It seems from what I can tell, that councils, Railways stations and others
have made a decision to handle no more money and not produce real parking
indications of sale. Instead you need a smart phone app, and you enter the
registration of your car, and payment details. In some you are allowed to
put in your start time etc, in others you can elect to let the cameras tell
when you were there.
Apart from the ability for this to go badly wrong, it seems that those
using the system have failed to take into account that many people do not
have a smart mobile, or do not bring their mobile out to the shops with
them, with the result that they park all over the adjoining roads or just
park and hope.
Is this a thing country wide? Not that it worries me directly, but it looks
once again like an idea which does not actually work for many people who
don't have a smart phone or the ability to do very much on one.

I'd have thought some kind of alternate system should be provided, such as a
pay over the phone within 24 hours or get a fine system.
There is normally just the name of an app on the signs I'm told, which is
silly.
Brian

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Not the case here, about 40 miles west of London. The council car parks use
conventional machines that don't use smart phones at all. The station is
primarily a smart phone app but we can also pay at the railway ticket
booth. Just as well - I'm not keen on smart phones, though I have one.
SWMBO refuses to have one.

"Brian Gaff" <brian1gaff@gmail.com> wrote in
news:tsvd1p$n91e$1@dont-email.me:

> It seems from what I can tell, that councils, Railways stations and
> others have made a decision to handle no more money and not produce
> real parking indications of sale. Instead you need a smart phone app,
> and you enter the registration of your car, and payment details. In
> some you are allowed to put in your start time etc, in others you can
> elect to let the cameras tell when you were there.
> Apart from the ability for this to go badly wrong, it seems that
> those
> using the system have failed to take into account that many people do
> not have a smart mobile, or do not bring their mobile out to the shops
> with them, with the result that they park all over the adjoining roads
> or just park and hope.
> Is this a thing country wide? Not that it worries me directly, but it
> looks
> once again like an idea which does not actually work for many people
> who don't have a smart phone or the ability to do very much on one.
>
> I'd have thought some kind of alternate system should be provided,
> such as a pay over the phone within 24 hours or get a fine system.
> There is normally just the name of an app on the signs I'm told,
> which is
> silly.
> Brian
>

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Peter wrote:

> The council car parks use
> conventional machines that don't use smart phones at all.

Same here, they were SFP until a few years ago, then machines were
introduced at about 20p, that's gone up and up killing off visitors who
go to out-of-town centres instead, shops close down, parking prices go
up so it's cheaper to drive elsewhere rather than pay to park.

On Mon, 20 Feb 2023 09:03:52 -0000
"Brian Gaff" <brian1gaff@gmail.com> wrote:

> It seems from what I can tell, that councils, Railways stations and
> others have made a decision to handle no more money and not produce real
> parking indications of sale.

They seem to be just adding contactless payment readers to the
machines here - sme as the toll booths, they still take coins but it
wouldn't surprise me if that stops one day.

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Brian Gaff <brian1gaff@gmail.com> wrote:
> It seems from what I can tell, that councils, Railways stations and others
> have made a decision to handle no more money and not produce real parking
> indications of sale. Instead you need a smart phone app, and you enter the
> registration of your car, and payment details. In some you are allowed to
> put in your start time etc, in others you can elect to let the cameras tell
> when you were there.
> Apart from the ability for this to go badly wrong, it seems that those
> using the system have failed to take into account that many people do not
> have a smart mobile, or do not bring their mobile out to the shops with
> them,

Hooray for smart phones I say! Finding change for parking machines was
always an utter pain. Smart phone apps also allow you to extend your paid
parking time if you’re delayed.

I have done this from my paddleboard on the middle of the Clyde.

Tim

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On 20/02/2023 10:29, Tease'n'Seize wrote:
> Peter wrote:
>
>> The council car parks use
>> conventional machines that don't use smart phones at all.
>
> Same here, they were SFP until a few years ago, then machines were
> introduced at about 20p, that's gone up and up killing off visitors who
> go to out-of-town centres instead, shops close down, parking prices go
> up so it's cheaper to drive elsewhere rather than pay to park.

