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* Woman's alleged search history exposed in courtMax
+* Re: Woman's alleged search history exposed in courtSylvia Else
|+* Re: Woman's alleged search history exposed in courtPeter Jason
||+* Re: Woman's alleged search history exposed in courtPhil Allison
|||`- Re: Woman's alleged search history exposed in courtPeter Jason
||+* Re: Woman's alleged search history exposed in courtNews 2021
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||| +- Re: Woman's alleged search history exposed in courtPhil Allison
||| +* Re: Woman's alleged search history exposed in courtGary R. Schmidt
||| |`- Re: Woman's alleged search history exposed in courtPhil Allison
||| +- Re: Woman's alleged search history exposed in courtRex Libris
||| +- Re: Woman's alleged search history exposed in courtRod Speed
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|||  +* Re: Woman's alleged search history exposed in courtPhil Allison
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|||  `* Re: Woman's alleged search history exposed in courtDechucka
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|||   `* Re: Woman's alleged search history exposed in courtPeter Jason
|||    `* Re: Woman's alleged search history exposed in courtkeithr0
|||     +- Re: Woman's alleged search history exposed in courtFrank Slootweg
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||`* Re: Woman's alleged search history exposed in courtRex Libris
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|| |`* Re: Woman's alleged search history exposed in courtRex Libris
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|| |  `* Re: Woman's alleged search history exposed in courtRex Libris
|| |   `* Re: Woman's alleged search history exposed in courtPhil Allison
|| |    `* Re: Woman's alleged search history exposed in courtRex Libris
|| |     +* Re: Woman's alleged search history exposed in courtPhil Allison
|| |     |`- Re: Woman's alleged search history exposed in courtRex Libris
|| |     `- Re: Woman's alleged search history exposed in courtRod Speed
|| +* Re: Woman's alleged search history exposed in courtDechucka
|| |`- Re: Woman's alleged search history exposed in courtRex Libris
|| `* Re: Woman's alleged search history exposed in courtFrank Slootweg
||  +* Re: Woman's alleged search history exposed in courtPetzl
||  |`* Re: Woman's alleged search history exposed in courtMax
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||  | +* Re: Woman's alleged search history exposed in courtPetzl
||  | |+* Re: Woman's alleged search history exposed in courtMax
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||  | |`* Re: Woman's alleged search history exposed in courtRex Libris
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|`* Re: Woman's alleged search history exposed in courtRex Libris
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 by: Rex Libris - Sat, 3 Apr 2021 07:23 UTC

On Sat, 03 Apr 2021 17:08:43 +1100
Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

> Tiberius Caesar who reigned for 22 years,
> and his last year was AD 37. wrote:
> "The extremities of Spain, the various parts of Gaul, the regions of
> Britain which have never been penetrated by Roman arms, have received
> the religion of Christ."

Forced conversion, murders, and tortures all made that possible.
Nothing voluntary. So much for a loving Christ.

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 by: Phil Allison - Sat, 3 Apr 2021 07:53 UTC

Rex Libris = Fucking Nut Cased Troll wrote:
================================
>
> > Tiberius Caesar who reigned for 22 years,
> > and his last year was AD 37. wrote:
> > "The extremities of Spain, the various parts of Gaul, the regions of
> > Britain which have never been penetrated by Roman arms, have received
> > the religion of Christ."

** Fake quote - not faintly possible from Tiberius.

FFS Jesus died in AD 33 !!

Pretzel is a raving, schizoid idiot, worse even than you.

...... Phil

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 by: Max - Sat, 3 Apr 2021 09:24 UTC

On 3/04/2021 3:21 pm, Rex Libris wrote:
> On Sat, 3 Apr 2021 15:40:44 +1100
> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote:
>
>> Does the VPN keep logs? If they do then they are of no help.
>
> Many do, some claim not to, but how to believe.
>
> And Express VPN a bit dicey, an investigation into them fails to find
> enough information about the owners, or their policies. Treat them
> with great suspicion.
>

Is Proton the best? It looks pretty good. Seems to be used by journalists.

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 by: Max - Sat, 3 Apr 2021 09:31 UTC

On 3/04/2021 1:12 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 31/03/2021 5:13 pm, Max wrote:
>> https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/courts-law/natasha-darcy-googled-how-to-commit-murder-in-months-before-she-allegedly-murdered-partner-court-hears/news-story/64455a86b372906b9a297a0319426d8b
>>
>>
>> Woman allegedly googled "how to commit murder" along with other things
>> which were exposed in a court case where she is accused of murdering
>> her partner.
>>
>> How is search history obtained by police/prosecutors?  Google uses SSL
>> so I would have thought that search terms would not be recorded in the
>> meta-data that ISPs are required to retain.
>>
>> The only way is the search history retained by the browser.  So has
>> this woman stupidly not used an Incognito/Private browser window to
>> make these alleged searches?
>
> If you really have to Google "How to commit a murder " (a pretty stupid
> idea in the first place) the best idea is to buy the cheapest working
> laptop from Cash Converters or your local pawn shop for cash. Then head
> to a shopping centre/airport/Starbucks or anywhere where there is free
> Wifi making sure that you are out of sight of CCTV. Google away for all
> you are worth and then, when you are done, deep six the laptop.
>
> At least that's what I always do :)

You can make a bootable USB stick which has a version of Linux on it
whereby nothing is ever written to the USB stick or any hard drive on
the computer. The only thing that happens is in the RAM which is wiped
when you turn the computer off.

