At least its not just England who are shite away on tour, with
the safys blown away by Henry, who had a superstellar season
in the CC with Kent a while back, but only had a test bowling av of
about 50 b4 this match.

mike

In message <6e07d4e2-1364-48e1-9596-ac2132425020n@googlegroups.com>,
mike <dmike204@yahoo.co.uk> writes
>At least its not just England who are shite away on tour, with
>the safys blown away by Henry, who had a superstellar season
>in the CC with Kent a while back, but only had a test bowling av of
>about 50 b4 this match.

I imagine he was only playing because Boult was either unfit or rested.
With Southee, Boult, Jamieson, Wagner and Henry, NZ have an enviable
pack of pace bowlers to choose from.
--
John Hall
"Home is heaven and orgies are vile,
But you *need* an orgy, once in a while."
Ogden Nash (1902-1971)

On Friday, February 18, 2022 at 3:53:17 AM UTC+11, mike wrote:
> At least its not just England who are shite away on tour, with
> the safys blown away by Henry, who had a superstellar season
> in the CC with Kent a while back, but only had a test bowling av of
> about 50 b4 this match.
>
Disappointed that Wagner didn't get a first innings lead on RSA...

On 18/02/2022 00:30, Hamish Laws wrote:
> On Friday, February 18, 2022 at 3:53:17 AM UTC+11, mike wrote:
>> At least its not just England who are shite away on tour, with
>> the safys blown away by Henry, who had a superstellar season
>> in the CC with Kent a while back, but only had a test bowling av of
>> about 50 b4 this match.
>>
> Disappointed that Wagner didn't get a first innings lead on RSA...

The last-wicket partnership was one short of SA's total. Henry's having
the match of his life.

--
David North

On Friday, February 18, 2022 at 3:53:33 PM UTC+11, nos...@lane-farm.fsnet.co.uk wrote:
> On 18/02/2022 00:30, Hamish Laws wrote:
> > On Friday, February 18, 2022 at 3:53:17 AM UTC+11, mike wrote:
> >> At least its not just England who are shite away on tour, with
> >> the safys blown away by Henry, who had a superstellar season
> >> in the CC with Kent a while back, but only had a test bowling av of
> >> about 50 b4 this match.
> >>
> > Disappointed that Wagner didn't get a first innings lead on RSA...
> The last-wicket partnership was one short of SA's total. Henry's having
> the match of his life.
>
anybody know how many times people have made a 50 and taken 10 wickets in a match?
RSA is 3 down in their 2nd innings and Henry has 8 for the match so far...

On 18/02/2022 06:14, Hamish Laws wrote:
> On Friday, February 18, 2022 at 3:53:33 PM UTC+11, nos...@lane-farm.fsnet.co.uk wrote:
>> On 18/02/2022 00:30, Hamish Laws wrote:
>>> On Friday, February 18, 2022 at 3:53:17 AM UTC+11, mike wrote:
>>>> At least its not just England who are shite away on tour, with
>>>> the safys blown away by Henry, who had a superstellar season
>>>> in the CC with Kent a while back, but only had a test bowling av of
>>>> about 50 b4 this match.
>>>>
>>> Disappointed that Wagner didn't get a first innings lead on RSA...
>> The last-wicket partnership was one short of SA's total. Henry's having
>> the match of his life.
>>
> anybody know how many times people have made a 50 and taken 10 wickets in a match?
> RSA is 3 down in their 2nd innings and Henry has 8 for the match so far...

30 (including 3 who have made a century: Botham, Imran Khan and Shakib
Al Hasan)

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;filter=advanced;orderby=start;qualmin1=10;qualmin2=1;qualval1=wickets;qualval2=fifty_plus;template=results;type=allround;view=match

