I get the impression that the earlier Bonner was rather more exciting to watch than the current one

On Thu, 10 Mar 2022 04:28:11 -0800 (PST), Hamish Laws
<hamish.laws@gmail.com> wrote:

>I get the impression that the earlier Bonner was rather more exciting to watch than the current one

And he didn't spell his name like that either. None of them do, as we
see from Viv Ritchuds.

Cheers,

Mike

On Thursday, March 10, 2022 at 12:28:12 PM UTC, hamis...@gmail.com wrote:
> I get the impression that the earlier Bonner was rather more exciting to watch than the current one

never saw the other 1, but although nkrumah hasnt played many tests, his test av is
over 40 whereas his FC av is only 28.

mike

In message <3a01aed5-c250-4cc5-af1d-dea2ace95554n@googlegroups.com>,
mike <dmike204@yahoo.co.uk> writes
>On Thursday, March 10, 2022 at 12:28:12 PM UTC, hamis...@gmail.com wrote:
>> I get the impression that the earlier Bonner was rather more exciting
>>to watch than the current one
>
>never saw the other 1,

You'd be doing well if you had, as he played in the 19th century!

> but although nkrumah hasnt played many tests, his test av is
>over 40 whereas his FC av is only 28.

I can't help wondering about that first name. Were his parents admirers
of the president of Ghana back in the 1960s, who didn't seem to have
much to recommend him?
--
John Hall
"Home is heaven and orgies are vile,
But you *need* an orgy, once in a while."
Ogden Nash (1902-1971)

On Thu, 10 Mar 2022 18:56:50 +0000, John Hall wrote:

> In message <3a01aed5-c250-4cc5-af1d-dea2ace95554n@googlegroups.com>,
> mike <dmike204@yahoo.co.uk> writes
>>On Thursday, March 10, 2022 at 12:28:12 PM UTC, hamis...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> I get the impression that the earlier Bonner was rather more exciting
>>>to watch than the current one
>>
>>never saw the other 1,
>
> You'd be doing well if you had, as he played in the 19th century!

What was he like John?

--
This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
https://www.avast.com/antivirus

In message <3suwngsqffgd.1ocwrejppga6g$.dlg@40tude.net>, alvey
<alvey@is.invalid> writes
>On Thu, 10 Mar 2022 18:56:50 +0000, John Hall wrote:
>
>> In message <3a01aed5-c250-4cc5-af1d-dea2ace95554n@googlegroups.com>,
>> mike <dmike204@yahoo.co.uk> writes
>>>On Thursday, March 10, 2022 at 12:28:12 PM UTC, hamis...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> I get the impression that the earlier Bonner was rather more exciting
>>>>to watch than the current one
>>>
>>>never saw the other 1,
>>
>> You'd be doing well if you had, as he played in the 19th century!
>
>What was he like John?
>

:)

By reputation, he was something of a slogger.
--
John Hall
"Home is heaven and orgies are vile,
But you *need* an orgy, once in a while."
Ogden Nash (1902-1971)

On 10/03/2022 12:28, Hamish Laws wrote:
> I get the impression that the earlier Bonner was rather more exciting to watch than the current one

A result one way or the other would have been more likely with George
Bonnor playing instead. Nkrumah's 493 balls for the match don't quite
make the West Indies' top 10.

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;filter=advanced;orderby=balls_faced;team=4;template=results;type=batting;view=match

--
David North

On Sat, 12 Mar 2022 21:54:29 +0000, David North
<nospam@lane-farm.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:

>On 10/03/2022 12:28, Hamish Laws wrote:
>> I get the impression that the earlier Bonner was rather more exciting to watch than the current one
>
>A result one way or the other would have been more likely with George
>Bonnor playing instead. Nkrumah's 493 balls for the match don't quite
>make the West Indies' top 10.
>
>https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;filter=advanced;orderby=balls_faced;team=4;template=results;type=batting;view=match

Am I dreaming or did I read that Nkrumah had given up cricket and gone
to work in USA as a plumber or something? Then he decided or was
maybe persuaded to give cricket another go and here he is now in the
WI test team.

