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From: not...@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev)
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Subject: Re: Woman's alleged search history exposed in court
Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2021 21:58:40 +0000 (UTC)
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 by: Computer Nerd Kev - Mon, 5 Apr 2021 21:58 UTC

In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
> news:s4e4up$996$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
>>> news:s4dqva$11gc$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>>> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>> news:s4dbss$1ujb$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>>>>> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:s4b8q7$16ev$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>>>>>>> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If you do want to do some untracable browsing, free WiFi is a good
>>>>>>>>>> option, accessed from inside a car parked out the back of the
>>>>>>>>>> building where it is offered. You want to be using a WiFi
>>>>>>>>>> interface
>>>>>>>>>> where the MAC address can be changed each time, otherwise it could
>>>>>>>>>> potentially be a give-away. Boot from a live Linux distro or
>>>>>>>>>> something like Tiny Core Linux which always stores user-data in
>>>>>>>>>> RAM
>>>>>>>>>> and can be easily booted to a clean default state.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Trouble with that approach is that its trivial
>>>>>>>>> to work out that it was your car parked there.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You want to do it in a small country town where there aren't
>>>>>>>> traffic cameras following you I suppose. Easy for me.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Its not just traffic cameras, our country town main
>>>>>>> street has full CCTV coverage down to the cop shop.
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm not sure what sort of state surveillance
>>>>>> has been set up where you are,
>>>>>
>>>>> It isnt state surveillance, it was done by the council after a
>>>>> number of physical assaults in the main street at night etc.
>>>>>
>>>>>> but in the country towns I know that CCTV
>>>>>> would be independent for each store,
>>>>>
>>>>> We have that here too.
>>>>>
>>>>>> so the cops would have to ask the corresponding
>>>>>> store owner to view their footage.
>>>>>
>>>>> The main street footage all goes to the copshop live.
>>>>
>>>> I'd call that state surveillance, but it's academic. Point is that
>>>> many towns don't have anything like that.
>>>>
>>>>>> If they know which store captured you on CCTV, then they already
>>>>>> know you were there anyway, so the battle is already lost.
>>>>>
>>>>> That?s not the case if they have worked out that someone
>>>>> had used the library free wifi to do something nefarious
>>>>> and were wanting to work out who it was who did that.
>>>>>
>>>>>> The only way the system you're describing would work
>>>>>> is if there was a Chinese-style police CCTV network
>>>>>> automatically tracking your location wherever you go.
>>>>>
>>>>> The current system would be able to work out who did it fine.
>>>>
>>>> Nonsense,
>>>
>>> Nope.
>>>
>>>> I'm sure people search things like "how to commit murder"
>>>> all the time. They're not going to track down the location
>>>> and then identity of every single searcher in the hope that
>>>> one will turn out to be their suspect.
>>>
>>> Its done the other way. Someone ends up dead, they
>>> consider who might well be the one who did it, usually
>>> starting with those associated with the one who ended
>>> up dead. They then see who has a record of doing a
>>> search which looks at the mo that was used etc.
>
>> Yes, exactly, and if the murderer did their research
>> at a free WiFi hotspot in the way I described, then
>> there wouldn't be a record.
>
> Corse there is a record with that free wifi.

Not of who'se using it (besides MAC address, which I suggested they
change beforehand).

>> Except if the cops intensely investigated every single
>> IP address from which any relevant browsing took
>> place within the last few days/weeks/months (bound
>> to be many different people), which is silly.
>
> Yes, but when they have decided that one or two
> individuals are the likely perp and have no evidence
> that it was them that they can present in a trial, they
> are free to track where their mobiles have been and
> then check the records at the various free wifis and
> see if they can find any evidence of them searching
> there.

Yes, so turn off your mobile. I don't use one anyway.

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 by: Rod Speed - Tue, 6 Apr 2021 01:02 UTC

"Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
news:s4g16d$1oen$1@gioia.aioe.org...
> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:s4e4up$996$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
>>>> news:s4dqva$11gc$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>>>> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:s4dbss$1ujb$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>>>>>> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:s4b8q7$16ev$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>>>>>>>> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> If you do want to do some untracable browsing, free WiFi is a
>>>>>>>>>>> good
>>>>>>>>>>> option, accessed from inside a car parked out the back of the
>>>>>>>>>>> building where it is offered. You want to be using a WiFi
>>>>>>>>>>> interface
>>>>>>>>>>> where the MAC address can be changed each time, otherwise it
>>>>>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>>>>>> potentially be a give-away. Boot from a live Linux distro or
>>>>>>>>>>> something like Tiny Core Linux which always stores user-data in
>>>>>>>>>>> RAM
>>>>>>>>>>> and can be easily booted to a clean default state.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Trouble with that approach is that its trivial
>>>>>>>>>> to work out that it was your car parked there.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You want to do it in a small country town where there aren't
>>>>>>>>> traffic cameras following you I suppose. Easy for me.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Its not just traffic cameras, our country town main
>>>>>>>> street has full CCTV coverage down to the cop shop.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm not sure what sort of state surveillance
>>>>>>> has been set up where you are,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It isnt state surveillance, it was done by the council after a
>>>>>> number of physical assaults in the main street at night etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> but in the country towns I know that CCTV
>>>>>>> would be independent for each store,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We have that here too.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> so the cops would have to ask the corresponding
>>>>>>> store owner to view their footage.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The main street footage all goes to the copshop live.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd call that state surveillance, but it's academic. Point is that
>>>>> many towns don't have anything like that.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> If they know which store captured you on CCTV, then they already
>>>>>>> know you were there anyway, so the battle is already lost.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That?s not the case if they have worked out that someone
>>>>>> had used the library free wifi to do something nefarious
>>>>>> and were wanting to work out who it was who did that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The only way the system you're describing would work
>>>>>>> is if there was a Chinese-style police CCTV network
>>>>>>> automatically tracking your location wherever you go.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The current system would be able to work out who did it fine.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nonsense,
>>>>
>>>> Nope.
>>>>
>>>>> I'm sure people search things like "how to commit murder"
>>>>> all the time. They're not going to track down the location
>>>>> and then identity of every single searcher in the hope that
>>>>> one will turn out to be their suspect.
>>>>
>>>> Its done the other way. Someone ends up dead, they
>>>> consider who might well be the one who did it, usually
>>>> starting with those associated with the one who ended
>>>> up dead. They then see who has a record of doing a
>>>> search which looks at the mo that was used etc.
>>
>>> Yes, exactly, and if the murderer did their research
>>> at a free WiFi hotspot in the way I described, then
>>> there wouldn't be a record.
>>
>> Corse there is a record with that free wifi.
>
> Not of who'se using it (besides MAC address, which I suggested they
> change beforehand).
>
>>> Except if the cops intensely investigated every single
>>> IP address from which any relevant browsing took
>>> place within the last few days/weeks/months (bound
>>> to be many different people), which is silly.
>>
>> Yes, but when they have decided that one or two
>> individuals are the likely perp and have no evidence
>> that it was them that they can present in a trial, they
>> are free to track where their mobiles have been and
>> then check the records at the various free wifis and
>> see if they can find any evidence of them searching
>> there.

> Yes, so turn off your mobile.

Makes it even easier for them to check because
they only have to check the time when its off.

> I don't use one anyway.

Hardly anyone else is that stupid.

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 by: keithr0 - Tue, 6 Apr 2021 06:58 UTC

On 6/04/2021 11:02 am, Rod Speed wrote:
>
>
> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
> news:s4g16d$1oen$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
>>> news:s4e4up$996$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>>> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>> news:s4dqva$11gc$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>>>>> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:s4dbss$1ujb$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>>>>>>> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:s4b8q7$16ev$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>>>>>>>>> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> If you do want to do some untracable browsing, free WiFi is
>>>>>>>>>>>> a good
>>>>>>>>>>>> option, accessed from inside a car parked out the back of the
>>>>>>>>>>>> building where it is offered. You want to be using a WiFi
>>>>>>>>>>>> interface
>>>>>>>>>>>> where the MAC address can be changed each time, otherwise it
>>>>>>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>>>>>>> potentially be a give-away. Boot from a live Linux distro or
>>>>>>>>>>>> something like Tiny Core Linux which always stores user-data in
>>>>>>>>>>>> RAM
>>>>>>>>>>>> and can be easily booted to a clean default state.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Trouble with that approach is that its trivial
>>>>>>>>>>> to work out that it was your car parked there.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You want to do it in a small country town where there aren't
>>>>>>>>>> traffic cameras following you I suppose. Easy for me.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Its not just traffic cameras, our country town main
>>>>>>>>> street has full CCTV coverage down to the cop shop.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm not sure what sort of state surveillance
>>>>>>>> has been set up where you are,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It isnt state surveillance, it was done by the council after a
>>>>>>> number of physical assaults in the main street at night etc.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> but in the country towns I know that CCTV
>>>>>>>> would be independent for each store,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We have that here too.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> so the cops would have to ask the corresponding
>>>>>>>> store owner to view their footage.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The main street footage all goes to the copshop live.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'd call that state surveillance, but it's academic. Point is that
>>>>>> many towns don't have anything like that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If they know which store captured you on CCTV, then they already
>>>>>>>> know you were there anyway, so the battle is already lost.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That?s not the case if they have worked out that someone
>>>>>>> had used the library free wifi to do something nefarious
>>>>>>> and were wanting to work out who it was who did that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The only way the system you're describing would work
>>>>>>>> is if there was a Chinese-style police CCTV network
>>>>>>>> automatically tracking your location wherever you go.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The current system would be able to work out who did it fine.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nonsense,
>>>>>
>>>>> Nope.
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm sure people search things like "how to commit murder"
>>>>>> all the time. They're not going to track down the location
>>>>>> and then identity of every single searcher in the hope that
>>>>>> one will turn out to be their suspect.
>>>>>
>>>>> Its done the other way. Someone ends up dead, they
>>>>> consider who might well be the one who did it, usually
>>>>> starting with those associated with the one who ended
>>>>> up dead. They then see who has a record of doing a
>>>>> search which looks at the mo that was used etc.
>>>
>>>> Yes, exactly, and if the murderer did their research
>>>> at a free WiFi hotspot in the way I described, then
>>>> there wouldn't be a record.
>>>
>>> Corse there is a record with that free wifi.
>>
>> Not of who'se using it (besides MAC address, which I suggested they
>> change beforehand).
>>
>>>> Except if the cops intensely investigated every single
>>>> IP address from which any relevant browsing took
>>>> place within the last few days/weeks/months (bound
>>>> to be many different people), which is silly.
>>>
>>> Yes, but when they have decided that one or two
>>> individuals are the likely perp and have no evidence
>>> that it was them that they can present in a trial, they
>>> are free to track where their mobiles have been and
>>> then check the records at the various free wifis and
>>> see if they can find any evidence of them searching
>>> there.
>
>> Yes, so turn off your mobile.
>
> Makes it even easier for them to check because
> they only have to check the time when its off.

Then just leave it at home - simples.

>> I don't use one anyway.
>
> Hardly anyone else is that stupid.

Nowhere near as stupid as the zombies who can't go two minutes without
checking their phone.

