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* Using mobile phone as backhaul for a small networkHenry Law
`* Re: Using mobile phone as backhaul for a small networkJeff Gaines
 `* Re: Using mobile phone as backhaul for a small networkPhilip Herlihy
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 by: Henry Law - Tue, 11 Jan 2022 10:02 UTC

For some historical transgression I find myself organising the IT support
for a small sporting event in a month's time. I need to establish a
small network (two, maybe three laptops plus a small printer) with an
internet connection; the data requirements are quite small and there's no
need for lightning-fast responses either, so I'm planning to procure a
PAYG phone to do the internet bit. (This is all indoors, by the way).

The LAN is fine; I have a small switch and all the cables, and a WAP that
I can use if I need one.

The bit I'm not sure about is how to link the switch/router/whatever to
the phone itself. Some piece of kit sitting on the wired network
connects wirelessly to the phone, presumably, but what?

Or can I link the laptops direct via WiFi to the phone, which acts as
gateway? What to do with the printer, then, as it doesn't have built-in
WiFi?

--
Henry Law n e w s @ l a w s h o u s e . o r g
Manchester, England

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 by: Jeff Gaines - Tue, 11 Jan 2022 10:44 UTC

On 11/01/2022 in message <KL-dnYcMUIU_yED8nZ2dnUU7-QGdnZ2d@giganews.com>
Henry Law wrote:

>Or can I link the laptops direct via WiFi to the phone, which acts as
>gateway? What to do with the printer, then, as it doesn't have built-in
>WiFi?

I have had to use my mobile in a similar way on the process of moving.

The 'phone has a setting called "Portable Hotspot" which once set up and
turned on gives me Internet access via the 'phone network, it's connected
at 74 Mb/s which is faster than my old fibre broadband! It appears on the
laptop as just another WiFi Internet connection so easy to pick and
connect to. Be aware that as it connects via your mobile network you may
not get exactly what you would normally get in terms of facilities - i.e.
I can't get the Plusnet news groups while connected this way as they are
only available if you connect using Plusnet. I also discovered some odd
security, the SIM is from iD Mobile, which I think used Three, and I found
I couldn't connect to change.org as it was deemed an adult site!

I have only used it on my laptop but going to the network and sharing
centre (in Windows) I have the option to share it with other computers on
the network.

Don't know if that may be food for thought?

--
Jeff Gaines Wiltshire UK
640k ought to be enough for anyone.
(Bill Gates, 1981)

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 by: Philip Herlihy - Tue, 11 Jan 2022 11:21 UTC

In article <xn0ncqrglh9vpsg004@news.individual.net>, jgaines_newsid@yahoo.co.uk
says...
>
> On 11/01/2022 in message <KL-dnYcMUIU_yED8nZ2dnUU7-QGdnZ2d@giganews.com>
> Henry Law wrote:
>
> >Or can I link the laptops direct via WiFi to the phone, which acts as
> >gateway? What to do with the printer, then, as it doesn't have built-in
> >WiFi?
>
> I have had to use my mobile in a similar way on the process of moving.
>
> The 'phone has a setting called "Portable Hotspot" which once set up and
> turned on gives me Internet access via the 'phone network, it's connected
> at 74 Mb/s which is faster than my old fibre broadband! It appears on the
> laptop as just another WiFi Internet connection so easy to pick and
> connect to. Be aware that as it connects via your mobile network you may
> not get exactly what you would normally get in terms of facilities - i.e.
> I can't get the Plusnet news groups while connected this way as they are
> only available if you connect using Plusnet. I also discovered some odd
> security, the SIM is from iD Mobile, which I think used Three, and I found
> I couldn't connect to change.org as it was deemed an adult site!
>
> I have only used it on my laptop but going to the network and sharing
> centre (in Windows) I have the option to share it with other computers on
> the network.
>
> Don't know if that may be food for thought?

That's the way to go, and if you install the printer on one of the laptops you
can share it from there.