I have noticed that about the only high street with virtually no empty
shops round here is the one where you don't pay to park. The market
seems to be doing well, too.

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On 20/02/2023 10:52, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
> On Mon, 20 Feb 2023 09:03:52 -0000
> "Brian Gaff" <brian1gaff@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> It seems from what I can tell, that councils, Railways stations and
>> others have made a decision to handle no more money and not produce real
>> parking indications of sale.
>
> They seem to be just adding contactless payment readers to the
> machines here - sme as the toll booths, they still take coins but it
> wouldn't surprise me if that stops one day.
>
It will. Handling cash is ridiculously expensive.

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On 20/02/2023 11:12, Tim+ wrote:
> Brian Gaff <brian1gaff@gmail.com> wrote:
>> It seems from what I can tell, that councils, Railways stations and others
>> have made a decision to handle no more money and not produce real parking
>> indications of sale. Instead you need a smart phone app, and you enter the
>> registration of your car, and payment details. In some you are allowed to
>> put in your start time etc, in others you can elect to let the cameras tell
>> when you were there.
>> Apart from the ability for this to go badly wrong, it seems that those
>> using the system have failed to take into account that many people do not
>> have a smart mobile, or do not bring their mobile out to the shops with
>> them,
>
> Hooray for smart phones I say! Finding change for parking machines was
> always an utter pain. Smart phone apps also allow you to extend your paid
> parking time if you’re delayed.
>
> I have done this from my paddleboard on the middle of the Clyde.
>
> Tim
>

I had no idea you needed to pay to park a paddleboard in the middle of
the Clyde!

Tone

Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:

> They seem to be just adding contactless payment readers to the
> machines here

The big multley-story ones have that.

Tone said:
> On 20/02/2023 11:12, Tim+ wrote:
>> Brian Gaff <brian1gaff@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> It seems from what I can tell, that councils, Railways stations and others
>>> have made a decision to handle no more money and not produce real parking
>>> indications of sale. Instead you need a smart phone app, and you enter the
>>> registration of your car, and payment details. In some you are allowed to
>>> put in your start time etc, in others you can elect to let the cameras tell
>>> when you were there.
>>> Apart from the ability for this to go badly wrong, it seems that those
>>> using the system have failed to take into account that many people do not
>>> have a smart mobile, or do not bring their mobile out to the shops with
>>> them,
>>
>> Hooray for smart phones I say! Finding change for parking machines was
>> always an utter pain. Smart phone apps also allow you to extend your paid
>> parking time if you’re delayed.
>>
>> I have done this from my paddleboard on the middle of the Clyde.
>>
>> Tim
>>
>
> I had no idea you needed to pay to park a paddleboard in the middle of
> the Clyde!

That's when you fall off and your smartphone gets wet.

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On 2023-02-20, Tease'n'Seize <tease-and-seize@invalid> wrote:
> Peter wrote:
>
>> The council car parks use
>> conventional machines that don't use smart phones at all.
>
> Same here, they were SFP until a few years ago, then machines were
> introduced at about 20p, that's gone up and up killing off visitors who
> go to out-of-town centres instead, shops close down, parking prices go
> up so it's cheaper to drive elsewhere rather than pay to park.

Which the superrobbers love. The town centers will decline to cheap
chippers and bookies, (I could insert a picture of my local town, but
its happening everywhere.)

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On Mon, 20 Feb 2023 14:29:49 -0000 (UTC)
Richard Robinson <richard@qualmograph.org.uk> wrote:

> That's when you fall off and your smartphone gets wet.

Also descends to the depths where it will be found by Davy Jones who
has been trying to get one to work for ages.