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> Nowhere near as stupid as the zombies who can't go two minutes without
> checking their phone.

My phone has this feature where an alarm or sound goes off when
something happens. You and other people should use this feature.
I need my phone on 24/7 but most people don't.

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 by: Rod Speed - Tue, 6 Apr 2021 17:39 UTC

"keithr0" <user@account.invalid> wrote in message
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> On 6/04/2021 11:02 am, Rod Speed wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:s4g16d$1oen$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
>>>> news:s4e4up$996$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>>>> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:s4dqva$11gc$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>>>>>> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:s4dbss$1ujb$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>>>>>>>> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> news:s4b8q7$16ev$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>>>>>>>>>> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you do want to do some untracable browsing, free WiFi is a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> good
>>>>>>>>>>>>> option, accessed from inside a car parked out the back of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> building where it is offered. You want to be using a WiFi
>>>>>>>>>>>>> interface
>>>>>>>>>>>>> where the MAC address can be changed each time, otherwise it
>>>>>>>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>>>>>>>> potentially be a give-away. Boot from a live Linux distro or
>>>>>>>>>>>>> something like Tiny Core Linux which always stores user-data
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> RAM
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and can be easily booted to a clean default state.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Trouble with that approach is that its trivial
>>>>>>>>>>>> to work out that it was your car parked there.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You want to do it in a small country town where there aren't
>>>>>>>>>>> traffic cameras following you I suppose. Easy for me.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Its not just traffic cameras, our country town main
>>>>>>>>>> street has full CCTV coverage down to the cop shop.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure what sort of state surveillance
>>>>>>>>> has been set up where you are,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It isnt state surveillance, it was done by the council after a
>>>>>>>> number of physical assaults in the main street at night etc.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> but in the country towns I know that CCTV
>>>>>>>>> would be independent for each store,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We have that here too.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> so the cops would have to ask the corresponding
>>>>>>>>> store owner to view their footage.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The main street footage all goes to the copshop live.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'd call that state surveillance, but it's academic. Point is that
>>>>>>> many towns don't have anything like that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If they know which store captured you on CCTV, then they already
>>>>>>>>> know you were there anyway, so the battle is already lost.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That?s not the case if they have worked out that someone
>>>>>>>> had used the library free wifi to do something nefarious
>>>>>>>> and were wanting to work out who it was who did that.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The only way the system you're describing would work
>>>>>>>>> is if there was a Chinese-style police CCTV network
>>>>>>>>> automatically tracking your location wherever you go.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The current system would be able to work out who did it fine.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nonsense,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nope.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm sure people search things like "how to commit murder"
>>>>>>> all the time. They're not going to track down the location
>>>>>>> and then identity of every single searcher in the hope that
>>>>>>> one will turn out to be their suspect.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Its done the other way. Someone ends up dead, they
>>>>>> consider who might well be the one who did it, usually
>>>>>> starting with those associated with the one who ended
>>>>>> up dead. They then see who has a record of doing a
>>>>>> search which looks at the mo that was used etc.
>>>>
>>>>> Yes, exactly, and if the murderer did their research
>>>>> at a free WiFi hotspot in the way I described, then
>>>>> there wouldn't be a record.
>>>>
>>>> Corse there is a record with that free wifi.
>>>
>>> Not of who'se using it (besides MAC address, which I suggested they
>>> change beforehand).
>>>
>>>>> Except if the cops intensely investigated every single
>>>>> IP address from which any relevant browsing took
>>>>> place within the last few days/weeks/months (bound
>>>>> to be many different people), which is silly.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, but when they have decided that one or two
>>>> individuals are the likely perp and have no evidence
>>>> that it was them that they can present in a trial, they
>>>> are free to track where their mobiles have been and
>>>> then check the records at the various free wifis and
>>>> see if they can find any evidence of them searching
>>>> there.
>>
>>> Yes, so turn off your mobile.
>>
>> Makes it even easier for them to check because
>> they only have to check the time when its off.
>
> Then just leave it at home - simples.

Still trivial to check the free wifi CCTVs for the perps.

>>> I don't use one anyway.
>>
>> Hardly anyone else is that stupid.
>
> Nowhere near as stupid as the zombies who can't go two minutes without
> checking their phone.

Hardly anyone is that stupid. Most just have one and
use it when they need to or when an incoming call
or text shows up etc. Much more convenient to have
it work where ever you are instead of just at home.

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 by: Computer Nerd Kev - Tue, 6 Apr 2021 22:44 UTC

In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
> "keithr0" <user@account.invalid> wrote in message
> news:id2f5dFiqtsU2@mid.individual.net...
>> On 6/04/2021 11:02 am, Rod Speed wrote:
>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
>>> news:s4g16d$1oen$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>>> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>> news:s4e4up$996$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>>>>> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:s4dqva$11gc$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>>>>>>> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:s4dbss$1ujb$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>>>>>>>>> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>> news:s4b8q7$16ev$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>>>>>>>>>>> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you do want to do some untracable browsing, free WiFi is a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> good
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> option, accessed from inside a car parked out the back of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> building where it is offered. You want to be using a WiFi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interface
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> where the MAC address can be changed each time, otherwise it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> potentially be a give-away. Boot from a live Linux distro or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something like Tiny Core Linux which always stores user-data
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> RAM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and can be easily booted to a clean default state.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trouble with that approach is that its trivial
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to work out that it was your car parked there.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> You want to do it in a small country town where there aren't
>>>>>>>>>>>> traffic cameras following you I suppose. Easy for me.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Its not just traffic cameras, our country town main
>>>>>>>>>>> street has full CCTV coverage down to the cop shop.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure what sort of state surveillance
>>>>>>>>>> has been set up where you are,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It isnt state surveillance, it was done by the council after a
>>>>>>>>> number of physical assaults in the main street at night etc.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> but in the country towns I know that CCTV
>>>>>>>>>> would be independent for each store,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We have that here too.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> so the cops would have to ask the corresponding
>>>>>>>>>> store owner to view their footage.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The main street footage all goes to the copshop live.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'd call that state surveillance, but it's academic. Point is that
>>>>>>>> many towns don't have anything like that.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If they know which store captured you on CCTV, then they already
>>>>>>>>>> know you were there anyway, so the battle is already lost.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That?s not the case if they have worked out that someone
>>>>>>>>> had used the library free wifi to do something nefarious
>>>>>>>>> and were wanting to work out who it was who did that.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The only way the system you're describing would work
>>>>>>>>>> is if there was a Chinese-style police CCTV network
>>>>>>>>>> automatically tracking your location wherever you go.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The current system would be able to work out who did it fine.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nonsense,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nope.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm sure people search things like "how to commit murder"
>>>>>>>> all the time. They're not going to track down the location
>>>>>>>> and then identity of every single searcher in the hope that
>>>>>>>> one will turn out to be their suspect.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Its done the other way. Someone ends up dead, they
>>>>>>> consider who might well be the one who did it, usually
>>>>>>> starting with those associated with the one who ended
>>>>>>> up dead. They then see who has a record of doing a
>>>>>>> search which looks at the mo that was used etc.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, exactly, and if the murderer did their research
>>>>>> at a free WiFi hotspot in the way I described, then
>>>>>> there wouldn't be a record.
>>>>>
>>>>> Corse there is a record with that free wifi.
>>>>
>>>> Not of who'se using it (besides MAC address, which I suggested they
>>>> change beforehand).
>>>>
>>>>>> Except if the cops intensely investigated every single
>>>>>> IP address from which any relevant browsing took
>>>>>> place within the last few days/weeks/months (bound
>>>>>> to be many different people), which is silly.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, but when they have decided that one or two
>>>>> individuals are the likely perp and have no evidence
>>>>> that it was them that they can present in a trial, they
>>>>> are free to track where their mobiles have been and
>>>>> then check the records at the various free wifis and
>>>>> see if they can find any evidence of them searching
>>>>> there.
>>>
>>>> Yes, so turn off your mobile.
>>>
>>> Makes it even easier for them to check because
>>> they only have to check the time when its off.
>>
>> Then just leave it at home - simples.
>
> Still trivial to check the free wifi CCTVs for the perps.

Yes maybe it's possible for the cops to catalogue the IP addresses
of all the free wifi hotspots in the country, then launch into
action whenever there's a murder, scouring the metadata for any
murder-related searches, and then scrambling cops statewide to
collect CCTV footage from each location. All in the hope that a
CCTV camera happened to be pointing at the murder's car, preferably
from an angle where the number-plate is visible, and still only
really 100% if the car's driver can be seen inside.

Somehow that doesn't seem "trivial" to me though. Especially when
the searching was done from a small country town where good CCTV
footage is unlikely to be available anyway.

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 by: Rod Speed - Tue, 6 Apr 2021 23:25 UTC

"Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
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> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>> "keithr0" <user@account.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:id2f5dFiqtsU2@mid.individual.net...
>>> On 6/04/2021 11:02 am, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
>>>> news:s4g16d$1oen$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>>>> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:s4e4up$996$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>>>>>> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:s4dqva$11gc$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>>>>>>>> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> news:s4dbss$1ujb$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>>>>>>>>>> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>> news:s4b8q7$16ev$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you do want to do some untracable browsing, free WiFi is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> good
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> option, accessed from inside a car parked out the back of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> building where it is offered. You want to be using a WiFi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interface
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> where the MAC address can be changed each time, otherwise it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> potentially be a give-away. Boot from a live Linux distro or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something like Tiny Core Linux which always stores user-data
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> RAM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and can be easily booted to a clean default state.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trouble with that approach is that its trivial
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to work out that it was your car parked there.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You want to do it in a small country town where there aren't
>>>>>>>>>>>>> traffic cameras following you I suppose. Easy for me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Its not just traffic cameras, our country town main
>>>>>>>>>>>> street has full CCTV coverage down to the cop shop.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure what sort of state surveillance
>>>>>>>>>>> has been set up where you are,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It isnt state surveillance, it was done by the council after a
>>>>>>>>>> number of physical assaults in the main street at night etc.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> but in the country towns I know that CCTV
>>>>>>>>>>> would be independent for each store,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> We have that here too.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> so the cops would have to ask the corresponding
>>>>>>>>>>> store owner to view their footage.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The main street footage all goes to the copshop live.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'd call that state surveillance, but it's academic. Point is that
>>>>>>>>> many towns don't have anything like that.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> If they know which store captured you on CCTV, then they already
>>>>>>>>>>> know you were there anyway, so the battle is already lost.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That?s not the case if they have worked out that someone
>>>>>>>>>> had used the library free wifi to do something nefarious
>>>>>>>>>> and were wanting to work out who it was who did that.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The only way the system you're describing would work
>>>>>>>>>>> is if there was a Chinese-style police CCTV network
>>>>>>>>>>> automatically tracking your location wherever you go.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The current system would be able to work out who did it fine.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Nonsense,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nope.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm sure people search things like "how to commit murder"
>>>>>>>>> all the time. They're not going to track down the location
>>>>>>>>> and then identity of every single searcher in the hope that
>>>>>>>>> one will turn out to be their suspect.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Its done the other way. Someone ends up dead, they
>>>>>>>> consider who might well be the one who did it, usually
>>>>>>>> starting with those associated with the one who ended
>>>>>>>> up dead. They then see who has a record of doing a
>>>>>>>> search which looks at the mo that was used etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes, exactly, and if the murderer did their research
>>>>>>> at a free WiFi hotspot in the way I described, then
>>>>>>> there wouldn't be a record.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Corse there is a record with that free wifi.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not of who'se using it (besides MAC address, which I suggested they
>>>>> change beforehand).
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Except if the cops intensely investigated every single
>>>>>>> IP address from which any relevant browsing took
>>>>>>> place within the last few days/weeks/months (bound
>>>>>>> to be many different people), which is silly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, but when they have decided that one or two
>>>>>> individuals are the likely perp and have no evidence
>>>>>> that it was them that they can present in a trial, they
>>>>>> are free to track where their mobiles have been and
>>>>>> then check the records at the various free wifis and
>>>>>> see if they can find any evidence of them searching
>>>>>> there.
>>>>
>>>>> Yes, so turn off your mobile.
>>>>
>>>> Makes it even easier for them to check because
>>>> they only have to check the time when its off.
>>>
>>> Then just leave it at home - simples.
>>
>> Still trivial to check the free wifi CCTVs for the perps.

