A friends car has _very_ light scratches on the windscreen. is there any
way to remove them other than by using professionals like O'briens? ta,

--
"A mans got to know his limitations"
- clint Eastwood as Dirty Harry

On 17/7/21 2:48 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>
> A friends car has _very_ light scratches on the windscreen. is there any
> way to remove them other than by using professionals like O'briens? ta,
>
Jewellers rouge cerium oxide) used to be the go for buffing out
scratches in glass. But - the glass in car screens is tempered glass.
That makes it difficult to do on windscreens, or so I'm told. Never used
the jewellers rouge on a windscreen so can't say if it is more difficult
or not. Anyway, you have a start on what can be used. Google it.

--

Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 17/07/2021 2:48 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>
> A friends car has _very_ light scratches on the windscreen. is there any
> way to remove them other than by using professionals like O'briens? ta,

No.

--
--
--
Regards,
Noddy.

Xeno wrote:
>On 17/7/21 2:48 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>
>> A friends car has _very_ light scratches on the windscreen. is there any
>> way to remove them other than by using professionals like O'briens? ta,
>>
>Jewellers rouge cerium oxide) used to be the go for buffing out
>scratches in glass. But - the glass in car screens is tempered glass.

Most, if not all, modern car windsreens are laminated which isn't the
same as tempered glass. Tempered glass (safety glass) is the stuff
that breaks into small pieces instead of shattering into shards.

>That makes it difficult to do on windscreens, or so I'm told. Never used
>the jewellers rouge on a windscreen so can't say if it is more difficult
>or not. Anyway, you have a start on what can be used. Google it.

Jewellers rouge (ferric oxide) and cerium oxide aren't the same thing
(the latter is the norm for polishing glass) but I certainly wouldn't
be using either on a windsceen. Toothpaste is an age old remedy for
poshing out fine scratches scratches however it needs to be the right
type of toothpaste. Google would probably find the details.

--
John H

On 17/07/2021 3:44 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 17/07/2021 2:48 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>
>> A friends car has _very_ light scratches on the windscreen. is there
>> any way to remove them other than by using professionals like
>> O'briens? ta,
>
> No.
>
>

wrong as usual, it would seem..

https://www.amazon.com.au/Glass-Polishing-Compound-Pre-Mixed-Suspended/dp/B005M26N16/

https://autobuff.com.au/products/gtechniq-g4-nanotech-glass-polish

etc.,

--
"A mans got to know his limitations"
- clint Eastwood as Dirty Harry

On 17/07/2021 4:17 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 17/07/2021 3:44 pm, Noddy wrote:
>> On 17/07/2021 2:48 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>
>>> A friends car has _very_ light scratches on the windscreen. is there
>>> any way to remove them other than by using professionals like
>>> O'briens? ta,
>>
>> No.
>>
>>
>
> wrong as usual, it would seem..
>
> https://www.amazon.com.au/Glass-Polishing-Compound-Pre-Mixed-Suspended/dp/B005M26N16/
>
>
> https://autobuff.com.au/products/gtechniq-g4-nanotech-glass-polish
>
> etc.,

Yeah, right. They both look legit. Go for it and post the results :)

--
--
--
Regards,
Noddy.

On 17/07/2021 12:48 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>
> A friends car has _very_ light scratches on the windscreen. is there any
> way to remove them other than by using professionals like O'briens? ta,
>

Toothpaste. The cheap stuff that feels a bit gritty (for want of a
better description) is the one to use.

On 17/07/2021 2:17 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 17/07/2021 3:44 pm, Noddy wrote:
>> On 17/07/2021 2:48 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>
>>> A friends car has _very_ light scratches on the windscreen. is there
>>> any way to remove them other than by using professionals like
>>> O'briens? ta,
>>
>> No.
>>
>>
>
> wrong as usual, it would seem..
>
> https://www.amazon.com.au/Glass-Polishing-Compound-Pre-Mixed-Suspended/dp/B005M26N16/
>
>
> https://autobuff.com.au/products/gtechniq-g4-nanotech-glass-polish
>
> etc.,
>
>

Windscreen glass is laminated so you're not actually polishing glass
though those products may work.

