On 10/03/2023 08:54, Richard Robinson wrote:
> Ahem A Rivet's Shot said:
>> It's horse for courses as always - with the occasional idiot trying
>> to take a motorbike (iron horse) over the steeplechase course.

> I've never understood why people enjoy chasing steeples.

Is that the way it works? I gooved it was steeples chasing them! That's
why it's called a 'point' to 'point'.

Tone

On 10/03/2023 05:39, Mike Spencer wrote:
> Mike Fleming <mike@tauzero.co.uk> writes:
>
>> On 09/03/2023 16:23, Tim+ wrote:
>>
>>> Do bear in mind that top posting is actually the norm for email, unlike
>>> Usenet posting.
>>
>> It didn't use to be.
>
> In the business corresponence or other formal context, I've often seen
> in an email mssg the entire body of the previous mssg to which it is a
> reply appended at the *end*. I have no trouble with that. I even do
> it occasionally.

I did when I was rzcyblrq and doing correspondence about jbex, and also
do it if I send an email to someone in connection with a chepunfr or
freivpr and they respond with top-posting, in their ignorance of the way
things Should Be. That doesn't mean it doesn't make my teeth itch.

What those top-posting at jbex don't realise is that dangling in the
great tail of unsnipped email history is often something that wasn't
intended to be disseminated to the Great Unwashed.

On 10/03/2023 00:22, Mike Fleming wrote:
> On 09/03/2023 16:23, Tim+ wrote:
>>
>> Do bear in mind that top posting is actually the norm for email, unlike
>> Usenet posting.
>
> It didn't use to be.
>
This!
And I blame Microsoft
And laziness...

Chris

On 10/03/2023 12:11, Mike Fleming wrote:
> On 10/03/2023 05:39, Mike Spencer wrote:
>> Mike Fleming <mike@tauzero.co.uk> writes:
>>
>>> On 09/03/2023 16:23, Tim+ wrote:
>>>
>>>> Do bear in mind that top posting is actually the norm for email, unlike
>>>> Usenet posting.
>>>
>>> It didn't use to be.
>>
>> In the business corresponence or other formal context, I've often seen
>> in an email mssg the entire body of the previous mssg to which it is a
>> reply appended at the *end*.  I have no trouble with that.  I even do
>> it occasionally.

This I reluctantly accept - that sometimes there needs to be what is
ironically called a 'paper trail'. But not always.

<snip>>
> What those top-posting at jbex don't realise is that dangling in the
> great tail of unsnipped email history is often something that wasn't
> intended to be disseminated to the Great Unwashed.

This is the real risk. It still appals me how careless so many email
users are and how ignorant they are of the software they are using.

Chris

On Fri, 10 Mar 2023 12:11:40 +0000, Mike Fleming <mike@tauzero.co.uk>
wrote:

> Snippage

> What those top-posting at jbex don't realise is that dangling in the
> great tail of unsnipped email history is often something that wasn't
> intended to be disseminated to the Great Unwashed.

This! but oh how much fun that can be :-0

Avpx

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I love you to top post it saves me scrolling all the way to the bottom to
fine the poster has said. I agree.
Brian

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"RustyHinge" <rusty.hinge@foobar.girolle.co.uk> wrote in message
news:tu9vi6$tj5a$1@dont-email.me...
> The one you send to top-posters - runs to four lines, in reverse order...
>
> --
> Rusty Hinge
> To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the
> BOFH.

In article <5lFOL.3013184$odm4.2391437@usenetxs.com>, The Nomad
<nomad@the.desert.invalid> on Fri, 10 Mar 2023 at 12:25:37 awoke
Nicholas from his slumbers and wrote
>On Fri, 10 Mar 2023 12:11:40 +0000, Mike Fleming <mike@tauzero.co.uk>
>wrote:
>
>> Snippage
>
>> What those top-posting at jbex don't realise is that dangling in the
>> great tail of unsnipped email history is often something that wasn't
>> intended to be disseminated to the Great Unwashed.
>
>This! but oh how much fun that can be :-0
>
>Avpx
>
I always check for this cardinal error, not just on my own posts but in
those I receive.

If a published Word document has not been purged of its history,
enlightening things might be revealed.

Reply All used to be a useful source of fun and enlightenment.
--
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"Où sont les neiges d'antan?"

On Fri, 10 Mar 2023 09:00:03 +0000, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
> On Fri, 10 Mar 2023 07:59:31 -0000 (UTC)
> Julian Macassey <julian@n6are.com> wrote:
>
>> There are users of e-mail that do not know you can delete
>> useless text in e-mail, let alone use the cursor put text where you
>> want it.
>
> In contexts where top posting is the norm that text is not useless,
> it is essential! Unless the entire chain is present and complete in the
> email someone getting added to the Cc list has nowhere to find the context.

But in the days of quill pens and later IBM Selectrics,
What then? Also do you want to struggle through gigsbytes of cruft?

> It is only in mailing lists, USENET and 1:1 mail exchanges that
> interleaved posting and snipping makes sense. The key factor being that the
> context is available to all participants without needing it to be in the
> message.
> In corporate settings where an email chain is usually an ongoing
> conversation between a growing group of people full quoting is essential
> and top posting is more convenient than bottom (except for the one-off
> catch up by reading bottom to top). If you snip and interleave in that
> context you will mess things up for anyone who joins afterwards. The key
> factor being that there is nowhere else for the context except in the
> message.