> Yes maybe it's possible for the cops to catalogue the
> IP addresses of all the free wifi hotspots in the country,


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 by: Computer Nerd Kev - Wed, 7 Apr 2021 08:08 UTC

In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
> news:s4io8p$ndr$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> "keithr0" <user@account.invalid> wrote in message
>>> news:id2f5dFiqtsU2@mid.individual.net...
>>>> On 6/04/2021 11:02 am, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>> news:s4g16d$1oen$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>>>>> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:s4e4up$996$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>>>>>>> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:s4dqva$11gc$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>>>>>>>>> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>> news:s4dbss$1ujb$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>>>>>>>>>>> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:s4b8q7$16ev$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you do want to do some untracable browsing, free WiFi is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> good
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> option, accessed from inside a car parked out the back of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> building where it is offered. You want to be using a WiFi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interface
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> where the MAC address can be changed each time, otherwise it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> potentially be a give-away. Boot from a live Linux distro or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something like Tiny Core Linux which always stores user-data
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> RAM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and can be easily booted to a clean default state.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trouble with that approach is that its trivial
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to work out that it was your car parked there.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You want to do it in a small country town where there aren't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> traffic cameras following you I suppose. Easy for me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Its not just traffic cameras, our country town main
>>>>>>>>>>>>> street has full CCTV coverage down to the cop shop.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure what sort of state surveillance
>>>>>>>>>>>> has been set up where you are,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It isnt state surveillance, it was done by the council after a
>>>>>>>>>>> number of physical assaults in the main street at night etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> but in the country towns I know that CCTV
>>>>>>>>>>>> would be independent for each store,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> We have that here too.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> so the cops would have to ask the corresponding
>>>>>>>>>>>> store owner to view their footage.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The main street footage all goes to the copshop live.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'd call that state surveillance, but it's academic. Point is that
>>>>>>>>>> many towns don't have anything like that.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> If they know which store captured you on CCTV, then they already
>>>>>>>>>>>> know you were there anyway, so the battle is already lost.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> That?s not the case if they have worked out that someone
>>>>>>>>>>> had used the library free wifi to do something nefarious
>>>>>>>>>>> and were wanting to work out who it was who did that.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The only way the system you're describing would work
>>>>>>>>>>>> is if there was a Chinese-style police CCTV network
>>>>>>>>>>>> automatically tracking your location wherever you go.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The current system would be able to work out who did it fine.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Nonsense,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Nope.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm sure people search things like "how to commit murder"
>>>>>>>>>> all the time. They're not going to track down the location
>>>>>>>>>> and then identity of every single searcher in the hope that
>>>>>>>>>> one will turn out to be their suspect.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Its done the other way. Someone ends up dead, they
>>>>>>>>> consider who might well be the one who did it, usually
>>>>>>>>> starting with those associated with the one who ended
>>>>>>>>> up dead. They then see who has a record of doing a
>>>>>>>>> search which looks at the mo that was used etc.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes, exactly, and if the murderer did their research
>>>>>>>> at a free WiFi hotspot in the way I described, then
>>>>>>>> there wouldn't be a record.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Corse there is a record with that free wifi.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not of who'se using it (besides MAC address, which I suggested they
>>>>>> change beforehand).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Except if the cops intensely investigated every single
>>>>>>>> IP address from which any relevant browsing took
>>>>>>>> place within the last few days/weeks/months (bound
>>>>>>>> to be many different people), which is silly.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes, but when they have decided that one or two
>>>>>>> individuals are the likely perp and have no evidence
>>>>>>> that it was them that they can present in a trial, they
>>>>>>> are free to track where their mobiles have been and
>>>>>>> then check the records at the various free wifis and
>>>>>>> see if they can find any evidence of them searching
>>>>>>> there.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, so turn off your mobile.
>>>>>
>>>>> Makes it even easier for them to check because
>>>>> they only have to check the time when its off.
>>>>
>>>> Then just leave it at home - simples.
>>>
>>> Still trivial to check the free wifi CCTVs for the perps.
>
>> Yes maybe it's possible for the cops to catalogue the
>> IP addresses of all the free wifi hotspots in the country,
>
> Doesn?t have to be the country with most perps.


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 by: Rod Speed - Wed, 7 Apr 2021 09:32 UTC

"Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
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> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:s4io8p$ndr$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> "keithr0" <user@account.invalid> wrote in message
>>>> news:id2f5dFiqtsU2@mid.individual.net...
>>>>> On 6/04/2021 11:02 am, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:s4g16d$1oen$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>>>>>> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:s4e4up$996$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>>>>>>>> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> news:s4dqva$11gc$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>>>>>>>>>> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>> news:s4dbss$1ujb$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:s4b8q7$16ev$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you do want to do some untracable browsing, free WiFi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> good
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> option, accessed from inside a car parked out the back of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> building where it is offered. You want to be using a WiFi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interface
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> where the MAC address can be changed each time, otherwise
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> potentially be a give-away. Boot from a live Linux distro
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something like Tiny Core Linux which always stores
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> user-data
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> RAM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and can be easily booted to a clean default state.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trouble with that approach is that its trivial
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to work out that it was your car parked there.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You want to do it in a small country town where there aren't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> traffic cameras following you I suppose. Easy for me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Its not just traffic cameras, our country town main
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> street has full CCTV coverage down to the cop shop.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure what sort of state surveillance
>>>>>>>>>>>>> has been set up where you are,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> It isnt state surveillance, it was done by the council after a
>>>>>>>>>>>> number of physical assaults in the main street at night etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> but in the country towns I know that CCTV
>>>>>>>>>>>>> would be independent for each store,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> We have that here too.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> so the cops would have to ask the corresponding
>>>>>>>>>>>>> store owner to view their footage.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The main street footage all goes to the copshop live.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'd call that state surveillance, but it's academic. Point is
>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>> many towns don't have anything like that.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> If they know which store captured you on CCTV, then they
>>>>>>>>>>>>> already
>>>>>>>>>>>>> know you were there anyway, so the battle is already lost.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> That?s not the case if they have worked out that someone
>>>>>>>>>>>> had used the library free wifi to do something nefarious
>>>>>>>>>>>> and were wanting to work out who it was who did that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The only way the system you're describing would work
>>>>>>>>>>>>> is if there was a Chinese-style police CCTV network
>>>>>>>>>>>>> automatically tracking your location wherever you go.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The current system would be able to work out who did it fine.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Nonsense,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Nope.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sure people search things like "how to commit murder"
>>>>>>>>>>> all the time. They're not going to track down the location
>>>>>>>>>>> and then identity of every single searcher in the hope that
>>>>>>>>>>> one will turn out to be their suspect.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Its done the other way. Someone ends up dead, they
>>>>>>>>>> consider who might well be the one who did it, usually
>>>>>>>>>> starting with those associated with the one who ended
>>>>>>>>>> up dead. They then see who has a record of doing a
>>>>>>>>>> search which looks at the mo that was used etc.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yes, exactly, and if the murderer did their research
>>>>>>>>> at a free WiFi hotspot in the way I described, then
>>>>>>>>> there wouldn't be a record.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Corse there is a record with that free wifi.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not of who'se using it (besides MAC address, which I suggested they
>>>>>>> change beforehand).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Except if the cops intensely investigated every single
>>>>>>>>> IP address from which any relevant browsing took
>>>>>>>>> place within the last few days/weeks/months (bound
>>>>>>>>> to be many different people), which is silly.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes, but when they have decided that one or two
>>>>>>>> individuals are the likely perp and have no evidence
>>>>>>>> that it was them that they can present in a trial, they
>>>>>>>> are free to track where their mobiles have been and
>>>>>>>> then check the records at the various free wifis and
>>>>>>>> see if they can find any evidence of them searching
>>>>>>>> there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes, so turn off your mobile.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Makes it even easier for them to check because
>>>>>> they only have to check the time when its off.
>>>>>
>>>>> Then just leave it at home - simples.
>>>>
>>>> Still trivial to check the free wifi CCTVs for the perps.
>>
>>> Yes maybe it's possible for the cops to catalogue the
>>> IP addresses of all the free wifi hotspots in the country,
>>
>> Doesn?t have to be the country with most perps.


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 by: Computer Nerd Kev - Wed, 7 Apr 2021 22:14 UTC