Simply boot with one of these, use a no-log VPN, and do whatever you
want on the internet.

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 by: keithr0 - Sat, 3 Apr 2021 09:44 UTC

On 3/04/2021 7:31 pm, Max wrote:
> On 3/04/2021 1:12 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 31/03/2021 5:13 pm, Max wrote:
>>> https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/courts-law/natasha-darcy-googled-how-to-commit-murder-in-months-before-she-allegedly-murdered-partner-court-hears/news-story/64455a86b372906b9a297a0319426d8b
>>>
>>>
>>> Woman allegedly googled "how to commit murder" along with other
>>> things which were exposed in a court case where she is accused of
>>> murdering her partner.
>>>
>>> How is search history obtained by police/prosecutors?  Google uses
>>> SSL so I would have thought that search terms would not be recorded
>>> in the meta-data that ISPs are required to retain.
>>>
>>> The only way is the search history retained by the browser.  So has
>>> this woman stupidly not used an Incognito/Private browser window to
>>> make these alleged searches?
>>
>> If you really have to Google "How to commit a murder " (a pretty
>> stupid idea in the first place) the best idea is to buy the cheapest
>> working laptop from Cash Converters or your local pawn shop for cash.
>> Then head to a shopping centre/airport/Starbucks or anywhere where
>> there is free Wifi making sure that you are out of sight of CCTV.
>> Google away for all you are worth and then, when you are done, deep
>> six the laptop.
>>
>> At least that's what I always do :)
>
> You can make a bootable USB stick which has a version of Linux on it
> whereby nothing is ever written to the USB stick or any hard drive on
> the computer.  The only thing that happens is in the RAM which is wiped
> when you turn the computer off.
>
> Simply boot with one of these, use a no-log VPN, and do whatever you
> want on the internet.

If you want to believe that, go ahead.

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 by: Max - Sat, 3 Apr 2021 09:47 UTC

On 3/04/2021 5:44 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 3/04/2021 7:31 pm, Max wrote:
>> On 3/04/2021 1:12 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 31/03/2021 5:13 pm, Max wrote:
>>>> https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/courts-law/natasha-darcy-googled-how-to-commit-murder-in-months-before-she-allegedly-murdered-partner-court-hears/news-story/64455a86b372906b9a297a0319426d8b
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Woman allegedly googled "how to commit murder" along with other
>>>> things which were exposed in a court case where she is accused of
>>>> murdering her partner.
>>>>
>>>> How is search history obtained by police/prosecutors?  Google uses
>>>> SSL so I would have thought that search terms would not be recorded
>>>> in the meta-data that ISPs are required to retain.
>>>>
>>>> The only way is the search history retained by the browser.  So has
>>>> this woman stupidly not used an Incognito/Private browser window to
>>>> make these alleged searches?
>>>
>>> If you really have to Google "How to commit a murder " (a pretty
>>> stupid idea in the first place) the best idea is to buy the cheapest
>>> working laptop from Cash Converters or your local pawn shop for cash.
>>> Then head to a shopping centre/airport/Starbucks or anywhere where
>>> there is free Wifi making sure that you are out of sight of CCTV.
>>> Google away for all you are worth and then, when you are done, deep
>>> six the laptop.
>>>
>>> At least that's what I always do :)
>>
>> You can make a bootable USB stick which has a version of Linux on it
>> whereby nothing is ever written to the USB stick or any hard drive on
>> the computer.  The only thing that happens is in the RAM which is
>> wiped when you turn the computer off.
>>
>> Simply boot with one of these, use a no-log VPN, and do whatever you
>> want on the internet.
>
> If you want to believe that, go ahead.

What else can you do? By your logic, you would never leave the house
for fear of being run over.

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 by: Petzl - Sat, 3 Apr 2021 11:19 UTC

On Sat, 3 Apr 2021 14:34:32 +0800, Max <max@val.morgan> wrote:

>On 3/04/2021 2:08 pm, Petzl wrote:
>> On Sat, 3 Apr 2021 15:40:44 +1100, Max <max@val.morgan> wrote:
>>
>>> On 3/04/2021 9:48 am, Petzl wrote:
>>>> On 2 Apr 2021 15:14:01 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Rex Libris <king.book@bookworm.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, 01 Apr 2021 09:37:27 +1100
>>>>>> Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Would the woman be informed by the police, or Google,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Google always inform the person involved.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://support.google.com/transparencyreport/answer/9713961?hl=en
>>>>>
>>>>> Aside from the already mentioned jurisdiction(s) aspect, it depends on
>>>>> whether or not there *is* such an animal as a (Google) "account holder".
>>>>>
>>>>> I.e. especially on a PC, you can use Google - the search engine, not
>>>>> the company - without a Google Account. In that case Google might have
>>>>> 'your' browsing history, but has no way of knowing *who* 'you' are,
>>>>> without information from your ISP(s), derived from your IP address(es).
>>>>> In such a case, I think it's unlikely that Google will inform you. Maybe
>>>>> - depending on their rules and jurisdiction(s) -, your ISP(s) will
>>>>> inform you.
>>>>
>>>> VPN's are cheap now mines $30 a year, all data encrypted to and from
>>>> your computer, I believe they area good security feature.
>>>
>>> Does the VPN keep logs? If they do then they are of no help.
>>>
>> They claim they do not keep logs, Germany they are illegal if they do
>> Mine P.I.A has defeted the FBI twice so far in requring them to log.
>>
>
>Do you mean in Germany they are not allowed to keep logs?

