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 by: max.it - Sat, 26 Mar 2022 17:01 UTC

of Joe Root's captaining.
I'd agree that Root's approach is even more bland than Cook's was.
Collingwood always struck me as an obstinate motivator but he doesn't
seem to be able to turn Joe into a captain or motivate him. If you
don't have the buzz you can't pass it on. Maybe he's just more
obstinate and less motivator than I thought.

WI have Phil Simmons who is easily one of the tip top cricket coaches
in the world.

max.it

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 by: Mike Holmans - Sat, 26 Mar 2022 17:30 UTC

On Sat, 26 Mar 2022 17:01:30 +0000, max.it <max@tea.time> wrote:

>
>of Joe Root's captaining.
>I'd agree that Root's approach is even more bland than Cook's was.
>Collingwood always struck me as an obstinate motivator but he doesn't
>seem to be able to turn Joe into a captain or motivate him. If you
>don't have the buzz you can't pass it on. Maybe he's just more
>obstinate and less motivator than I thought.

Root is a very nice guy and the players like him a lot. But he's a
fucking awful captain, and the Test team has no chance while he
remains in post.

Cheers,

Mike

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 by: max.it - Sat, 26 Mar 2022 17:53 UTC

On Sat, 26 Mar 2022 17:30:48 +0000, Mike Holmans <spam@jackalope.uk>
wrote:

>On Sat, 26 Mar 2022 17:01:30 +0000, max.it <max@tea.time> wrote:
>
>>
>>of Joe Root's captaining.
>>I'd agree that Root's approach is even more bland than Cook's was.
>>Collingwood always struck me as an obstinate motivator but he doesn't
>>seem to be able to turn Joe into a captain or motivate him. If you
>>don't have the buzz you can't pass it on. Maybe he's just more
>>obstinate and less motivator than I thought.
>
>Root is a very nice guy and the players like him a lot. But he's a
>fucking awful captain, and the Test team has no chance while he
>remains in post.
>
>Cheers,
>
>Mike

The entire team is in crisis just now @27/3

max.it

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 by: John Hall - Sat, 26 Mar 2022 18:50 UTC

In message <9bju3ht9n6d582qqj100fk8uq09ic7bc53@4ax.com>, Mike Holmans
<spam@jackalope.uk> writes
>On Sat, 26 Mar 2022 17:01:30 +0000, max.it <max@tea.time> wrote:
>
>>
>>of Joe Root's captaining.
>>I'd agree that Root's approach is even more bland than Cook's was.
>>Collingwood always struck me as an obstinate motivator but he doesn't
>>seem to be able to turn Joe into a captain or motivate him. If you
>>don't have the buzz you can't pass it on. Maybe he's just more
>>obstinate and less motivator than I thought.
>
>Root is a very nice guy and the players like him a lot. But he's a
>fucking awful captain, and the Test team has no chance while he
>remains in post.

I fear you're right, but good candidates to replace him seem very thin
on the ground.
--
John Hall
"Home is heaven and orgies are vile,
But you *need* an orgy, once in a while."
Ogden Nash (1902-1971)

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 by: Mike Holmans - Sat, 26 Mar 2022 19:20 UTC

On Sat, 26 Mar 2022 18:50:00 +0000, John Hall
<john_nospam@jhall.co.uk> wrote:

>In message <9bju3ht9n6d582qqj100fk8uq09ic7bc53@4ax.com>, Mike Holmans
><spam@jackalope.uk> writes
>>On Sat, 26 Mar 2022 17:01:30 +0000, max.it <max@tea.time> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>of Joe Root's captaining.
>>>I'd agree that Root's approach is even more bland than Cook's was.
>>>Collingwood always struck me as an obstinate motivator but he doesn't
>>>seem to be able to turn Joe into a captain or motivate him. If you
>>>don't have the buzz you can't pass it on. Maybe he's just more
>>>obstinate and less motivator than I thought.
>>
>>Root is a very nice guy and the players like him a lot. But he's a
>>fucking awful captain, and the Test team has no chance while he
>>remains in post.
>
>I fear you're right, but good candidates to replace him seem very thin
>on the ground.

In the i, Chris Stocks keeps pushing for Sam Billings, and it doesn't
seem implausible to me.