In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
> news:s4jpai$1vj3$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
>>> news:s4io8p$ndr$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>>> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> "keithr0" <user@account.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>> news:id2f5dFiqtsU2@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>> On 6/04/2021 11:02 am, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:s4g16d$1oen$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>>>>>>> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:s4e4up$996$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>>>>>>>>> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>> news:s4dqva$11gc$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>>>>>>>>>>> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:s4dbss$1ujb$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:s4b8q7$16ev$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you do want to do some untracable browsing, free WiFi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> good
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> option, accessed from inside a car parked out the back of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> building where it is offered. You want to be using a WiFi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interface
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> where the MAC address can be changed each time, otherwise
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> potentially be a give-away. Boot from a live Linux distro
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something like Tiny Core Linux which always stores
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> user-data
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> RAM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and can be easily booted to a clean default state.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trouble with that approach is that its trivial
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to work out that it was your car parked there.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You want to do it in a small country town where there aren't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> traffic cameras following you I suppose. Easy for me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Its not just traffic cameras, our country town main
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> street has full CCTV coverage down to the cop shop.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure what sort of state surveillance
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has been set up where you are,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It isnt state surveillance, it was done by the council after a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> number of physical assaults in the main street at night etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but in the country towns I know that CCTV
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would be independent for each store,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> We have that here too.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so the cops would have to ask the corresponding
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> store owner to view their footage.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The main street footage all goes to the copshop live.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd call that state surveillance, but it's academic. Point is
>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>> many towns don't have anything like that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If they know which store captured you on CCTV, then they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> already
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know you were there anyway, so the battle is already lost.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> That?s not the case if they have worked out that someone
>>>>>>>>>>>>> had used the library free wifi to do something nefarious
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and were wanting to work out who it was who did that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The only way the system you're describing would work
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is if there was a Chinese-style police CCTV network
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> automatically tracking your location wherever you go.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The current system would be able to work out who did it fine.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Nonsense,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Nope.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sure people search things like "how to commit murder"
>>>>>>>>>>>> all the time. They're not going to track down the location
>>>>>>>>>>>> and then identity of every single searcher in the hope that
>>>>>>>>>>>> one will turn out to be their suspect.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Its done the other way. Someone ends up dead, they
>>>>>>>>>>> consider who might well be the one who did it, usually
>>>>>>>>>>> starting with those associated with the one who ended
>>>>>>>>>>> up dead. They then see who has a record of doing a
>>>>>>>>>>> search which looks at the mo that was used etc.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yes, exactly, and if the murderer did their research
>>>>>>>>>> at a free WiFi hotspot in the way I described, then
>>>>>>>>>> there wouldn't be a record.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Corse there is a record with that free wifi.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Not of who'se using it (besides MAC address, which I suggested they
>>>>>>>> change beforehand).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Except if the cops intensely investigated every single
>>>>>>>>>> IP address from which any relevant browsing took
>>>>>>>>>> place within the last few days/weeks/months (bound
>>>>>>>>>> to be many different people), which is silly.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yes, but when they have decided that one or two
>>>>>>>>> individuals are the likely perp and have no evidence
>>>>>>>>> that it was them that they can present in a trial, they
>>>>>>>>> are free to track where their mobiles have been and
>>>>>>>>> then check the records at the various free wifis and
>>>>>>>>> see if they can find any evidence of them searching
>>>>>>>>> there.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes, so turn off your mobile.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Makes it even easier for them to check because
>>>>>>> they only have to check the time when its off.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Then just leave it at home - simples.
>>>>>
>>>>> Still trivial to check the free wifi CCTVs for the perps.
>>>
>>>> Yes maybe it's possible for the cops to catalogue the
>>>> IP addresses of all the free wifi hotspots in the country,
>>>
>>> Doesn?t have to be the country with most perps.
>
>> Nonsense, people can travel all over the place.
>
> Yes they can, but few bother to do that when plotting a murder.
>
>> I used to regularly use the free WiFi while visiting a town over 100Km
>> away,
>
> But few bother to do that just to research a murder.


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On Wed, 07 Apr 2021 22:14:21 +0000, Computer Nerd Kev scribed:

> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>> Pity about the number of those in the country, stupid.
>
> ISP metadata. Country internet connections make metadata just like the
> city ones do. It's impractical whether the cops use that to narrow down
> their search or not though anyway.

"Country" ISPs are almost non-existent. AFAIK, all ISPs route their
customers through the same central point for surveillance purposes as
required by law. Those big brand surveillance boxes re very expensive.

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 by: Rod Speed - Thu, 8 Apr 2021 00:38 UTC

"Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
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> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:s4jpai$1vj3$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
>>>> news:s4io8p$ndr$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>>>> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> "keithr0" <user@account.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:id2f5dFiqtsU2@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>> On 6/04/2021 11:02 am, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:s4g16d$1oen$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>>>>>>>> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> news:s4e4up$996$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>>>>>>>>>> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>> news:s4dqva$11gc$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:s4dbss$1ujb$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:s4b8q7$16ev$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you do want to do some untracable browsing, free WiFi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> good
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> option, accessed from inside a car parked out the back
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> building where it is offered. You want to be using a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WiFi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interface
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> where the MAC address can be changed each time,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> otherwise
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> potentially be a give-away. Boot from a live Linux
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> distro
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something like Tiny Core Linux which always stores
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> user-data
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> RAM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and can be easily booted to a clean default state.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trouble with that approach is that its trivial
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to work out that it was your car parked there.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You want to do it in a small country town where there
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aren't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> traffic cameras following you I suppose. Easy for me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Its not just traffic cameras, our country town main
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> street has full CCTV coverage down to the cop shop.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure what sort of state surveillance
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has been set up where you are,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It isnt state surveillance, it was done by the council after
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> number of physical assaults in the main street at night etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but in the country towns I know that CCTV
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would be independent for each store,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We have that here too.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so the cops would have to ask the corresponding
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> store owner to view their footage.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The main street footage all goes to the copshop live.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd call that state surveillance, but it's academic. Point is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> many towns don't have anything like that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If they know which store captured you on CCTV, then they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> already
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know you were there anyway, so the battle is already lost.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That?s not the case if they have worked out that someone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> had used the library free wifi to do something nefarious
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and were wanting to work out who it was who did that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The only way the system you're describing would work
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is if there was a Chinese-style police CCTV network
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> automatically tracking your location wherever you go.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The current system would be able to work out who did it fine.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nonsense,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Nope.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sure people search things like "how to commit murder"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> all the time. They're not going to track down the location
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and then identity of every single searcher in the hope that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> one will turn out to be their suspect.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Its done the other way. Someone ends up dead, they
>>>>>>>>>>>> consider who might well be the one who did it, usually
>>>>>>>>>>>> starting with those associated with the one who ended
>>>>>>>>>>>> up dead. They then see who has a record of doing a
>>>>>>>>>>>> search which looks at the mo that was used etc.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, exactly, and if the murderer did their research
>>>>>>>>>>> at a free WiFi hotspot in the way I described, then
>>>>>>>>>>> there wouldn't be a record.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Corse there is a record with that free wifi.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Not of who'se using it (besides MAC address, which I suggested
>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>> change beforehand).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Except if the cops intensely investigated every single
>>>>>>>>>>> IP address from which any relevant browsing took
>>>>>>>>>>> place within the last few days/weeks/months (bound
>>>>>>>>>>> to be many different people), which is silly.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yes, but when they have decided that one or two
>>>>>>>>>> individuals are the likely perp and have no evidence
>>>>>>>>>> that it was them that they can present in a trial, they
>>>>>>>>>> are free to track where their mobiles have been and
>>>>>>>>>> then check the records at the various free wifis and
>>>>>>>>>> see if they can find any evidence of them searching
>>>>>>>>>> there.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yes, so turn off your mobile.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Makes it even easier for them to check because
>>>>>>>> they only have to check the time when its off.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Then just leave it at home - simples.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Still trivial to check the free wifi CCTVs for the perps.
>>>>
>>>>> Yes maybe it's possible for the cops to catalogue the
>>>>> IP addresses of all the free wifi hotspots in the country,
>>>>
>>>> Doesn?t have to be the country with most perps.
>>
>>> Nonsense, people can travel all over the place.
>>
>> Yes they can, but few bother to do that when plotting a murder.
>>
>>> I used to regularly use the free WiFi while visiting a town over 100Km
>>> away,
>>
>> But few bother to do that just to research a murder.


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 by: Computer Nerd Kev - Thu, 8 Apr 2021 08:05 UTC

In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
> news:s4lars$p47$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
>>> news:s4jpai$1vj3$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>>> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>> news:s4io8p$ndr$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>>>>> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> "keithr0" <user@account.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:id2f5dFiqtsU2@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>>> On 6/04/2021 11:02 am, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:s4g16d$1oen$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>>>>>>>>> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>> news:s4e4up$996$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>>>>>>>>>>> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:s4dqva$11gc$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:s4dbss$1ujb$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:s4b8q7$16ev$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you do want to do some untracable browsing, free WiFi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> good
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> option, accessed from inside a car parked out the back
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> building where it is offered. You want to be using a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WiFi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interface
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> where the MAC address can be changed each time,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> otherwise
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> potentially be a give-away. Boot from a live Linux
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> distro
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something like Tiny Core Linux which always stores
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> user-data
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> RAM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and can be easily booted to a clean default state.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trouble with that approach is that its trivial
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to work out that it was your car parked there.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You want to do it in a small country town where there
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aren't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> traffic cameras following you I suppose. Easy for me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Its not just traffic cameras, our country town main
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> street has full CCTV coverage down to the cop shop.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure what sort of state surveillance
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has been set up where you are,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It isnt state surveillance, it was done by the council after
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> number of physical assaults in the main street at night etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but in the country towns I know that CCTV
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would be independent for each store,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We have that here too.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so the cops would have to ask the corresponding
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> store owner to view their footage.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The main street footage all goes to the copshop live.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd call that state surveillance, but it's academic. Point is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many towns don't have anything like that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If they know which store captured you on CCTV, then they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> already
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know you were there anyway, so the battle is already lost.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That?s not the case if they have worked out that someone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> had used the library free wifi to do something nefarious
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and were wanting to work out who it was who did that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The only way the system you're describing would work
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is if there was a Chinese-style police CCTV network
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> automatically tracking your location wherever you go.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The current system would be able to work out who did it fine.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nonsense,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nope.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sure people search things like "how to commit murder"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all the time. They're not going to track down the location
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and then identity of every single searcher in the hope that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one will turn out to be their suspect.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Its done the other way. Someone ends up dead, they
>>>>>>>>>>>>> consider who might well be the one who did it, usually
>>>>>>>>>>>>> starting with those associated with the one who ended
>>>>>>>>>>>>> up dead. They then see who has a record of doing a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> search which looks at the mo that was used etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, exactly, and if the murderer did their research
>>>>>>>>>>>> at a free WiFi hotspot in the way I described, then
>>>>>>>>>>>> there wouldn't be a record.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Corse there is a record with that free wifi.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Not of who'se using it (besides MAC address, which I suggested
>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>> change beforehand).
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Except if the cops intensely investigated every single
>>>>>>>>>>>> IP address from which any relevant browsing took
>>>>>>>>>>>> place within the last few days/weeks/months (bound
>>>>>>>>>>>> to be many different people), which is silly.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, but when they have decided that one or two
>>>>>>>>>>> individuals are the likely perp and have no evidence
>>>>>>>>>>> that it was them that they can present in a trial, they
>>>>>>>>>>> are free to track where their mobiles have been and
>>>>>>>>>>> then check the records at the various free wifis and
>>>>>>>>>>> see if they can find any evidence of them searching
>>>>>>>>>>> there.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yes, so turn off your mobile.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Makes it even easier for them to check because
>>>>>>>>> they only have to check the time when its off.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Then just leave it at home - simples.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Still trivial to check the free wifi CCTVs for the perps.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes maybe it's possible for the cops to catalogue the
>>>>>> IP addresses of all the free wifi hotspots in the country,
>>>>>
>>>>> Doesn?t have to be the country with most perps.
>>>
>>>> Nonsense, people can travel all over the place.
>>>
>>> Yes they can, but few bother to do that when plotting a murder.
>>>
>>>> I used to regularly use the free WiFi while visiting a town over 100Km
>>>> away,
>>>
>>> But few bother to do that just to research a murder.
>
>> Oh right we're just talking about lazy murderers.
>
> Nope, the vast bulk of murderers who are
> too stupid to do their research right. If they
> had half a clue they would use a vpn.
>
>> Well they'd just do the searching at home on
>> the couch like the woman this thread is about
>> probably did, so there's no helping them.
>
> Your approach wont help the others either.
>
>>>>>> then launch into action whenever there's a murder,
>>>>>> scouring the metadata for any murder-related
>>>>>> searches, and then scrambling cops statewide
>>>>>> to collect CCTV footage from each location.
>>>>>
>>>>> Like I said previously, you have that backwards.
>>>>>
>>>>> What they actually do is decide that a couple
>>>>> of individuals are likely candidates for a particular
>>>>> murder and then check which free wifis have
>>>>> CCTV of those individuals using those free wifis
>>>>> and then check the browsing history on those
>>>>> and see if that matches the time those individuals
>>>>> were there.
>>>
>>>> That's even harder!
>>>
>>> Bullshit it is.
>>>
>>>> With your way they've got to check every single free WiFi
>>>> site's CCTV in case one of their suspects appears on it.
>>>
>>> Trivial to do with the small country towns you keep mindlessly
>>> rabbiting on about which most perps don't actually bother with.
>
>> Round and round in circles we go,
>
> Yep, you never did have a fucking clue.
>
>> what I have told you you already know.
>
> And everyone knows you don?t have a clue.
>
>> The cops don't know where they are if they take the precautions
>
> That?s bullshit too with so much CCTV around now.