Not allowed to keep logs

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 by: Petzl - Sat, 3 Apr 2021 11:25 UTC

On Sat, 3 Apr 2021 07:03:42 -0000 (UTC), News 2021 <news21@woa.com.au>
wrote:

>On Sat, 03 Apr 2021 14:34:32 +0800, Max scribed:
>
>>> They claim they do not keep logs, Germany they are illegal if they do
>>> Mine P.I.A has defeted the FBI twice so far in requring them to log.
>>>
>>>
>> Do you mean in Germany they are not allowed to keep logs?
>
>No, the VPN company PIA has twice demonstrated, in court, that they have
>no logs they can supply. Except how the login was paid for.

But they select your IP randomly from 10's or maybe 100's of thousands
of IP's each time you log in/on
--
Petzl
Tiberius Caesar who reigned for 22 years,
and his last year was AD 37. wrote:
"The extremities of Spain, the various parts of Gaul, the regions of
Britain which have never been penetrated by Roman arms, have received
the religion of Christ."

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 by: Frank Slootweg - Sat, 3 Apr 2021 14:28 UTC

keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote:
> On 3/04/2021 8:46 am, Peter Jason wrote:
> > On Fri, 2 Apr 2021 12:33:47 +1100, Dechucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On 2/04/2021 11:51 am, News 2021 wrote:
> >>> On Thu, 01 Apr 2021 12:54:10 +1100, Max scribed:
> >>>
> >>>> Would she have a chance to quickly run to the computer and erase
> >>>> browsing history?
> >>>
> >>> FYI, there are some browsers that can be set to clear all cookies and/or
> >>> search history on exit. Supposedly. All this would have been know to
> >>> anyone who bother to at least read the fine print and/or ask "what's the
> >>> catch?".
> >>>
> >> The question is are there copies of the search history on the search
> >> engine servers. Easy enough to get rid of histories and cookies and
> >> clean the computer with a drive wiper, Not sure if the real smarties
> >> could unclean it. Would it delete the MFT?
> >
> > One protection is to store sensitive stuff on a thumb drive; this can
> > be unplugged and swallowed in an instant, especially if plugged into a
> > USB3 extension cable. They're very small at present.....
> > https://www.pccasegear.com/products/42470/sandisk-ultra-fit-usb-3-1-flash-drive-16gb
>
> Try a microSD card in an adaptor, you could hide one of those just about
> anywhere.

You've been looking at my laptop again, haven't you!?

Note to self: <gargle> Next time remove the microSD card from the
adaptor before swallowing it! </gargle>

[...]

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 by: Computer Nerd Kev - Sat, 3 Apr 2021 22:38 UTC

In aus.computers News 2021 <news21@woa.com.au> wrote:
> On Sat, 03 Apr 2021 14:34:32 +0800, Max scribed:
>
>>> They claim they do not keep logs, Germany they are illegal if they do
>>> Mine P.I.A has defeted the FBI twice so far in requring them to log.
>>>
>>>
>> Do you mean in Germany they are not allowed to keep logs?
>
> No, the VPN company PIA has twice demonstrated, in court, that they have
> no logs they can supply.

Maybe because they give them all to the NSA.

Certainly you couldn't trust any VPN operator in Aus because
they're required to secretly grant whatever access is requested by
security services.

But back to PIA, I thought having the former Mt. Gox CEO involved
looked bad enough, as he came out looking absolutely gutless (at
best) in the documentary I saw about Mt. Gox. Now I see they've
been sold to "Kape Technologies", whose CEO and co-founder is a
former Israeli intelligence officer who worked for Israel's
equivalent of the NSA. Plus they also have a long history of making
malware products.

https://restoreprivacy.com/private-internet-access-kape-crossrider/
https://www.cnet.com/news/what-is-kape-technologies-what-you-need-to-know-about-the-parent-company-of-cyberghost-vpn/

Even if a VPN provider looks to be run by privacy saints I wouldn't
trust them because there's just no way to know what goes on in
their server room. But when they look THIS BAD, well it's just
silly.

If you do want to do some untracable browsing, free WiFi is a good
option, accessed from inside a car parked out the back of the
building where it is offered. You want to be using a WiFi interface
where the MAC address can be changed each time, otherwise it could
potentially be a give-away. Boot from a live Linux distro or
something like Tiny Core Linux which always stores user-data in RAM
and can be easily booted to a clean default state.

