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A.. Prevent foreigners playing in County cricket (all formats) . At present any round of county matches is likely to have 40 or more foreigners playing. This (1) robs English players of chances , (2) allows foreigners to develop their skills in English conditions and (3) allows to foreigners to become familiar with English society.

B. Get England players to platy as much CC cricket under their belts as possible. This will improve their techniques and mentality .

RH

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 by: jack fredricks - Sun, 19 Dec 2021 21:20 UTC

I'm glad you finally agree CC is crap.

Here's a non-racist way of fixing CC;
1. Listen to former English coaches - pitches need to be improved to promote genuinely FAST bowling. My words - no more over-after-over-after-over of medium pace trundlers. I believe this is happening, but I'm not sure how quickly. Regardless, a change like this might be generational.
2. More spin. They face ~twice as much spin in Tests as CC
3. Fewer but more intense games. In 2020/21 the top Australian SS batsmen played ~14 innings each. CC batsmen played ~25 innings each. CC is *soft*, backyard cricket. That's why they can play so much.

Does anyone think Ollie Pope's 2021 average of 76.80 in CC is a good indication of his Test quality?

I still like my idea of a 6 team Lions comp that sits above/beside CC. Age limited to 23 (with maybe a few up to 26), England qualified only.

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 by: RH - Mon, 20 Dec 2021 15:32 UTC

On Sunday, December 19, 2021 at 9:20:20 PM UTC, jzfre...@gmail.com wrote:
> I'm glad you finally agree CC is crap.
>
> Here's a non-racist way of fixing CC;

Your treason is noted... RH

> 1. Listen to former English coaches - pitches need to be improved to promote genuinely FAST bowling. My words - no more over-after-over-after-over of medium pace trundlers. I believe this is happening, but I'm not sure how quickly. Regardless, a change like this might be generational.
> 2. More spin. They face ~twice as much spin in Tests as CC
> 3. Fewer but more intense games. In 2020/21 the top Australian SS batsmen played ~14 innings each. CC batsmen played ~25 innings each. CC is *soft*, backyard cricket. That's why they can play so much.
>
> Does anyone think Ollie Pope's 2021 average of 76.80 in CC is a good indication of his Test quality?
>
> I still like my idea of a 6 team Lions comp that sits above/beside CC. Age limited to 23 (with maybe a few up to 26), England qualified only.

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 by: Richard Dixon - Mon, 20 Dec 2021 15:50 UTC

On Monday, 20 December 2021 at 15:32:16 UTC, RH wrote:
> treason

LOL

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On Mon, 20 Dec 2021 07:50:30 -0800 (PST), Richard Dixon
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>On Monday, 20 December 2021 at 15:32:16 UTC, RH wrote:
>> treason
>
>LOL

Our survey shows that 9 out of 10 facist gits cry treason.
10 out of 10 claim that someone 'different' wants to take over control
of something.

You know those Japanese soldiers who remained hiding in the jungle for
years because they didn't know that war was over. They still prayed to
the Emperor even though the Emperor had announced many years before to
the people that he wasn't a god. When they were 'rescued' they thought
it was a trick and they were being captured.

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 by: Mike Holmans - Mon, 20 Dec 2021 16:27 UTC

On Mon, 20 Dec 2021 16:13:40 +0000, max.it <max@tea.time> wrote:

>On Mon, 20 Dec 2021 07:50:30 -0800 (PST), Richard Dixon
><richsdixon1975@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Monday, 20 December 2021 at 15:32:16 UTC, RH wrote:
>>> treason
>>
>>LOL
>
>Our survey shows that 9 out of 10 facist gits cry treason.
>10 out of 10 claim that someone 'different' wants to take over control
>of something.
>
>You know those Japanese soldiers who remained hiding in the jungle for
>years because they didn't know that war was over. They still prayed to
>the Emperor even though the Emperor had announced many years before to
>the people that he wasn't a god. When they were 'rescued' they thought
>it was a trick and they were being captured.

I assume this is one of those threads in which the moron preaches his
"foreigners out" gospel. One of the fun things to consider in that
regard is that nearly 40% of English amateur cricketers have brown
skin, so restricting the counties to English-born players would result
in a significant increase in brown-skinned players in f-c cricket.

Cheers,

Mike

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 by: max.it - Mon, 20 Dec 2021 17:22 UTC

On Mon, 20 Dec 2021 16:27:50 +0000, Mike Holmans <spam@jackalope.uk>
wrote:

>On Mon, 20 Dec 2021 16:13:40 +0000, max.it <max@tea.time> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 20 Dec 2021 07:50:30 -0800 (PST), Richard Dixon
>><richsdixon1975@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Monday, 20 December 2021 at 15:32:16 UTC, RH wrote:
>>>> treason
>>>
>>>LOL
>>
>>Our survey shows that 9 out of 10 facist gits cry treason.
>>10 out of 10 claim that someone 'different' wants to take over control
>>of something.
>>
>>You know those Japanese soldiers who remained hiding in the jungle for
>>years because they didn't know that war was over. They still prayed to
>>the Emperor even though the Emperor had announced many years before to
>>the people that he wasn't a god. When they were 'rescued' they thought
>>it was a trick and they were being captured.
>
>I assume this is one of those threads in which the moron preaches his
>"foreigners out" gospel. One of the fun things to consider in that
>regard is that nearly 40% of English amateur cricketers have brown
>skin, so restricting the counties to English-born players would result
>in a significant increase in brown-skinned players in f-c cricket.
>
>Cheers,
>
>Mike

I was looking at the Ireland U19 selection. Names and clubs checking
if anyone from around here was selected.