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>> That?s bullshit too with so much CCTV around now.
>
> You've just said that it's easy for the cops to know which CCTV
> footage to check without knowing where a suspect is, because
> there's so much CCTV to check and that will tell them where the
> suspect is. You've clearly given up on making any sense.

you've just figured that out?

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 by: Computer Nerd Kev - Thu, 8 Apr 2021 08:15 UTC

In aus.computers News 2021 <news21@woa.com.au> wrote:
> On Wed, 07 Apr 2021 22:14:21 +0000, Computer Nerd Kev scribed:
>> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
>>> With my way they at least narrowed down the number
>>> of sites to check by looking at the metadata first
>
>>> Pity about the number of those in the country, stupid.
>>
>> ISP metadata. Country internet connections make metadata just like the
>> city ones do. It's impractical whether the cops use that to narrow down
>> their search or not though anyway.
>
> "Country" ISPs are almost non-existent. AFAIK, all ISPs route their
> customers through the same central point for surveillance purposes as
> required by law. Those big brand surveillance boxes re very expensive.

Yes, that's what I'm saying - country internet connections go to
the same city ISPs as the city ones. So there's metadata there for
everyone. No idea what Rod's on about, he's given up making any
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 by: Rod Speed - Thu, 8 Apr 2021 09:42 UTC

"Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
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> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:s4lars$p47$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
>>>> news:s4jpai$1vj3$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>>>> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:s4io8p$ndr$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>>>>>> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> "keithr0" <user@account.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:id2f5dFiqtsU2@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>>>> On 6/04/2021 11:02 am, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> news:s4g16d$1oen$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>>>>>>>>>> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>> news:s4e4up$996$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:s4dqva$11gc$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:s4dbss$1ujb$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:s4b8q7$16ev$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you do want to do some untracable browsing, free
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WiFi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> good
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> option, accessed from inside a car parked out the back
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> building where it is offered. You want to be using a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WiFi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interface
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> where the MAC address can be changed each time,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> otherwise
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> potentially be a give-away. Boot from a live Linux
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> distro
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something like Tiny Core Linux which always stores
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> user-data
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> RAM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and can be easily booted to a clean default state.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trouble with that approach is that its trivial
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to work out that it was your car parked there.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You want to do it in a small country town where there
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aren't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> traffic cameras following you I suppose. Easy for me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Its not just traffic cameras, our country town main
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> street has full CCTV coverage down to the cop shop.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure what sort of state surveillance
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has been set up where you are,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It isnt state surveillance, it was done by the council
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> number of physical assaults in the main street at night
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but in the country towns I know that CCTV
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would be independent for each store,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We have that here too.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so the cops would have to ask the corresponding
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> store owner to view their footage.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The main street footage all goes to the copshop live.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd call that state surveillance, but it's academic. Point
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many towns don't have anything like that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If they know which store captured you on CCTV, then they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> already
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know you were there anyway, so the battle is already lost.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That?s not the case if they have worked out that someone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> had used the library free wifi to do something nefarious
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and were wanting to work out who it was who did that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The only way the system you're describing would work
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is if there was a Chinese-style police CCTV network
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> automatically tracking your location wherever you go.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The current system would be able to work out who did it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fine.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nonsense,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nope.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sure people search things like "how to commit murder"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all the time. They're not going to track down the location
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and then identity of every single searcher in the hope that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one will turn out to be their suspect.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Its done the other way. Someone ends up dead, they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consider who might well be the one who did it, usually
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> starting with those associated with the one who ended
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> up dead. They then see who has a record of doing a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> search which looks at the mo that was used etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, exactly, and if the murderer did their research
>>>>>>>>>>>>> at a free WiFi hotspot in the way I described, then
>>>>>>>>>>>>> there wouldn't be a record.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Corse there is a record with that free wifi.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Not of who'se using it (besides MAC address, which I suggested
>>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>> change beforehand).
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Except if the cops intensely investigated every single
>>>>>>>>>>>>> IP address from which any relevant browsing took
>>>>>>>>>>>>> place within the last few days/weeks/months (bound
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be many different people), which is silly.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, but when they have decided that one or two
>>>>>>>>>>>> individuals are the likely perp and have no evidence
>>>>>>>>>>>> that it was them that they can present in a trial, they
>>>>>>>>>>>> are free to track where their mobiles have been and
>>>>>>>>>>>> then check the records at the various free wifis and
>>>>>>>>>>>> see if they can find any evidence of them searching
>>>>>>>>>>>> there.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, so turn off your mobile.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Makes it even easier for them to check because
>>>>>>>>>> they only have to check the time when its off.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Then just leave it at home - simples.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Still trivial to check the free wifi CCTVs for the perps.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes maybe it's possible for the cops to catalogue the
>>>>>>> IP addresses of all the free wifi hotspots in the country,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Doesn?t have to be the country with most perps.
>>>>
>>>>> Nonsense, people can travel all over the place.
>>>>
>>>> Yes they can, but few bother to do that when plotting a murder.
>>>>
>>>>> I used to regularly use the free WiFi while visiting a town over 100Km
>>>>> away,
>>>>
>>>> But few bother to do that just to research a murder.
>>
>>> Oh right we're just talking about lazy murderers.
>>
>> Nope, the vast bulk of murderers who are
>> too stupid to do their research right. If they
>> had half a clue they would use a vpn.
>>
>>> Well they'd just do the searching at home on
>>> the couch like the woman this thread is about
>>> probably did, so there's no helping them.
>>
>> Your approach wont help the others either.
>>
>>>>>>> then launch into action whenever there's a murder,
>>>>>>> scouring the metadata for any murder-related
>>>>>>> searches, and then scrambling cops statewide
>>>>>>> to collect CCTV footage from each location.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Like I said previously, you have that backwards.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What they actually do is decide that a couple
>>>>>> of individuals are likely candidates for a particular
>>>>>> murder and then check which free wifis have
>>>>>> CCTV of those individuals using those free wifis
>>>>>> and then check the browsing history on those
>>>>>> and see if that matches the time those individuals
>>>>>> were there.
>>>>
>>>>> That's even harder!
>>>>
>>>> Bullshit it is.
>>>>
>>>>> With your way they've got to check every single free WiFi
>>>>> site's CCTV in case one of their suspects appears on it.
>>>>
>>>> Trivial to do with the small country towns you keep mindlessly
>>>> rabbiting on about which most perps don't actually bother with.
>>
>>> Round and round in circles we go,
>>
>> Yep, you never did have a fucking clue.
>>
>>> what I have told you you already know.
>>
>> And everyone knows you don?t have a clue.
>>
>>> The cops don't know where they are if they take the precautions
>>
>> That?s bullshit too with so much CCTV around now.


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 by: Rod Speed - Thu, 8 Apr 2021 09:43 UTC

"Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
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> In aus.computers News 2021 <news21@woa.com.au> wrote:
>> On Wed, 07 Apr 2021 22:14:21 +0000, Computer Nerd Kev scribed:
>>> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
>>>> With my way they at least narrowed down the number
>>>> of sites to check by looking at the metadata first
>>
>>>> Pity about the number of those in the country, stupid.
>>>
>>> ISP metadata. Country internet connections make metadata just like the
>>> city ones do. It's impractical whether the cops use that to narrow down
>>> their search or not though anyway.
>>
>> "Country" ISPs are almost non-existent. AFAIK, all ISPs route their
>> customers through the same central point for surveillance purposes as
>> required by law. Those big brand surveillance boxes re very expensive.
>
> Yes, that's what I'm saying - country internet connections go to
> the same city ISPs as the city ones. So there's metadata there for
> everyone. No idea what Rod's on about, he's given up making any
> sense.

You never could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag.

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 by: News 2021 - Thu, 8 Apr 2021 10:19 UTC

On Thu, 08 Apr 2021 08:15:05 +0000, Computer Nerd Kev scribed:

> In aus.computers News 2021 <news21@woa.com.au> wrote:
>> On Wed, 07 Apr 2021 22:14:21 +0000, Computer Nerd Kev scribed:
>>> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
>>>> With my way they at least narrowed down the number of sites to check
>>>> by looking at the metadata first
>>
>>>> Pity about the number of those in the country, stupid.
>>>
>>> ISP metadata. Country internet connections make metadata just like the
>>> city ones do. It's impractical whether the cops use that to narrow
>>> down their search or not though anyway.
>>
>> "Country" ISPs are almost non-existent. AFAIK, all ISPs route their
>> customers through the same central point for surveillance purposes as
>> required by law. Those big brand surveillance boxes re very expensive.
>
> Yes, that's what I'm saying - country internet connections go to the
> same city ISPs as the city ones. So there's metadata there for everyone.
> No idea what Rod's on about, he's given up making any sense.

I think he gets his drinking water from the irrigation channels around
his place.

