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* how does a DNS request sniffer see packets destined for DNS server?Max
+* Re: how does a DNS request sniffer see packets destined for DNSGary R. Schmidt
|`- Re: how does a DNS request sniffer see packets destined for DNSMax
`* Re: how does a DNS request sniffer see packets destined for DNS server?Rod Speed
 +* Re: how does a DNS request sniffer see packets destined for DNSJames Last plays in Miami
 |`* Re: how does a DNS request sniffer see packets destined for DNSMax
 | +* Re: how does a DNS request sniffer see packets destined for DNS server?Sarah Tonen
 | |`- Re: how does a DNS request sniffer see packets destined for DNSClocky
 | +- Re: how does a DNS request sniffer see packets destined for DNSkeithr0
 | `- Re: how does a DNS request sniffer see packets destined for DNS server?Computer Nerd Kev
 `- Re: how does a DNS request sniffer see packets destined for DNSMax

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Subject: how does a DNS request sniffer see packets destined for DNS server?
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 by: Max - Wed, 25 Aug 2021 03:21 UTC

If a DNS sniffer/spoofer is running on a network using something like
netwag/netwox, how does the sniffer see the request that is destined for
the real DNS server?

Wouldn't the packets for the DNS request be routed only to the DNS
server? Why would they be broadcast to other addresses on the network so
that the sniffer can see the request?

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 by: Gary R. Schmidt - Wed, 25 Aug 2021 08:39 UTC

On 25/08/2021 13:21, Max wrote:
> If a DNS sniffer/spoofer is running on a network using something like
> netwag/netwox, how does the sniffer see the request that is destined for
> the real DNS server?
>
> Wouldn't the packets for the DNS request be routed only to the DNS
> server? Why would they be broadcast to other addresses on the network so
> that the sniffer can see the request?

It depends entirely on how the network is set up. I.e. where the
sniffer is in relation to the route(s) to the DNS server, and what
stupid choices have been made by the bunnies that configured things in
the first place.

Rule Number 1 - When the bunny says, "There are no xyz in the network",
presume there is at least one xyz in the network.

Cheers,
Gary B-)

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Subject: Re: how does a DNS request sniffer see packets destined for DNS
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 by: Max - Wed, 25 Aug 2021 08:55 UTC

On 25/08/2021 6:39 pm, Gary R. Schmidt wrote:
> On 25/08/2021 13:21, Max wrote:
>> If a DNS sniffer/spoofer is running on a network using something like
>> netwag/netwox, how does the sniffer see the request that is destined
>> for the real DNS server?
>>
>> Wouldn't the packets for the DNS request be routed only to the DNS
>> server? Why would they be broadcast to other addresses on the network
>> so that the sniffer can see the request?
>
> It depends entirely on how the network is set up.  I.e. where the
> sniffer is in relation to the route(s) to the DNS server, and what
> stupid choices have been made by the bunnies that configured things in
> the first place.
>

This is a virtual LAN with 3 virtual machines using VMware.

I have set up Wireshark on all 3 machines. Whenever any machine does a
DNS request I can see the packets on the other machines.

I think it's something to do with the virtualised network - maybe all
packets are sent to all machines?

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Subject: Re: how does a DNS request sniffer see packets destined for DNS server?
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 by: Rod Speed - Wed, 25 Aug 2021 19:41 UTC

Max <max@val.morgan> wrote

> If a DNS sniffer/spoofer is running on a network using something like
> netwag/netwox, how does the sniffer see the request that is destined for
> the real DNS server?

> Wouldn't the packets for the DNS request be routed only to the DNS server?

Depends on the network.

> Why would they be broadcast to other addresses on the network so that the
> sniffer can see the request?

Because that’s how the simpler networks like Win10 work.

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From: kill.fil...@such.as.Ordog.com (James Last plays in Miami)
Newsgroups: aus.computers
Subject: Re: how does a DNS request sniffer see packets destined for DNS
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 by: James Last plays in - Wed, 25 Aug 2021 20:02 UTC

On Thu, 26 Aug 2021 05:41:57 +1000, Rod Speed posted:-

> > Why would they be broadcast to other addresses on the network so
> > that the sniffer can see the request?
>
> Because that’s how the simpler networks like Win10 work.

