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Re: Dangerous cars

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From: notgo...@happen.com (Clocky)
Newsgroups: aus.cars
Subject: Re: Dangerous cars
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2022 20:11:45 +0800
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 by: Clocky - Thu, 22 Sep 2022 12:11 UTC

On 22/09/2022 7:39 pm, Xeno wrote:
> Noddy <me@home.com> wrote:
>> On 22/09/2022 9:07 pm, jonz wrote:
>>> On 9/22/2022 8:00 PM, Noddy wrote:
>>
>>>>>   I agree, with the safety aspect,  but since you`ve snipped, and
>>>>> (again) changed the context i`m ignoring the rest.
>>>>
>>>> There was no context change. There was no goalpost shift. Daryl's
>>>> point was a completely valid one in that the roadworthy inspection
>>>> failed on a trivial aesthetic point that made not the *slightest* bit
>>>> of difference to the vehicle's safety whereas items that could were
>>>> ignored or missed.
>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>
>>> *SO* why was it not taken *further*??
>>
>> By who? Daryl or the Licensed tester?
>>
>> That's something you'll have to put to them, but the point is that this
>> particular test highlighted perfectly how completely inadequate such
>> tests can be when it comes to determining if a vehicle is safe to use on
>> a public road.
>>
>>>> The point in this, which seems to go so far over your head that the
>>>> RAAF Roulettes could perform their most complicated routine in the
>>>> gap, is that the "safety inspection" carried out was a load of fucking
>>>> bullshit that made zero difference to the safety of the vehicle.
>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>
>>>  *I SAID* just that!!. I`m over this, I`ts a waste of time.. over and
>>> out!.
>>
>> And yet you keep replying because....
>>
>> Don't worry. I'm done. I think the point in all this was lost on you
>> some time ago.
>>
> Darren’s admitting defeat. He won’t call it that but a defeat it is
> nonetheless. Run away Darren, run, run, run!
>
> ____
> Xeno
>
>

He usually sticks his chest out, throws about unwarranted abuse and
proclaims victory but he's trying to keep his village idiot on side it
seems.

He can't afford to lose his proxy.

--
keith on the 7 Oct 2021 wrote;
"He asserts that the claim is true, so, if
it is unproven, he is lying."

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From: dwalf...@westpine.com.au (Daryl)
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Subject: Re: Dangerous cars
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 by: Daryl - Thu, 22 Sep 2022 12:49 UTC

On 22/9/2022 8:56 pm, jonz wrote:
> On 9/20/2022 10:20 AM, Noddy wrote:
>> On 20/09/2022 9:38 am, Daryl wrote:
>>> On 20/9/2022 9:21 am, Noddy wrote:
>>
>>>> Read the comments. The car was knocked back on a completely trivial
>>>> point that made no difference to anything other than how the car
>>>> *looked*, while other more significant points were either missed or
>>>> ignored. It was a perfect example of the ineffectiveness of
>>>> roadworthy inspections, and how they can often be nothing more than
>>>> going through the motions that achieves nothing other than an
>>>> exchange of money.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Its possible that the NSW is a lot less of a pita than ours which is
>>> most likely why he thinks its a good idea, if it was the same in Vic
>>> and only cost $43pa and only took a half hour pa then we would have a
>>> lot less to complain about and just maybe our attitude towards annual
>>> checks might change.
>>
>> Possibly.
>>
>> For mine it's not so much the cost, but the idea of forcing people
>> into a process where there is no evidence that said process actually
>> *does* anything. As I've said a couple of times now, if vehicle
>> condition was a significant contributing factor to accident statistics
>> we'd see the results of that here in Victoria and lobby groups from
>> all walks would be calling for change to rectify it.
>>
>>> Problem is Govt systems like RWC get entrenched and don't get changed
>>> easily so its unlikely ours will change for the better anytime soon.
>>
>> There is no doubt in my mind that the entire roadworthy system needs a
>> massive overhaul, and I'd be in favour of moving away from arbitrary
>> roadworthy inspections which can be easily fudged in favour of random
>> roadside testing with heavy penalties for those who's vehicles are not
>> kept up to scratch.
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>  This already occurs in QLD and ACT.
>>
>>
>
>
In Vic the only time you need a RWC is if a car is sold/bought, in
theory the onus is on the seller to supply a RWC but that doesn't always
happen, its open to negotiation between the seller and buyer except if
the seller is a dealer.
The rest of the time anyone can be randomly stopped by the Police for a
roadworthy check but that rarely happens, what is more likely to happen
is someone will get stopped by the Police for some other reason and they
will then do a look around the car.
In 52yrs of driving I've never had the Police do a RW check on any car
I've been driving, in my experience if you keep the obvious things such
as lights and tyres looking OK they will leave you alone.

--
Daryl

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 by: alvey - Thu, 22 Sep 2022 19:42 UTC

Noddy <me@home.com> wrote in news:tghavv$23ojc$1@dont-email.me:

> On 22/09/2022 6:29 pm, jonz wrote:
>> On 9/19/2022 6:27 PM, Noddy wrote:
>
>>> There is a fair element of the car driving public who have no idea
>>> about what their car does or doesn't need and rely on "experts" to
>>> take care of it for them. Whether that makes them gullible or not is
>>> beside the point. The point is that if they're told their car has an
>>> issue that needs to be addressed the number who wouldn't question it
>>> and just want it fixed to they can be on their way would surprise
>>> *many* people.
>>
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>
>> However, you apparently *know* this, and *everyone* else is a fool?.
>> Whodathunkit....
>
> As someone who has spent a couple of years as a dealership service
> manager along with many more years running my own service and repair
> business I have a reasonable amount of experience in dealing with
> service customers.

Silly troll.
It's way too late to matter Fraudster, but I don't believe there's a
single poster left who believes your claim of owning the fabled NA of
SIE.

snip unread

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 by: alvey - Thu, 22 Sep 2022 19:48 UTC

Noddy <me@home.com> wrote in news:tghbb1$23pg4$1@dont-email.me:

> On 22/09/2022 6:45 pm, jonz wrote:
>> On 9/20/2022 9:58 PM, Noddy wrote:
>
>>>> How the fuck do you come to *that* conclusion from what I said??...
>>>
>>> Pretty easy actually. You seem to be talking on behalf of "shops"
>>> and how they carry out their business.
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>
>>  I`m Simply talking about what I *know*.
>>
>>  If that's *not* what you were doing
>
> That's exactly right. I'm not talking on behalf of anyone. Can't say
> the same about you though.
>
>>> then your point wasn't exactly clear. Either way, I'm at a loss to
>>> understand how you would be in any position to know.
>>
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>
>>  Position to know??. Read what i`ve written you ignoramus.
>
> What you wrote was this, and I quote:
>
>> Pigs arse. Some shops don`t bother with a "ticket", citing nothing
>> in it for them, red tape, and interfering with routine in the shop.
>> (OK of course if they get a decent job out of it.)
>
> End quote.
>
> You were talking about "shops", and what they do. The question of "how
> would you be in any position to know" is valid.

