On Sat, 5 Nov 2022 22:59:42 -0700, Intelligent Party wrote:

> Women have an absolute right to separate from their fetuses at all
> times. Women with twenty weeks to abort, will be committed to their
> pregnancy, and not abort after twenty weeks, unless the baby is
> handicapped or dying. Women with less than twenty weeks to abort, may
> still be seeking abortions after twenty weeks. This is significant,
> because I believe there is no human spirit in the zygote from the point
> of conception to seventeen or twenty weeks. Life after death is real,
> and every religion confirms reincarnation. After twenty weeks, the
> spirit comes into the fetus at a different and indeterminate time up
> unto birth. This is my belief.
>
> The ONLY women who will abort after twenty weeks, besides those DENIED
> abortions before twenty weeks, are those who's babies are handicapped or
> dying. As to handicapped, should we really bring people into this world,
> and tell them to live handicapped their whole lives, without total
> bodies? What do we live for? Why incarnate at all? 1) Our bodies, 2)
> our minds, 3) our property, 4) our friends, 5) our careers. Life is
> just about science, art, and friends. So if you are like Stephen
> Hawking, OR have some really beloved friends, maybe you have a point.
> Otherwise miracles, or death seem the answer. And anyone could
> potentially reincarnate and be eight in eight years, if with amnesia.
>
> The fetus DOES NOT, own the woman's body. The woman's body is her own.
> Whether the woman intended to get pregnant but changed her mind, had an
> accident, or whether if hypothetically the baby attached itself up to
> the woman in her sleep, against her will from the beginning, BLAME has
> no place here. Porn stars are at risk of pregnancy, as a career. Rape
> victims cannot be blamed, yet how does that give you any more right to
> kill a fetus. The father doesn't have to carry the baby at all. The
> body is the woman's body, and that is one of the most fundamental
> things. Mothers and Fathers are not obligated to attach themselves back
> up to their children to save their lives later in life, nor are they
> obligated to give them a kidney.
>
> Unplanned childbirth is the scourge of nations. Even WITH ABORTION
> LEGAL, 37.5% of our society was unplanned. 1.5 million of 4 million
> babies born total every year, were unplanned and not conceived
> intentionally. Allowing babies to live is killing grown men. For every
> 1% unemployment goes up, 40,000 people die. There are currently 6
> million unemployed, and only 2 million people on unemployment insurance.
> There are no homes built and no business equity produced for the
> extreme increase in population.
>
> Two grown men do each, have a right to separate from the other, as they
> were NOT Siamese twins, both born owning the entire body, at birth.
>
> For instance, if I needed a kidney, and it was not going to be available
> for six months, and I was like, "bro, the doctors said I'm going to die
> in the next few days, if I'm not hooked up to somebody," Would you hook
> up to me? No, you would be like, "sorry bro, I don't know what you're
> going to do."
>
> But if I needed a kidney, and it was going to be available in two weeks,
> and I was like "bro, the doctors said I'm going to die in the next few
> days, if I'm not hooked up to somebody," if you were my friend, you
> could be like, "okay, we're going to do this. We'll sit and watch T.V.,
> or in the hospital for two weeks." And so then, we hooked up, and then
> the doctors were like, "that kidney is bad. There's not going to be a
> kidney for eight months." You would be like, "uhm, we're not going to
> be hooked up for eight months. We're disconnecting." And at my
> funeral, THEY could be like "Dude! he's dead cause of you!," and you
> could be like "any of you could have attached up to him for eight months
> (you even had a few days to do it), but you didn't!"
>
> This proves you have a right to detach from a grown man, and thereby the
> right to detach from a fetus that is a living baby, and therefore a
> person, even though it is is no longer a cadaver, even after a human
> spirit has come into it.
>
> When the preemie comes out early, and it's possible, are you going to
> put the preemie BACK IN the MOTHER, or attach it up to the FATHER? I
> mean, some parents might very well want to save their child. But
> prohibition of abortion is as if to perpetrate this is an additional
> REQUIREMENT.
>
> And women forced to not abort are forced to be surrogate mothers without
> pay.
>
>
> Also, being born with poor parents who didn't want you, is perhaps like
> being born handicapped. There are too many orphans and children of bad
> parents, mothers thirteen, fathers in prison, both are on drugs, in the
> world.
>
>
> You see the bodies in the movie Avatar in the incubation tanks, moving
> around, with no higher consciousness in them. Just because the fetus
> kicked doesn't mean it's conscious yet.
> https://youtu.be/5PSNL1qE6VY?t=88 It may or may not be, and how would
> we know? Just speculation. You know? I don't. You can convince me?
>
> If there's no human spirit in the zygote yet, it's absolutely immoral to
> NOT abort, because that's like getting pregnant! There's no human
> spirit in the first 17-18 weeks.
>
> Prohibition, and a free country are antithetical.
>
> People prohibiting abortion and other things are criminals as surely as
> Hitler was a criminal to prohibit Judaism, and mass incarcerate the
> Jews.
>
> You own your body, and no one has any rights over it, and that's a FACT!

I'd 'ave left NAZIs outta the argument,
but otherwise you make some salient points
I had not considered.

Dhu

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