--
David North

On 18/02/2022 08:59, David North wrote:
> On 18/02/2022 06:14, Hamish Laws wrote:
>> On Friday, February 18, 2022 at 3:53:33 PM UTC+11,
>> nos...@lane-farm.fsnet.co.uk wrote:
>>> On 18/02/2022 00:30, Hamish Laws wrote:
>>>> On Friday, February 18, 2022 at 3:53:17 AM UTC+11, mike wrote:
>>>>> At least its not just England who are shite away on tour, with
>>>>> the safys blown away by Henry, who had a superstellar season
>>>>> in the CC with Kent a while back, but only had a test bowling av of
>>>>> about 50 b4 this match.
>>>>>
>>>> Disappointed that Wagner didn't get a first innings lead on RSA...
>>> The last-wicket partnership was one short of SA's total. Henry's having
>>> the match of his life.
>>>
>> anybody know how many times people have made a 50 and taken 10 wickets
>> in a match?
>> RSA is 3 down in their 2nd innings and Henry has 8 for the match so
>> far...
>
> 30 (including 3 who have made a century: Botham, Imran Khan and Shakib
> Al Hasan)
>
> https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;filter=advanced;orderby=start;qualmin1=10;qualmin2=1;qualval1=wickets;qualval2=fifty_plus;template=results;type=allround;view=match

He would be the first to do it batting at #11.

--
David North

In message <46429fff-c738-4d05-87bb-68badeed5a00n@googlegroups.com>,
Hamish Laws <hamish.laws@gmail.com> writes
>anybody know how many times people have made a 50 and taken 10 wickets
>in a match?

ISTR that Alan Davidson did it in the Tied Test. I imagine Sobers and
Miller must have done it a few times. Botham, Imran and Kapil Dev are
other likely suspects. I'd guess that in total it's probably been done
about twenty times. I'd wondered if Larwood might have taken 10 wickets
in the 1932-3 Test when he scored 98 as nightwatchman, but it turns out
he only took 5 wickets in that match. He came closer four years earlier,
when he scored 70 and took 8 wickets in the match.

> RSA is 3 down in their 2nd innings and Henry has 8 for the match so
>far...

Yep. And yet if Boult comes back for the next Test, I imagine he's still
the most likely omission.
--
John Hall
"Home is heaven and orgies are vile,
But you *need* an orgy, once in a while."
Ogden Nash (1902-1971)

In message <j795eoFti40U1@mid.individual.net>, David North
<nospam@lane-farm.fsnet.co.uk> writes
>On 18/02/2022 06:14, Hamish Laws wrote:
>> On Friday, February 18, 2022 at 3:53:33 PM UTC+11,
>>nos...@lane-farm.fsnet.co.uk wrote:
>>> On 18/02/2022 00:30, Hamish Laws wrote:
>>>> On Friday, February 18, 2022 at 3:53:17 AM UTC+11, mike wrote:
>>>>> At least its not just England who are shite away on tour, with
>>>>> the safys blown away by Henry, who had a superstellar season
>>>>> in the CC with Kent a while back, but only had a test bowling av of
>>>>> about 50 b4 this match.
>>>>>
>>>> Disappointed that Wagner didn't get a first innings lead on RSA...
>>> The last-wicket partnership was one short of SA's total. Henry's having
>>> the match of his life.
>>>
>> anybody know how many times people have made a 50 and taken 10
>>wickets in a match?
>> RSA is 3 down in their 2nd innings and Henry has 8 for the match so far...
>
>30 (including 3 who have made a century: Botham, Imran Khan and Shakib
>Al Hasan)
>
>https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;filter
>=advanced;orderby=start;qualmin1=10;qualmin2=1;qualval1=wickets;qualval2
>=fifty_plus;template=results;type=allround;view=match
>

Interesting that it was very rare prior to 1973, with only 4 instances,
since when it's become increasingly common.
--
John Hall
"Home is heaven and orgies are vile,
But you *need* an orgy, once in a while."
Ogden Nash (1902-1971)