LOL!
It sure is Fraudster. You should answer it...

alvey

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 by: alvey - Thu, 22 Sep 2022 20:00 UTC

Clocky <notgonna@happen.com> wrote in news:tghje6$24g2s$1@dont-email.me:

> On 22/09/2022 7:39 pm, Xeno wrote:
>> Noddy <me@home.com> wrote:
>>> On 22/09/2022 9:07 pm, jonz wrote:
>>>> On 9/22/2022 8:00 PM, Noddy wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>   I agree, with the safety aspect,  but since you`ve snipped,
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> (again) changed the context i`m ignoring the rest.
>>>>>
>>>>> There was no context change. There was no goalpost shift. Daryl's
>>>>> point was a completely valid one in that the roadworthy inspection
>>>>> failed on a trivial aesthetic point that made not the *slightest*
>>>>> bit of difference to the vehicle's safety whereas items that could
>>>>> were ignored or missed.
>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>>
>>>> *SO* why was it not taken *further*??
>>>
>>> By who? Daryl or the Licensed tester?
>>>
>>> That's something you'll have to put to them, but the point is that
>>> this particular test highlighted perfectly how completely inadequate
>>> such tests can be when it comes to determining if a vehicle is safe
>>> to use on a public road.
>>>
>>>>> The point in this, which seems to go so far over your head that
>>>>> the RAAF Roulettes could perform their most complicated routine in
>>>>> the gap, is that the "safety inspection" carried out was a load of
>>>>> fucking bullshit that made zero difference to the safety of the
>>>>> vehicle.
>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>>
>>>>  *I SAID* just that!!. I`m over this, I`ts a waste of time.. over
>>>> and
>>>> out!.
>>>
>>> And yet you keep replying because....
>>>
>>> Don't worry. I'm done. I think the point in all this was lost on you
>>> some time ago.
>>>
>> Darren’s admitting defeat. He won’t call it that but a defeat it
>> is nonetheless. Run away Darren, run, run, run!
>>
>> ____
>> Xeno
>>
>>
>
> He usually sticks his chest out, throws about unwarranted abuse and
> proclaims victory but he's trying to keep his village idiot on side it
> seems.
>
> He can't afford to lose his proxy.
>

Yes, it was fun watching the Fraudster trying to restrain himself. Plus,
to paraphrase GBS, it was also fun to watch the illiterate in pursuit of
the illegitimate.

alvey

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 by: jonz - Sat, 24 Sep 2022 08:09 UTC

On 9/22/2022 7:42 PM, Noddy wrote:
> On 22/09/2022 3:41 pm, jonz wrote:
>> On 9/20/2022 9:55 PM, Noddy wrote:
>
>>> Just for curiosity sake, and I would imagine a fair whack of
>>> amusement value as well, how have you been able to observe a
>>> statistic that *didn't* happen?
>>
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>   Just for shits and giggles:
>>
>>     There is.......*lies, Damn lies, and statistics!.*
>>
>>          Where are your cites?...Why do you *Have no answers* all the
>> while rubbishing what I say??.
>
> I would have thought this was obvious, but apparently not. Try reading
> this a couple of times. Slowly if you need to, so it sinks in.
>
> What I'm saying to you is that there *is* no credible evidence to show
> that annual vehicle testing makes any difference to anything. None.
> Nothing. Nada. Not a *single* *fucking* *thing*. The data, as in the
> Monash study you posted earlier today, is *inconclusive*, which is
> exactly what I've been saying from the get-go.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

There is *plenty* in there backing yearly checks.
So, you are now telling me that you`ve read it all? every page?
But you will sure as hell ignore that which you dont like/agree
with.. :))))

BTW, *Still *no* cites* lift yer game.
>
> Let me say it again for those who have trouble with basic English: There
> is no credible evidence that proves that annual vehicle safety
> inspections make any difference to crash statistics.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Uh-huh, big claim!!. :)))
>
> You claim the opposite, and in fact said you've seen the results of it
> "in the flesh", but you don't seem to be too keen to go into detail.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I did/have. Results from up and down the FSC. Which Ive mentioned two or
three times now.
>
> Go figure....
>
>
>

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 by: jonz - Sat, 24 Sep 2022 08:21 UTC

On 9/22/2022 7:49 PM, Noddy wrote:
> On 22/09/2022 6:40 pm, jonz wrote:
>> On 9/19/2022 6:22 PM, Noddy wrote:
>
>>>>   "repairs" in inverted comma`s eh? Anyone that thinks they have
>>>> suffered a *ripoff* has their copy of the 'fail' and retest document
>>>> to provide to fair trading or whomever..As I keep saying everything
>>>> to do with vehicles in NSW is duplicate/triplicate.....
>>>
>>> You're living in La-La land if you think the practice of people
>>> paying for unnecessary repairs is a myth.
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~`
>> `
>> A myth?. Putting words in my mouth now?.
>>    I did *not* suggest that at all!. happens every day in all walks of
>> life.
>>     What I wrote above ^^^^^^ applies.
>
> To be honest it's not exactly clear what you're saying...
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Honest?, you? in this thread?...Nup!.
>
>>
>>   Dealerships have made their living
>>> out of precisely that for Eons, and I'd happily bet the farm on the
>>> fact that there have been more than a few people fleeced out of some
>>> of their hard-earned cash when they're at the mercy of someone who
>>> holds power over their ability to re-register their car.
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>
>> Holds power??....HOW?? do tell. Elaborate!.
>
> If you don't pass your test, can you renew your registration?
>
>
>

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 by: jonz - Sat, 24 Sep 2022 08:31 UTC

