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Bravenet browser

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From: fel...@invalid.com (Yosemite Sam)
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Subject: Bravenet browser
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 by: Yosemite Sam - Wed, 22 Sep 2021 01:22 UTC

been trying it out. seems to be better than the alternatives.

--
"A mans got to know his limitations"
- clint Eastwood as Dirty Harry

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 by: Rod Speed - Wed, 22 Sep 2021 05:21 UTC

Yosemite Sam <felix@invalid.com> wrote

> been trying it out. seems to be better than the alternatives.

Better in what respect ?

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From: fel...@invalid.com (Yosemite Sam)
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 by: Yosemite Sam - Wed, 22 Sep 2021 11:59 UTC

On 22/09/2021 3:21 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
> Yosemite Sam <felix@invalid.com> wrote
>> been trying it out. seems to be better than the alternatives.
>
> Better in what respect ?

faster, cleaner interface, no ads, I just like it

--
"A mans got to know his limitations"
- clint Eastwood as Dirty Harry

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From: rod.spee...@gmail.com (Rod Speed)
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Subject: Re: Bravenet browser
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 by: Rod Speed - Wed, 22 Sep 2021 20:24 UTC

Yosemite Sam <felix@invalid.com> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Yosemite Sam <felix@invalid.com> wrote

>>> been trying it out. seems to be better than the alternatives.

>> Better in what respect ?

> faster,

Yes.

> cleaner interface,

That’s worse.

> no ads,

I got one of their ads.

> I just like it

The browser is Brave, not Bravenet.

Refuses to install on my Win7 PC

The iOS app wont even open the Woolys site.

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From: Leu...@blue.mountains.org (Mountain Magpie)
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 by: Mountain Magpie - Thu, 23 Sep 2021 01:25 UTC

On Thu, 23 Sep 2021 06:24:12 +1000, Rod Speed posted:-

> Yosemite Sam <felix@invalid.com> wrote
> > Rod Speed wrote
> >> Yosemite Sam <felix@invalid.com> wrote
>
> >>> been trying it out. seems to be better than the alternatives.
>
> >> Better in what respect ?
>
> > faster,
>
> Yes.
>
> > cleaner interface,
>
> That’s worse.
>
> > no ads,
>
> I got one of their ads.
>
> > I just like it
>
> The browser is Brave, not Bravenet.
>
> Refuses to install on my Win7 PC
>
> The iOS app wont even open the Woolys site.
>

Possibly has trouble with Gmail as well?

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 by: Max - Thu, 23 Sep 2021 05:15 UTC

On 23/09/2021 6:24 am, Rod Speed wrote:
> Yosemite Sam <felix@invalid.com> wrote
>> Rod Speed wrote
>>> Yosemite Sam <felix@invalid.com> wrote
>
>>>> been trying it out. seems to be better than the alternatives.
>
>>> Better in what respect ?
>
>> faster,
>
> Yes.
>
>> cleaner interface,
>
> That’s worse.
>
>> no ads,
>
> I got one of their ads.
>
>> I just like it
>
> The browser is Brave, not Bravenet.
>
> Refuses to install on my Win7 PC
>

Have fun not getting security updates on Win 7.

> The iOS app wont even open the Woolys site.

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From: rod.spee...@gmail.com (Rod Speed)
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Subject: Re: Bravenet browser
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 by: Rod Speed - Thu, 23 Sep 2021 17:34 UTC

Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Yosemite Sam <felix@invalid.com> wrote
>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>> Yosemite Sam <felix@invalid.com> wrote
>>
>>>>> been trying it out. seems to be better than the alternatives.
>>
>>>> Better in what respect ?
>>
>>> faster,
>>
>> Yes.
>>
>>> cleaner interface,
>>
>> That’s worse.
>>
>>> no ads,
>>
>> I got one of their ads.
>>
>>> I just like it
>>
>> The browser is Brave, not Bravenet.
>>
>> Refuses to install on my Win7 PC
>>
> Have fun not getting security updates on Win 7.

Not a problem, don’t need them.