max.it

--
This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
https://www.avast.com/antivirus

On 12/03/2022 22:16, max.it wrote:
> On Sat, 12 Mar 2022 21:54:29 +0000, David North
> <nospam@lane-farm.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> On 10/03/2022 12:28, Hamish Laws wrote:
>>> I get the impression that the earlier Bonner was rather more exciting to watch than the current one
>>
>> A result one way or the other would have been more likely with George
>> Bonnor playing instead. Nkrumah's 493 balls for the match don't quite
>> make the West Indies' top 10.
>>
>> https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;filter=advanced;orderby=balls_faced;team=4;template=results;type=batting;view=match
>
> Am I dreaming or did I read that Nkrumah had given up cricket and gone
> to work in USA as a plumber or something? Then he decided or was
> maybe persuaded to give cricket another go and here he is now in the
> WI test team.

I can't see any obvious gaps in his career. He has played FC cricket in
West Indies every season since 2009-10, when he was 20.

--
David North

In message <j94j4mFc00gU1@mid.individual.net>, David North
<nospam@lane-farm.fsnet.co.uk> writes
>On 10/03/2022 12:28, Hamish Laws wrote:
>> I get the impression that the earlier Bonner was rather more exciting
>>to watch than the current one
>
>A result one way or the other would have been more likely with George
>Bonnor playing instead. Nkrumah's 493 balls for the match don't quite
>make the West Indies' top 10.
>
>https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;filter
>=advanced;orderby=balls_faced;team=4;template=results;type=batting;view=
>match
>

An interesting list. Sobers' 365* isn't in the top 50, so either he
scored remarkably quickly or the number of balls he took isn't known.
--
John Hall
"Home is heaven and orgies are vile,
But you *need* an orgy, once in a while."
Ogden Nash (1902-1971)

On 13/03/2022 08:28, John Hall wrote:
> In message <j94j4mFc00gU1@mid.individual.net>, David North
> <nospam@lane-farm.fsnet.co.uk> writes
>> On 10/03/2022 12:28, Hamish Laws wrote:
>>> I get the impression that the earlier Bonner was rather more exciting
>>> to watch than the current one
>>
>> A result one way or the other would have been more likely with George
>> Bonnor playing instead. Nkrumah's 493 balls for the match don't quite
>> make the West Indies' top 10.
>>
>> https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;filter
>> =advanced;orderby=balls_faced;team=4;template=results;type=batting;view=
>> match
>>
>
> An interesting list. Sobers' 365* isn't in the top 50, so either he
> scored remarkably quickly or the number of balls he took isn't known.

The latter, as far as Cricinfo is concerned. I was forgetting that it is
missing that info for many innings. However, Charles Davis does have it.
Sobers faced 575 balls, so slots in just behind Lara's 400*.

http://www.sportstats.com.au/zArchive/1950s/1957WP/1957WP3.pdf

His 226 v England at Bridgetown in 1959/60 should probably be near the
top of the list as well, as should Worrell's 197 in the same innings.
Sobers batted for 33 minutes longer than he did for his 365*, and
Worrell's innings was a further 35 minutes longer, but Davis doesn't
have the balls-faced info for that match.

http://www.sportstats.com.au/zArchive/1950s/1959WE/1959WE1.pdf

Worrell batted for 682 of the 868 minutes of West Indies innings
(78.6%), which lasted at least 1443 balls (239.4 overs + 5 no-balls), so
we can estimate that he faced around half of 78.6% of 1443 = 569 balls.