On 9/22/2022 7:47 PM, Noddy wrote:
> On 22/09/2022 6:29 pm, jonz wrote:
>> On 9/19/2022 6:27 PM, Noddy wrote:
>
>>> There is a fair element of the car driving public who have no idea
>>> about what their car does or doesn't need and rely on "experts" to
>>> take care of it for them. Whether that makes them gullible or not is
>>> beside the point. The point is that if they're told their car has an
>>> issue that needs to be addressed the number who wouldn't question it
>>> and just want it fixed to they can be on their way would surprise
>>> *many* people.
>>
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>
>> However, you apparently *know* this, and *everyone* else is a fool?.
>> Whodathunkit....
>
> As someone who has spent a couple of years as a dealership service
> manager along with many more years running my own service and repair
> business I have a reasonable amount of experience in dealing with
> service customers.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
UH HUH.
>
>> Btw, A lot of defects (most even) mean the driver has 21 days to
>> repair whatever, and are free to get repairs done anywhere they
>> choose. AND, Be *on their way* immediately!. If the examiner finds a
>> *dangerous* defect the owner can get it repaired where it is, *OR* get
>> it *towed* to be repaired elsewhere...
>
> So what? No one said they were a captive audience and that they were
> obligated to have a tester repair their car just because a fault was
> found during a test.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~`
````
This from *YOU*:

"Dealerships have made their living
>>> out of precisely that for Eons, and I'd happily bet the farm on the
>>> fact that there have been more than a few people fleeced out of some
>>> of their hard-earned cash when **they're at the mercy of someone who
>>> holds power over their ability to re-register their car."**

============

*Fleeced*, **they're at the mercy of someone who
*holds power* over their ability to re-register their car."**

*YOU* said/implied They *Had to pay the man*.. There and then!!.

>
>
>

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 by: Noddy - Sat, 24 Sep 2022 11:56 UTC

On 24/09/2022 6:31 pm, jonz wrote:
> On 9/22/2022 7:47 PM, Noddy wrote:
>> On 22/09/2022 6:29 pm, jonz wrote:
>>> On 9/19/2022 6:27 PM, Noddy wrote:
>>
>>>> There is a fair element of the car driving public who have no idea
>>>> about what their car does or doesn't need and rely on "experts" to
>>>> take care of it for them. Whether that makes them gullible or not is
>>>> beside the point. The point is that if they're told their car has an
>>>> issue that needs to be addressed the number who wouldn't question it
>>>> and just want it fixed to they can be on their way would surprise
>>>> *many* people.
>>>
>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>
>>> However, you apparently *know* this, and *everyone* else is a fool?.
>>> Whodathunkit....
>>
>> As someone who has spent a couple of years as a dealership service
>> manager along with many more years running my own service and repair
>> business I have a reasonable amount of experience in dealing with
>> service customers.
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>   UH HUH.
>>
>>> Btw, A lot of defects (most even) mean the driver has 21 days to
>>> repair whatever, and are free to get repairs done anywhere they
>>> choose. AND, Be *on their way* immediately!. If the examiner finds a
>>> *dangerous* defect the owner can get it repaired where it is, *OR*
>>> get it *towed* to be repaired elsewhere...
>>
>> So what? No one said they were a captive audience and that they were
>> obligated to have a tester repair their car just because a fault was
>> found during a test.
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~`
> ````
>  This from *YOU*:
>
>                 "Dealerships have made their living
> >>> out of precisely that for Eons, and I'd happily bet the farm on the
> >>> fact that there have been more than a few people fleeced out of some
> >>> of their hard-earned cash when **they're at the mercy of someone who
> >>> holds power over their ability to re-register their car."**
>
>                             ============
>
>      *Fleeced*,   **they're at the mercy of someone who
>  *holds power* over their ability to re-register their car."**
>
>  *YOU* said/implied They *Had to pay the man*.. There and then!!.
Give it up, for fuck's sake. You have absolutely no idea what you're
talking about.

--
--
Regards,
Noddy.

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 by: Xeno - Sat, 24 Sep 2022 12:19 UTC

On 24/9/2022 9:56 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 24/09/2022 6:31 pm, jonz wrote:
>> On 9/22/2022 7:47 PM, Noddy wrote:
>>> On 22/09/2022 6:29 pm, jonz wrote:
>>>> On 9/19/2022 6:27 PM, Noddy wrote:
>>>
>>>>> There is a fair element of the car driving public who have no idea
>>>>> about what their car does or doesn't need and rely on "experts" to
>>>>> take care of it for them. Whether that makes them gullible or not
>>>>> is beside the point. The point is that if they're told their car
>>>>> has an issue that needs to be addressed the number who wouldn't
>>>>> question it and just want it fixed to they can be on their way
>>>>> would surprise *many* people.
>>>>
>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>>
>>>> However, you apparently *know* this, and *everyone* else is a fool?.
>>>> Whodathunkit....
>>>
>>> As someone who has spent a couple of years as a dealership service
>>> manager along with many more years running my own service and repair
>>> business I have a reasonable amount of experience in dealing with
>>> service customers.
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>    UH HUH.
>>>
>>>> Btw, A lot of defects (most even) mean the driver has 21 days to
>>>> repair whatever, and are free to get repairs done anywhere they
>>>> choose. AND, Be *on their way* immediately!. If the examiner finds a
>>>> *dangerous* defect the owner can get it repaired where it is, *OR*
>>>> get it *towed* to be repaired elsewhere...
>>>
>>> So what? No one said they were a captive audience and that they were
>>> obligated to have a tester repair their car just because a fault was
>>> found during a test.
>>
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~`
>> ````
>>   This from *YOU*:
>>
>>                  "Dealerships have made their living
>>  >>> out of precisely that for Eons, and I'd happily bet the farm on the
>>  >>> fact that there have been more than a few people fleeced out of some
>>  >>> of their hard-earned cash when **they're at the mercy of someone who
>>  >>> holds power over their ability to re-register their car."**
>>
>>                              ============
>>
>>       *Fleeced*,   **they're at the mercy of someone who
>>   *holds power* over their ability to re-register their car."**
>>
>>   *YOU* said/implied They *Had to pay the man*.. There and then!!.
> Give it up, for fuck's sake. You have absolutely no idea what you're
> talking about.
>
Darren, that's projection right there! You are the one who knows not
what you are talking about and you make that very clear. Keep posting,
reinforcement is good! ;-)
>
> --
> --
> Regards,
> Noddy.

--
Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

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 by: alvey - Sat, 24 Sep 2022 19:43 UTC