>> The iOS app wont even open the Woolys site.
>

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From: Leu...@blue.mountains.org (Mountain Magpie)
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 by: Mountain Magpie - Fri, 24 Sep 2021 12:08 UTC

On Fri, 24 Sep 2021 03:34:12 +1000, Rod Speed posted:-

> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
> > Rod Speed wrote
> >> Yosemite Sam <felix@invalid.com> wrote
> >>> Rod Speed wrote
> >>>> Yosemite Sam <felix@invalid.com> wrote
> >>
> >>>>> been trying it out. seems to be better than the alternatives.
> >>
> >>>> Better in what respect ?
> >>
> >>> faster,
> >>
> >> Yes.
> >>
> >>> cleaner interface,
> >>
> >> That’s worse.
> >>
> >>> no ads,
> >>
> >> I got one of their ads.
> >>
> >>> I just like it
> >>
> >> The browser is Brave, not Bravenet.
> >>
> >> Refuses to install on my Win7 PC
> >>
> > Have fun not getting security updates on Win 7.
>
> Not a problem, don’t need them.

Why is that, Roddles?
>
> >> The iOS app wont even open the Woolys site.
> >

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 by: Rod Speed - Fri, 24 Sep 2021 19:31 UTC

Mountain Magpie <Leura@blue.mountains.org> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
>> > Rod Speed wrote
>> >> Yosemite Sam <felix@invalid.com> wrote
>> >>> Rod Speed wrote
>> >>>> Yosemite Sam <felix@invalid.com> wrote
>> >>
>> >>>>> been trying it out. seems to be better than the alternatives.
>> >>
>> >>>> Better in what respect ?
>> >>
>> >>> faster,
>> >>
>> >> Yes.
>> >>
>> >>> cleaner interface,
>> >>
>> >> That’s worse.
>> >>
>> >>> no ads,
>> >>
>> >> I got one of their ads.
>> >>
>> >>> I just like it
>> >>
>> >> The browser is Brave, not Bravenet.
>> >>
>> >> Refuses to install on my Win7 PC
>> >>
>> > Have fun not getting security updates on Win 7.
>>
>> Not a problem, don’t need them.
>
> Why is that, Roddles?

That system is protected outside the system itself.

>> >> The iOS app wont even open the Woolys site.
>> >
>
>

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 by: News 2021 - Mon, 27 Sep 2021 01:47 UTC

On Wed, 22 Sep 2021 11:22:53 +1000, Yosemite Sam scribed:

> been trying it out. seems to be better than the alternatives.

What is the privacy and security like?

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 by: Yosemite Sam - Mon, 27 Sep 2021 02:46 UTC

On 27/09/2021 11:47 am, News 2021 wrote:
> On Wed, 22 Sep 2021 11:22:53 +1000, Yosemite Sam scribed:
>
>> been trying it out. seems to be better than the alternatives.
> What is the privacy and security like?
>

I think it's good

https://brave.com/compare/chrome/privacy/

--
"A mans got to know his limitations"
- clint Eastwood as Dirty Harry

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 by: keithr0 - Mon, 27 Sep 2021 05:02 UTC

On 27/09/2021 11:47 am, News 2021 wrote:
> On Wed, 22 Sep 2021 11:22:53 +1000, Yosemite Sam scribed:
>
>> been trying it out. seems to be better than the alternatives.
>
> What is the privacy and security like?
>
Anything that gets you out of Google and Apples clutches has to be good.

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 by: News 2021 - Mon, 27 Sep 2021 05:11 UTC

On Mon, 27 Sep 2021 15:02:54 +1000, keithr0 scribed:

> On 27/09/2021 11:47 am, News 2021 wrote:
>> On Wed, 22 Sep 2021 11:22:53 +1000, Yosemite Sam scribed:
>>
>>> been trying it out. seems to be better than the alternatives.
>>
>> What is the privacy and security like?
>>
> Anything that gets you out of Google and Apples clutches has to be good.

Err, except it is chrome based, which is google?

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 by: keithr0 - Mon, 27 Sep 2021 06:31 UTC

On 27/09/2021 3:11 pm, News 2021 wrote:
> On Mon, 27 Sep 2021 15:02:54 +1000, keithr0 scribed:
>
>> On 27/09/2021 11:47 am, News 2021 wrote:
>>> On Wed, 22 Sep 2021 11:22:53 +1000, Yosemite Sam scribed:
>>>
>>>> been trying it out. seems to be better than the alternatives.
>>>
>>> What is the privacy and security like?
>>>
>> Anything that gets you out of Google and Apples clutches has to be good.
>
> Err, except it is chrome based, which is google?
>
It's based on chromium not chrome, there is a difference, chromium is an
open source engine, without the evil bits.