On 18/02/2022 14:09, John Hall wrote:
> In message <j795eoFti40U1@mid.individual.net>, David North
> <nospam@lane-farm.fsnet.co.uk> writes
>> On 18/02/2022 06:14, Hamish Laws wrote:
>>> On Friday, February 18, 2022 at 3:53:33 PM UTC+11,
>>> nos...@lane-farm.fsnet.co.uk wrote:
>>>> On 18/02/2022 00:30, Hamish Laws wrote:
>>>>> On Friday, February 18, 2022 at 3:53:17 AM UTC+11, mike wrote:
>>>>>> At least its not just England who are shite away on tour, with
>>>>>> the safys blown away by Henry, who had a superstellar season
>>>>>> in the CC with Kent a while back, but only had a test bowling av of
>>>>>> about 50 b4 this match.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Disappointed that Wagner didn't get a first innings lead on RSA...
>>>> The last-wicket partnership was one short of SA's total. Henry's having
>>>> the match of his life.
>>>>
>>> anybody know how many times people have made a 50 and taken 10
>>> wickets in a match?
>>> RSA is 3 down in their 2nd innings and Henry has 8 for the match so
>>> far...
>>
>> 30 (including 3 who have made a century: Botham, Imran Khan and Shakib
>> Al Hasan)
>>
>> https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;filter
>> =advanced;orderby=start;qualmin1=10;qualmin2=1;qualval1=wickets;qualval2
>> =fifty_plus;template=results;type=allround;view=match
>>
>
> Interesting that it was very rare prior to 1973, with only 4 instances,
> since when it's become increasingly common.

.... even taking into account the considerable increase in the frequency
of Tests.

Before the 1973 instance, there were 724 Tests, so one instance every
181 Tests.
From then on, there have been 1726 Tests, so one instance every 66 Tests.

Less surprising is that there were 9 instances in the 1980s (one every
30 Tests), 6 of them by the 4 players you would expect.

--
David North

In message <j7c031FfkrnU1@mid.individual.net>, David North
<nospam@lane-farm.fsnet.co.uk> writes
>On 18/02/2022 14:09, John Hall wrote:
>> In message <j795eoFti40U1@mid.individual.net>, David North
>><nospam@lane-farm.fsnet.co.uk> writes
>>> On 18/02/2022 06:14, Hamish Laws wrote:
>>>> On Friday, February 18, 2022 at 3:53:33 PM UTC+11,
>>>>nos...@lane-farm.fsnet.co.uk wrote:
>>>>> On 18/02/2022 00:30, Hamish Laws wrote:
>>>>>> On Friday, February 18, 2022 at 3:53:17 AM UTC+11, mike wrote:
>>>>>>> At least its not just England who are shite away on tour, with
>>>>>>> the safys blown away by Henry, who had a superstellar season
>>>>>>> in the CC with Kent a while back, but only had a test bowling av of
>>>>>>> about 50 b4 this match.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Disappointed that Wagner didn't get a first innings lead on RSA...
>>>>> The last-wicket partnership was one short of SA's total. Henry's having
>>>>> the match of his life.
>>>>>
>>>> anybody know how many times people have made a 50 and taken 10
>>>>wickets in a match?
>>>> RSA is 3 down in their 2nd innings and Henry has 8 for the match so
>>>>far...
>>>
>>> 30 (including 3 who have made a century: Botham, Imran Khan and
>>>Shakib Al Hasan)
>>>
>>> https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;filter
>>> =advanced;orderby=start;qualmin1=10;qualmin2=1;qualval1=wickets;qualval2
>>> =fifty_plus;template=results;type=allround;view=match
>>>
>> Interesting that it was very rare prior to 1973, with only 4
>>instances, since when it's become increasingly common.
>
>... even taking into account the considerable increase in the frequency
>of Tests.
>
>Before the 1973 instance, there were 724 Tests, so one instance every
>181 Tests.
>From then on, there have been 1726 Tests, so one instance every 66 Tests.
>
>Less surprising is that there were 9 instances in the 1980s (one every
>30 Tests), 6 of them by the 4 players you would expect.
>

Thanks for that analysis. In the end, Henry fell one wicket short.
--
John Hall
"Home is heaven and orgies are vile,
But you *need* an orgy, once in a while."
Ogden Nash (1902-1971)