Noddy <me@home.com> wrote in news:tgmr96$2vfuk$1@dont-email.me:

> Give it up, for fuck's sake. You have absolutely no idea what you're
> talking about.

"I'm at a loss to understand how you would be in any position to know".
Fraudster, 20Sep22

Still waiting for your explanation of how the fabled Noddys garage of the
Slough Industrial Estate had a registered Place of Business of your parents
house. How's that work Fraudster?

alvey

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 by: Clocky - Sat, 24 Sep 2022 23:57 UTC

On 24/09/2022 7:56 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 24/09/2022 6:31 pm, jonz wrote:
>> On 9/22/2022 7:47 PM, Noddy wrote:
>>> On 22/09/2022 6:29 pm, jonz wrote:
>>>> On 9/19/2022 6:27 PM, Noddy wrote:
>>>
>>>>> There is a fair element of the car driving public who have no idea
>>>>> about what their car does or doesn't need and rely on "experts" to
>>>>> take care of it for them. Whether that makes them gullible or not
>>>>> is beside the point. The point is that if they're told their car
>>>>> has an issue that needs to be addressed the number who wouldn't
>>>>> question it and just want it fixed to they can be on their way
>>>>> would surprise *many* people.
>>>>
>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>>
>>>> However, you apparently *know* this, and *everyone* else is a fool?.
>>>> Whodathunkit....
>>>
>>> As someone who has spent a couple of years as a dealership service
>>> manager along with many more years running my own service and repair
>>> business I have a reasonable amount of experience in dealing with
>>> service customers.
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>    UH HUH.
>>>
>>>> Btw, A lot of defects (most even) mean the driver has 21 days to
>>>> repair whatever, and are free to get repairs done anywhere they
>>>> choose. AND, Be *on their way* immediately!. If the examiner finds a
>>>> *dangerous* defect the owner can get it repaired where it is, *OR*
>>>> get it *towed* to be repaired elsewhere...
>>>
>>> So what? No one said they were a captive audience and that they were
>>> obligated to have a tester repair their car just because a fault was
>>> found during a test.
>>
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~`
>> ````
>>   This from *YOU*:
>>
>>                  "Dealerships have made their living
>>  >>> out of precisely that for Eons, and I'd happily bet the farm on the
>>  >>> fact that there have been more than a few people fleeced out of some
>>  >>> of their hard-earned cash when **they're at the mercy of someone who
>>  >>> holds power over their ability to re-register their car."**
>>
>>                              ============
>>
>>       *Fleeced*,   **they're at the mercy of someone who
>>   *holds power* over their ability to re-register their car."**
>>
>>   *YOU* said/implied They *Had to pay the man*.. There and then!!.
> Give it up, for fuck's sake. You have absolutely no idea what you're
> talking about.
>
>

Naw... poor Noddy. His own words come back to bite him in the arse *again*.

You'll never learn will you...

--
keith on the 7 Oct 2021 wrote;
"He asserts that the claim is true, so, if
it is unproven, he is lying."

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 by: Xeno - Sun, 25 Sep 2022 00:12 UTC

On 25/9/2022 9:57 am, Clocky wrote:
> On 24/09/2022 7:56 pm, Noddy wrote:
>> On 24/09/2022 6:31 pm, jonz wrote:
>>> On 9/22/2022 7:47 PM, Noddy wrote:
>>>> On 22/09/2022 6:29 pm, jonz wrote:
>>>>> On 9/19/2022 6:27 PM, Noddy wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> There is a fair element of the car driving public who have no idea
>>>>>> about what their car does or doesn't need and rely on "experts" to
>>>>>> take care of it for them. Whether that makes them gullible or not
>>>>>> is beside the point. The point is that if they're told their car
>>>>>> has an issue that needs to be addressed the number who wouldn't
>>>>>> question it and just want it fixed to they can be on their way
>>>>>> would surprise *many* people.
>>>>>
>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>>>
>>>>> However, you apparently *know* this, and *everyone* else is a
>>>>> fool?. Whodathunkit....
>>>>
>>>> As someone who has spent a couple of years as a dealership service
>>>> manager along with many more years running my own service and repair
>>>> business I have a reasonable amount of experience in dealing with
>>>> service customers.
>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>    UH HUH.
>>>>
>>>>> Btw, A lot of defects (most even) mean the driver has 21 days to
>>>>> repair whatever, and are free to get repairs done anywhere they
>>>>> choose. AND, Be *on their way* immediately!. If the examiner finds
>>>>> a *dangerous* defect the owner can get it repaired where it is,
>>>>> *OR* get it *towed* to be repaired elsewhere...
>>>>
>>>> So what? No one said they were a captive audience and that they were
>>>> obligated to have a tester repair their car just because a fault was
>>>> found during a test.
>>>
>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~`
>>> ````
>>>   This from *YOU*:
>>>
>>>                  "Dealerships have made their living
>>>  >>> out of precisely that for Eons, and I'd happily bet the farm on the
>>>  >>> fact that there have been more than a few people fleeced out of
>>> some
>>>  >>> of their hard-earned cash when **they're at the mercy of someone
>>> who
>>>  >>> holds power over their ability to re-register their car."**
>>>
>>>                              ============
>>>
>>>       *Fleeced*,   **they're at the mercy of someone who
>>>   *holds power* over their ability to re-register their car."**
>>>
>>>   *YOU* said/implied They *Had to pay the man*.. There and then!!.
>> Give it up, for fuck's sake. You have absolutely no idea what you're
>> talking about.
>>
>>
>
> Naw... poor Noddy. His own words come back to bite him in the arse *again*.
>
> You'll never learn will you...
>
No hope whatsoever of that!

--
Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

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 by: Xeno - Sun, 25 Sep 2022 00:46 UTC

On 25/9/2022 5:43 am, alvey wrote:
> Noddy <me@home.com> wrote in news:tgmr96$2vfuk$1@dont-email.me:
>
>
>
>> Give it up, for fuck's sake. You have absolutely no idea what you're
>> talking about.
>
> "I'm at a loss to understand how you would be in any position to know".
> Fraudster, 20Sep22
>
> Still waiting for your explanation of how the fabled Noddys garage of the
> Slough Industrial Estate had a registered Place of Business of your parents
> house. How's that work Fraudster?
>
>
>
> alvey

Not hard to explain. His business was never anything more than a mere
*business registration*. Write up a few details, pay a fee, have the
business name registered. Darren linking his business registration to
premises in the Slough Estate of Altona is pure imagination and wishful
thinking on his part. He doesn't know enough about how a real motor
garage works to ever convince anyone that he actually did own a working
motor garage in *real premises*. I still remember how he said it wasn't
worth doing wheel alignments because they didn't generate enough income.
FFS, every wheel alignment *pre-inspection* had the potential to
generate income. And did. After all, people brought cars in for a wheel
alignment when, say, their tyres were scrubbing out, they were getting a
clunk in the steering on turns or the car was pulling one way or the