Cheers,

Mike

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 by: John Hall - Sat, 26 Mar 2022 21:48 UTC

In message <3ppu3h13l9hsi6h1iac7jbh7lge91jge7u@4ax.com>, Mike Holmans
<spam@jackalope.uk> writes
>On Sat, 26 Mar 2022 18:50:00 +0000, John Hall
><john_nospam@jhall.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>In message <9bju3ht9n6d582qqj100fk8uq09ic7bc53@4ax.com>, Mike Holmans
>><spam@jackalope.uk> writes
>>>On Sat, 26 Mar 2022 17:01:30 +0000, max.it <max@tea.time> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>of Joe Root's captaining.
>>>>I'd agree that Root's approach is even more bland than Cook's was.
>>>>Collingwood always struck me as an obstinate motivator but he doesn't
>>>>seem to be able to turn Joe into a captain or motivate him. If you
>>>>don't have the buzz you can't pass it on. Maybe he's just more
>>>>obstinate and less motivator than I thought.
>>>
>>>Root is a very nice guy and the players like him a lot. But he's a
>>>fucking awful captain, and the Test team has no chance while he
>>>remains in post.
>>
>>I fear you're right, but good candidates to replace him seem very thin
>>on the ground.
>
>In the i, Chris Stocks keeps pushing for Sam Billings, and it doesn't
>seem implausible to me.

I suppose it's possible. Does he have much red-ball captaincy
experience? It might be asking too much of him to keep, contribute with
the bat and captain, so I wonder if he'd play as a specialist batsman -
though Andy |Flower seemed to manage to combine all three jobs OK.

I'd be tempted to go for Stuart Broad. The problem is that it would be
asking a lot for a 35-year-old quick bowler to play in every match,
which you'd ideally like your captain to do. If only Rory Burns had been
a sure pick as opening bat, his captaincy experience would have made him
the obvious candidate.
--
John Hall
"Home is heaven and orgies are vile,
But you *need* an orgy, once in a while."
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 by: Mike Holmans - Sat, 26 Mar 2022 22:12 UTC

On Sat, 26 Mar 2022 21:48:16 +0000, John Hall
<john_nospam@jhall.co.uk> wrote:

>In message <3ppu3h13l9hsi6h1iac7jbh7lge91jge7u@4ax.com>, Mike Holmans
><spam@jackalope.uk> writes

>>In the i, Chris Stocks keeps pushing for Sam Billings, and it doesn't
>>seem implausible to me.
>
>I suppose it's possible. Does he have much red-ball captaincy
>experience? It might be asking too much of him to keep, contribute with
>the bat and captain, so I wonder if he'd play as a specialist batsman -
>though Andy |Flower seemed to manage to combine all three jobs OK.

He's been captaining Kent in the CC since 2018, so he has a bit of
red-ball captaincy experience.

Cheers,

Mike

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On Sunday, March 27, 2022 at 5:58:13 AM UTC+11, John Hall wrote:
> In message <9bju3ht9n6d582qqj...@4ax.com>, Mike Holmans
> <sp...@jackalope.uk> writes
> >On Sat, 26 Mar 2022 17:01:30 +0000, max.it <m...@tea.time> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>of Joe Root's captaining.
> >>I'd agree that Root's approach is even more bland than Cook's was.
> >>Collingwood always struck me as an obstinate motivator but he doesn't
> >>seem to be able to turn Joe into a captain or motivate him. If you
> >>don't have the buzz you can't pass it on. Maybe he's just more
> >>obstinate and less motivator than I thought.
> >
> >Root is a very nice guy and the players like him a lot. But he's a
> >fucking awful captain, and the Test team has no chance while he
> >remains in post.
> I fear you're right, but good candidates to replace him seem very thin
> on the ground.

Stokes displayed more initiative than Root when Root was off the field in the Ashes.
Whether you'd want to put the burden on him, and whether he'd survive his decisions that he'll try and break the partnerships is open to question.

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 by: John Hall - Sun, 27 Mar 2022 09:53 UTC

In message <em3v3htajn10ja2qlbphmnonbmcqr0mv82@4ax.com>, Mike Holmans
<spam@jackalope.uk> writes
>On Sat, 26 Mar 2022 21:48:16 +0000, John Hall
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>
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>><spam@jackalope.uk> writes
>
>>>In the i, Chris Stocks keeps pushing for Sam Billings, and it doesn't
>>>seem implausible to me.
>>
>>I suppose it's possible. Does he have much red-ball captaincy
>>experience? It might be asking too much of him to keep, contribute with
>>the bat and captain, so I wonder if he'd play as a specialist batsman -
>>though Andy |Flower seemed to manage to combine all three jobs OK.
>
>He's been captaining Kent in the CC since 2018, so he has a bit of
>red-ball captaincy experience.