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From: rod.spee...@gmail.com (Rod Speed)
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 by: Rod Speed - Mon, 27 Sep 2021 18:35 UTC

keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote
> News 2021 wrote
>> Yosemite Sam wrote

>>> been trying it out. seems to be better than the alternatives.

>> What is the privacy and security like?

> Anything that gets you out of Google and Apples clutches has to be good.

That’s mindlessly silly with apple which doesn’t use any of your data at
all.

They cant even associate your movements using apple maps with you.

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 by: Computer Nerd Kev - Mon, 27 Sep 2021 22:46 UTC

keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote:
> On 27/09/2021 3:11 pm, News 2021 wrote:
>> On Mon, 27 Sep 2021 15:02:54 +1000, keithr0 scribed:
>>> On 27/09/2021 11:47 am, News 2021 wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 22 Sep 2021 11:22:53 +1000, Yosemite Sam scribed:
>>>>
>>>>> been trying it out. seems to be better than the alternatives.
>>>>
>>>> What is the privacy and security like?
>>>>
>>> Anything that gets you out of Google and Apples clutches has to be good.
>>
>> Err, except it is chrome based, which is google?
>>
> It's based on chromium not chrome, there is a difference, chromium is an
> open source engine, without the evil bits.

Google develop it, so you're definately not out of their clutches.
They determine what works and what doesn't, and what evil bits
get removed and what stay. Of course in theory as it's open-source
so anyone can modify it to make it their own, but in practice it's
too complicated for others to do more than minor tinkering, and
they mostly just do window dressing like this Brave browser.

Most of this security/privacy talk about browsers is BS anyway.
If you go through all the features that compromise
security/privacy and disable or restrict them, you just find that
many common websites aren't usable.

Even with Firefox, there are CAPTCHAs everywhere that usually
require Google's servers to be allowed to talk with the browser
in order to work (even the hCaptcha one that isn't officially
associated with Google on their site), so you end up telling
Google whenever you access those sites.

The best approach is to just browse old-fashioned plain HTML sites
in a browser like Dillo, but then you miss out on all the online
shopping sites, as well as any website made for an Aus government
department. Plus you still need to take measures against things
like tracking pixels (which I don't know a good solution to myself
really, manually blocking things in the hosts file is
unmaintainable with 9sm83miou.aws.com type domains (same for the
PiHole)).

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 by: keithr0 - Tue, 28 Sep 2021 06:23 UTC

On 28/09/2021 4:35 am, Rod Speed wrote:
> keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote
>> News 2021 wrote
>>> Yosemite Sam wrote
>
>>>> been trying it out. seems to be better than the alternatives.
>
>>> What is the privacy and security like?
>
>> Anything that gets you out of Google and Apples clutches has to be good.
>
> That’s mindlessly silly with apple which doesn’t use any of your data at
> all.
>
> They cant even associate your movements using apple maps with you.

So they say.

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 by: keithr0 - Tue, 28 Sep 2021 06:28 UTC

On 28/09/2021 8:46 am, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
> keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote:
>> On 27/09/2021 3:11 pm, News 2021 wrote:
>>> On Mon, 27 Sep 2021 15:02:54 +1000, keithr0 scribed:
>>>> On 27/09/2021 11:47 am, News 2021 wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 22 Sep 2021 11:22:53 +1000, Yosemite Sam scribed:
>>>>>
>>>>>> been trying it out. seems to be better than the alternatives.
>>>>>
>>>>> What is the privacy and security like?
>>>>>
>>>> Anything that gets you out of Google and Apples clutches has to be good.
>>>
>>> Err, except it is chrome based, which is google?
>>>
>> It's based on chromium not chrome, there is a difference, chromium is an
>> open source engine, without the evil bits.
>
> Google develop it, so you're definately not out of their clutches.
> They determine what works and what doesn't, and what evil bits
> get removed and what stay. Of course in theory as it's open-source
> so anyone can modify it to make it their own, but in practice it's
> too complicated for others to do more than minor tinkering, and
> they mostly just do window dressing like this Brave browser.

I'm sure that various researchers are combing though it, like every
other piece of OS software.