--

Phil, London

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Subject: Re: Using mobile phone as backhaul for a small network
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 by: Philip Herlihy - Tue, 11 Jan 2022 11:46 UTC

In article <MPG.3c477884fbc0fb1b989992@news.eternal-september.org>,
thiswillbounceback@you.com says...
>
> In article <xn0ncqrglh9vpsg004@news.individual.net>, jgaines_newsid@yahoo.co.uk
> says...
> >
> > On 11/01/2022 in message <KL-dnYcMUIU_yED8nZ2dnUU7-QGdnZ2d@giganews.com>
> > Henry Law wrote:
> >
> > >Or can I link the laptops direct via WiFi to the phone, which acts as
> > >gateway? What to do with the printer, then, as it doesn't have built-in
> > >WiFi?
> >
> > I have had to use my mobile in a similar way on the process of moving.
> >
> > The 'phone has a setting called "Portable Hotspot" which once set up and
> > turned on gives me Internet access via the 'phone network, it's connected
> > at 74 Mb/s which is faster than my old fibre broadband! It appears on the
> > laptop as just another WiFi Internet connection so easy to pick and
> > connect to. Be aware that as it connects via your mobile network you may
> > not get exactly what you would normally get in terms of facilities - i.e.
> > I can't get the Plusnet news groups while connected this way as they are
> > only available if you connect using Plusnet. I also discovered some odd
> > security, the SIM is from iD Mobile, which I think used Three, and I found
> > I couldn't connect to change.org as it was deemed an adult site!
> >
> > I have only used it on my laptop but going to the network and sharing
> > centre (in Windows) I have the option to share it with other computers on
> > the network.
> >
> > Don't know if that may be food for thought?
>
> That's the way to go, and if you install the printer on one of the laptops you
> can share it from there.

Just expanding on that a little. Most (all?) 'smartphones' can be configured
to share their incoming data connection to act as a "Mobile Hotspot". The
laptops could connect to that, but most WAPs can also be configured to act as a
"Bridge", where the WAP becomes a client of the smartphone and routes
connections to devices via Ethernet. That might possibly suit you better if
you can be bothered with the necessary manual study!

Make sure the mobile you're going to use has the hotspot facility, and choose
your SIM carefully: you won't want to be staring at 0 bars when you get there.
Wikipedia has this table (below) of UK 'MVNO's. Lebara runs over Vodafone and
Lycamobile runs over O2 for example, though you won't normally be getting the
best speeds the parent networks operate. These MVNOs often offer useful
'Plans' for 30 days with no contract, which can be a very good deal. Ofcom
have a coverage checker which could help you rule out non-starters for that
location, but do test with a real SIM in-situ before the event!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_Kingdom_mobile_virtual_network_ope
rators
https://checker.ofcom.org.uk/en-gb/mobile-coverage
If you're stuck for the necessary postcode, try this:
https://www.gridreferencefinder.com/os.php

--

Phil, London

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 by: Henry Law - Tue, 11 Jan 2022 19:28 UTC

On Tue, 11 Jan 2022 11:46:20 +0000, Philip Herlihy wrote:

> The laptops could connect to that, but most WAPs can also be configured
> to act as a "Bridge", where the WAP becomes a client of the smartphone
> and routes connections to devices via Ethernet.

Thank you both for helpful suggestions. I'll check the old phone I plan
to use to make sure it does hotspot, and I'll also examine the WAP I have
to see if it can be used in bridge mode. I'd much prefer that because
I'm not a Windows guy any more and in the past I've had horrible problems
with sharing stuff between machines.

--
Henry Law n e w s @ l a w s h o u s e . o r g
Manchester, England

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 by: Philip Herlihy - Sat, 15 Jan 2022 17:04 UTC

In article <SfidnQBjndHqR0D8nZ2dnUU7-dWdnZ2d@giganews.com>, news@lawshouse.org
says...
>
> On Tue, 11 Jan 2022 11:46:20 +0000, Philip Herlihy wrote:
>
> > The laptops could connect to that, but most WAPs can also be configured
> > to act as a "Bridge", where the WAP becomes a client of the smartphone
> > and routes connections to devices via Ethernet.
>
> Thank you both for helpful suggestions. I'll check the old phone I plan
> to use to make sure it does hotspot, and I'll also examine the WAP I have
> to see if it can be used in bridge mode. I'd much prefer that because
> I'm not a Windows guy any more and in the past I've had horrible problems
> with sharing stuff between machines.

I've found today that "Bridge" mode seems more often called "Client" mode these
days (showing my age). I also spotted that this modem/router (available in
Argos):
https://www.argos.co.uk/product/5728882
.... has a mode which allows it to use a SIM instead of a fixed line for the
incoming "broadband" connection. See section 4.5.2 of the manual: which is
linked as "View Document" on the page above.