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 by: Computer Nerd Kev - Sat, 3 Apr 2021 22:49 UTC

In aus.computers Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote:
> In aus.computers News 2021 <news21@woa.com.au> wrote:
>> On Sat, 03 Apr 2021 14:34:32 +0800, Max scribed:
>>
>>>> They claim they do not keep logs, Germany they are illegal if they do
>>>> Mine P.I.A has defeted the FBI twice so far in requring them to log.
>>>>
>>> Do you mean in Germany they are not allowed to keep logs?
>>
>> No, the VPN company PIA has twice demonstrated, in court, that they have
>> no logs they can supply.
>
> Maybe because they give them all to the NSA.
>
> Certainly you couldn't trust any VPN operator in Aus because
> they're required to secretly grant whatever access is requested by
> security services.
>
> But back to PIA, I thought having the former Mt. Gox CEO involved
> looked bad enough, as he came out looking absolutely gutless (at
> best) in the documentary I saw about Mt. Gox. Now I see they've
> been sold to "Kape Technologies", whose CEO and co-founder is a
> former Israeli intelligence officer who worked for Israel's
> equivalent of the NSA. Plus they also have a long history of making
> malware products.
>
> https://restoreprivacy.com/private-internet-access-kape-crossrider/
> https://www.cnet.com/news/what-is-kape-technologies-what-you-need-to-know-about-the-parent-company-of-cyberghost-vpn/

Oh and Kape Technologies are a UK company (based in the Isle of Man
apparantly), so subject to UK law, not German law:
https://www.londonstockexchange.com/stock/KAPE/kape-technologies-plc/company-page

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 by: Rod Speed - Sun, 4 Apr 2021 00:48 UTC

"Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
news:s4aqpm$peu$1@gioia.aioe.org...
> In aus.computers News 2021 <news21@woa.com.au> wrote:
>> On Sat, 03 Apr 2021 14:34:32 +0800, Max scribed:
>>
>>>> They claim they do not keep logs, Germany they are illegal if they do
>>>> Mine P.I.A has defeted the FBI twice so far in requring them to log.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Do you mean in Germany they are not allowed to keep logs?
>>
>> No, the VPN company PIA has twice demonstrated, in court, that they have
>> no logs they can supply.
>
> Maybe because they give them all to the NSA.
>
> Certainly you couldn't trust any VPN operator in Aus because
> they're required to secretly grant whatever access is requested by
> security services.
>
> But back to PIA, I thought having the former Mt. Gox CEO involved
> looked bad enough, as he came out looking absolutely gutless (at
> best) in the documentary I saw about Mt. Gox. Now I see they've
> been sold to "Kape Technologies", whose CEO and co-founder is a
> former Israeli intelligence officer who worked for Israel's
> equivalent of the NSA. Plus they also have a long history of making
> malware products.
>
> https://restoreprivacy.com/private-internet-access-kape-crossrider/
> https://www.cnet.com/news/what-is-kape-technologies-what-you-need-to-know-about-the-parent-company-of-cyberghost-vpn/
>
> Even if a VPN provider looks to be run by privacy saints I wouldn't
> trust them because there's just no way to know what goes on in
> their server room. But when they look THIS BAD, well it's just
> silly.
>
> If you do want to do some untracable browsing, free WiFi is a good
> option, accessed from inside a car parked out the back of the
> building where it is offered. You want to be using a WiFi interface
> where the MAC address can be changed each time, otherwise it could
> potentially be a give-away. Boot from a live Linux distro or
> something like Tiny Core Linux which always stores user-data in RAM
> and can be easily booted to a clean default state.

Trouble with that approach is that its trivial
to work out that it was your car parked there.

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 by: Max - Sun, 4 Apr 2021 01:41 UTC

On 4/04/2021 8:48 am, Rod Speed wrote:
>
>
> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
> news:s4aqpm$peu$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>> In aus.computers News 2021 <news21@woa.com.au> wrote:
>>> On Sat, 03 Apr 2021 14:34:32 +0800, Max scribed:
>>>
>>>>> They claim they do not keep logs, Germany they are illegal if they do
>>>>> Mine P.I.A has defeted the FBI twice so far in requring them to log.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Do you mean in Germany they are not allowed to keep logs?
>>>
>>> No, the VPN company PIA has twice demonstrated, in court, that they have
>>> no logs they can supply.
>>
>> Maybe because they give them all to the NSA.
>>
>> Certainly you couldn't trust any VPN operator in Aus because
>> they're required to secretly grant whatever access is requested by
>> security services.
>>
>> But back to PIA, I thought having the former Mt. Gox CEO involved
>> looked bad enough, as he came out looking absolutely gutless (at
>> best) in the documentary I saw about Mt. Gox. Now I see they've
>> been sold to "Kape Technologies", whose CEO and co-founder is a
>> former Israeli intelligence officer who worked for Israel's
>> equivalent of the NSA. Plus they also have a long history of making
>> malware products.
>>
>> https://restoreprivacy.com/private-internet-access-kape-crossrider/
>> https://www.cnet.com/news/what-is-kape-technologies-what-you-need-to-know-about-the-parent-company-of-cyberghost-vpn/
>>
>>
>> Even if a VPN provider looks to be run by privacy saints I wouldn't
>> trust them because there's just no way to know what goes on in
>> their server room. But when they look THIS BAD, well it's just
>> silly.
>>
>> If you do want to do some untracable browsing, free WiFi is a good
>> option, accessed from inside a car parked out the back of the
>> building where it is offered. You want to be using a WiFi interface
>> where the MAC address can be changed each time, otherwise it could
>> potentially be a give-away. Boot from a live Linux distro or
>> something like Tiny Core Linux which always stores user-data in RAM
>> and can be easily booted to a clean default state.
>
> Trouble with that approach is that its trivial
> to work out that it was your car parked there.