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 by: Rod Speed - Fri, 9 Apr 2021 18:06 UTC

"Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
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> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:s4lars$p47$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
>>>> news:s4jpai$1vj3$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>>>> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:s4io8p$ndr$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>>>>>> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> "keithr0" <user@account.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:id2f5dFiqtsU2@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>>>> On 6/04/2021 11:02 am, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> news:s4g16d$1oen$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>>>>>>>>>> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>> news:s4e4up$996$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:s4dqva$11gc$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:s4dbss$1ujb$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:s4b8q7$16ev$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you do want to do some untracable browsing, free
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WiFi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> good
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> option, accessed from inside a car parked out the back
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> building where it is offered. You want to be using a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WiFi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interface
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> where the MAC address can be changed each time,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> otherwise
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> potentially be a give-away. Boot from a live Linux
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> distro
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something like Tiny Core Linux which always stores
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> user-data
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> RAM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and can be easily booted to a clean default state.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trouble with that approach is that its trivial
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to work out that it was your car parked there.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You want to do it in a small country town where there
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aren't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> traffic cameras following you I suppose. Easy for me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Its not just traffic cameras, our country town main
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> street has full CCTV coverage down to the cop shop.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure what sort of state surveillance
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has been set up where you are,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It isnt state surveillance, it was done by the council
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> number of physical assaults in the main street at night
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but in the country towns I know that CCTV
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would be independent for each store,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We have that here too.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so the cops would have to ask the corresponding
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> store owner to view their footage.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The main street footage all goes to the copshop live.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd call that state surveillance, but it's academic. Point
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many towns don't have anything like that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If they know which store captured you on CCTV, then they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> already
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know you were there anyway, so the battle is already lost.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That?s not the case if they have worked out that someone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> had used the library free wifi to do something nefarious
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and were wanting to work out who it was who did that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The only way the system you're describing would work
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is if there was a Chinese-style police CCTV network
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> automatically tracking your location wherever you go.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The current system would be able to work out who did it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fine.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nonsense,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nope.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sure people search things like "how to commit murder"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all the time. They're not going to track down the location
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and then identity of every single searcher in the hope that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one will turn out to be their suspect.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Its done the other way. Someone ends up dead, they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consider who might well be the one who did it, usually
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> starting with those associated with the one who ended
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> up dead. They then see who has a record of doing a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> search which looks at the mo that was used etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, exactly, and if the murderer did their research
>>>>>>>>>>>>> at a free WiFi hotspot in the way I described, then
>>>>>>>>>>>>> there wouldn't be a record.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Corse there is a record with that free wifi.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Not of who'se using it (besides MAC address, which I suggested
>>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>> change beforehand).
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Except if the cops intensely investigated every single
>>>>>>>>>>>>> IP address from which any relevant browsing took
>>>>>>>>>>>>> place within the last few days/weeks/months (bound
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be many different people), which is silly.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, but when they have decided that one or two
>>>>>>>>>>>> individuals are the likely perp and have no evidence
>>>>>>>>>>>> that it was them that they can present in a trial, they
>>>>>>>>>>>> are free to track where their mobiles have been and
>>>>>>>>>>>> then check the records at the various free wifis and
>>>>>>>>>>>> see if they can find any evidence of them searching
>>>>>>>>>>>> there.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, so turn off your mobile.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Makes it even easier for them to check because
>>>>>>>>>> they only have to check the time when its off.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Then just leave it at home - simples.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Still trivial to check the free wifi CCTVs for the perps.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes maybe it's possible for the cops to catalogue the
>>>>>>> IP addresses of all the free wifi hotspots in the country,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Doesn?t have to be the country with most perps.
>>>>
>>>>> Nonsense, people can travel all over the place.
>>>>
>>>> Yes they can, but few bother to do that when plotting a murder.
>>>>
>>>>> I used to regularly use the free WiFi while visiting a town over 100Km
>>>>> away,
>>>>
>>>> But few bother to do that just to research a murder.
>>
>>> Oh right we're just talking about lazy murderers.
>>
>> Nope, the vast bulk of murderers who are
>> too stupid to do their research right. If they
>> had half a clue they would use a vpn.
>>
>>> Well they'd just do the searching at home on
>>> the couch like the woman this thread is about
>>> probably did, so there's no helping them.
>>
>> Your approach wont help the others either.
>>
>>>>>>> then launch into action whenever there's a murder,
>>>>>>> scouring the metadata for any murder-related
>>>>>>> searches, and then scrambling cops statewide
>>>>>>> to collect CCTV footage from each location.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Like I said previously, you have that backwards.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What they actually do is decide that a couple
>>>>>> of individuals are likely candidates for a particular
>>>>>> murder and then check which free wifis have
>>>>>> CCTV of those individuals using those free wifis
>>>>>> and then check the browsing history on those
>>>>>> and see if that matches the time those individuals
>>>>>> were there.
>>>>
>>>>> That's even harder!
>>>>
>>>> Bullshit it is.
>>>>
>>>>> With your way they've got to check every single free WiFi
>>>>> site's CCTV in case one of their suspects appears on it.
>>>>
>>>> Trivial to do with the small country towns you keep mindlessly
>>>> rabbiting on about which most perps don't actually bother with.
>>
>>> Round and round in circles we go,
>>
>> Yep, you never did have a fucking clue.
>>
>>> what I have told you you already know.
>>
>> And everyone knows you don?t have a clue.
>>
>>> The cops don't know where they are if they take the precautions
>>
>> That?s bullshit too with so much CCTV around now.
>
> You've just said that it's easy for the cops to know which CCTV
> footage to check without knowing where a suspect is, because
> there's so much CCTV to check and that will tell them where the
> suspect is. You've clearly given up on making any sense.
>
>>> I've described (mainly not letting the phone
>>> network track them there), so they'd have to
>>> check CCTV in every country town (and big city).
>>
>> Bullshit they do because hardly anyone heads off to the
>> other side of the country or the other side of the world
>> to do their research when they can just use a vpn.


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 by: Computer Nerd Kev - Fri, 9 Apr 2021 23:53 UTC

In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
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>> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
>>> news:s4lars$p47$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>>> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>> news:s4jpai$1vj3$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>>>>> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:s4io8p$ndr$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>>>>>>> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> "keithr0" <user@account.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:id2f5dFiqtsU2@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>>>>> On 6/04/2021 11:02 am, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>> news:s4g16d$1oen$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>>>>>>>>>>> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:s4e4up$996$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:s4dqva$11gc$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:s4dbss$1ujb$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:s4b8q7$16ev$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you do want to do some untracable browsing, free
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WiFi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> good
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> option, accessed from inside a car parked out the back
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> building where it is offered. You want to be using a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WiFi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interface
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> where the MAC address can be changed each time,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> otherwise
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> potentially be a give-away. Boot from a live Linux
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> distro
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something like Tiny Core Linux which always stores
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> user-data
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> RAM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and can be easily booted to a clean default state.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trouble with that approach is that its trivial
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to work out that it was your car parked there.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You want to do it in a small country town where there
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aren't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> traffic cameras following you I suppose. Easy for me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Its not just traffic cameras, our country town main
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> street has full CCTV coverage down to the cop shop.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure what sort of state surveillance
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has been set up where you are,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It isnt state surveillance, it was done by the council
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> number of physical assaults in the main street at night
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but in the country towns I know that CCTV
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would be independent for each store,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We have that here too.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so the cops would have to ask the corresponding
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> store owner to view their footage.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The main street footage all goes to the copshop live.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd call that state surveillance, but it's academic. Point
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many towns don't have anything like that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If they know which store captured you on CCTV, then they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> already
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know you were there anyway, so the battle is already lost.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That?s not the case if they have worked out that someone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> had used the library free wifi to do something nefarious
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and were wanting to work out who it was who did that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The only way the system you're describing would work
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is if there was a Chinese-style police CCTV network
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> automatically tracking your location wherever you go.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The current system would be able to work out who did it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fine.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nonsense,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nope.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sure people search things like "how to commit murder"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all the time. They're not going to track down the location
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and then identity of every single searcher in the hope that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one will turn out to be their suspect.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Its done the other way. Someone ends up dead, they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consider who might well be the one who did it, usually
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> starting with those associated with the one who ended
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> up dead. They then see who has a record of doing a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> search which looks at the mo that was used etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, exactly, and if the murderer did their research
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at a free WiFi hotspot in the way I described, then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there wouldn't be a record.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Corse there is a record with that free wifi.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Not of who'se using it (besides MAC address, which I suggested
>>>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>>> change beforehand).
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Except if the cops intensely investigated every single
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IP address from which any relevant browsing took
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> place within the last few days/weeks/months (bound
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be many different people), which is silly.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, but when they have decided that one or two
>>>>>>>>>>>>> individuals are the likely perp and have no evidence
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that it was them that they can present in a trial, they
>>>>>>>>>>>>> are free to track where their mobiles have been and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> then check the records at the various free wifis and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> see if they can find any evidence of them searching
>>>>>>>>>>>>> there.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, so turn off your mobile.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Makes it even easier for them to check because
>>>>>>>>>>> they only have to check the time when its off.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Then just leave it at home - simples.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Still trivial to check the free wifi CCTVs for the perps.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes maybe it's possible for the cops to catalogue the
>>>>>>>> IP addresses of all the free wifi hotspots in the country,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Doesn?t have to be the country with most perps.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Nonsense, people can travel all over the place.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes they can, but few bother to do that when plotting a murder.
>>>>>
>>>>>> I used to regularly use the free WiFi while visiting a town over 100Km
>>>>>> away,
>>>>>
>>>>> But few bother to do that just to research a murder.
>>>
>>>> Oh right we're just talking about lazy murderers.
>>>
>>> Nope, the vast bulk of murderers who are
>>> too stupid to do their research right. If they
>>> had half a clue they would use a vpn.
>>>
>>>> Well they'd just do the searching at home on
>>>> the couch like the woman this thread is about
>>>> probably did, so there's no helping them.
>>>
>>> Your approach wont help the others either.
>>>
>>>>>>>> then launch into action whenever there's a murder,
>>>>>>>> scouring the metadata for any murder-related
>>>>>>>> searches, and then scrambling cops statewide
>>>>>>>> to collect CCTV footage from each location.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Like I said previously, you have that backwards.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What they actually do is decide that a couple
>>>>>>> of individuals are likely candidates for a particular
>>>>>>> murder and then check which free wifis have
>>>>>>> CCTV of those individuals using those free wifis
>>>>>>> and then check the browsing history on those
>>>>>>> and see if that matches the time those individuals
>>>>>>> were there.
>>>>>
>>>>>> That's even harder!
>>>>>
>>>>> Bullshit it is.
>>>>>
>>>>>> With your way they've got to check every single free WiFi
>>>>>> site's CCTV in case one of their suspects appears on it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Trivial to do with the small country towns you keep mindlessly
>>>>> rabbiting on about which most perps don't actually bother with.
>>>
>>>> Round and round in circles we go,
>>>
>>> Yep, you never did have a fucking clue.
>>>
>>>> what I have told you you already know.
>>>
>>> And everyone knows you don?t have a clue.
>>>
>>>> The cops don't know where they are if they take the precautions
>>>
>>> That?s bullshit too with so much CCTV around now.
>>
>> You've just said that it's easy for the cops to know which CCTV
>> footage to check without knowing where a suspect is, because
>> there's so much CCTV to check and that will tell them where the
>> suspect is. You've clearly given up on making any sense.
>>
>>>> I've described (mainly not letting the phone
>>>> network track them there), so they'd have to
>>>> check CCTV in every country town (and big city).
>>>
>>> Bullshit they do because hardly anyone heads off to the
>>> other side of the country or the other side of the world
>>> to do their research when they can just use a vpn.
>
>> Oh OK, my plan won't work because nobody will use
>> it in the first place. I can't really argue with that.
>
>> However I wouldn't trust the VPN provider as an alternative myself.
>
> But then you are the fool too stupid to use a mobile.
>
> It makes more sense to use a vpn that you know
> doesn't keep logs because they have never been
> forced by a court to reveal what is in the logs
> than to fart around moving halfway around the
> fucking country to research how to murder
> someone and not get caught.
>
> And if they have been forced to provide their
> logs, that has to have been announced in the
> court or it wouldn't be acceptable as evidence
> in the trial of that particular perp.