other. I did shitloads of wheel alignments in the trade and I saw those
wheel alignments generate scads of ball joint, bushing and shocker
replacement jobs - which I then generally had to carry out. Sometimes
the wheel alignment itself indicated issues that needed rectification -
like a bent steering arm or damaged steering knuckle. Very hard to
detect and isolate those without an aligner but they will evidence
themselves in tyre wear or steering pulling.
Nope Darren hasn't a clue how a properly set up garage actually works.

--
Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

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 by: keithr0 - Sun, 25 Sep 2022 06:51 UTC

On 18/09/2022 1:09 pm, jonz wrote:

> Tho, in the ACT its Govco. They have
> dedicated facilities good system..)

Not for a long time now, tests are done by authorised garages. The old
system was thorough but a complete pain in the arse. You either needed
to turn up at sparrows fart and wait for them to open or take half a day
off work and sit in a queue for hours before being knocked back on some
minor thing. OTOH if you sold your car across the border in NSW you
could get a good price for it.

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 by: keithr0 - Sun, 25 Sep 2022 07:03 UTC

On 18/09/2022 11:00 pm, Daryl wrote:
> On 18/9/2022 9:13 pm, Noddy wrote:
>> On 18/09/2022 1:20 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>> On 18/9/2022 12:38 pm, jonz wrote:
>>
>>> There are approx 5.9million registered vehicles in NSW, at $43 each
>>> PA that's $253million dollars worth of inspection cost and if it
>>> takes .5hr per inspection that's about 2.95million hours of peoples
>>> time lost which is a massive amount of lost productivity.
>>> Up to you whether or not you think its worth it or not, without any
>>> data that proves that it makes any difference to road trauma I don't
>>> think its justified.
>>
>> Workshops love it. It guarantees an income stream :)
>>
>>
>
> If they love it they must be making money repairing the defects they
> find because they wouldn't be making much from the inspections alone.
>
You are under no obligation to get the defects fixed by the testing
garage, in fact, when I lived in Nambucca the local testing station was
the Bridgestone tyre dealer, so any mechanical repairs had to be taken
elsewhere.

OTOH when I lived in Massachusetts, you had to get an annual inspection.
If the vehicle passed, you got a sticker on the windscreen. The first
thing that they did when you went in for an inspection was to scrape the
old sticker off. Since it was illegal to drive a car without one, you
had to get any fault found by them done there. Bastards!

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 by: Daryl - Sun, 25 Sep 2022 07:51 UTC

On 25/9/2022 5:03 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 18/09/2022 11:00 pm, Daryl wrote:
>> On 18/9/2022 9:13 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>> On 18/09/2022 1:20 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>> On 18/9/2022 12:38 pm, jonz wrote:
>>>
>>>> There are approx 5.9million registered vehicles in NSW, at $43 each
>>>> PA that's $253million dollars worth of inspection cost and if it
>>>> takes .5hr per inspection that's about 2.95million hours of peoples
>>>> time lost which is a massive amount of lost productivity.
>>>> Up to you whether or not you think its worth it or not, without any
>>>> data that proves that it makes any difference to road trauma I don't
>>>> think its justified.
>>>
>>> Workshops love it. It guarantees an income stream :)
>>>
>>>
>>
>> If they love it they must be making money repairing the defects they
>> find because they wouldn't be making much from the inspections alone.
>>
> You are under no obligation to get the defects fixed by the testing
> garage, in fact, when I lived in Nambucca the local testing station was
> the Bridgestone tyre dealer, so any mechanical repairs had to be taken
> elsewhere.

Maybe they made money by selling you tyres after they defected yours:-)
>
> OTOH when I lived in Massachusetts, you had to get an annual inspection.
> If the vehicle passed, you got a sticker on the windscreen. The first
> thing that they did when you went in for an inspection was to scrape the
> old sticker off. Since it was illegal to drive a car without one, you
> had to get any fault found by them done there. Bastards!

Sounds like a lot of potential for corruption, find dubious defects so
they can charge you to fix them.

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 by: lindsay - Sun, 25 Sep 2022 07:57 UTC

On 25/09/2022 10:46 am, Xeno wrote:
> On 25/9/2022 5:43 am, alvey wrote:
>> Noddy <me@home.com> wrote in news:tgmr96$2vfuk$1@dont-email.me:
>>
>>
>>
>>> Give it up, for fuck's sake. You have absolutely no idea what you're
>>> talking about.
>>
>> "I'm at a loss to understand how you would be in any position to know".
>> Fraudster, 20Sep22
>>
>> Still waiting for your explanation of how the fabled Noddys garage of the
>> Slough Industrial Estate had a registered Place of Business of your
>> parents
>> house. How's that work Fraudster?

What's a "Registered Place of Business" Dumbo? Perhaps try "registered
office" There's a registered office, and a place of business.. 2
completely different things.

from
https://lawpath.com.au/blog/whats-difference-registered-office-principal-place-business

Registered Office
The registered office is where all communications and notices to the
company will be sent. It is not necessarily the company’s head office or
principal place of business. It can be, and often is, at the company’s
accountants or lawyers, or at one of the director’s home or office
addresses.

My place of business in a factory in Mordialloc, (not much longer!!) and
the Registered office of said business was in Prahan Market, South
Yarra. All legal and correct.

>> alvey
>
> Not hard to explain. His business was never anything more than a mere
> *business registration*.

You have proof, shit-fer-brains? No? No suprise. Just Tomas Clasener
shooting from the lip, as per usual.

> Write up a few details, pay a fee, have the
> business name registered. Darren linking his business registration

You fucking idiots have *no idea* . Your business acumen on show yet
again....

> premises in the Slough Estate of Altona is pure imagination and wishful
> thinking on his part. He doesn't know enough about how a real motor
> garage works to ever convince anyone that he actually did own a working
> motor garage in *real premises*. I still remember how he said it wasn't
> worth doing wheel alignments because they didn't generate enough income.

Yep, And I remember you were asked 3 times to prove this, and you ran
away 3 times....

> FFS, every wheel alignment *pre-inspection* had the potential to
> generate income. And did. After all, people brought cars in for a wheel
> alignment when, say, their tyres were scrubbing out, they were getting a
> clunk in the steering on turns or the car was pulling one way or the
> other. I did shitloads of wheel alignments in the trade

how long ago, Tomas.. 40 years? More? The 2 practising mechanics I've
used in the last 10 years BOTH send any front end work to the local tyre
shop, Highway Tyres, because they have the facilities to do an alignment
*after parts have been fitted or works done*.

and I saw those
> wheel alignments generate scads of ball joint, bushing and shocker