> Most of this security/privacy talk about browsers is BS anyway.
> If you go through all the features that compromise
> security/privacy and disable or restrict them, you just find that
> many common websites aren't usable.
>
> Even with Firefox, there are CAPTCHAs everywhere that usually
> require Google's servers to be allowed to talk with the browser
> in order to work (even the hCaptcha one that isn't officially
> associated with Google on their site), so you end up telling
> Google whenever you access those sites.
>
> The best approach is to just browse old-fashioned plain HTML sites
> in a browser like Dillo, but then you miss out on all the online
> shopping sites, as well as any website made for an Aus government
> department. Plus you still need to take measures against things
> like tracking pixels (which I don't know a good solution to myself
> really, manually blocking things in the hosts file is
> unmaintainable with 9sm83miou.aws.com type domains (same for the
> PiHole)).
>
I suppose that it depends on how paranoid you are, you just have to set
the level that you are comfortable with. I simply block a lot of stuff
with PiHole, I do look at its logs to see what sites that look iffy are
being access and blacklist them.

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 by: Computer Nerd Kev - Tue, 28 Sep 2021 07:48 UTC

keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote:
> On 28/09/2021 8:46 am, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
>> keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote:
>>> On 27/09/2021 3:11 pm, News 2021 wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 27 Sep 2021 15:02:54 +1000, keithr0 scribed:
>>>>> On 27/09/2021 11:47 am, News 2021 wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 22 Sep 2021 11:22:53 +1000, Yosemite Sam scribed:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> been trying it out. seems to be better than the alternatives.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What is the privacy and security like?
>>>>>>
>>>>> Anything that gets you out of Google and Apples clutches has to be good.
>>>>
>>>> Err, except it is chrome based, which is google?
>>>>
>>> It's based on chromium not chrome, there is a difference, chromium is an
>>> open source engine, without the evil bits.
>>
>> Google develop it, so you're definately not out of their clutches.
>> They determine what works and what doesn't, and what evil bits
>> get removed and what stay. Of course in theory as it's open-source
>> so anyone can modify it to make it their own, but in practice it's
>> too complicated for others to do more than minor tinkering, and
>> they mostly just do window dressing like this Brave browser.
>
> I'm sure that various researchers are combing though it, like every
> other piece of OS software.

That's mainly just looking for bugs, they don't get paid for
finding intentional leaks of your personal browsing information
back to Google.
https://www.google.com/about/appsecurity/chrome-rewards/

>> Most of this security/privacy talk about browsers is BS anyway.
>> If you go through all the features that compromise
>> security/privacy and disable or restrict them, you just find that
>> many common websites aren't usable.
>>
>> Even with Firefox, there are CAPTCHAs everywhere that usually
>> require Google's servers to be allowed to talk with the browser
>> in order to work (even the hCaptcha one that isn't officially
>> associated with Google on their site), so you end up telling
>> Google whenever you access those sites.
>>
>> The best approach is to just browse old-fashioned plain HTML sites
>> in a browser like Dillo, but then you miss out on all the online
>> shopping sites, as well as any website made for an Aus government
>> department. Plus you still need to take measures against things
>> like tracking pixels (which I don't know a good solution to myself
>> really, manually blocking things in the hosts file is
>> unmaintainable with 9sm83miou.aws.com type domains (same for the
>> PiHole)).
>>
> I suppose that it depends on how paranoid you are, you just have to set
> the level that you are comfortable with. I simply block a lot of stuff
> with PiHole, I do look at its logs to see what sites that look iffy are
> being access and blacklist them.

The problem is that as web developers now only cater to people
running Chrome-based browsers (they're clearly not even thinking
much about Firefox anymore), it gets harder for me to be
comfortable while still being able to use many classes of websites.
That's another reason not to use Chrome-based browsers - it's only
giving more power to Google to dictate the direction that web
development moves towards.

Then you get things like this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accelerated_Mobile_Pages

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 by: DBR - Tue, 28 Sep 2021 09:38 UTC

On 28/09/2021 4:05 AM, Rod Speed wrote:
> keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote
>> News 2021 wrote
>>> Yosemite Sam wrote
>
>>>> been trying it out. seems to be better than the alternatives.
>
>>> What is the privacy and security like?
>
>> Anything that gets you out of Google and Apples clutches has to be good.
>
> That’s mindlessly silly with apple which doesn’t use any of your data at
> all.
>
> They cant even associate your movements using apple maps with you.

https://habr.com/en/post/579714/
Not everything Apple is what it seems

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 by: keithr0 - Tue, 28 Sep 2021 12:05 UTC

