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* Presbyterian Church of Queensland funds frozen but this amazes meDechucka
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|`* Re: Presbyterian Church of Queensland funds frozen but this amazes mePetzl
| `* Re: Presbyterian Church of Queensland funds frozen but this amazes meDechucka
|  +* Re: Presbyterian Church of Queensland funds frozen but this amazes meMax
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 by: Dechucka - Sat, 5 Jun 2021 01:45 UTC

"An exemption granted to charitable bodies allowed the church to operate
the fund without a financial services licence and allowed it to give
less information to investors than other funds are required to."
https://www.msn.com/en-au/money/news/regulator-investigates-presbyterian-church-of-queensland-fund-as-dollar26m-from-investors-frozen/ar-AAKIEjs

Getting people who are God struck to invest money to invest in a scheme
that has less information than normal investments is crazy. Sounds like
something a cult would get people to do or maybe a Nigerian scam.

Really it is time to strip Churches of any special benefits under the
law, they act like businesses and should be treated as such.

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 by: Henry Briggs - Sat, 5 Jun 2021 22:53 UTC

On Sat, 5 Jun 2021 11:45:02 +1000
Dechucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com> wrote:

> "An exemption granted to charitable bodies allowed the church to
> operate the fund without a financial services licence and allowed it
> to give less information to investors than other funds are required
> to."
> https://www.msn.com/en-au/money/news/regulator-investigates-presbyterian-church-of-queensland-fund-as-dollar26m-from-investors-frozen/ar-AAKIEjs
>
> Getting people who are God struck to invest money to invest in a
> scheme that has less information than normal investments is crazy.
> Sounds like something a cult would get people to do or maybe a
> Nigerian scam.
>
> Really it is time to strip Churches of any special benefits under the
> law, they act like businesses and should be treated as such.

Absolutely, they get the gullible all the time.

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From: pet...@gmail.com (Petzl)
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 by: Petzl - Sat, 5 Jun 2021 23:02 UTC

On Sun, 6 Jun 2021 08:53:20 +1000, Henry Briggs
<only.losers.killfile@fran.the.loser.com> wrote:

>On Sat, 5 Jun 2021 11:45:02 +1000
>Dechucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> "An exemption granted to charitable bodies allowed the church to
>> operate the fund without a financial services licence and allowed it
>> to give less information to investors than other funds are required
>> to."
>> https://www.msn.com/en-au/money/news/regulator-investigates-presbyterian-church-of-queensland-fund-as-dollar26m-from-investors-frozen/ar-AAKIEjs
>>
>> Getting people who are God struck to invest money to invest in a
>> scheme that has less information than normal investments is crazy.
>> Sounds like something a cult would get people to do or maybe a
>> Nigerian scam.
>>
>> Really it is time to strip Churches of any special benefits under the
>> law, they act like businesses and should be treated as such.
>
>Absolutely, they get the gullible all the time.
>
Bit of a leftie beat-up.

brochure says the fund is intended for investors whose primary purpose
is to “support the charitable purposes” of the church “and for whom
considerations of profit are not of primary relevance”
--
Petzl
Australia's parliament needs to obey our Constitutions,
the judiciary must apply the law!
Sir John Downer Kings Council, stated, when the Australian Constitution was finally adopted and on behalf of future generations,
‘Our Australian Commonwealth from its first stage will be a Christian Commonwealth’.

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 by: Dechucka - Sat, 5 Jun 2021 23:32 UTC