> replacement jobs - which I then generally had to carry out.

Amazing. This wasnt mentioned previously.. what a surprise.!! Or you're
making it up...

Sometimes
> the wheel alignment itself indicated issues that needed rectification -
> like a bent steering arm or damaged steering knuckle. Very hard to
> detect and isolate those without an aligner but they will evidence
> themselves in tyre wear or steering pulling.
> Nope Darren hasn't a clue how a properly set up garage actually works.

And you do. plastic crates and all... you sad sack of shit, Tomas Clasener.
>

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 by: Noddy - Sun, 25 Sep 2022 11:35 UTC

On 25/09/2022 5:57 pm, lindsay wrote:
> On 25/09/2022 10:46 am, Xeno wrote:

>>> Still waiting for your explanation of how the fabled Noddys garage of
>>> the
>>> Slough Industrial Estate had a registered Place of Business of your
>>> parents
>>> house. How's that work Fraudster?
>
> What's a "Registered Place of Business" Dumbo? Perhaps try "registered
> office" There's a registered office, and a place of business.. 2
> completely different things.
>
> from
> https://lawpath.com.au/blog/whats-difference-registered-office-principal-place-business
>
>
> Registered Office
> The registered office is where all communications and notices to the
> company will be sent. It is not necessarily the company’s head office or
> principal place of business. It can be, and often is, at the company’s
> accountants or lawyers, or at one of the director’s home or office
> addresses.
>
> My place of business in a factory in Mordialloc, (not much longer!!) and
> the Registered office of said business was in Prahan Market, South
> Yarra. All legal and correct.

These imbeciles have absolutely no fucking idea.

>> Not hard to explain. His business was never anything more than a mere
>> *business registration*.
>
> You have proof, shit-fer-brains? No? No suprise. Just Tomas Clasener
> shooting from the lip, as per usual.
>
>> Write up a few details, pay a fee, have the business name registered.
>> Darren linking his business registration
>
> You fucking idiots have *no idea* . Your business acumen on show yet
> again....

Don't be too hard. Remember, Clasener was the entrepreneur who sold hard
drives. Remember that claim? Faulty drives that had been sent all the
way back to Japan to be repaired, and then sent all the way back to Oz
again *just* so he could sell the things out of the boot of his car :)

The sum total of his business experience. Some fucked up fairytale that
exists in his head :)

>> premises in the Slough Estate of Altona is pure imagination and
>> wishful thinking on his part. He doesn't know enough about how a real
>> motor garage works to ever convince anyone that he actually did own a
>> working motor garage in *real premises*. I still remember how he said
>> it wasn't worth doing wheel alignments because they didn't generate
>> enough income.
>
> Yep, And I remember you were asked 3 times to prove this, and you ran
> away 3 times....

Yep, Weak as piss.

>> FFS, every wheel alignment *pre-inspection* had the potential to
>> generate income. And did. After all, people brought cars in for a
>> wheel alignment when, say, their tyres were scrubbing out, they were
>> getting a clunk in the steering on turns or the car was pulling one
>> way or the other. I did shitloads of wheel alignments in the trade
>
> how long ago, Tomas.. 40 years? More?  The 2 practising mechanics I've
> used in the last 10 years BOTH send any front end work to the local tyre
> shop, Highway Tyres, because they have the facilities to do an alignment
> *after parts have been fitted or works done*.

Exactly. It's like doing transmission repair. Most mainstream repair
shops could do it if they wanted to, but they don't bother because it
makes more sense to sublet the job out to people who do it all the time
and get *them* to do it.

> and I saw those
>> wheel alignments generate scads of ball joint, bushing and shocker
>> replacement jobs - which I then generally had to carry out.
>
> Amazing. This wasnt mentioned previously.. what a surprise.!! Or you're
> making it up...

His revisionist history is astonishingly good :)

>  Sometimes
>> the wheel alignment itself indicated issues that needed rectification
>> - like a bent steering arm or damaged steering knuckle. Very hard to
>> detect and isolate those without an aligner but they will evidence
>> themselves in tyre wear or steering pulling.
>> Nope Darren hasn't a clue how a properly set up garage actually works.
>
> And you do. plastic crates and all... you sad sack of shit, Tomas Clasener.

There is *seriously* something wrong with *anyone* calling themselves a
"mechanic" if they need to carry out a wheel alignment to tell if there
is something wrong with a steering or suspension component, but then
this kind of ridiculous crap coming from an utter *moron* who doesn't
understand carburettors or brake systems should not surprise anyone in
the least.

This is the utter imbecile who likes to make a noise about his business
acumen, yet screamed "A real mechanic would have rebuilt that diff" when
I showed pics of the hundred series Cruiser that lunched on it's own
parts and that the owner had opted for a second hand diff centre. He
jumped up and down about how a "real mechanic" would repair the damage
rather than fit a used centre, yet seemed totally oblivious to the fact
that the decision about *how* the car got repaired was up to the guy
paying the fucking bill.

Sound like someone who has a modicum of "business experience" to you?
Nah, not to me either, but then we all know that Clueless Clasener's
"business experience" is absolutely zip. In fact, his experience at
*anything* in the last 25 years is absolutely fuck nothing, but yet on
and on he rambles as if he's still actively engaged on a daily basis :)

He's the most irrelevant piece of redundant shit you could imagine :)

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Noddy.

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 by: Noddy - Sun, 25 Sep 2022 11:40 UTC

On 25/09/2022 5:03 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 18/09/2022 11:00 pm, Daryl wrote:

>> If they love it they must be making money repairing the defects they
>> find because they wouldn't be making much from the inspections alone.
>>
> You are under no obligation to get the defects fixed by the testing
> garage, in fact, when I lived in Nambucca the local testing station was
> the Bridgestone tyre dealer, so any mechanical repairs had to be taken
> elsewhere.

No one said you *were* obligated to have repairs done by whoever carries
out an inspection, and in fact I don't know of any state or territory
where that is the case. The argument was whether or not some testers
tell a few porkies to generate a few sales, and I'm sure they do. It
happens down here in some places that advertise free "20 point safety
inspections" where there is no requirement for an annual test.

I could tell you a few stories about the shonks who do that. Most of
them are brake and exhaust specialists.

> OTOH when I lived in Massachusetts, you had to get an annual inspection.
> If the vehicle passed, you got a sticker on the windscreen. The first
> thing that they did when you went in for an inspection was to scrape the
> old sticker off. Since it was illegal to drive a car without one, you