--
David North

On 14/03/2022 06:18, David North wrote:
> On 13/03/2022 08:28, John Hall wrote:
>> In message <j94j4mFc00gU1@mid.individual.net>, David North
>> <nospam@lane-farm.fsnet.co.uk> writes
>>> On 10/03/2022 12:28, Hamish Laws wrote:
>>>> I get the impression that the earlier Bonner was rather more
>>>> exciting to watch than the current one
>>>
>>> A result one way or the other would have been more likely with George
>>> Bonnor playing instead. Nkrumah's 493 balls for the match don't quite
>>> make the West Indies' top 10.
>>>
>>> https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;filter
>>> =advanced;orderby=balls_faced;team=4;template=results;type=batting;view=
>>> match
>>>
>>
>> An interesting list. Sobers' 365* isn't in the top 50, so either he
>> scored remarkably quickly or the number of balls he took isn't known.
>
> The latter, as far as Cricinfo is concerned. I was forgetting that it is
> missing that info for many innings. However, Charles Davis does have it.
> Sobers faced 575 balls, so slots in just behind Lara's 400*.
>
> http://www.sportstats.com.au/zArchive/1950s/1957WP/1957WP3.pdf
>
> His 226 v England at Bridgetown in 1959/60 should probably be near the
> top of the list as well, as should Worrell's 197 in the same innings.
> Sobers batted for 33 minutes longer than he did for his 365*, and
> Worrell's innings was a further 35 minutes longer, but Davis doesn't
> have the balls-faced info for that match.
>
> http://www.sportstats.com.au/zArchive/1950s/1959WE/1959WE1.pdf
>
> Worrell batted for 682 of the 868 minutes of West Indies innings
> (78.6%), which lasted at least 1443 balls (239.4 overs + 5 no-balls), so
> we can estimate that he faced around half of 78.6% of 1443 = 569 balls.

Bonner is 5th on the WI list for minutes batted in a Test, the data for
which is much more complete. That list is not topped by Lara, but by
Kraigg Brathwaite, followed by Darren Bravo. 4 of the top 5 were in Antigua.

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;filter=advanced;orderby=minutes;team=4;template=results;type=batting;view=match

--
David North

On Sun, 13 Mar 2022 05:17:14 +0000, David North
<nospam@lane-farm.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:

>On 12/03/2022 22:16, max.it wrote:
>> On Sat, 12 Mar 2022 21:54:29 +0000, David North
>> <nospam@lane-farm.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> On 10/03/2022 12:28, Hamish Laws wrote:
>>>> I get the impression that the earlier Bonner was rather more exciting to watch than the current one
>>>
>>> A result one way or the other would have been more likely with George
>>> Bonnor playing instead. Nkrumah's 493 balls for the match don't quite
>>> make the West Indies' top 10.
>>>
>>> https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;filter=advanced;orderby=balls_faced;team=4;template=results;type=batting;view=match
>>
>> Am I dreaming or did I read that Nkrumah had given up cricket and gone
>> to work in USA as a plumber or something? Then he decided or was
>> maybe persuaded to give cricket another go and here he is now in the
>> WI test team.
>
>I can't see any obvious gaps in his career. He has played FC cricket in
>West Indies every season since 2009-10, when he was 20.

I wasn't dreaming, but I didn't remember the story very well
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/60749003

max.it

--
This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
https://www.avast.com/antivirus

On 15/03/2022 23:48, max.it wrote:
> On Sun, 13 Mar 2022 05:17:14 +0000, David North
> <nospam@lane-farm.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> On 12/03/2022 22:16, max.it wrote:
>>> On Sat, 12 Mar 2022 21:54:29 +0000, David North
>>> <nospam@lane-farm.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 10/03/2022 12:28, Hamish Laws wrote:
>>>>> I get the impression that the earlier Bonner was rather more exciting to watch than the current one
>>>>
>>>> A result one way or the other would have been more likely with George
>>>> Bonnor playing instead. Nkrumah's 493 balls for the match don't quite
>>>> make the West Indies' top 10.
>>>>
>>>> https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;filter=advanced;orderby=balls_faced;team=4;template=results;type=batting;view=match
>>>
>>> Am I dreaming or did I read that Nkrumah had given up cricket and gone
>>> to work in USA as a plumber or something? Then he decided or was
>>> maybe persuaded to give cricket another go and here he is now in the
>>> WI test team.
>>
>> I can't see any obvious gaps in his career. He has played FC cricket in
>> West Indies every season since 2009-10, when he was 20.
>
>
>
> I wasn't dreaming, but I didn't remember the story very well
> https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/60749003

So he was working in construction in the USA. Well, he certainly made a
pretty good wall in Antigua.

--
David North