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From: captain....@gmail.com (Mark)
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by: Mark - Mon, 7 Aug 2023 09:05 UTC

For the last... several months my MBA and MBA (both 10+ years old)
regularly forget the router password. My iPhone and iPad also do,
although far less frequently. Nothing's changed as far as I can see.
Same router, same password... It's a TalkTalk router (but I doubt that
makes a difference). Any thoughts on why that happens?

--
Cheers ... Mark

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From: theom+n...@chiark.greenend.org.uk (Theo)
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by: Theo - Mon, 7 Aug 2023 10:15 UTC

Mark <captain.black@gmail.com> wrote:
> For the last... several months my MBA and MBA (both 10+ years old)
> regularly forget the router password. My iPhone and iPad also do,
> although far less frequently. Nothing's changed as far as I can see.
> Same router, same password... It's a TalkTalk router (but I doubt that
> makes a difference). Any thoughts on why that happens?

Sometimes it isn't actually forgetting the password, it's that something
goes wrong/different in the wifi negotiation and it asks for a password
rather than matching the saved one. If you cancel the connection and
reconnect (maybe turning wifi off and on), you may find it uses the saved
password again.

Theo

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From: captain....@gmail.com (Mark)
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by: Mark - Mon, 7 Aug 2023 10:35 UTC

On 2023-08-07 10:15:35 +0000, Theo said:

> Mark <captain.black@gmail.com> wrote:
>> For the last... several months my MBA and MBA (both 10+ years old)
>> regularly forget the router password. My iPhone and iPad also do,
>> although far less frequently. Nothing's changed as far as I can see.
>> Same router, same password... It's a TalkTalk router (but I doubt that
>> makes a difference). Any thoughts on why that happens?
>
> Sometimes it isn't actually forgetting the password, it's that something
> goes wrong/different in the wifi negotiation and it asks for a password
> rather than matching the saved one. If you cancel the connection and
> reconnect (maybe turning wifi off and on), you may find it uses the saved
> password again.
>
> Theo

Ah, ok. Maybe the aging hardware exacerbates that, or makes it more
likely to happen? Wonder why my iPhone does it occasionally as well (I
don't think my iPad has done it, thinking about it). This has only
started happening this year (roughly), I don't remember it happening
beore that.
--
Cheers ... Mark

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by: Bernd Froehlich - Tue, 8 Aug 2023 06:48 UTC

On 7. Aug 2023 at 12:35:27 CEST, "Mark" <captain.black@gmail.com> wrote:

> Ah, ok. Maybe the aging hardware exacerbates that, or makes it more
> likely to happen? Wonder why my iPhone does it occasionally as well (I
> don't think my iPad has done it, thinking about it). This has only
> started happening this year (roughly), I don't remember it happening
> beore that.

Maybe a neighbor got a Router this year and that´s interfering with yours
so that your MBAs get a stronger signal from the neighbor?

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From: chrisr...@mac.com (Chris Ridd)
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Subject: Re: Forgetting router password
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2023 08:27:53 +0100
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by: Chris Ridd - Tue, 8 Aug 2023 07:27 UTC

On 07/08/2023 11:35, Mark wrote:
> On 2023-08-07 10:15:35 +0000, Theo said:
>
>> Mark <captain.black@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> For the last... several months my MBA and MBA (both 10+ years old)
>>> regularly forget the router password. My iPhone and iPad also do,
>>> although far less frequently. Nothing's changed as far as I can see.
>>> Same router, same password... It's a TalkTalk router (but I doubt that
>>> makes a difference). Any thoughts on why that happens?
>>
>> Sometimes it isn't actually forgetting the password, it's that something
>> goes wrong/different in the wifi negotiation and it asks for a password
>> rather than matching the saved one. If you cancel the connection and
>> reconnect (maybe turning wifi off and on), you may find it uses the saved
>> password again.
>>
>> Theo
>
> Ah, ok. Maybe the aging hardware exacerbates that, or makes it more
> likely to happen? Wonder why my iPhone does it occasionally as well (I
> don't think my iPad has done it, thinking about it). This has only
> started happening this year (roughly), I don't remember it happening
> beore that.

Most ISP-supplied routers are pretty crappy - basically the cheapest
thing they can get away with providing.

Perhaps there are firmware updates for it that you haven't got. Or
updates for your old Macs?

Perhaps there is a fault with it and Talk Talk will swap out the hardware?

Can you turn it into basically a dumb modem with no wifi, and then
install a robust third party router/access point? That's what I've done
with the laughably named "SuperHub" that Virginmedia provides - it is
not a network hub, and is decidely not super. But it works as a modem.

--
Chris

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by: RJH - Tue, 8 Aug 2023 09:46 UTC

On 8 Aug 2023 at 08:27:53 BST, Chris Ridd wrote:

> Can you turn it into basically a dumb modem with no wifi, and then
> install a robust third party router/access point? That's what I've done
> with the laughably named "SuperHub" that Virginmedia provides - it is
> not a network hub, and is decidely not super. But it works as a modem.

Just moved to Virgin, and supplied with the Superhub 3 (bottom of their
range). Have to say, I'm surprised how good the wifi is - gets the full
advertised speed (15MB/s) even at the other end (attic room) of the house.
File transfers much the same. Missing the gigabit ethernet wiring from my old
place for that - but presumeably it would work if wired up?