On 6/06/2021 9:02 am, Petzl wrote:
> On Sun, 6 Jun 2021 08:53:20 +1000, Henry Briggs
> <only.losers.killfile@fran.the.loser.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 5 Jun 2021 11:45:02 +1000
>> Dechucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> "An exemption granted to charitable bodies allowed the church to
>>> operate the fund without a financial services licence and allowed it
>>> to give less information to investors than other funds are required
>>> to."
>>> https://www.msn.com/en-au/money/news/regulator-investigates-presbyterian-church-of-queensland-fund-as-dollar26m-from-investors-frozen/ar-AAKIEjs
>>>
>>> Getting people who are God struck to invest money to invest in a
>>> scheme that has less information than normal investments is crazy.
>>> Sounds like something a cult would get people to do or maybe a
>>> Nigerian scam.
>>>
>>> Really it is time to strip Churches of any special benefits under the
>>> law, they act like businesses and should be treated as such.
>>
>> Absolutely, they get the gullible all the time.
>>
> Bit of a leftie beat-up.
>
> brochure says the fund is intended for investors whose primary purpose
> is to “support the charitable purposes” of the church “and for whom
> considerations of profit are not of primary relevance”

and your point is what? They invested money in an institute that didn't
have a financial license and gave out less information than a normal
investment institution just because the institution is a god botherer
one. If a non-church business did this they would be investigated and
charged by ASIC, who incidently had got close to recommending the
removal of these benefits in 2013. The Church acts like a business and
should be treated as one. In a secular country Churches of any religion
type etc should not be given a privileged position.

However with a happy clapper with Qanon links as PM nothing will change.

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 by: Max - Sat, 5 Jun 2021 23:36 UTC

On 5/06/2021 11:45 am, Dechucka wrote:
> "An exemption granted to charitable bodies allowed the church to operate
> the fund without a financial services licence and allowed it to give
> less information to investors than other funds are required to."
> https://www.msn.com/en-au/money/news/regulator-investigates-presbyterian-church-of-queensland-fund-as-dollar26m-from-investors-frozen/ar-AAKIEjs
>
>
> Getting people who are God struck to invest money to invest in a scheme
> that has less information than normal investments is crazy. Sounds like
> something a cult would get people to do or maybe a Nigerian scam.
>
> Really it is time to strip Churches of any special benefits under the
> law, they act like businesses and should be treated as such.

Would the same apply to all charitable bodies, not just churches ?

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 by: Max - Sat, 5 Jun 2021 23:40 UTC

On 6/06/2021 9:32 am, Dechucka wrote:
> On 6/06/2021 9:02 am, Petzl wrote:
>> On Sun, 6 Jun 2021 08:53:20 +1000, Henry Briggs
>> <only.losers.killfile@fran.the.loser.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 5 Jun 2021 11:45:02 +1000
>>> Dechucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "An exemption granted to charitable bodies allowed the church to
>>>> operate the fund without a financial services licence and allowed it
>>>> to give less information to investors than other funds are required
>>>> to."
>>>> https://www.msn.com/en-au/money/news/regulator-investigates-presbyterian-church-of-queensland-fund-as-dollar26m-from-investors-frozen/ar-AAKIEjs
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Getting people who are God struck to invest money to invest in a
>>>> scheme that has less information than normal investments is crazy.
>>>> Sounds like something a cult would get people to do or maybe a
>>>> Nigerian scam.
>>>>
>>>> Really it is time to strip Churches of any special benefits under the
>>>> law, they act like businesses and should be treated as such.
>>>
>>> Absolutely, they get the gullible all the time.
>>>
>> Bit of a leftie beat-up.
>>
>> brochure says the fund is intended for investors whose primary purpose
>> is to “support the charitable purposes” of the church “and for whom
>> considerations of profit are not of primary relevance”
>
> and your point is what? They invested money in an institute that didn't
> have a financial license and gave out less information than a normal
> investment institution just because the institution is a god botherer
> one. If a non-church business did this they would be investigated and
> charged by ASIC, who incidently had got close to recommending the
> removal of these benefits in 2013. The Church acts like a business and
> should be treated as one. In a secular country Churches of any religion
> type etc should not be given a privileged position.
>
> However with a happy clapper with Qanon links as PM nothing will change.

Why would you say this is a secular country? There is freedom of
religion. The majority of people identify with a religion and we have
the Christian holidays of Easter and Christmas. Plus there are Christian
prayers read out in parliament.