In all cases, including bidness, if you lurk, you will soon
catch up.
>

--
"Our men and women in uniform are fighting terrorists in Iraq so
we do not have to face them here at home." G. W. Bush State of
the Union 2005

On 10-Mar-23 9:45, Tone wrote:
> On 10/03/2023 08:54, Richard Robinson wrote:
>> Ahem A Rivet's Shot said:
>>>     It's horse for courses as always - with the occasional idiot trying
>>> to take a motorbike (iron horse) over the steeplechase course.
>
>> I've never understood why people enjoy chasing steeples.
>
> Is that the way it works? I gooved it was steeples chasing them! That's
> why it's called a 'point' to 'point'.

But Mr Robinson pointed out that it is pointless.

Chasing steeples has the advantage that they tend to stay in one place,
making them easier to find, but that last vertical section can be an
absolute uggber.

--
Sam Plusnet

On 10-Mar-23 7:59, Julian Macassey wrote:
> On 9 Mar 2023 16:23:05 GMT, Tim+ <tim.downie@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Do bear in mind that top posting is actually the norm for email, unlike
>> Usenet posting.
>
> A curse put upon us by those morons at Microsoft who would
> like you to think that they invented e-mail.
>
> There are users of e-mail that do not know you can delete
> useless text in e-mail, let alone use the cursor put text where you
> want it.

That suggests they need to read all the existing text, to decide what is
useless.
How bother to do that, before responding with something whilst entirely
misses the point raised?

--
Sam Plusnet

Ahem A Rivet's Shot said:
> On Fri, 10 Mar 2023 08:54:42 -0000 (UTC)
> Richard Robinson <richard@qualmograph.org.uk> wrote:
>
>> Ahem A Rivet's Shot said:
>> >
>> > It's horse for courses as always - with the occasional idiot
>> > trying to take a motorbike (iron horse) over the steeplechase course.
>>
>> I've never understood why people enjoy chasing steeples.
>
> They're easier to catch than rainbows.

So is a cold.

--
Richard Robinson
"The whole plan hinged upon the natural curiosity of potatoes" - S. Lem

My email address is at http://qualmograph.org.uk/contact.html

On 10/03/2023 12:21, chrisnd@privacy.net wrote:
> On 10/03/2023 00:22, Mike Fleming wrote:
>> On 09/03/2023 16:23, Tim+ wrote:
>>>
>>> Do bear in mind that top posting is actually the norm for email, unlike
>>> Usenet posting.
>>
>> It didn't use to be.
>>
> This!
> And I blame Microsoft
> And laziness...

Mainly Mickey$not - it appeared when they decided they'd take over the
internet.

--
Rusty Hinge
To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the BOFH.

On 10/03/2023 19:56, Sam Plusnet wrote:

>
> But Mr Robinson pointed out that it is pointless.
>

>

Is that while Mrs Robinson was trying to seduce Dustin?
Tone

On Fri, 10 Mar 2023 12:34:14 -0000
"Brian Gaff" <brian1gaff@gmail.com> wrote:

> I love you to top post it saves me scrolling all the way to the bottom to
> fine the poster has said. I agree.
> Brian
>
> --
>
> --:
> This newsgroup posting comes to you directly from...
> The Sofa of Brian Gaff...
> briang1@blueyonder.co.uk
> Blind user, so no pictures please
> Note this Signature is meaningless.!
> "RustyHinge" <rusty.hinge@foobar.girolle.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:tu9vi6$tj5a$1@dont-email.me...
> > The one you send to top-posters - runs to four lines, in reverse order...
> >

But you do manage to find our gems.

--
Bah, and indeed Humbug.

On 10/3/23 6:30 pm, Julian Macassey wrote:
> On Fri, 10 Mar 2023 09:00:03 +0000, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>> On Fri, 10 Mar 2023 07:59:31 -0000 (UTC)
>> Julian Macassey <julian@n6are.com> wrote:
>>
>>> There are users of e-mail that do not know you can delete
>>> useless text in e-mail, let alone use the cursor put text where you
>>> want it.
>>
>> In contexts where top posting is the norm that text is not useless,
>> it is essential! Unless the entire chain is present and complete in the
>> email someone getting added to the Cc list has nowhere to find the context.
>
> But in the days of quill pens and later IBM Selectrics,
> What then? Also do you want to struggle through gigsbytes of cruft?
>
>> It is only in mailing lists, USENET and 1:1 mail exchanges that
>> interleaved posting and snipping makes sense. The key factor being that the
>> context is available to all participants without needing it to be in the
>> message.
>> In corporate settings where an email chain is usually an ongoing
>> conversation between a growing group of people full quoting is essential
>> and top posting is more convenient than bottom (except for the one-off
>> catch up by reading bottom to top). If you snip and interleave in that
>> context you will mess things up for anyone who joins afterwards. The key
>> factor being that there is nowhere else for the context except in the
>> message.
>
> In all cases, including bidness, if you lurk, you will soon
> catch up.

True. I'm lurking and I'll soon catch up. I'm just dipping my toe back
into newsgroups after years away and it's comforting to find that the
same debate is still going on after many, many years. The same people
are still about, too. I'm old now and I don't like change. :-)

Regards,

Bob