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Richard Robinson <richard@qualmograph.org.uk> wrote:
> Tone said:
>> On 20/02/2023 11:12, Tim+ wrote:
>>> Brian Gaff <brian1gaff@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> It seems from what I can tell, that councils, Railways stations and others
>>>> have made a decision to handle no more money and not produce real parking
>>>> indications of sale. Instead you need a smart phone app, and you enter the
>>>> registration of your car, and payment details. In some you are allowed to
>>>> put in your start time etc, in others you can elect to let the cameras tell
>>>> when you were there.
>>>> Apart from the ability for this to go badly wrong, it seems that those
>>>> using the system have failed to take into account that many people do not
>>>> have a smart mobile, or do not bring their mobile out to the shops with
>>>> them,
>>>
>>> Hooray for smart phones I say! Finding change for parking machines was
>>> always an utter pain. Smart phone apps also allow you to extend your paid
>>> parking time if you’re delayed.
>>>
>>> I have done this from my paddleboard on the middle of the Clyde.
>>>
>>> Tim
>>>
>>
>> I had no idea you needed to pay to park a paddleboard in the middle of
>> the Clyde!
>
> That's when you fall off and your smartphone gets wet.
>

I did fall in but survived the poisonous water. Reminiscent of the Ankh.
Phone was in a waterproof pouch.

Tim

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On Mon, 20 Feb 2023 14:29:49 -0000 (UTC), Richard Robinson <richard@qualmograph.org.uk> wrote:
> Tone said:
>> On 20/02/2023 11:12, Tim+ wrote:
>>> Brian Gaff <brian1gaff@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> It seems from what I can tell, that councils, Railways stations and others
>>>> have made a decision to handle no more money and not produce real parking
>>>> indications of sale. Instead you need a smart phone app, and you enter the
>>>> registration of your car, and payment details. In some you are allowed to
>>>> put in your start time etc, in others you can elect to let the cameras tell
>>>> when you were there.
>>>> Apart from the ability for this to go badly wrong, it seems that those
>>>> using the system have failed to take into account that many people do not
>>>> have a smart mobile, or do not bring their mobile out to the shops with
>>>> them,
>>>
>>> Hooray for smart phones I say! Finding change for parking machines was
>>> always an utter pain. Smart phone apps also allow you to extend your paid
>>> parking time if you’re delayed.
>>>
>>> I have done this from my paddleboard on the middle of the Clyde.
>>
>> I had no idea you needed to pay to park a paddleboard in the middle of
>> the Clyde!
>
> That's when you fall off and your smartphone gets wet.

Little boat owners user either waterproof baggies or
small Pelican case for their cell phones.

On 20-Feb-23 17:57, Julian Macassey wrote:
> On Mon, 20 Feb 2023 14:29:49 -0000 (UTC), Richard Robinson <richard@qualmograph.org.uk> wrote:
>> Tone said:
>>> On 20/02/2023 11:12, Tim+ wrote:

>>>> I have done this from my paddleboard on the middle of the Clyde.
>>>
>>> I had no idea you needed to pay to park a paddleboard in the middle of
>>> the Clyde!
>>
>> That's when you fall off and your smartphone gets wet.
>
> Little boat owners user either waterproof baggies or
> small Pelican case for their cell phones.

What do the tall ones do?

(asking for a friend.)

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On 2023-02-20, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
> On 20-Feb-23 17:57, Julian Macassey wrote:
>> On Mon, 20 Feb 2023 14:29:49 -0000 (UTC), Richard Robinson <richard@qualmograph.org.uk> wrote:
>>> Tone said:
>>>> On 20/02/2023 11:12, Tim+ wrote:
>
>>>>> I have done this from my paddleboard on the middle of the Clyde.
>>>>
>>>> I had no idea you needed to pay to park a paddleboard in the middle of
>>>> the Clyde!
>>>
>>> That's when you fall off and your smartphone gets wet.
>>
>> Little boat owners user either waterproof baggies or
>> small Pelican case for their cell phones.
>
> What do the tall ones do?
>
> (asking for a friend.)
>