--

Phil, London

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 by: Jeff Gaines - Sat, 15 Jan 2022 17:19 UTC

On 15/01/2022 in message
<MPG.3c4d0f1022ffd0f198999e@news.eternal-september.org> Philip Herlihy
wrote:

>In article <SfidnQBjndHqR0D8nZ2dnUU7-dWdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>news@lawshouse.org
>says...
>>
>>On Tue, 11 Jan 2022 11:46:20 +0000, Philip Herlihy wrote:
>>
>>>The laptops could connect to that, but most WAPs can also be configured
>>>to act as a "Bridge", where the WAP becomes a client of the smartphone
>>>and routes connections to devices via Ethernet.
>>
>>Thank you both for helpful suggestions. I'll check the old phone I plan
>>to use to make sure it does hotspot, and I'll also examine the WAP I have
>>to see if it can be used in bridge mode. I'd much prefer that because
>>I'm not a Windows guy any more and in the past I've had horrible problems
>>with sharing stuff between machines.
>
>I've found today that "Bridge" mode seems more often called "Client" mode
>these
>days (showing my age). I also spotted that this modem/router (available in
>Argos):
>https://www.argos.co.uk/product/5728882
>... has a mode which allows it to use a SIM instead of a fixed line for the
>incoming "broadband" connection. See section 4.5.2 of the manual: which is
>linked as "View Document" on the page above.

My TP-Link Archer VR2100 can do that. In view of the mess Plusnet is
making of transferring my broadband to the new house it's very tempting.

--
Jeff Gaines Wiltshire UK
It may be that your sole purpose in life is to serve as a warning to others.

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 by: SH - Sun, 16 Jan 2022 20:00 UTC

On 15/01/2022 17:19, Jeff Gaines wrote:
> On 15/01/2022 in message
> <MPG.3c4d0f1022ffd0f198999e@news.eternal-september.org> Philip Herlihy
> wrote:
>
>> In article <SfidnQBjndHqR0D8nZ2dnUU7-dWdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>> news@lawshouse.org
>> says...
>>>
>>> On Tue, 11 Jan 2022 11:46:20 +0000, Philip Herlihy wrote:
>>>
>>>> The laptops could connect to that, but most WAPs can also be configured
>>>> to act as a "Bridge", where the WAP becomes a client of the smartphone
>>>> and routes connections to devices via Ethernet.
>>>
>>> Thank you both for helpful suggestions. I'll check the old phone I plan
>>> to use to make sure it does hotspot, and I'll also examine the WAP I
>>> have
>>> to see if it can be used in bridge mode.  I'd much prefer that because
>>> I'm not a Windows guy any more and in the past I've had horrible
>>> problems
>>> with sharing stuff between machines.
>>
>> I've found today that "Bridge" mode seems more often called "Client"
>> mode these
>> days (showing my age).  I also spotted that this modem/router
>> (available in
>> Argos):
>> https://www.argos.co.uk/product/5728882
>> ... has a mode which allows it to use a SIM instead of a fixed line
>> for the
>> incoming "broadband" connection.  See section 4.5.2 of the manual:
>> which is
>> linked as "View Document" on the page above.
>
> My TP-Link Archer VR2100 can do that. In view of the mess Plusnet is
> making of transferring my broadband to the new house it's very tempting.
>

be careful to check the EXACT specifications....

SOME routers do have a slot for inserting a SIM card whereas SOME
routers support 3g/4g via the addition of a USB broadband dongle, and it
is the dongle you insert the SIM into, so if the latter, you will need
to budget for buying a USB 4g dongle

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From: new...@lawshouse.org (Henry Law)
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 by: Henry Law - Mon, 17 Jan 2022 13:17 UTC

On Sat, 15 Jan 2022 17:04:54 +0000, Philip Herlihy wrote:

> I also spotted that this modem/router (available in Argos):
> https://www.argos.co.uk/product/5728882 ... has a mode which allows it
> to use a SIM instead of a fixed line for the incoming "broadband"
> connection.

Well, well; there's a product for everything it seems. I'll keep that
one up my sleeve, because I have established that the WAP I have will do
"bridge mode" (which is what it's called in the manual), I have an old
phone that I can press into service, and I've just signed up for an ASDA
data-only SIM on a monthly contract, which of course I shall cancel as
soon as the event is over.

As soon as the SIM arrives I can legitimately play with technical toys
for an afternoon, working out how to set it up and all that. Bliss ...

This group, as ever, has been enormously helpful. Thank you all once
again.

--
Henry Law n e w s @ l a w s h o u s e . o r g
Manchester, England

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 by: Jeff Gaines - Mon, 17 Jan 2022 15:16 UTC

On 17/01/2022 in message <sP2dnY06Tarv8Xj8nZ2dnUU7-YGdnZ2d@giganews.com>
Henry Law wrote:

>As soon as the SIM arrives I can legitimately play with technical toys
>for an afternoon, working out how to set it up and all that. Bliss ...

Be very interested to know how it goes in case I have to do it one day :-)

--
Jeff Gaines Wiltshire UK
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