On 28/09/2021 5:48 pm, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
> keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote:
>> On 28/09/2021 8:46 am, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
>>> keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote:
>>>> On 27/09/2021 3:11 pm, News 2021 wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 27 Sep 2021 15:02:54 +1000, keithr0 scribed:
>>>>>> On 27/09/2021 11:47 am, News 2021 wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wed, 22 Sep 2021 11:22:53 +1000, Yosemite Sam scribed:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> been trying it out. seems to be better than the alternatives.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What is the privacy and security like?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anything that gets you out of Google and Apples clutches has to be good.
>>>>>
>>>>> Err, except it is chrome based, which is google?
>>>>>
>>>> It's based on chromium not chrome, there is a difference, chromium is an
>>>> open source engine, without the evil bits.
>>>
>>> Google develop it, so you're definately not out of their clutches.
>>> They determine what works and what doesn't, and what evil bits
>>> get removed and what stay. Of course in theory as it's open-source
>>> so anyone can modify it to make it their own, but in practice it's
>>> too complicated for others to do more than minor tinkering, and
>>> they mostly just do window dressing like this Brave browser.
>>
>> I'm sure that various researchers are combing though it, like every
>> other piece of OS software.
>
> That's mainly just looking for bugs, they don't get paid for
> finding intentional leaks of your personal browsing information
> back to Google.
> https://www.google.com/about/appsecurity/chrome-rewards/

Most of Googles data comes from the use of their search engine, the
first step is avoiding that. Secondly not using their DNS servers,
thirdly blacklisting Google Lead Services and Doubleclick. That's not
the whole story but it's a start.

>>> Most of this security/privacy talk about browsers is BS anyway.
>>> If you go through all the features that compromise
>>> security/privacy and disable or restrict them, you just find that
>>> many common websites aren't usable.
>>>
>>> Even with Firefox, there are CAPTCHAs everywhere that usually
>>> require Google's servers to be allowed to talk with the browser
>>> in order to work (even the hCaptcha one that isn't officially
>>> associated with Google on their site), so you end up telling
>>> Google whenever you access those sites.
>>>
>>> The best approach is to just browse old-fashioned plain HTML sites
>>> in a browser like Dillo, but then you miss out on all the online
>>> shopping sites, as well as any website made for an Aus government
>>> department. Plus you still need to take measures against things
>>> like tracking pixels (which I don't know a good solution to myself
>>> really, manually blocking things in the hosts file is
>>> unmaintainable with 9sm83miou.aws.com type domains (same for the
>>> PiHole)).
>>>
>> I suppose that it depends on how paranoid you are, you just have to set
>> the level that you are comfortable with. I simply block a lot of stuff
>> with PiHole, I do look at its logs to see what sites that look iffy are
>> being access and blacklist them.
>
> The problem is that as web developers now only cater to people
> running Chrome-based browsers (they're clearly not even thinking
> much about Firefox anymore), it gets harder for me to be
> comfortable while still being able to use many classes of websites.
> That's another reason not to use Chrome-based browsers - it's only
> giving more power to Google to dictate the direction that web
> development moves towards.

Just like IE used to be, what goes around comes around.

> Then you get things like this:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accelerated_Mobile_Pages
>

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 by: Rod Speed - Tue, 28 Sep 2021 18:38 UTC

keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote
>>> News 2021 wrote
>>>> Yosemite Sam wrote

>>>>> been trying it out. seems to be better than the alternatives.

>>>> What is the privacy and security like?

>>> Anything that gets you out of Google and Apples clutches has to be good.

>> That’s mindlessly silly with apple which doesn’t use any of your data at
>> all.

>> They cant even associate your movements using apple maps with you.

> So they say.

Trivial to test that by observing if you ever get any ads relevant
to where you have browsed or visited in person. I do with
chrome but never have with stuff done on the phone.

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 by: Rod Speed - Tue, 28 Sep 2021 18:42 UTC

DBR <dron> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote
>>> News 2021 wrote
>>>> Yosemite Sam wrote
>>
>>>>> been trying it out. seems to be better than the alternatives.
>>
>>>> What is the privacy and security like?
>>
>>> Anything that gets you out of Google and Apples clutches has to be good.
>>
>> That’s mindlessly silly with apple which doesn’t use any of your data at
>> all.
>>
>> They cant even associate your movements using apple maps with you.
>
> https://habr.com/en/post/579714/
> Not everything Apple is what it seems

That’s a different issue entirely. No system is wart free.