Same problem with going into the McDonalds or shopping centre or
wherever - there is CCTV.

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 by: Computer Nerd Kev - Sun, 4 Apr 2021 02:38 UTC

In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
>>
>> If you do want to do some untracable browsing, free WiFi is a good
>> option, accessed from inside a car parked out the back of the
>> building where it is offered. You want to be using a WiFi interface
>> where the MAC address can be changed each time, otherwise it could
>> potentially be a give-away. Boot from a live Linux distro or
>> something like Tiny Core Linux which always stores user-data in RAM
>> and can be easily booted to a clean default state.
>
> Trouble with that approach is that its trivial
> to work out that it was your car parked there.

You want to do it in a small country town where there aren't
traffic cameras following you I suppose. Easy for me.

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 by: Rex Libris - Sun, 4 Apr 2021 02:36 UTC

On Sat, 3 Apr 2021 00:53:57 -0700 (PDT)
Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote:

> Rex Libris = Fucking Nut Cased Troll wrote:
> ================================
> >
> > > Tiberius Caesar who reigned for 22 years,
> > > and his last year was AD 37. wrote:
> > > "The extremities of Spain, the various parts of Gaul, the regions
> > > of Britain which have never been penetrated by Roman arms, have
> > > received the religion of Christ."
>
> ** Fake quote - not faintly possible from Tiberius.
>
> FFS Jesus died in AD 33 !!
>
> Pretzel is a raving, schizoid idiot, worse even than you.
>
>
>
> ..... Phil
>

LOL Phil the Dill doesn't even know who posted that, claiming I posted
it.

What a frigging cocksucking moron he is.

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 by: Rod Speed - Sun, 4 Apr 2021 04:11 UTC

"Max" <max@val.morgan> wrote in message news:s4b5fb$1f9$1@gioia.aioe.org...
> On 4/04/2021 8:48 am, Rod Speed wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:s4aqpm$peu$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>> In aus.computers News 2021 <news21@woa.com.au> wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 03 Apr 2021 14:34:32 +0800, Max scribed:
>>>>
>>>>>> They claim they do not keep logs, Germany they are illegal if they do
>>>>>> Mine P.I.A has defeted the FBI twice so far in requring them to log.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Do you mean in Germany they are not allowed to keep logs?
>>>>
>>>> No, the VPN company PIA has twice demonstrated, in court, that they
>>>> have
>>>> no logs they can supply.
>>>
>>> Maybe because they give them all to the NSA.
>>>
>>> Certainly you couldn't trust any VPN operator in Aus because
>>> they're required to secretly grant whatever access is requested by
>>> security services.
>>>
>>> But back to PIA, I thought having the former Mt. Gox CEO involved
>>> looked bad enough, as he came out looking absolutely gutless (at
>>> best) in the documentary I saw about Mt. Gox. Now I see they've
>>> been sold to "Kape Technologies", whose CEO and co-founder is a
>>> former Israeli intelligence officer who worked for Israel's
>>> equivalent of the NSA. Plus they also have a long history of making
>>> malware products.
>>>
>>> https://restoreprivacy.com/private-internet-access-kape-crossrider/
>>> https://www.cnet.com/news/what-is-kape-technologies-what-you-need-to-know-about-the-parent-company-of-cyberghost-vpn/
>>>
>>> Even if a VPN provider looks to be run by privacy saints I wouldn't
>>> trust them because there's just no way to know what goes on in
>>> their server room. But when they look THIS BAD, well it's just
>>> silly.
>>>
>>> If you do want to do some untracable browsing, free WiFi is a good
>>> option, accessed from inside a car parked out the back of the
>>> building where it is offered. You want to be using a WiFi interface
>>> where the MAC address can be changed each time, otherwise it could
>>> potentially be a give-away. Boot from a live Linux distro or
>>> something like Tiny Core Linux which always stores user-data in RAM
>>> and can be easily booted to a clean default state.
>>
>> Trouble with that approach is that its trivial
>> to work out that it was your car parked there.
>
> Same problem with going into the McDonalds or shopping centre or
> wherever - there is CCTV.

Yeah, even our main street has full CCTV coverage.

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 by: Rod Speed - Sun, 4 Apr 2021 04:14 UTC

"Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
news:s4b8q7$16ev$1@gioia.aioe.org...
> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
>>>
>>> If you do want to do some untracable browsing, free WiFi is a good
>>> option, accessed from inside a car parked out the back of the
>>> building where it is offered. You want to be using a WiFi interface
>>> where the MAC address can be changed each time, otherwise it could
>>> potentially be a give-away. Boot from a live Linux distro or
>>> something like Tiny Core Linux which always stores user-data in RAM
>>> and can be easily booted to a clean default state.
>>
>> Trouble with that approach is that its trivial
>> to work out that it was your car parked there.

> You want to do it in a small country town where there aren't
> traffic cameras following you I suppose. Easy for me.

Its not just traffic cameras, our country town main
street has full CCTV coverage down to the cop shop.
The smaller ones don’t have any library.