> had to get any fault found by them done there. Bastards!

Honest business types by the sounds of it.

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 by: Noddy - Sun, 25 Sep 2022 11:41 UTC

On 25/09/2022 5:51 pm, Daryl wrote:
> On 25/9/2022 5:03 pm, keithr0 wrote:

>> OTOH when I lived in Massachusetts, you had to get an annual
>> inspection. If the vehicle passed, you got a sticker on the
>> windscreen. The first thing that they did when you went in for an
>> inspection was to scrape the old sticker off. Since it was illegal to
>> drive a car without one, you had to get any fault found by them done
>> there. Bastards!
>
> Sounds like a lot of potential for corruption, find dubious defects so
> they can charge you to fix them.

It's been going on for years. Happens here in Vic too. Motorists should
be *very* wary of any repair establishment that advertises a "free
safety inspection".

--
--
--
Regards,
Noddy.

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 by: Daryl - Sun, 25 Sep 2022 12:36 UTC

On 25/9/2022 5:57 pm, lindsay wrote:
> On 25/09/2022 10:46 am, Xeno wrote:
>> On 25/9/2022 5:43 am, alvey wrote:
>>> Noddy <me@home.com> wrote in news:tgmr96$2vfuk$1@dont-email.me:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Give it up, for fuck's sake. You have absolutely no idea what you're
>>>> talking about.
>>>
>>> "I'm at a loss to understand how you would be in any position to know".
>>> Fraudster, 20Sep22
>>>
>>> Still waiting for your explanation of how the fabled Noddys garage of
>>> the
>>> Slough Industrial Estate had a registered Place of Business of your
>>> parents
>>> house. How's that work Fraudster?
>
> What's a "Registered Place of Business" Dumbo? Perhaps try "registered
> office" There's a registered office, and a place of business.. 2
> completely different things.
>
> from
> https://lawpath.com.au/blog/whats-difference-registered-office-principal-place-business
>
> Registered Office
> The registered office is where all communications and notices to the
> company will be sent. It is not necessarily the company’s head office or
> principal place of business. It can be, and often is, at the company’s
> accountants or lawyers, or at one of the director’s home or office
> addresses.
>
> My place of business in a factory in Mordialloc, (not much longer!!) and
> the Registered office of said business was in Prahan Market, South
> Yarra. All legal and correct.

Usually your accountants office address is your "registered office" but
you wouldn't expect someone who knows nothing about business to know that.

>>
>> Not hard to explain. His business was never anything more than a mere
>> *business registration*.
>
> You have proof, shit-fer-brains? No? No suprise. Just Tomas Clasener
> shooting from the lip, as per usual.
>
>> Write up a few details, pay a fee, have the business name registered.
>> Darren linking his business registration
>
> You fucking idiots have *no idea* . Your business acumen on show yet
> again....
>
>> premises in the Slough Estate of Altona is pure imagination and
>> wishful thinking on his part. He doesn't know enough about how a real
>> motor garage works to ever convince anyone that he actually did own a
>> working motor garage in *real premises*. I still remember how he said
>> it wasn't worth doing wheel alignments because they didn't generate
>> enough income.
>
> Yep, And I remember you were asked 3 times to prove this, and you ran
> away 3 times....
>
>> FFS, every wheel alignment *pre-inspection* had the potential to
>> generate income. And did. After all, people brought cars in for a
>> wheel alignment when, say, their tyres were scrubbing out, they were
>> getting a clunk in the steering on turns or the car was pulling one
>> way or the other. I did shitloads of wheel alignments in the trade
>
>
> how long ago, Tomas.. 40 years? More?  The 2 practising mechanics I've
> used in the last 10 years BOTH send any front end work to the local tyre
> shop, Highway Tyres, because they have the facilities to do an alignment
> *after parts have been fitted or works done*.

Good wheel alignment setups are expensive and they take up space that
can be better used for other better paying work so very few smaller
workshops have them, anyone who knows anything about car workshops
should know that.
You don't need a wheel aligner to detect front end faults, once you have
found and fixed the fault you just send the car out to have an alignment
done.
In my experience wheel alignments are a bit of an up selling scam that
tyre shops tell customers that they must have, last time I had a wheel
alignment of a car was so long ago I can't remember when but it was at
least 25yrs ago so not much of a money maker for small workshops unless
they sell a lot of tyres.

--
Daryl

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 by: Xeno - Sun, 25 Sep 2022 13:55 UTC

On 25/9/2022 9:35 pm, Noddy wrote:
>> On 25/09/2022 10:46 am, Xeno wrote:
>
>>>> Still waiting for your explanation of how the fabled Noddys garage
>>>> of the
>>>> Slough Industrial Estate had a registered Place of Business of your
>>>> parents
>>>> house. How's that work Fraudster?
>>
> These imbeciles have absolutely no fucking idea.

Way more idea than you Darren. Your claim of NA of Altona is as fake as
you are.
>
>>> Not hard to explain. His business was never anything more than a mere
>>> *business registration*.
>>> Write up a few details, pay a fee, have the business name registered.
>>> Darren linking his business registration

> Don't be too hard. Remember, Clasener was the entrepreneur who sold hard
> drives. Remember that claim? Faulty drives that had been sent all the
> way back to Japan to be repaired, and then sent all the way back to Oz

Japan, Singapore, Malaysia, India, USA, et al. I also sold brand new WD
drives plus other HDD related hardware, Tandon Hardcards were one such.

> again *just* so he could sell the things out of the boot of his car :)

Not sold out of the boot of my car, I just used a car to *deliver* the
drives. In fact I occasionally rented cars, Falcon wagons typically, to
make deliveries to Sydney and other parts of NSW. I had a regular
customer in Coogee and I used the occasions to take the family for a
holiday now and then.
You really don't have a clue how importers/wholesalers operate, do you?
For sure you don't have a clue how manufacturers RMA systems operated.
>
> The sum total of his business experience. Some fucked up fairytale that
> exists in his head :)

Sorry to disappoint! All the fairytales exist in your own head! You
really need to stop *projecting*. That little business kept me going
when housing interest rates were 18%. At one stage it was bringing in
more money than my full time teaching job when, for a six month period,
I had a particular hard drive no one else in Australia could supply -
the Commodore D9060 and D9090 drives which, with an adapter, worked
perfectly on the Commodore 64. It helped me get my primary house paid
off in 13 years instead of 20.
>
>>> premises in the Slough Estate of Altona is pure imagination and
>>> wishful thinking on his part. He doesn't know enough about how a real
>>> motor garage works to ever convince anyone that he actually did own a
>>> working motor garage in *real premises*. I still remember how he said
>>> it wasn't worth doing wheel alignments because they didn't generate
>>> enough income.
>
> Yep, Weak as piss.