The Ireland Under-19s Men’s squad is:
Tim Tector (captain) (YMCA), Diarmuid Burke (Malahide), Joshua Cox
(Paul Roos Gymnasium), Jack Dickson (Instonians), Liam Doherty (St.
Andrew’s School), Jamie Forbes (YMCA), Daniel Forkin (Merrion),
Matthew Humphreys (Lisburn), Philippe le Roux (Railway Union), Scott
Macbeth (St. Johnston), Nathan McGuire (Rush), Muzamil Sherzad (North
Kildare), David Vincent (Clontarf), Luke Whelan (North County), Reuben
Wilson (YMCA).
Travelling reserve: Robbie Millar (Eglinton)
Non-travelling reserves: Ryan Hunter (CSNI), Ewan Wilson (Muckamore)

I'd draw your attention to
Joshua Cox (Paul Roos Gymnasium)
Liam Doherty (St. Andrew’s School)
Neither has played a match in Ireland for an Irish club and now they
are representing Ireland. Here's the connection, Albert van der Merwe
(Assistant Coach).
I'd forgive Ryan Hunter (CSNI), Ewan Wilson (Muckamore) for being
pissed off at missing a nice trip to the Carribbean.

max.it

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 by: RH - Mon, 20 Dec 2021 18:32 UTC

On Sunday, December 19, 2021 at 5:03:20 PM UTC, RH wrote:
> A.. Prevent foreigners playing in County cricket (all formats) . At present any round of county matches is likely to have 40 or more foreigners playing. This (1) robs English players of chances , (2) allows foreigners to develop their skills in English conditions and (3) allows to foreigners to become familiar with English society.
>
> B. Get England players to platy as much CC cricket under their belts as possible. This will improve their techniques and mentality .
>
> RH

I posted this on the telegraph site
e rot set in way back in 1969 when the qualification rules for county cricket were relaxed . Until then to play county cricket you either had to be born in a first class county (which allowed a player to play for their county of birth ) or serve a two year residency in a county
(which allowed you to play for that county but no other.).

The 1969 change included provision for foreign players to play in county cricket without having to qualify. The foreigners flooded in. and one way or another have don't so ever since, There have been restrictions on the numbers but one way or another there have always large numbers of foreigners,

At present any round of county matches is likely to have 40 or more foreigners playing. This (1) robs English players of chances , (2) allows foreigners to develop their skills in English conditions and (3) allows to foreigners to become familiar with English society.

There were two other ill effects for English cricket . The foreign players tended to be predominately upper order batsmen and quick bowlers. This has meant that for these positions the shortage of English players was most acute.
The claim that foreigners "improve our game" has been bleated by apologists for foreign player for over 50 years and over those 50 years England has declined. The idiocy of allowing foreigners into county cricket can be seen by the fact that no other Test playing country allows huge numbers of foreign players into the domestic first class game or any foreigners at all.. The first thing Langland should do is ban all foreigners from the County Championship.

There are also serious problems with batting technique Attempts should be made to persuade batsmen to adopt orthodox stances and batsmen with the least unorthodox stances (eg Jake Libby of Worcestershire) given preference to them.

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On Monday, 20 December 2021 at 18:32:50 UTC, RH wrote:
> The foreigners flooded in.

Awww hark at him with his cod-Farage rhetoric.

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On Mon, 20 Dec 2021 12:44:21 -0800 (PST), Richard Dixon
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>On Monday, 20 December 2021 at 18:32:50 UTC, RH wrote:
>> The foreigners flooded in.
>
>Awww hark at him with his cod-Farage rhetoric.

Did you see how many foreigners are playing in the BBL? Floods of them
English ones and all.

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On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 8:56:46 PM UTC, max.it wrote:
> On Mon, 20 Dec 2021 12:44:21 -0800 (PST), Richard Dixon
> <richsdi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Monday, 20 December 2021 at 18:32:50 UTC, RH wrote:
> >> The foreigners flooded in.
> >
> >Awww hark at him with his cod-Farage rhetoric.
> Did you see how many foreigners are playing in the BBL? Floods of them
> English ones and all.
> max.it
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You should know by now that I do not give a damn about T20 except for the damage it does to our FC game..

No other Test playing country allows wholesale imports into their domestic FC game... . RH .

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On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 3:50:31 PM UTC, richsdi...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, 20 December 2021 at 15:32:16 UTC, RH wrote:
> > treason
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> LOL

By definition to favour those who are committed to damaging the country is treason, Next! RH

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