Stand on the bottom and hold the cell phone out of the water. (
a stretch of canal near here)(
a stretch of canal near here)(
a stretch of canal near here)(
a stretch of canal near here)(
a stretch of canal near here)(
a stretch of canal near here)(
a stretch of canal near here)(
a stretch of canal near here)(
a stretch of canal near here)

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On 20/02/2023 09:03, Brian Gaff wrote:
> It seems from what I can tell, that councils, Railways stations and others
> have made a decision to handle no more money and not produce real parking
> indications of sale. Instead you need a smart phone app, and you enter the
> registration of your car, and payment details. In some you are allowed to
> put in your start time etc, in others you can elect to let the cameras tell
> when you were there.

It's very convenient if you have a smart phone, but with the caveat that
you should never trust any QR codes on the parking machine. The last
time I used a parking machine, I did use cash (the same parking machine
that I got the dodgy QR code from some months ago) but using a smart
phone means you don't have to ensure you've got the cash on you.

Sam Plusnet said:
> On 20-Feb-23 17:57, Julian Macassey wrote:
>> On Mon, 20 Feb 2023 14:29:49 -0000 (UTC), Richard Robinson <richard@qualmograph.org.uk> wrote:
>>> Tone said:
>>>> On 20/02/2023 11:12, Tim+ wrote:
>
>>>>> I have done this from my paddleboard on the middle of the Clyde.
>>>>
>>>> I had no idea you needed to pay to park a paddleboard in the middle of
>>>> the Clyde!
>>>
>>> That's when you fall off and your smartphone gets wet.
>>
>> Little boat owners user either waterproof baggies or
>> small Pelican case for their cell phones.
>
> What do the tall ones do?

And where do they keep their small Pelicans ?

> (asking for a friend.)
>

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Well, Kingston Upon Thames are going to ditch all of their machines and go
online apparently, over the next year. One big reason has been the dodgy
fraudsters adding a card reader to the current machines.

PS if you ever want to go to a concert you will find the ticket only exists
on the mobile, the Airlines are going the same way it seems.
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"Peter" <myshed@prune.org.uk> wrote in message
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> Not the case here, about 40 miles west of London. The council car parks
> use
> conventional machines that don't use smart phones at all. The station is
> primarily a smart phone app but we can also pay at the railway ticket
> booth. Just as well - I'm not keen on smart phones, though I have one.
> SWMBO refuses to have one.
>
>
> "Brian Gaff" <brian1gaff@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:tsvd1p$n91e$1@dont-email.me:
>
>> It seems from what I can tell, that councils, Railways stations and
>> others have made a decision to handle no more money and not produce
>> real parking indications of sale. Instead you need a smart phone app,
>> and you enter the registration of your car, and payment details. In
>> some you are allowed to put in your start time etc, in others you can
>> elect to let the cameras tell when you were there.
>> Apart from the ability for this to go badly wrong, it seems that
>> those
>> using the system have failed to take into account that many people do
>> not have a smart mobile, or do not bring their mobile out to the shops
>> with them, with the result that they park all over the adjoining roads
>> or just park and hope.
>> Is this a thing country wide? Not that it worries me directly, but it
>> looks
>> once again like an idea which does not actually work for many people
>> who don't have a smart phone or the ability to do very much on one.
>>
>> I'd have thought some kind of alternate system should be provided,
>> such as a pay over the phone within 24 hours or get a fine system.
>> There is normally just the name of an app on the signs I'm told,
>> which is
>> silly.
>> Brian
>>
>
>
>
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Yes I was wondering about the pelicans myself.