Thanks.

I see that the BBC website is running a poll on who should be the
England captain. The options offered are Root, Stokes, Broad, Billings,
Bairstow and (rather bizarrely) Crawley.
--
John Hall
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Re: Vaughan is very critical

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 by: max.it - Sun, 27 Mar 2022 11:09 UTC

On Sun, 27 Mar 2022 10:53:34 +0100, John Hall
<john_nospam@jhall.co.uk> wrote:

>In message <em3v3htajn10ja2qlbphmnonbmcqr0mv82@4ax.com>, Mike Holmans
><spam@jackalope.uk> writes
>>On Sat, 26 Mar 2022 21:48:16 +0000, John Hall
>><john_nospam@jhall.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>In message <3ppu3h13l9hsi6h1iac7jbh7lge91jge7u@4ax.com>, Mike Holmans
>>><spam@jackalope.uk> writes
>>
>>>>In the i, Chris Stocks keeps pushing for Sam Billings, and it doesn't
>>>>seem implausible to me.
>>>
>>>I suppose it's possible. Does he have much red-ball captaincy
>>>experience? It might be asking too much of him to keep, contribute with
>>>the bat and captain, so I wonder if he'd play as a specialist batsman -
>>>though Andy |Flower seemed to manage to combine all three jobs OK.
>>
>>He's been captaining Kent in the CC since 2018, so he has a bit of
>>red-ball captaincy experience.
>
>Thanks.
>
>I see that the BBC website is running a poll on who should be the
>England captain. The options offered are Root, Stokes, Broad, Billings,
>Bairstow and (rather bizarrely) Crawley.

Stokes is out in front.

Joe Root 19%

Ben Stokes 28%

Stuart Broad 18%

Jonny Bairstow 9%

Sam Billings 8%

Zak Crawley 2%

Other 16%

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 by: John Hall - Sun, 27 Mar 2022 15:59 UTC

In message <dch04hp7hmr2tlav30i77tn9461l6k04al@4ax.com>, max. it
<max@tea.time> writes
>On Sun, 27 Mar 2022 10:53:34 +0100, John Hall
><john_nospam@jhall.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>In message <em3v3htajn10ja2qlbphmnonbmcqr0mv82@4ax.com>, Mike Holmans
>><spam@jackalope.uk> writes
>>>On Sat, 26 Mar 2022 21:48:16 +0000, John Hall
>>><john_nospam@jhall.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>>In message <3ppu3h13l9hsi6h1iac7jbh7lge91jge7u@4ax.com>, Mike Holmans
>>>><spam@jackalope.uk> writes
>>>
>>>>>In the i, Chris Stocks keeps pushing for Sam Billings, and it doesn't
>>>>>seem implausible to me.
>>>>
>>>>I suppose it's possible. Does he have much red-ball captaincy
>>>>experience? It might be asking too much of him to keep, contribute with
>>>>the bat and captain, so I wonder if he'd play as a specialist batsman -
>>>>though Andy |Flower seemed to manage to combine all three jobs OK.
>>>
>>>He's been captaining Kent in the CC since 2018, so he has a bit of
>>>red-ball captaincy experience.
>>
>>Thanks.
>>
>>I see that the BBC website is running a poll on who should be the
>>England captain. The options offered are Root, Stokes, Broad, Billings,
>>Bairstow and (rather bizarrely) Crawley.
>
>Stokes is out in front.
>
>Joe Root 19%
>
>Ben Stokes 28%
>
>Stuart Broad 18%
>
>Jonny Bairstow 9%
>
>Sam Billings 8%
>
>Zak Crawley 2%
>
>Other 16%
>

An article in my paper throws a couple mpre names into the mix: James
Vince and Tom Abell.
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John Hall
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 by: Mike Holmans - Sun, 27 Mar 2022 17:22 UTC

On Sun, 27 Mar 2022 16:59:27 +0100, John Hall
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>
>An article in my paper throws a couple mpre names into the mix: James
>Vince

Ah, the ever-disappointing Vince. Looks like the best batsman in the
world until the inevitable brain-fart when he's got 24.

Cheers,

Mike

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