Try toothpaste as mentioned in my other post would be my suggestion.

On Sat, 17 Jul 2021 14:48:35 +1000, Yosemite Sam <felix@invalid.com>
wrote:

>
>A friends car has _very_ light scratches on the windscreen. is there any
>way to remove them other than by using professionals like O'briens? ta,

What about the plastic headlight shields, plastic window rain guards
and tail-light covers etc. Toyota no longer stock replacements for
these. Can these be resurrected with some paste? They're going
milky too.

Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Jul 2021 14:48:35 +1000, Yosemite Sam <felix@invalid.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> A friends car has _very_ light scratches on the windscreen. is there any
>> way to remove them other than by using professionals like O'briens? ta,
>
> What about the plastic headlight shields, plastic window rain guards
> and tail-light covers etc. Toyota no longer stock replacements for
> these. Can these be resurrected with some paste? They're going
> milky too.
>

You can use the same stuff on those that you use on headlights. I use a
Turtle brand headlight cleaner for mine. A bottle goes a very long way

———
Xeno

On 18/7/21 9:28 am, Peter Jason wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Jul 2021 14:48:35 +1000, Yosemite Sam <felix@invalid.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> A friends car has _very_ light scratches on the windscreen. is there any
>> way to remove them other than by using professionals like O'briens? ta,
>
> What about the plastic headlight shields, plastic window rain guards
> and tail-light covers etc. Toyota no longer stock replacements for
> these. Can these be resurrected with some paste? They're going
> milky too.
>

Those are usually made of poly-carbonate and there are lots of products
on the market specifically made to polish and clean them, most auto
parts shops stock it.

--
Daryl

On 18/7/21 2:04 am, Clocky wrote:
> On 17/07/2021 12:48 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>
>> A friends car has _very_ light scratches on the windscreen. is there
>> any way to remove them other than by using professionals like
>> O'briens? ta,
>>
>
> Toothpaste. The cheap stuff that feels a bit gritty (for want of a
> better description) is the one to use.

I've tried that on glass. Didn't work well enough.

--

Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 18/07/2021 10:44 am, Xeno wrote:
> On 18/7/21 2:04 am, Clocky wrote:
>> On 17/07/2021 12:48 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>
>>> A friends car has _very_ light scratches on the windscreen. is there
>>> any way to remove them other than by using professionals like
>>> O'briens? ta,
>>>
>>
>> Toothpaste. The cheap stuff that feels a bit gritty (for want of a
>> better description) is the one to use.
>
> I've tried that on glass. Didn't work well enough.
>

Windscreen glass is laminated. Can work on laminate, DVD's etc.

On 19/7/21 10:25 am, Clocky wrote:
> On 18/07/2021 10:44 am, Xeno wrote:
>> On 18/7/21 2:04 am, Clocky wrote:
>>> On 17/07/2021 12:48 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>
>>>> A friends car has _very_ light scratches on the windscreen. is there
>>>> any way to remove them other than by using professionals like
>>>> O'briens? ta,
>>>>
>>>
>>> Toothpaste. The cheap stuff that feels a bit gritty (for want of a
>>> better description) is the one to use.
>>
>> I've tried that on glass. Didn't work well enough.
>>
>
> Windscreen glass is laminated. Can work on laminate, DVD's etc.

Yeah, I used it on DVD's and resurrected a couple. But they are
polycarbonate, much softer than glass.

--

Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 19/07/2021 8:40 am, Xeno wrote:
> On 19/7/21 10:25 am, Clocky wrote:
>> On 18/07/2021 10:44 am, Xeno wrote:
>>> On 18/7/21 2:04 am, Clocky wrote:
>>>> On 17/07/2021 12:48 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> A friends car has _very_ light scratches on the windscreen. is
>>>>> there any way to remove them other than by using professionals like
>>>>> O'briens? ta,
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Toothpaste. The cheap stuff that feels a bit gritty (for want of a
>>>> better description) is the one to use.
>>>
>>> I've tried that on glass. Didn't work well enough.
>>>
>>
>> Windscreen glass is laminated. Can work on laminate, DVD's etc.
>
> Yeah, I used it on DVD's and resurrected a couple. But they are
> polycarbonate, much softer than glass.
>

So is laminate on the windscreens.