Yes Darren, it was a weak as piss claim. Again, no evidence exists that
you ever owned Noddy's Automotive of Altona.
>
>>> FFS, every wheel alignment *pre-inspection* had the potential to
>>> generate income. And did. After all, people brought cars in for a
>>> wheel alignment when, say, their tyres were scrubbing out, they were
>>> getting a clunk in the steering on turns or the car was pulling one
>>> way or the other. I did shitloads of wheel alignments in the trade
>>
>
> Exactly. It's like doing transmission repair. Most mainstream repair
> shops could do it if they wanted to, but they don't bother because it
> makes more sense to sublet the job out to people who do it all the time
> and get *them* to do it.

It's just a trend Darren. It's a trend that began during my
apprenticeship and continues to this day. Nothing new there. But all the
large enterprises in which I worked had a wheel aligner. Only the
smallest didn't. IIRC, you said your *claimed business* had a wheel
aligner but you didn't use it because *there was no money in it*. At the
time I thought you didn't *know* how to use it. I didn't realise back
then that *every claim you made* was fake so not only did you not have a
wheel aligner, you didn't have a business nor any trade qualifications.
So you have no clue, still, on how to use a wheel aligner.
>
>> and I saw those
>>> wheel alignments generate scads of ball joint, bushing and shocker
>>> replacement jobs - which I then generally had to carry out.
>>
>
> His revisionist history is astonishingly good :)

I have mentioned this prior. It's what has to be done before *any* wheel
alignment is carried out. So, if you find something wrong, like worn tie
rods (common), worn ball joints (common) and any other steering
component. For instance, the idler arm bush on Chryslers was always
loose if the vehicle had any amount of miles up. Try to do toe
adjustment and you'll get different readings every time, ditto for
certain ball joint wear and highly likely with tie rod end wear. If you
had ever been trained as a mechanic, this would be common knowledge with
you - but since you never did an apprenticeship, it is no surprise you
haven't a clue. This statement remains true and proves - you have no
clue, still, on how to use a wheel aligner.
>
>>   Sometimes
>>> the wheel alignment itself indicated issues that needed rectification
>>> - like a bent steering arm or damaged steering knuckle. Very hard to
>>> detect and isolate those without an aligner but they will evidence
>>> themselves in tyre wear or steering pulling.
>>> Nope Darren hasn't a clue how a properly set up garage actually works.
>>
>
> There is *seriously* something wrong with *anyone* calling themselves a
> "mechanic" if they need to carry out a wheel alignment to tell if there
> is something wrong with a steering or suspension component, but then

And this shows you really do not have a clue what a decent wheel aligner
can tell you. The classic example is a bent steering knuckle. Such a
thing will give you tyre wear and poor steering characteristics. You can
correct the caster, camber and toe all you like - get them spot on - and
still you will have issues. In this case a wheel aligner is a vital tool
to *eliminate* an issue that spreads fault symptoms *everywhere*.

> this kind of ridiculous crap coming from an utter *moron* who doesn't
> understand carburettors or brake systems should not surprise anyone in
> the least.

Ooh Darren, easy to see you're hurting now! So nice to see you still
read every post I make. ;-)
>
> This is the utter imbecile who likes to make a noise about his business
> acumen, yet screamed "A real mechanic would have rebuilt that diff" when
> I showed pics of the hundred series Cruiser that lunched on it's own
> parts and that the owner had opted for a second hand diff centre. He
> jumped up and down about how a "real mechanic" would repair the damage
> rather than fit a used centre, yet seemed totally oblivious to the fact
> that the decision about *how* the car got repaired was up to the guy
> paying the fucking bill.
>
> Sound like someone who has a modicum of "business experience" to you?
> Nah, not to me either, but then we all know that Clueless Clasener's
> "business experience" is absolutely zip. In fact, his experience at
> *anything* in the last 25 years is absolutely fuck nothing, but yet on
> and on he rambles as if he's still actively engaged on a daily basis :)
>
> He's the most irrelevant piece of redundant shit you could imagine :)

Yep, you're really hurting. It shows!

--
Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

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lindsay <nope@nunnya.business.com.au> wrote in
news:bSTXK.329929$wLZ8.198085@fx18.iad:

> On 25/09/2022 10:46 am, Xeno wrote:
>> On 25/9/2022 5:43 am, alvey wrote:
>>> Noddy <me@home.com> wrote in news:tgmr96$2vfuk$1@dont-email.me:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Give it up, for fuck's sake. You have absolutely no idea what
>>>> you're talking about.
>>>
>>> "I'm at a loss to understand how you would be in any position to
>>> know". Fraudster, 20Sep22
>>>
>>> Still waiting for your explanation of how the fabled Noddys garage
>>> of the Slough Industrial Estate had a registered Place of Business
>>> of your parents
>>> house. How's that work Fraudster?
>
> What's a "Registered Place of Business" Dumbo? Perhaps try "registered
> office" There's a registered office, and a place of business.. 2
> completely different things.

Best you take your bleat to ASIC. They show the fabled Noddy's
Automotives' "Historic principal place of business" exactly where I said
it was. Did I also mention that it was only registered for the period
1993-96? Odd hey? Can you explain that?

alvey

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Noddy <me@home.com> wrote in news:tgpedp$3aivg$1@dont-email.me:

> On 25/09/2022 5:57 pm, lindsay wrote:
>> On 25/09/2022 10:46 am, Xeno wrote:
>
>>>> Still waiting for your explanation of how the fabled Noddys garage
>>>> of the
>>>> Slough Industrial Estate had a registered Place of Business of your
>>>> parents
>>>> house. How's that work Fraudster?
>>
>> What's a "Registered Place of Business" Dumbo? Perhaps try
>> "registered office" There's a registered office, and a place of
>> business.. 2 completely different things.
>>
>> from
>> https://lawpath.com.au/blog/whats-difference-registered-office-princip
>> al-place-business
>>
>>
>> Registered Office
>> The registered office is where all communications and notices to the
>> company will be sent. It is not necessarily the company’s head
>> office or principal place of business. It can be, and often is, at
>> the company’s accountants or lawyers, or at one of the director’s
>> home or office addresses.
>>
>> My place of business in a factory in Mordialloc, (not much longer!!)
>> and the Registered office of said business was in Prahan Market,
>> South Yarra. All legal and correct.
>
> These imbeciles have absolutely no fucking idea.

Lol!
Jeez Fraudster! If us imbeciles can effortlessly expose you as a fraud,
serial liar, hyper-hypocrite et al then imagine what clever people could
do to you! Crikey! The fire brigade would have to hose what's left of you
down the drains. And decontaminate the site. Obviously.

Anyhoo Fraudster... So why was Noddy's Automotive only registered for 3
years?

alvey


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