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 by: Petzl - Sun, 4 Apr 2021 05:22 UTC

On Sun, 4 Apr 2021 12:36:26 +1000, Rex Libris <king.book@bookworm.com>
wrote:

>On Sat, 3 Apr 2021 00:53:57 -0700 (PDT)
>Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Rex Libris = Fucking Nut Cased Troll wrote:
>> ================================
>> >
>> > > Tiberius Caesar who reigned for 22 years,
>> > > and his last year was AD 37. wrote:
>> > > "The extremities of Spain, the various parts of Gaul, the regions
>> > > of Britain which have never been penetrated by Roman arms, have
>> > > received the religion of Christ."
>>
>> ** Fake quote - not faintly possible from Tiberius.
>>
>> FFS Jesus died in AD 33 !!
>>
>> Pretzel is a raving, schizoid idiot, worse even than you.
>>
>>
>>
>> ..... Phil
>>
>
>LOL Phil the Dill doesn't even know who posted that, claiming I posted
>it.
>
>What a frigging cocksucking moron he is.

A member of MENSA you know?
It was a finding by the Vatican Catholic news that first printed the
article. But cannot prove the sctoll is genuine
--
Petzl
Tiberius Caesar who reigned for 22 years,
and his last year was AD 37. wrote:
"The extremities of Spain, the various parts of Gaul, the regions of
Britain which have never been penetrated by Roman arms, have received
the religion of Christ."

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 by: Computer Nerd Kev - Sun, 4 Apr 2021 21:42 UTC

In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
> news:s4b8q7$16ev$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>
>>>> If you do want to do some untracable browsing, free WiFi is a good
>>>> option, accessed from inside a car parked out the back of the
>>>> building where it is offered. You want to be using a WiFi interface
>>>> where the MAC address can be changed each time, otherwise it could
>>>> potentially be a give-away. Boot from a live Linux distro or
>>>> something like Tiny Core Linux which always stores user-data in RAM
>>>> and can be easily booted to a clean default state.
>>>
>>> Trouble with that approach is that its trivial
>>> to work out that it was your car parked there.
>
>> You want to do it in a small country town where there aren't
>> traffic cameras following you I suppose. Easy for me.
>
> Its not just traffic cameras, our country town main
> street has full CCTV coverage down to the cop shop.

I'm not sure what sort of state surveillance has been set up where
you are, but in the country towns I know that CCTV would be
independent for each store, so the cops would have to ask the
corresponding store owner to view their footage. If they know
which store captured you on CCTV, then they already know you
were there anyway, so the battle is already lost.

The only way the system you're describing would work is if there
was a Chinese-style police CCTV network automatically tracking
your location wherever you go.

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 by: Rod Speed - Sun, 4 Apr 2021 22:15 UTC

"Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
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> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:s4b8q7$16ev$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>
>>>>> If you do want to do some untracable browsing, free WiFi is a good
>>>>> option, accessed from inside a car parked out the back of the
>>>>> building where it is offered. You want to be using a WiFi interface
>>>>> where the MAC address can be changed each time, otherwise it could
>>>>> potentially be a give-away. Boot from a live Linux distro or
>>>>> something like Tiny Core Linux which always stores user-data in RAM
>>>>> and can be easily booted to a clean default state.
>>>>
>>>> Trouble with that approach is that its trivial
>>>> to work out that it was your car parked there.
>>
>>> You want to do it in a small country town where there aren't
>>> traffic cameras following you I suppose. Easy for me.
>>
>> Its not just traffic cameras, our country town main
>> street has full CCTV coverage down to the cop shop.

> I'm not sure what sort of state surveillance
> has been set up where you are,

It isnt state surveillance, it was done by the council after a
number of physical assaults in the main street at night etc.

> but in the country towns I know that CCTV
> would be independent for each store,

We have that here too.

> so the cops would have to ask the corresponding
> store owner to view their footage.

The main street footage all goes to the copshop live.

> If they know which store captured you on CCTV, then they already
> know you were there anyway, so the battle is already lost.

That’s not the case if they have worked out that someone
had used the library free wifi to do something nefarious
and were wanting to work out who it was who did that.

> The only way the system you're describing would work
> is if there was a Chinese-style police CCTV network
> automatically tracking your location wherever you go.

The current system would be able to work out who did it fine.

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 by: Computer Nerd Kev - Mon, 5 Apr 2021 02:00 UTC

In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
> news:s4dbss$1ujb$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
>>> news:s4b8q7$16ev$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>>> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you do want to do some untracable browsing, free WiFi is a good
>>>>>> option, accessed from inside a car parked out the back of the
>>>>>> building where it is offered. You want to be using a WiFi interface
>>>>>> where the MAC address can be changed each time, otherwise it could
>>>>>> potentially be a give-away. Boot from a live Linux distro or
>>>>>> something like Tiny Core Linux which always stores user-data in RAM
>>>>>> and can be easily booted to a clean default state.
>>>>>
>>>>> Trouble with that approach is that its trivial
>>>>> to work out that it was your car parked there.
>>>
>>>> You want to do it in a small country town where there aren't
>>>> traffic cameras following you I suppose. Easy for me.
>>>
>>> Its not just traffic cameras, our country town main
>>> street has full CCTV coverage down to the cop shop.
>
>> I'm not sure what sort of state surveillance
>> has been set up where you are,
>
> It isnt state surveillance, it was done by the council after a
> number of physical assaults in the main street at night etc.
>
>> but in the country towns I know that CCTV
>> would be independent for each store,
>
> We have that here too.
>
>> so the cops would have to ask the corresponding
>> store owner to view their footage.
>
> The main street footage all goes to the copshop live.