On Saturday, February 19, 2022 at 9:45:56 PM UTC+11, nos...@lane-farm.fsnet.co.uk wrote:
> On 18/02/2022 14:09, John Hall wrote:
> > In message <j795eo...@mid.individual.net>, David North
> > <nos...@lane-farm.fsnet.co.uk> writes
> >> On 18/02/2022 06:14, Hamish Laws wrote:
> >>> On Friday, February 18, 2022 at 3:53:33 PM UTC+11,
> >>> nos...@lane-farm.fsnet.co.uk wrote:
> >>>> On 18/02/2022 00:30, Hamish Laws wrote:
> >>>>> On Friday, February 18, 2022 at 3:53:17 AM UTC+11, mike wrote:
> >>>>>> At least its not just England who are shite away on tour, with
> >>>>>> the safys blown away by Henry, who had a superstellar season
> >>>>>> in the CC with Kent a while back, but only had a test bowling av of
> >>>>>> about 50 b4 this match.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> Disappointed that Wagner didn't get a first innings lead on RSA...
> >>>> The last-wicket partnership was one short of SA's total. Henry's having
> >>>> the match of his life.
> >>>>
> >>> anybody know how many times people have made a 50 and taken 10
> >>> wickets in a match?
> >>> RSA is 3 down in their 2nd innings and Henry has 8 for the match so
> >>> far...
> >>
> >> 30 (including 3 who have made a century: Botham, Imran Khan and Shakib
> >> Al Hasan)
> >>
> >> https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;filter
> >> =advanced;orderby=start;qualmin1=10;qualmin2=1;qualval1=wickets;qualval2
> >> =fifty_plus;template=results;type=allround;view=match
> >>
> >
> > Interesting that it was very rare prior to 1973, with only 4 instances,
> > since when it's become increasingly common.
> ... even taking into account the considerable increase in the frequency
> of Tests.
>
> Before the 1973 instance, there were 724 Tests, so one instance every
> 181 Tests.
> From then on, there have been 1726 Tests, so one instance every 66 Tests.
>
> Less surprising is that there were 9 instances in the 1980s (one every
> 30 Tests), 6 of them by the 4 players you would expect.
>
I wonder if some of it's down to there being less rabbits amongst bowlers?

On 18/02/2022 09:01, John Hall wrote:
> In message <46429fff-c738-4d05-87bb-68badeed5a00n@googlegroups.com>,
> Hamish Laws <hamish.laws@gmail.com> writes
>> anybody know how many times people have made a 50 and taken 10 wickets
>> in a match?
>
> ISTR that Alan Davidson did it in the Tied Test. I imagine Sobers and
> Miller must have done it a few times.

Sobers' best match figures were 8/80, but he did make 174 in his only
innings in that match (Headingley 1966).

Miller only took 10 wickets once: Lord's 1956, when he made 28 and 30.
His nearest miss was at Brisbane in 1946/47, when he made 79 and took
7/60 in the first innings and 2 of the first 3 wickets in the follow-on,
but he only got another 4.1 overs after that, and didn't manage to take
his 10th.

--
David North

On Saturday, February 19, 2022 at 10:42:31 PM UTC+11, nos...@lane-farm.fsnet.co.uk wrote:
> On 18/02/2022 09:01, John Hall wrote:
> > In message <46429fff-c738-4d05...@googlegroups.com>,
> > Hamish Laws <hamis...@gmail.com> writes
> >> anybody know how many times people have made a 50 and taken 10 wickets
> >> in a match?
> >
> > ISTR that Alan Davidson did it in the Tied Test. I imagine Sobers and
> > Miller must have done it a few times.
> Sobers' best match figures were 8/80, but he did make 174 in his only
> innings in that match (Headingley 1966).
>
> Miller only took 10 wickets once: Lord's 1956, when he made 28 and 30.
> His nearest miss was at Brisbane in 1946/47, when he made 79 and took
> 7/60 in the first innings and 2 of the first 3 wickets in the follow-on,
> but he only got another 4.1 overs after that, and didn't manage to take
> his 10th.
>
> --
> David North

I would love to see Australia tour NZ right now .... its strange that they are still playing Test Cricket in NZ
yet Australia stopped playing them over 5 weeks ago. Christ, you could play Test Cricket all the way to end of
March here in Oz

On Friday, February 18, 2022 at 8:07:20 PM UTC+11, John Hall wrote:
> Yep. And yet if Boult comes back for the next Test, I imagine he's still
> the most likely omission.

According to cricinfo Boult's not available for the 2nd test