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 by: Computer Nerd Kev - Tue, 28 Sep 2021 22:20 UTC

keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote:
> On 28/09/2021 5:48 pm, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
>> keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote:
>>> On 28/09/2021 8:46 am, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
>>>> keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> On 27/09/2021 3:11 pm, News 2021 wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Err, except it is chrome based, which is google?
>>>>>>
>>>>> It's based on chromium not chrome, there is a difference, chromium is an
>>>>> open source engine, without the evil bits.
>>>>
>>>> Google develop it, so you're definately not out of their clutches.
>>>> They determine what works and what doesn't, and what evil bits
>>>> get removed and what stay. Of course in theory as it's open-source
>>>> so anyone can modify it to make it their own, but in practice it's
>>>> too complicated for others to do more than minor tinkering, and
>>>> they mostly just do window dressing like this Brave browser.
>>>
>>> I'm sure that various researchers are combing though it, like every
>>> other piece of OS software.
>>
>> That's mainly just looking for bugs, they don't get paid for
>> finding intentional leaks of your personal browsing information
>> back to Google.
>> https://www.google.com/about/appsecurity/chrome-rewards/
>
> Most of Googles data comes from the use of their search engine, the
> first step is avoiding that. Secondly not using their DNS servers,
> thirdly blacklisting Google Lead Services and Doubleclick. That's not
> the whole story but it's a start.

Yeah, and after that avoiding browsers based on their rendering
engine, and indeed all Google software, which is where I'm at.

What I do need is a way around their Captchas, because at that one
I'm stuck. The new one that pops up in PayPal's payment window is
hell to temporarily allow through NoScript as well, there's some
security feature in Firefox that prevents changing settings
applying to that window once it's open.

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 by: Petzl - Wed, 29 Sep 2021 00:31 UTC

On 29 Sep 2021 08:20:27 +1000, not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd
Kev) wrote:

>keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote:
>> On 28/09/2021 5:48 pm, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
>>> keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote:
>>>> On 28/09/2021 8:46 am, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
>>>>> keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>> On 27/09/2021 3:11 pm, News 2021 wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Err, except it is chrome based, which is google?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's based on chromium not chrome, there is a difference, chromium is an
>>>>>> open source engine, without the evil bits.
>>>>>
>>>>> Google develop it, so you're definately not out of their clutches.
>>>>> They determine what works and what doesn't, and what evil bits
>>>>> get removed and what stay. Of course in theory as it's open-source
>>>>> so anyone can modify it to make it their own, but in practice it's
>>>>> too complicated for others to do more than minor tinkering, and
>>>>> they mostly just do window dressing like this Brave browser.
>>>>
>>>> I'm sure that various researchers are combing though it, like every
>>>> other piece of OS software.
>>>
>>> That's mainly just looking for bugs, they don't get paid for
>>> finding intentional leaks of your personal browsing information
>>> back to Google.
>>> https://www.google.com/about/appsecurity/chrome-rewards/
>>
>> Most of Googles data comes from the use of their search engine, the
>> first step is avoiding that. Secondly not using their DNS servers,
>> thirdly blacklisting Google Lead Services and Doubleclick. That's not
>> the whole story but it's a start.
>
>Yeah, and after that avoiding browsers based on their rendering
>engine, and indeed all Google software, which is where I'm at.
>
>What I do need is a way around their Captchas, because at that one
>I'm stuck. The new one that pops up in PayPal's payment window is
>hell to temporarily allow through NoScript as well, there's some
>security feature in Firefox that prevents changing settings
>applying to that window once it's open.
>
I've used Opera Browser for years, with "AdBlockPlus" (don't use Opera
p0pup blocker) no youtube ads or pop-ups, with it
Don't like captchas but put up with them
"AdBlockPlus" if a "Element" shows you click the red stop icon on
browser and select block element, go back to browser and then click
element, gone forever
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Gough Whitlam when Joe Riordan lost the seat of Philip in Sydney’s
eastern suburbs. “Comrade, comrade, how negligent of you. To lose a
seat in which there is not one but three cemeteries is unforgivable.”

I had an uncle that lived in Wellington. He voted Liberal all his
life until he passed away 10 years ago. Now he votes Labor.

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