I'd call that state surveillance, but it's academic. Point is that
many towns don't have anything like that.

>> If they know which store captured you on CCTV, then they already
>> know you were there anyway, so the battle is already lost.
>
> That?s not the case if they have worked out that someone
> had used the library free wifi to do something nefarious
> and were wanting to work out who it was who did that.
>
>> The only way the system you're describing would work
>> is if there was a Chinese-style police CCTV network
>> automatically tracking your location wherever you go.
>
> The current system would be able to work out who did it fine.

Nonsense, I'm sure people search things like "how to commit murder"
all the time. They're not going to track down the location and then
identity of every single searcher in the hope that one will turn
out to be their suspect. Unless, as in China, the system is
designed to do all that automatically for them.

Of course if they did something self-identifying like log into an
online account, then that's different. But you don't need to do
that just to research a topic on the web.

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 by: Rod Speed - Mon, 5 Apr 2021 03:02 UTC

"Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
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> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:s4dbss$1ujb$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
>>>> news:s4b8q7$16ev$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>>>> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you do want to do some untracable browsing, free WiFi is a good
>>>>>>> option, accessed from inside a car parked out the back of the
>>>>>>> building where it is offered. You want to be using a WiFi interface
>>>>>>> where the MAC address can be changed each time, otherwise it could
>>>>>>> potentially be a give-away. Boot from a live Linux distro or
>>>>>>> something like Tiny Core Linux which always stores user-data in RAM
>>>>>>> and can be easily booted to a clean default state.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Trouble with that approach is that its trivial
>>>>>> to work out that it was your car parked there.
>>>>
>>>>> You want to do it in a small country town where there aren't
>>>>> traffic cameras following you I suppose. Easy for me.
>>>>
>>>> Its not just traffic cameras, our country town main
>>>> street has full CCTV coverage down to the cop shop.
>>
>>> I'm not sure what sort of state surveillance
>>> has been set up where you are,
>>
>> It isnt state surveillance, it was done by the council after a
>> number of physical assaults in the main street at night etc.
>>
>>> but in the country towns I know that CCTV
>>> would be independent for each store,
>>
>> We have that here too.
>>
>>> so the cops would have to ask the corresponding
>>> store owner to view their footage.
>>
>> The main street footage all goes to the copshop live.
>
> I'd call that state surveillance, but it's academic. Point is that
> many towns don't have anything like that.
>
>>> If they know which store captured you on CCTV, then they already
>>> know you were there anyway, so the battle is already lost.
>>
>> That?s not the case if they have worked out that someone
>> had used the library free wifi to do something nefarious
>> and were wanting to work out who it was who did that.
>>
>>> The only way the system you're describing would work
>>> is if there was a Chinese-style police CCTV network
>>> automatically tracking your location wherever you go.
>>
>> The current system would be able to work out who did it fine.
>
> Nonsense,

Nope.

> I'm sure people search things like "how to commit murder"
> all the time. They're not going to track down the location
> and then identity of every single searcher in the hope that
> one will turn out to be their suspect.

Its done the other way. Someone ends up dead, they
consider who might well be the one who did it, usually
starting with those associated with the one who ended
up dead. They then see who has a record of doing a
search which looks at the mo that was used etc.

> Unless, as in China, the system is designed
> to do all that automatically for them.

That isnt even possible.

> Of course if they did something self-identifying like log
> into an online account, then that's different. But you don't
> need to do that just to research a topic on the web.

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 by: Computer Nerd Kev - Mon, 5 Apr 2021 04:50 UTC

In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
> news:s4dqva$11gc$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
>>> news:s4dbss$1ujb$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>>> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>> news:s4b8q7$16ev$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>>>>> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If you do want to do some untracable browsing, free WiFi is a good
>>>>>>>> option, accessed from inside a car parked out the back of the
>>>>>>>> building where it is offered. You want to be using a WiFi interface
>>>>>>>> where the MAC address can be changed each time, otherwise it could
>>>>>>>> potentially be a give-away. Boot from a live Linux distro or
>>>>>>>> something like Tiny Core Linux which always stores user-data in RAM
>>>>>>>> and can be easily booted to a clean default state.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Trouble with that approach is that its trivial
>>>>>>> to work out that it was your car parked there.
>>>>>
>>>>>> You want to do it in a small country town where there aren't
>>>>>> traffic cameras following you I suppose. Easy for me.
>>>>>
>>>>> Its not just traffic cameras, our country town main
>>>>> street has full CCTV coverage down to the cop shop.
>>>
>>>> I'm not sure what sort of state surveillance
>>>> has been set up where you are,
>>>
>>> It isnt state surveillance, it was done by the council after a
>>> number of physical assaults in the main street at night etc.
>>>
>>>> but in the country towns I know that CCTV
>>>> would be independent for each store,
>>>
>>> We have that here too.
>>>
>>>> so the cops would have to ask the corresponding
>>>> store owner to view their footage.
>>>
>>> The main street footage all goes to the copshop live.
>>
>> I'd call that state surveillance, but it's academic. Point is that
>> many towns don't have anything like that.
>>
>>>> If they know which store captured you on CCTV, then they already
>>>> know you were there anyway, so the battle is already lost.
>>>
>>> That?s not the case if they have worked out that someone
>>> had used the library free wifi to do something nefarious
>>> and were wanting to work out who it was who did that.
>>>
>>>> The only way the system you're describing would work
>>>> is if there was a Chinese-style police CCTV network
>>>> automatically tracking your location wherever you go.
>>>
>>> The current system would be able to work out who did it fine.
>>
>> Nonsense,
>
> Nope.
>
>> I'm sure people search things like "how to commit murder"
>> all the time. They're not going to track down the location
>> and then identity of every single searcher in the hope that
>> one will turn out to be their suspect.
>
> Its done the other way. Someone ends up dead, they
> consider who might well be the one who did it, usually
> starting with those associated with the one who ended
> up dead. They then see who has a record of doing a
> search which looks at the mo that was used etc.