"Windows" & "work" is an oxymoron.

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Subject: Re: how does a DNS request sniffer see packets destined for DNS
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 by: Max - Wed, 25 Aug 2021 22:10 UTC

On 26/08/2021 6:02 am, James Last plays in Miami wrote:
> On Thu, 26 Aug 2021 05:41:57 +1000, Rod Speed posted:-
>
>>> Why would they be broadcast to other addresses on the network so
>>> that the sniffer can see the request?
>>
>> Because that’s how the simpler networks like Win10 work.
>
> "Windows" & "work" is an oxymoron.
>

Is Windows the worst operating system ever?

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From: max...@val.morgan (Max)
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Subject: Re: how does a DNS request sniffer see packets destined for DNS
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 by: Max - Wed, 25 Aug 2021 22:24 UTC

On 26/08/2021 5:41 am, Rod Speed wrote:
> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
>
>> If a DNS sniffer/spoofer is running on a network using something like
>> netwag/netwox, how does the sniffer see the request that is destined
>> for the real DNS server?
>
>> Wouldn't the packets for the DNS request be routed only to the DNS
>> server?
>
> Depends on the network.
>
>> Why would they be broadcast to other addresses on the network so that
>> the sniffer can see the request?
>
> Because that’s how the simpler networks like Win10 work.

This is a virtual LAN with 3 virtual machines using VMware.

I have set up Wireshark on all 3 machines. Whenever any machine does a
DNS request I can see the packets on the other machines.

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 by: Sarah Tonen - Wed, 25 Aug 2021 22:38 UTC

On Thu, 26 Aug 2021 08:10:28 +1000, Max <max@val.morgan> wrote:

>On 26/08/2021 6:02 am, James Last plays in Miami wrote:
>> On Thu, 26 Aug 2021 05:41:57 +1000, Rod Speed posted:-
>>
>>>> Why would they be broadcast to other addresses on the network so
>>>> that the sniffer can see the request?
>>>
>>> Because that’s how the simpler networks like Win10 work.
>>
>> "Windows" & "work" is an oxymoron.
>>
>
>Is Windows the worst operating system ever?

Not even close.

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 by: keithr0 - Thu, 26 Aug 2021 02:31 UTC

On 26/08/2021 8:10 am, Max wrote:
> On 26/08/2021 6:02 am, James Last plays in Miami wrote:
>> On Thu, 26 Aug 2021 05:41:57 +1000, Rod Speed posted:-
>>
>>>> Why would they be broadcast to other addresses on the network so
>>>> that the sniffer can see the request?
>>>
>>> Because that’s how the simpler networks like Win10 work.
>>
>> "Windows" & "work" is an oxymoron.
>>
>
> Is Windows the worst operating system ever?

No.

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 by: Clocky - Fri, 27 Aug 2021 02:10 UTC

On 26/08/2021 6:38 am, Sarah Tonen wrote:
> On Thu, 26 Aug 2021 08:10:28 +1000, Max <max@val.morgan> wrote:
>
>> On 26/08/2021 6:02 am, James Last plays in Miami wrote:
>>> On Thu, 26 Aug 2021 05:41:57 +1000, Rod Speed posted:-
>>>
>>>>> Why would they be broadcast to other addresses on the network so
>>>>> that the sniffer can see the request?
>>>>
>>>> Because that’s how the simpler networks like Win10 work.
>>>
>>> "Windows" & "work" is an oxymoron.
>>>
>>
>> Is Windows the worst operating system ever?
>
> Not even close.
>

Hell no, the endless desktop linux flavours trying to be Windows would
take the cake for that.

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 by: Computer Nerd Kev - Sat, 28 Aug 2021 02:25 UTC

Max <max@val.morgan> wrote:
> On 26/08/2021 6:02 am, James Last plays in Miami wrote:
>> On Thu, 26 Aug 2021 05:41:57 +1000, Rod Speed posted:-
>>
>>>> Why would they be broadcast to other addresses on the network so
>>>> that the sniffer can see the request?
>>>
>>> Because that's how the simpler networks like Win10 work.
>>
>> "Windows" & "work" is an oxymoron.
>
> Is Windows the worst operating system ever?

Are you the most obvious troll ever?

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