Praise where due :-)

--
Cheers, Rob, Sheffield UK

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by: Bruce Horrocks - Thu, 10 Aug 2023 19:53 UTC

On 07/08/2023 10:05, Mark wrote:
> For the last... several months my MBA and MBA (both 10+ years old)
> regularly forget the router password. My iPhone and iPad also do,
> although far less frequently. Nothing's changed as far as I can see.
> Same router, same password... It's a TalkTalk router (but I doubt that
> makes a difference). Any thoughts on why that happens?
>

On the subject of router passwords...

Needed to connect my iPhone to a new router (at a friend's house) the
other day.

Attempt 1:
Press the WPS button on the router - no joy. Not recognised
automatically and nothing visible in the UI to allow me to auto-connect.

Attempt 2:
Lift the router and take a picture of the password printed on the
bottom. Use image recognition to read the password. Copy and paste into
password field. Connection fails saying invalid password.

Attempt 3:
Paste into Pages to see the password that was read from the image. Check
that the password was read okay. It was.
Copy from Pages and paste into password field again. Still fails.

Attempt 4:
Laboriously type the password one character at a time into the password
field, switching back and forth to check against the photo every couple
of characters. Finally, success.

With the exact same password - just that Apple has decided that pasting
into the password field should look like it's working but not actually work.

What was that old Apple slogan? It just works, or something?
--
Bruce Horrocks
Surrey, England

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by: Mark Bestley - Fri, 11 Aug 2023 09:21 UTC

Bruce Horrocks <07.013@scorecrow.com> writes:

> On 07/08/2023 10:05, Mark wrote:
>> For the last... several months my MBA and MBA (both 10+ years old)
>> regularly forget the router password. My iPhone and iPad also do,
>> although far less frequently. Nothing's changed as far as I can see.
>> Same router, same password... It's a TalkTalk router (but I doubt
>> that makes a difference). Any thoughts on why that happens?
>>
>
> On the subject of router passwords...
>
> Needed to connect my iPhone to a new router (at a friend's house) the
> other day.
>
> Attempt 1:
> Press the WPS button on the router - no joy. Not recognised
> automatically and nothing visible in the UI to allow me to
> auto-connect.
>
> Attempt 2:
> Lift the router and take a picture of the password printed on the
> bottom. Use image recognition to read the password. Copy and paste
> into password field. Connection fails saying invalid password.
>
> Attempt 3:
> Paste into Pages to see the password that was read from the image.
> Check that the password was read okay. It was.
> Copy from Pages and paste into password field again. Still fails.
>
> Attempt 4:
> Laboriously type the password one character at a time into the
> password field, switching back and forth to check against the photo
> every couple of characters. Finally, success.
>
> With the exact same password - just that Apple has decided that
> pasting into the password field should look like it's working but not
> actually work.
>
> What was that old Apple slogan? It just works, or something?

Ah yes routers are fun - my one was that my first photo was not that good and showed lines - is that a 1, I or l - actually after a new photo it was f. The font on it is really bad and the crosspiece is extremely small. Oh and text recognition got the fs correct but the fist character had the wrong case an the third was totally wrong.

At least for WiFi they supply a small tag which has a QR code on it.

--
Mark

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by: Alan B - Fri, 11 Aug 2023 11:47 UTC

On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 20:53:36 +0100, Bruce Horrocks wrote:

[snip]

> With the exact same password - just that Apple has decided that pasting
> into the password field should look like it's working but not actually
> work.
>
> What was that old Apple slogan? It just works, or something?

I usually find that typing up a password into a Note and then copy and
pasting it works.

--
Cheers, Alan

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by: Jaimie Vandenbergh - Fri, 11 Aug 2023 19:13 UTC

On 10 Aug 2023 at 20:53:36 BST, "Bruce Horrocks" <07.013@scorecrow.com>
wrote:

> On 07/08/2023 10:05, Mark wrote:
>> For the last... several months my MBA and MBA (both 10+ years old)
>> regularly forget the router password. My iPhone and iPad also do,
>> although far less frequently. Nothing's changed as far as I can see.
>> Same router, same password... It's a TalkTalk router (but I doubt that
>> makes a difference). Any thoughts on why that happens?
>>
>
> On the subject of router passwords...
>
> Needed to connect my iPhone to a new router (at a friend's house) the
> other day.
>
> Attempt 1:
> Press the WPS button on the router - no joy. Not recognised
> automatically and nothing visible in the UI to allow me to auto-connect.
>
> Attempt 2:
> Lift the router and take a picture of the password printed on the
> bottom. Use image recognition to read the password. Copy and paste into
> password field. Connection fails saying invalid password.
>
> Attempt 3:
> Paste into Pages to see the password that was read from the image. Check
> that the password was read okay. It was.
> Copy from Pages and paste into password field again. Still fails.
>
> Attempt 4:
> Laboriously type the password one character at a time into the password
> field, switching back and forth to check against the photo every couple
> of characters. Finally, success.
>
> With the exact same password - just that Apple has decided that pasting
> into the password field should look like it's working but not actually work.
>
> What was that old Apple slogan? It just works, or something?

Pasting works so something else was wrong, maybe a spurious space at the
start or end.

Cheers - Jaimie
--
"We don't stop playing because we grow old; we
grow old because we stop playing"
-- George Bernard Shaw

Subject	Author
Forgetting router password	Mark
Re: Forgetting router password	Theo
Re: Forgetting router password	Mark
Re: Forgetting router password	Bernd Froehlich
Re: Forgetting router password	Chris Ridd
Re: Forgetting router password	RJH
Re: Forgetting router password	Bruce Horrocks
Re: Forgetting router password	Mark Bestley
Re: Forgetting router password	Alan B
Re: Forgetting router password	Jaimie Vandenbergh