How do you press the side button and let it see your face to make a
contactless payment when on a boat in any case?
Brian

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"Richard Robinson" <richard@qualmograph.org.uk> wrote in message
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> Sam Plusnet said:
>> On 20-Feb-23 17:57, Julian Macassey wrote:
>>> On Mon, 20 Feb 2023 14:29:49 -0000 (UTC), Richard Robinson
>>> <richard@qualmograph.org.uk> wrote:
>>>> Tone said:
>>>>> On 20/02/2023 11:12, Tim+ wrote:
>>
>>>>>> I have done this from my paddleboard on the middle of the Clyde.
>>>>>
>>>>> I had no idea you needed to pay to park a paddleboard in the middle of
>>>>> the Clyde!
>>>>
>>>> That's when you fall off and your smartphone gets wet.
>>>
>>> Little boat owners user either waterproof baggies or
>>> small Pelican case for their cell phones.
>>
>> What do the tall ones do?
>
> And where do they keep their small Pelicans ?
>
>> (asking for a friend.)
>>
>
>
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>
> My email address is at http://qualmograph.org.uk/contact.html

These are some of the reasons for getting rid of them. Too many Latvian
scammers with gadgets to get your do hanging about.

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"Mike Fleming" <mike@tauzero.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On 20/02/2023 09:03, Brian Gaff wrote:
>> It seems from what I can tell, that councils, Railways stations and
>> others
>> have made a decision to handle no more money and not produce real parking
>> indications of sale. Instead you need a smart phone app, and you enter
>> the
>> registration of your car, and payment details. In some you are allowed to
>> put in your start time etc, in others you can elect to let the cameras
>> tell
>> when you were there.
>
> It's very convenient if you have a smart phone, but with the caveat that
> you should never trust any QR codes on the parking machine. The last time
> I used a parking machine, I did use cash (the same parking machine that I
> got the dodgy QR code from some months ago) but using a smart phone means
> you don't have to ensure you've got the cash on you.
>

On 21-Feb-23 17:45, Brian Gaff wrote:
> Yes I was wondering about the pelicans myself.
>
> How do you press the side button and let it see your face to make a
> contactless payment when on a boat in any case?

Have with you another phone (on a waterproof case), on which you can
display a photograph of your face.
Place the two phones near each other, and Roberto is that creepy
relative that you hope will not appear at family gatherings.

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<brian1gaff@gmail.com> writes
>PS if you ever want to go to a concert you will find the ticket only exists
>on the mobile.

I goove that rather deep ends on what concert you are going to. I went
to one last night that used a physical ticket, and I have a several of
them sitting close to hand for my future entertainment.

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On 22/02/2023 13:19, Adrian wrote:
> In message <tt2qtd$16911$1@dont-email.me>, Brian Gaff
> <brian1gaff@gmail.com> writes
>> PS if you ever want to go to a concert you will find the ticket only
>> exists
>> on the mobile.
>
> I goove that rather deep ends on what concert you are going to.  I went
> to one last night that used a physical ticket, and I have a several of
> them sitting close to hand for my future entertainment.
>
> Adrian

I get press comps for concerts. Some are emailed to me as an attachment
that I can print out.

Some venues know me well enough not to bother about tickets.

I just wish I was fittererer so that I could go to most of them.

Tone

On 20/02/2023 09:03, Brian Gaff wrote:
> It seems from what I can tell, that councils, Railways stations and others
> have made a decision to handle no more money and not produce real parking
> indications of sale. Instead you need a smart phone app, and you enter the
> registration of your car, and payment details. In some you are allowed to
> put in your start time etc, in others you can elect to let the cameras tell
> when you were there.
> Apart from the ability for this to go badly wrong, it seems that those
> using the system have failed to take into account that many people do not
> have a smart mobile, or do not bring their mobile out to the shops with
> them, with the result that they park all over the adjoining roads or just
> park and hope.
> Is this a thing country wide?

In some places, if you don't have a mobile phone you can find a corner
shop with a PayPoint sign and stand in a queue watching life (and any
hope of included free parking) tick by.

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