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 by: Rod Speed - Sat, 10 Apr 2021 01:20 UTC

"Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
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> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:s4mdgt$174f$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
>>>> news:s4lars$p47$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>>>> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:s4jpai$1vj3$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>>>>>> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:s4io8p$ndr$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>>>>>>>> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> "keithr0" <user@account.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> news:id2f5dFiqtsU2@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/04/2021 11:02 am, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>> news:s4g16d$1oen$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:s4e4up$996$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:s4dqva$11gc$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:s4dbss$1ujb$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:s4b8q7$16ev$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you do want to do some untracable browsing, free
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WiFi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> good
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> option, accessed from inside a car parked out the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> back
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> building where it is offered. You want to be using a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WiFi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interface
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> where the MAC address can be changed each time,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> otherwise
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> potentially be a give-away. Boot from a live Linux
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> distro
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something like Tiny Core Linux which always stores
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> user-data
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> RAM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and can be easily booted to a clean default state.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trouble with that approach is that its trivial
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to work out that it was your car parked there.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You want to do it in a small country town where there
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aren't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> traffic cameras following you I suppose. Easy for me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Its not just traffic cameras, our country town main
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> street has full CCTV coverage down to the cop shop.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure what sort of state surveillance
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has been set up where you are,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It isnt state surveillance, it was done by the council
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> number of physical assaults in the main street at night
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but in the country towns I know that CCTV
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would be independent for each store,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We have that here too.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so the cops would have to ask the corresponding
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> store owner to view their footage.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The main street footage all goes to the copshop live.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd call that state surveillance, but it's academic. Point
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many towns don't have anything like that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If they know which store captured you on CCTV, then they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> already
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know you were there anyway, so the battle is already
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lost.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That?s not the case if they have worked out that someone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> had used the library free wifi to do something nefarious
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and were wanting to work out who it was who did that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The only way the system you're describing would work
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is if there was a Chinese-style police CCTV network
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> automatically tracking your location wherever you go.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The current system would be able to work out who did it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fine.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nonsense,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nope.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sure people search things like "how to commit murder"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all the time. They're not going to track down the location
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and then identity of every single searcher in the hope
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one will turn out to be their suspect.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Its done the other way. Someone ends up dead, they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consider who might well be the one who did it, usually
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> starting with those associated with the one who ended
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> up dead. They then see who has a record of doing a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> search which looks at the mo that was used etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, exactly, and if the murderer did their research
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at a free WiFi hotspot in the way I described, then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there wouldn't be a record.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Corse there is a record with that free wifi.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not of who'se using it (besides MAC address, which I suggested
>>>>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>>>> change beforehand).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Except if the cops intensely investigated every single
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IP address from which any relevant browsing took
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> place within the last few days/weeks/months (bound
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be many different people), which is silly.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, but when they have decided that one or two
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> individuals are the likely perp and have no evidence
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that it was them that they can present in a trial, they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are free to track where their mobiles have been and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then check the records at the various free wifis and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> see if they can find any evidence of them searching
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, so turn off your mobile.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Makes it even easier for them to check because
>>>>>>>>>>>> they only have to check the time when its off.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Then just leave it at home - simples.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Still trivial to check the free wifi CCTVs for the perps.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yes maybe it's possible for the cops to catalogue the
>>>>>>>>> IP addresses of all the free wifi hotspots in the country,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Doesn?t have to be the country with most perps.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nonsense, people can travel all over the place.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes they can, but few bother to do that when plotting a murder.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I used to regularly use the free WiFi while visiting a town over
>>>>>>> 100Km
>>>>>>> away,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But few bother to do that just to research a murder.
>>>>
>>>>> Oh right we're just talking about lazy murderers.
>>>>
>>>> Nope, the vast bulk of murderers who are
>>>> too stupid to do their research right. If they
>>>> had half a clue they would use a vpn.
>>>>
>>>>> Well they'd just do the searching at home on
>>>>> the couch like the woman this thread is about
>>>>> probably did, so there's no helping them.
>>>>
>>>> Your approach wont help the others either.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> then launch into action whenever there's a murder,
>>>>>>>>> scouring the metadata for any murder-related
>>>>>>>>> searches, and then scrambling cops statewide
>>>>>>>>> to collect CCTV footage from each location.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Like I said previously, you have that backwards.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What they actually do is decide that a couple
>>>>>>>> of individuals are likely candidates for a particular
>>>>>>>> murder and then check which free wifis have
>>>>>>>> CCTV of those individuals using those free wifis
>>>>>>>> and then check the browsing history on those
>>>>>>>> and see if that matches the time those individuals
>>>>>>>> were there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's even harder!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bullshit it is.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> With your way they've got to check every single free WiFi
>>>>>>> site's CCTV in case one of their suspects appears on it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Trivial to do with the small country towns you keep mindlessly
>>>>>> rabbiting on about which most perps don't actually bother with.
>>>>
>>>>> Round and round in circles we go,
>>>>
>>>> Yep, you never did have a fucking clue.
>>>>
>>>>> what I have told you you already know.
>>>>
>>>> And everyone knows you don?t have a clue.
>>>>
>>>>> The cops don't know where they are if they take the precautions
>>>>
>>>> That?s bullshit too with so much CCTV around now.
>>>
>>> You've just said that it's easy for the cops to know which CCTV
>>> footage to check without knowing where a suspect is, because
>>> there's so much CCTV to check and that will tell them where the
>>> suspect is. You've clearly given up on making any sense.
>>>
>>>>> I've described (mainly not letting the phone
>>>>> network track them there), so they'd have to
>>>>> check CCTV in every country town (and big city).
>>>>
>>>> Bullshit they do because hardly anyone heads off to the
>>>> other side of the country or the other side of the world
>>>> to do their research when they can just use a vpn.
>>
>>> Oh OK, my plan won't work because nobody will use
>>> it in the first place. I can't really argue with that.
>>
>>> However I wouldn't trust the VPN provider as an alternative myself.
>>
>> But then you are the fool too stupid to use a mobile.
>>
>> It makes more sense to use a vpn that you know
>> doesn't keep logs because they have never been
>> forced by a court to reveal what is in the logs
>> than to fart around moving halfway around the
>> fucking country to research how to murder
>> someone and not get caught.
>>
>> And if they have been forced to provide their
>> logs, that has to have been announced in the
>> court or it wouldn't be acceptable as evidence
>> in the trial of that particular perp.
>
> Past performance isn't always an indicator of future
> performance, as they say in the superannuation ads.


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On Fri, 09 Apr 2021 23:53:15 +0000, Computer Nerd Kev scribed:

> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message

> Past performance isn't always an indicator of future performance, as
> they say in the superannuation ads. Besides, if it's actually the
> intelligence services that collect your info from the VPN (by agreement
> with its dodgy operators), then it might still be used to put the cops
> on the trail of other evidence against you even if the VPN data itself
> isn't eventually used in court.
>
>>> Better to know you can't be tracked than to trust someone else not to
>>> track you (dodgy ex intelligence malware publishers especially).
>>
>> Trivial to avoid those.
>
> Apparantly not for everyone here who'se been recommending PIA.

So, you don't trust their new Israeli owners.
Your recommendation(s) is/are?
It is trivial to avoid any ISPs code as what you really want is their
portals

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 by: Computer Nerd Kev - Sat, 10 Apr 2021 01:42 UTC

In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
> news:s4qpda$irh$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
>>> news:s4mdgt$174f$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>>> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>> news:s4lars$p47$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>>>>> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:s4jpai$1vj3$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>>>>>>> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:s4io8p$ndr$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>>>>>>>>> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> "keithr0" <user@account.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>> news:id2f5dFiqtsU2@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/04/2021 11:02 am, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:s4g16d$1oen$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:s4e4up$996$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:s4dqva$11gc$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:s4dbss$1ujb$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:s4b8q7$16ev$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you do want to do some untracable browsing, free
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WiFi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> good
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> option, accessed from inside a car parked out the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> back
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> building where it is offered. You want to be using a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WiFi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interface
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> where the MAC address can be changed each time,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> otherwise
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> potentially be a give-away. Boot from a live Linux
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> distro
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something like Tiny Core Linux which always stores
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> user-data
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> RAM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and can be easily booted to a clean default state.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trouble with that approach is that its trivial
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to work out that it was your car parked there.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You want to do it in a small country town where there
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aren't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> traffic cameras following you I suppose. Easy for me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Its not just traffic cameras, our country town main
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> street has full CCTV coverage down to the cop shop.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure what sort of state surveillance
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has been set up where you are,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It isnt state surveillance, it was done by the council
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> number of physical assaults in the main street at night
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but in the country towns I know that CCTV
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would be independent for each store,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We have that here too.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so the cops would have to ask the corresponding
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> store owner to view their footage.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The main street footage all goes to the copshop live.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd call that state surveillance, but it's academic. Point
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many towns don't have anything like that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If they know which store captured you on CCTV, then they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> already
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know you were there anyway, so the battle is already
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lost.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That?s not the case if they have worked out that someone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> had used the library free wifi to do something nefarious
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and were wanting to work out who it was who did that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The only way the system you're describing would work
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is if there was a Chinese-style police CCTV network
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> automatically tracking your location wherever you go.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The current system would be able to work out who did it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fine.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nonsense,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nope.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sure people search things like "how to commit murder"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all the time. They're not going to track down the location
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and then identity of every single searcher in the hope
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one will turn out to be their suspect.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Its done the other way. Someone ends up dead, they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consider who might well be the one who did it, usually
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> starting with those associated with the one who ended
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> up dead. They then see who has a record of doing a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> search which looks at the mo that was used etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, exactly, and if the murderer did their research
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at a free WiFi hotspot in the way I described, then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there wouldn't be a record.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Corse there is a record with that free wifi.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not of who'se using it (besides MAC address, which I suggested
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change beforehand).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Except if the cops intensely investigated every single
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IP address from which any relevant browsing took
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> place within the last few days/weeks/months (bound
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be many different people), which is silly.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, but when they have decided that one or two
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> individuals are the likely perp and have no evidence
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that it was them that they can present in a trial, they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are free to track where their mobiles have been and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then check the records at the various free wifis and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> see if they can find any evidence of them searching
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, so turn off your mobile.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Makes it even easier for them to check because
>>>>>>>>>>>>> they only have to check the time when its off.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Then just leave it at home - simples.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Still trivial to check the free wifi CCTVs for the perps.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yes maybe it's possible for the cops to catalogue the
>>>>>>>>>> IP addresses of all the free wifi hotspots in the country,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Doesn?t have to be the country with most perps.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nonsense, people can travel all over the place.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes they can, but few bother to do that when plotting a murder.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I used to regularly use the free WiFi while visiting a town over
>>>>>>>> 100Km
>>>>>>>> away,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But few bother to do that just to research a murder.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh right we're just talking about lazy murderers.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nope, the vast bulk of murderers who are
>>>>> too stupid to do their research right. If they
>>>>> had half a clue they would use a vpn.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Well they'd just do the searching at home on
>>>>>> the couch like the woman this thread is about
>>>>>> probably did, so there's no helping them.
>>>>>
>>>>> Your approach wont help the others either.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> then launch into action whenever there's a murder,
>>>>>>>>>> scouring the metadata for any murder-related
>>>>>>>>>> searches, and then scrambling cops statewide
>>>>>>>>>> to collect CCTV footage from each location.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Like I said previously, you have that backwards.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What they actually do is decide that a couple
>>>>>>>>> of individuals are likely candidates for a particular
>>>>>>>>> murder and then check which free wifis have
>>>>>>>>> CCTV of those individuals using those free wifis
>>>>>>>>> and then check the browsing history on those
>>>>>>>>> and see if that matches the time those individuals
>>>>>>>>> were there.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That's even harder!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bullshit it is.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> With your way they've got to check every single free WiFi
>>>>>>>> site's CCTV in case one of their suspects appears on it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Trivial to do with the small country towns you keep mindlessly
>>>>>>> rabbiting on about which most perps don't actually bother with.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Round and round in circles we go,
>>>>>
>>>>> Yep, you never did have a fucking clue.
>>>>>
>>>>>> what I have told you you already know.
>>>>>
>>>>> And everyone knows you don?t have a clue.
>>>>>
>>>>>> The cops don't know where they are if they take the precautions
>>>>>
>>>>> That?s bullshit too with so much CCTV around now.
>>>>
>>>> You've just said that it's easy for the cops to know which CCTV
>>>> footage to check without knowing where a suspect is, because
>>>> there's so much CCTV to check and that will tell them where the
>>>> suspect is. You've clearly given up on making any sense.
>>>>
>>>>>> I've described (mainly not letting the phone
>>>>>> network track them there), so they'd have to
>>>>>> check CCTV in every country town (and big city).
>>>>>
>>>>> Bullshit they do because hardly anyone heads off to the
>>>>> other side of the country or the other side of the world
>>>>> to do their research when they can just use a vpn.
>>>
>>>> Oh OK, my plan won't work because nobody will use
>>>> it in the first place. I can't really argue with that.
>>>
>>>> However I wouldn't trust the VPN provider as an alternative myself.
>>>
>>> But then you are the fool too stupid to use a mobile.
>>>
>>> It makes more sense to use a vpn that you know
>>> doesn't keep logs because they have never been
>>> forced by a court to reveal what is in the logs
>>> than to fart around moving halfway around the
>>> fucking country to research how to murder
>>> someone and not get caught.
>>>
>>> And if they have been forced to provide their
>>> logs, that has to have been announced in the
>>> court or it wouldn't be acceptable as evidence
>>> in the trial of that particular perp.
>>
>> Past performance isn't always an indicator of future
>> performance, as they say in the superannuation ads.
>
> More mindless bullshit. Why would they start logging
> when they havent done that before. And in fact in
> many jurisdictions the law requires that they don't
> keep user data that they may have chosen to before.
>
>> Besides, if it's actually the intelligence services
>> that collect your info from the VPN (by agreement
>> with its dodgy operators),
>
> Why the fuck would those who run the
> vpn agree to do that ? In spades with
> foreign intelligence services ?