Yes, exactly, and if the murderer did their research at a free
WiFi hotspot in the way I described, then there wouldn't be a
record. Except if the cops intensely investigated every single
IP address from which any relevant browsing took place within
the last few days/weeks/months (bound to be many different
people), which is silly.

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 by: News 2021 - Mon, 5 Apr 2021 05:38 UTC

On Mon, 05 Apr 2021 04:50:34 +0000, Computer Nerd Kev scribed:

> Yes, exactly, and if the murderer did their research at a free WiFi
> hotspot in the way I described, then there wouldn't be a record. Except
> if the cops intensely investigated every single IP address from which
> any relevant browsing took place within the last few days/weeks/months
> (bound to be many different people), which is silly.

The bit you left out is not to do it at your local/regular place with
free wifi place, but then again something odd may get them to check cctv.

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 by: Rod Speed - Mon, 5 Apr 2021 06:09 UTC

"Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
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> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:s4dqva$11gc$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
>>>> news:s4dbss$1ujb$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>>>> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:s4b8q7$16ev$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>>>>>> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If you do want to do some untracable browsing, free WiFi is a good
>>>>>>>>> option, accessed from inside a car parked out the back of the
>>>>>>>>> building where it is offered. You want to be using a WiFi
>>>>>>>>> interface
>>>>>>>>> where the MAC address can be changed each time, otherwise it could
>>>>>>>>> potentially be a give-away. Boot from a live Linux distro or
>>>>>>>>> something like Tiny Core Linux which always stores user-data in
>>>>>>>>> RAM
>>>>>>>>> and can be easily booted to a clean default state.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Trouble with that approach is that its trivial
>>>>>>>> to work out that it was your car parked there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You want to do it in a small country town where there aren't
>>>>>>> traffic cameras following you I suppose. Easy for me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Its not just traffic cameras, our country town main
>>>>>> street has full CCTV coverage down to the cop shop.
>>>>
>>>>> I'm not sure what sort of state surveillance
>>>>> has been set up where you are,
>>>>
>>>> It isnt state surveillance, it was done by the council after a
>>>> number of physical assaults in the main street at night etc.
>>>>
>>>>> but in the country towns I know that CCTV
>>>>> would be independent for each store,
>>>>
>>>> We have that here too.
>>>>
>>>>> so the cops would have to ask the corresponding
>>>>> store owner to view their footage.
>>>>
>>>> The main street footage all goes to the copshop live.
>>>
>>> I'd call that state surveillance, but it's academic. Point is that
>>> many towns don't have anything like that.
>>>
>>>>> If they know which store captured you on CCTV, then they already
>>>>> know you were there anyway, so the battle is already lost.
>>>>
>>>> That?s not the case if they have worked out that someone
>>>> had used the library free wifi to do something nefarious
>>>> and were wanting to work out who it was who did that.
>>>>
>>>>> The only way the system you're describing would work
>>>>> is if there was a Chinese-style police CCTV network
>>>>> automatically tracking your location wherever you go.
>>>>
>>>> The current system would be able to work out who did it fine.
>>>
>>> Nonsense,
>>
>> Nope.
>>
>>> I'm sure people search things like "how to commit murder"
>>> all the time. They're not going to track down the location
>>> and then identity of every single searcher in the hope that
>>> one will turn out to be their suspect.
>>
>> Its done the other way. Someone ends up dead, they
>> consider who might well be the one who did it, usually
>> starting with those associated with the one who ended
>> up dead. They then see who has a record of doing a
>> search which looks at the mo that was used etc.

> Yes, exactly, and if the murderer did their research
> at a free WiFi hotspot in the way I described, then
> there wouldn't be a record.

Corse there is a record with that free wifi.

> Except if the cops intensely investigated every single
> IP address from which any relevant browsing took
> place within the last few days/weeks/months (bound
> to be many different people), which is silly.

Yes, but when they have decided that one or two
individuals are the likely perp and have no evidence
that it was them that they can present in a trial, they
are free to track where their mobiles have been and
then check the records at the various free wifis and
see if they can find any evidence of them searching
there.

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