That's the point.

On 19/7/21 10:48 am, Clocky wrote:
> On 19/07/2021 8:40 am, Xeno wrote:
>> On 19/7/21 10:25 am, Clocky wrote:
>>> On 18/07/2021 10:44 am, Xeno wrote:
>>>> On 18/7/21 2:04 am, Clocky wrote:
>>>>> On 17/07/2021 12:48 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A friends car has _very_ light scratches on the windscreen. is
>>>>>> there any way to remove them other than by using professionals
>>>>>> like O'briens? ta,
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Toothpaste. The cheap stuff that feels a bit gritty (for want of a
>>>>> better description) is the one to use.
>>>>
>>>> I've tried that on glass. Didn't work well enough.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Windscreen glass is laminated. Can work on laminate, DVD's etc.
>>
>> Yeah, I used it on DVD's and resurrected a couple. But they are
>> polycarbonate, much softer than glass.
>>
>
> So is laminate on the windscreens.
>
> That's the point.
>
>
I thought the laminate was between the layers of glass? The glass on my
windscreen chips like glass, unfortunately.

--

Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 19/07/2021 11:04 am, Xeno wrote:
> On 19/7/21 10:48 am, Clocky wrote:
>> On 19/07/2021 8:40 am, Xeno wrote:
>>> On 19/7/21 10:25 am, Clocky wrote:
>>>> On 18/07/2021 10:44 am, Xeno wrote:
>>>>> On 18/7/21 2:04 am, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>> On 17/07/2021 12:48 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A friends car has _very_ light scratches on the windscreen. is
>>>>>>> there any way to remove them other than by using professionals
>>>>>>> like O'briens? ta,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Toothpaste. The cheap stuff that feels a bit gritty (for want of
>>>>>> a better description) is the one to use.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've tried that on glass. Didn't work well enough.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Windscreen glass is laminated. Can work on laminate, DVD's etc.
>>>
>>> Yeah, I used it on DVD's and resurrected a couple. But they are
>>> polycarbonate, much softer than glass.
>>>
>>
>> So is laminate on the windscreens.
>>
>> That's the point.
>>
>>
> I thought the laminate was between the layers of glass? The glass on
> my windscreen chips like glass, unfortunately.
>

that's what I thought

--
"A mans got to know his limitations"
- clint Eastwood as Dirty Harry

On 19/07/2021 11:17 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 19/07/2021 11:04 am, Xeno wrote:
>> On 19/7/21 10:48 am, Clocky wrote:

>>>> Yeah, I used it on DVD's and resurrected a couple. But they are
>>>> polycarbonate, much softer than glass.
>>>>
>>>
>>> So is laminate on the windscreens.
>>>
>>> That's the point.
>>>
>>>
>> I thought the laminate was between the layers of glass? The glass on
>> my windscreen chips like glass, unfortunately.
>>
>
> that's what I thought

Gawd *look* at these clueless cunts in action, will you? "Licenced
Mechanics" allegedly, and between them they can't work out something as
basic as a laminated windscreen :)

Just to clue you in fella's, laminated glass is two pieces of glass
bonded together with a thin layer of plastic film in between them. The
laminate isn't "on" the windscreen, it's in the middle of the windscreen
between the two sheets of glass and isn't accessible.

Fucking hell. Even my mother knows that :)

As for polishing scratches, automotive glass is hard but it's not
"toughened". As John_H pointed out the other day, "toughened" glass is
the old style windscreen material that shatters into a million small
pieces when it breaks and laminated screens don't use that. Automotive
glass is made to a particular standard that is somewhat harder than
domestic household glass, and only the very finest of barely visible
scratches would ever have a hope of being removed by hand.

Generally, if you can see it clearly it's not coming out without a
dedicated glass polishing buff.

