoid of such fractional complexity
> That's because it simply doesn't include the matches from the group stage, except in the Points column.
> > >https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/county-championship-2021-1244186/poi
> > >nts-table-standings
> > I'm not sure it's an improvement, though, as it replaces fractional
> > complexity with what one might call "additional complexity", as the
> > W+D+L values mostly don't add up to the figure in the M(atches) column.
> > It's true that the M values have a suffix of an asterisk, but nowhere
> > does it seem to tell you what the asterisk represents.
> The asterisk means "including the match in progress", which obviously doesn't have a result yet, but is included to show bonus points so far.
> --
> David North

despite the complexity of the format we have 4 teams contesting the title in the
last round. not sure what the teams in the 2 other groups are playing for, as i
havnt read the small print, but it looks like its gonna be an interesting end
to the season if the warm weather holds up into next week.

mike

In message <f44eb2c2-f46e-4e5d-9b11-90be9958a6c2n@googlegroups.com>,
mike <dmike204@yahoo.co.uk> writes
>despite the complexity of the format we have 4 teams contesting the
>title in the last round. not sure what the teams in the 2 other groups
>are playing for, as i havnt read the small print,

Just better prize money, I think. Unless they decide to rejig the format
again for next season, in which case a county's position in the final
table might affect the division in which they start next season.

> but it looks like its gonna be an interesting end to the season if the
>warm weather holds up into next week.

Indeed. Unfortunately I don't think the forecast is too encouraging ATM.
--
John Hall
"Home is heaven and orgies are vile,
But you *need* an orgy, once in a while."
Ogden Nash (1902-1971)