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 by: Computer Nerd Kev - Sat, 10 Apr 2021 01:58 UTC

In aus.computers News 2021 <news21@woa.com.au> wrote:
> On Fri, 09 Apr 2021 23:53:15 +0000, Computer Nerd Kev scribed:
>> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
>
>> Past performance isn't always an indicator of future performance, as
>> they say in the superannuation ads. Besides, if it's actually the
>> intelligence services that collect your info from the VPN (by agreement
>> with its dodgy operators), then it might still be used to put the cops
>> on the trail of other evidence against you even if the VPN data itself
>> isn't eventually used in court.
>>
>>>> Better to know you can't be tracked than to trust someone else not to
>>>> track you (dodgy ex intelligence malware publishers especially).
>>>
>>> Trivial to avoid those.
>>
>> Apparantly not for everyone here who'se been recommending PIA.
>
> So, you don't trust their new Israeli owners.

Umm, bit late in the thread to realise that isn't it? Actually I
didn't trust them myself before the new owners, but now I don't
understand why anyone would trust them.

> Your recommendation(s) is/are?

Non-existant. Any VPN could be logging you, or be allowing a
government agency to track you by giving them the data as it comes.
The only way to be sure is to run the VPN yourself, and get enough
other people to also use it so that it covers up your own traffic.
Then you're still stuffed if you do that in Australia and some
spook comes to your door quoting the Anti Encryption law stuff.

At the very least I'd suggest using VPN+TOR, but I really can't
claim to have looked into TOR well enough to know exactly how
bulletproof it really is in practice.

Rod seems confident though, you could always try getting a straight
VPN recommendation out of him. Good luck.

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 by: Rod Speed - Sat, 10 Apr 2021 05:06 UTC

"Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
news:s4qvq8$mci$1@gioia.aioe.org...
> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:s4qpda$irh$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
>>>> news:s4mdgt$174f$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>>>> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:s4lars$p47$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>>>>>> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:s4jpai$1vj3$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>>>>>>>> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> news:s4io8p$ndr$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>>>>>>>>>> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> "keithr0" <user@account.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>> news:id2f5dFiqtsU2@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/04/2021 11:02 am, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:s4g16d$1oen$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:s4e4up$996$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:s4dqva$11gc$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:s4dbss$1ujb$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:s4b8q7$16ev$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you do want to do some untracable browsing,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> free
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WiFi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> good
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> option, accessed from inside a car parked out the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> back
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> building where it is offered. You want to be using
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WiFi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interface
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> where the MAC address can be changed each time,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> otherwise
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> potentially be a give-away. Boot from a live Linux
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> distro
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something like Tiny Core Linux which always stores
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> user-data
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> RAM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and can be easily booted to a clean default state.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trouble with that approach is that its trivial
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to work out that it was your car parked there.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You want to do it in a small country town where
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aren't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> traffic cameras following you I suppose. Easy for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Its not just traffic cameras, our country town main
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> street has full CCTV coverage down to the cop shop.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure what sort of state surveillance
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has been set up where you are,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It isnt state surveillance, it was done by the council
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> number of physical assaults in the main street at night
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but in the country towns I know that CCTV
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would be independent for each store,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We have that here too.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so the cops would have to ask the corresponding
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> store owner to view their footage.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The main street footage all goes to the copshop live.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd call that state surveillance, but it's academic.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Point
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many towns don't have anything like that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If they know which store captured you on CCTV, then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> already
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know you were there anyway, so the battle is already
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lost.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That?s not the case if they have worked out that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> someone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> had used the library free wifi to do something
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nefarious
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and were wanting to work out who it was who did that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The only way the system you're describing would work
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is if there was a Chinese-style police CCTV network
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> automatically tracking your location wherever you go.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The current system would be able to work out who did it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fine.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nonsense,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nope.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sure people search things like "how to commit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> murder"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all the time. They're not going to track down the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> location
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and then identity of every single searcher in the hope
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one will turn out to be their suspect.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Its done the other way. Someone ends up dead, they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consider who might well be the one who did it, usually
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> starting with those associated with the one who ended
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> up dead. They then see who has a record of doing a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> search which looks at the mo that was used etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, exactly, and if the murderer did their research
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at a free WiFi hotspot in the way I described, then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there wouldn't be a record.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Corse there is a record with that free wifi.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not of who'se using it (besides MAC address, which I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suggested
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change beforehand).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Except if the cops intensely investigated every single
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IP address from which any relevant browsing took
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> place within the last few days/weeks/months (bound
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be many different people), which is silly.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, but when they have decided that one or two
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> individuals are the likely perp and have no evidence
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that it was them that they can present in a trial, they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are free to track where their mobiles have been and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then check the records at the various free wifis and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> see if they can find any evidence of them searching
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, so turn off your mobile.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Makes it even easier for them to check because
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they only have to check the time when its off.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then just leave it at home - simples.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Still trivial to check the free wifi CCTVs for the perps.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Yes maybe it's possible for the cops to catalogue the
>>>>>>>>>>> IP addresses of all the free wifi hotspots in the country,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Doesn?t have to be the country with most perps.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Nonsense, people can travel all over the place.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes they can, but few bother to do that when plotting a murder.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I used to regularly use the free WiFi while visiting a town over
>>>>>>>>> 100Km
>>>>>>>>> away,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But few bother to do that just to research a murder.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Oh right we're just talking about lazy murderers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nope, the vast bulk of murderers who are
>>>>>> too stupid to do their research right. If they
>>>>>> had half a clue they would use a vpn.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well they'd just do the searching at home on
>>>>>>> the couch like the woman this thread is about
>>>>>>> probably did, so there's no helping them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Your approach wont help the others either.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> then launch into action whenever there's a murder,
>>>>>>>>>>> scouring the metadata for any murder-related
>>>>>>>>>>> searches, and then scrambling cops statewide
>>>>>>>>>>> to collect CCTV footage from each location.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Like I said previously, you have that backwards.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What they actually do is decide that a couple
>>>>>>>>>> of individuals are likely candidates for a particular
>>>>>>>>>> murder and then check which free wifis have
>>>>>>>>>> CCTV of those individuals using those free wifis
>>>>>>>>>> and then check the browsing history on those
>>>>>>>>>> and see if that matches the time those individuals
>>>>>>>>>> were there.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That's even harder!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bullshit it is.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> With your way they've got to check every single free WiFi
>>>>>>>>> site's CCTV in case one of their suspects appears on it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Trivial to do with the small country towns you keep mindlessly
>>>>>>>> rabbiting on about which most perps don't actually bother with.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Round and round in circles we go,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yep, you never did have a fucking clue.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> what I have told you you already know.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And everyone knows you don?t have a clue.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The cops don't know where they are if they take the precautions
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That?s bullshit too with so much CCTV around now.
>>>>>
>>>>> You've just said that it's easy for the cops to know which CCTV
>>>>> footage to check without knowing where a suspect is, because
>>>>> there's so much CCTV to check and that will tell them where the
>>>>> suspect is. You've clearly given up on making any sense.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've described (mainly not letting the phone
>>>>>>> network track them there), so they'd have to
>>>>>>> check CCTV in every country town (and big city).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bullshit they do because hardly anyone heads off to the
>>>>>> other side of the country or the other side of the world
>>>>>> to do their research when they can just use a vpn.
>>>>
>>>>> Oh OK, my plan won't work because nobody will use
>>>>> it in the first place. I can't really argue with that.
>>>>
>>>>> However I wouldn't trust the VPN provider as an alternative myself.
>>>>
>>>> But then you are the fool too stupid to use a mobile.
>>>>
>>>> It makes more sense to use a vpn that you know
>>>> doesn't keep logs because they have never been
>>>> forced by a court to reveal what is in the logs
>>>> than to fart around moving halfway around the
>>>> fucking country to research how to murder
>>>> someone and not get caught.
>>>>
>>>> And if they have been forced to provide their
>>>> logs, that has to have been announced in the
>>>> court or it wouldn't be acceptable as evidence
>>>> in the trial of that particular perp.
>>>
>>> Past performance isn't always an indicator of future
>>> performance, as they say in the superannuation ads.
>>
>> More mindless bullshit. Why would they start logging
>> when they havent done that before. And in fact in
>> many jurisdictions the law requires that they don't
>> keep user data that they may have chosen to before.
>>
>>> Besides, if it's actually the intelligence services
>>> that collect your info from the VPN (by agreement
>>> with its dodgy operators),
>>
>> Why the fuck would those who run the
>> vpn agree to do that ? In spades with
>> foreign intelligence services ?


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