--
--
--
Regards,
Noddy.

On 7/19/2021 11:04 AM, Xeno wrote:
> On 19/7/21 10:48 am, Clocky wrote:
>> On 19/07/2021 8:40 am, Xeno wrote:
>>> On 19/7/21 10:25 am, Clocky wrote:
>>>> On 18/07/2021 10:44 am, Xeno wrote:
>>>>> On 18/7/21 2:04 am, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>> On 17/07/2021 12:48 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A friends car has _very_ light scratches on the windscreen. is
>>>>>>> there any way to remove them other than by using professionals
>>>>>>> like O'briens? ta,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Toothpaste. The cheap stuff that feels a bit gritty (for want of
>>>>>> a better description) is the one to use.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've tried that on glass. Didn't work well enough.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Windscreen glass is laminated. Can work on laminate, DVD's etc.
>>>
>>> Yeah, I used it on DVD's and resurrected a couple. But they are
>>> polycarbonate, much softer than glass.
>>>
>>
>> So is laminate on the windscreens.
>>
>> That's the point.
>>
>>
> I thought the laminate was between the layers of glass? The glass on
> my windscreen chips like glass, unfortunately.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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On 18/7/21 2:10 am, Clocky wrote:
> On 17/07/2021 2:17 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 17/07/2021 3:44 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>> On 17/07/2021 2:48 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>
>>>> A friends car has _very_ light scratches on the windscreen. is there
>>>> any way to remove them other than by using professionals like
>>>> O'briens? ta,
>>>
>>> No.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> wrong as usual, it would seem..
>>
>> https://www.amazon.com.au/Glass-Polishing-Compound-Pre-Mixed-Suspended/dp/B005M26N16/
>>
>>
>> https://autobuff.com.au/products/gtechniq-g4-nanotech-glass-polish
>>
>> etc.,
>>
>>
>
>
> Windscreen glass is laminated so you're not actually polishing glass
> though those products may work.
>
> Try toothpaste as mentioned in my other post would be my suggestion.
What do you think laminated glass is ?

On 19/7/21 10:48 am, Clocky wrote:
> On 19/07/2021 8:40 am, Xeno wrote:
>> On 19/7/21 10:25 am, Clocky wrote:
>>> On 18/07/2021 10:44 am, Xeno wrote:
>>>> On 18/7/21 2:04 am, Clocky wrote:
>>>>> On 17/07/2021 12:48 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A friends car has _very_ light scratches on the windscreen. is
>>>>>> there any way to remove them other than by using professionals
>>>>>> like O'briens? ta,
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Toothpaste. The cheap stuff that feels a bit gritty (for want of a
>>>>> better description) is the one to use.
>>>>
>>>> I've tried that on glass. Didn't work well enough.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Windscreen glass is laminated. Can work on laminate, DVD's etc.
>>
>> Yeah, I used it on DVD's and resurrected a couple. But they are
>> polycarbonate, much softer than glass.
>>
>
> So is laminate on the windscreens.
>
> That's the point.
>
>
The laminate refers to two bits of glass stuck together with a plastic
substance the surface is still glass and can be polished with cerium
oxide (so could the laminating substance for that matter if it were
possible to get at it :) )

On 19/7/21 3:18 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 19/07/2021 11:17 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 19/07/2021 11:04 am, Xeno wrote:
>>> On 19/7/21 10:48 am, Clocky wrote:
>
>>>>> Yeah, I used it on DVD's and resurrected a couple. But they are
>>>>> polycarbonate, much softer than glass.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So is laminate on the windscreens.
>>>>
>>>> That's the point.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I thought the laminate was between the layers of glass? The glass on
>>> my windscreen chips like glass, unfortunately.
>>>
>>
>> that's what I thought
>
> Gawd *look* at these clueless cunts in action, will you? "Licenced
> Mechanics" allegedly, and between them they can't work out something as
> basic as a laminated windscreen :)
>
> Just to clue you in fella's, laminated glass is two pieces of glass
> bonded together with a thin layer of plastic film in between them. The
> laminate isn't "on" the windscreen, it's in the middle of the windscreen
> between the two sheets of glass and isn't accessible.
>
> Fucking hell. Even my mother knows that :)
>
> As for polishing scratches, automotive glass is hard but it's not
> "toughened". As John_H pointed out the other day, "toughened" glass is
> the old style windscreen material that shatters into a million small
> pieces when it breaks and laminated screens don't use that. Automotive
> glass is made to a particular standard that is somewhat harder than
> domestic household glass, and only the very finest of barely visible
> scratches would ever have a hope of being removed by hand.
>
> Generally, if you can see it clearly it's not coming out without a
> dedicated glass polishing buff.
>
>
>
>
> Toughened glass can also be polished with cerium oxide (method is
another conversation)

On 18/7/21 9:28 am, Peter Jason wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Jul 2021 14:48:35 +1000, Yosemite Sam <felix@invalid.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> A friends car has _very_ light scratches on the windscreen. is there any
>> way to remove them other than by using professionals like O'briens? ta,
>
> What about the plastic headlight shields, plastic window rain guards
> and tail-light covers etc. Toyota no longer stock replacements for
> these. Can these be resurrected with some paste? They're going
> milky too.
>
Cerium oxide will work on those too.

On 19/07/2021 9:04 am, Xeno wrote:
> On 19/7/21 10:48 am, Clocky wrote:
>> On 19/07/2021 8:40 am, Xeno wrote:
>>> On 19/7/21 10:25 am, Clocky wrote:
>>>> On 18/07/2021 10:44 am, Xeno wrote:
>>>>> On 18/7/21 2:04 am, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>> On 17/07/2021 12:48 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A friends car has _very_ light scratches on the windscreen. is
>>>>>>> there any way to remove them other than by using professionals
>>>>>>> like O'briens? ta,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Toothpaste. The cheap stuff that feels a bit gritty (for want of a
>>>>>> better description) is the one to use.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've tried that on glass. Didn't work well enough.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Windscreen glass is laminated. Can work on laminate, DVD's etc.
>>>
>>> Yeah, I used it on DVD's and resurrected a couple. But they are
>>> polycarbonate, much softer than glass.
>>>
>>
>> So is laminate on the windscreens.
>>
>> That's the point.
>>
>>
> I thought the laminate was between the layers of glass?

So did I, but it looked like it was also on the outside.

The glass on my
> windscreen chips like glass, unfortunately.
>

I just had another look, this time properly and you are right. The outer
layer is thin glass which makes sense.

Good thing I never claimed to be a glazier ;-)

On 19/07/2021 7:56 pm, F Murtz wrote:
> On 19/7/21 10:48 am, Clocky wrote:
>> On 19/07/2021 8:40 am, Xeno wrote:
>>> On 19/7/21 10:25 am, Clocky wrote:
>>>> On 18/07/2021 10:44 am, Xeno wrote:
>>>>> On 18/7/21 2:04 am, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>> On 17/07/2021 12:48 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A friends car has _very_ light scratches on the windscreen. is
>>>>>>> there any way to remove them other than by using professionals
>>>>>>> like O'briens? ta,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Toothpaste. The cheap stuff that feels a bit gritty (for want of a
>>>>>> better description) is the one to use.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've tried that on glass. Didn't work well enough.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Windscreen glass is laminated. Can work on laminate, DVD's etc.
>>>
>>> Yeah, I used it on DVD's and resurrected a couple. But they are
>>> polycarbonate, much softer than glass.
>>>
>>
>> So is laminate on the windscreens.
>>
>> That's the point.
>>
>>
> The laminate refers to two bits of glass stuck together with a plastic
> substance

Yes I know laminate is sandwiched by definition between the panes but
when I looked at my broken windscreen at a casual glance noted what
looked to be laminate on the outside as well. I've had a proper look and
that's not the case, the very thin outer glass has come away from the
laminating material.

I was wrong, IOW.

the surface is still glass and can be polished with cerium
> oxide (so could the laminating substance for that matter if it were
> possible to get at it :) )

Yep.