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 by: Max - Sat, 5 Jun 2021 23:41 UTC

On 6/06/2021 9:32 am, Dechucka wrote:
> On 6/06/2021 9:02 am, Petzl wrote:
>> On Sun, 6 Jun 2021 08:53:20 +1000, Henry Briggs
>> <only.losers.killfile@fran.the.loser.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 5 Jun 2021 11:45:02 +1000
>>> Dechucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "An exemption granted to charitable bodies allowed the church to
>>>> operate the fund without a financial services licence and allowed it
>>>> to give less information to investors than other funds are required
>>>> to."
>>>> https://www.msn.com/en-au/money/news/regulator-investigates-presbyterian-church-of-queensland-fund-as-dollar26m-from-investors-frozen/ar-AAKIEjs
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Getting people who are God struck to invest money to invest in a
>>>> scheme that has less information than normal investments is crazy.
>>>> Sounds like something a cult would get people to do or maybe a
>>>> Nigerian scam.
>>>>
>>>> Really it is time to strip Churches of any special benefits under the
>>>> law, they act like businesses and should be treated as such.
>>>
>>> Absolutely, they get the gullible all the time.
>>>
>> Bit of a leftie beat-up.
>>
>> brochure says the fund is intended for investors whose primary purpose
>> is to “support the charitable purposes” of the church “and for whom
>> considerations of profit are not of primary relevance”
>
> and your point is what? They invested money in an institute that didn't
> have a financial license and gave out less information than a normal
> investment institution just because the institution is a god botherer
> one. If a non-church business did this they would be investigated and
> charged by ASIC, who incidently had got close to recommending the
> removal of these benefits in 2013. The Church acts like a business and
> should be treated as one. In a secular country Churches of any religion
> type etc should not be given a privileged position.
>
> However with a happy clapper with Qanon links as PM nothing will change.

Why pick on churches? Other charitable bodies would be treated the same.

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 by: Dechucka - Sat, 5 Jun 2021 23:51 UTC

On 6/06/2021 9:36 am, Max wrote:
> On 5/06/2021 11:45 am, Dechucka wrote:
>> "An exemption granted to charitable bodies allowed the church to
>> operate the fund without a financial services licence and allowed it
>> to give less information to investors than other funds are required to."
>> https://www.msn.com/en-au/money/news/regulator-investigates-presbyterian-church-of-queensland-fund-as-dollar26m-from-investors-frozen/ar-AAKIEjs
>>
>>
>> Getting people who are God struck to invest money to invest in a
>> scheme that has less information than normal investments is crazy.
>> Sounds like something a cult would get people to do or maybe a
>> Nigerian scam.
>>
>> Really it is time to strip Churches of any special benefits under the
>> law, they act like businesses and should be treated as such.
>
> Would the same apply to all charitable bodies, not just churches ?

Of course if they are running an investment scheme as opposed to
accepting donation, the valid use of which should also be trasperent.
The Charity should have a financial license and there should be full
disclosure of information.

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 by: Dechucka - Sat, 5 Jun 2021 23:59 UTC

On 6/06/2021 9:40 am, Max wrote:
> On 6/06/2021 9:32 am, Dechucka wrote:
>> On 6/06/2021 9:02 am, Petzl wrote:
>>> On Sun, 6 Jun 2021 08:53:20 +1000, Henry Briggs
>>> <only.losers.killfile@fran.the.loser.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 5 Jun 2021 11:45:02 +1000
>>>> Dechucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "An exemption granted to charitable bodies allowed the church to
>>>>> operate the fund without a financial services licence and allowed it
>>>>> to give less information to investors than other funds are required
>>>>> to."
>>>>> https://www.msn.com/en-au/money/news/regulator-investigates-presbyterian-church-of-queensland-fund-as-dollar26m-from-investors-frozen/ar-AAKIEjs
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Getting people who are God struck to invest money to invest in a
>>>>> scheme that has less information than normal investments is crazy.
>>>>> Sounds like something a cult would get people to do or maybe a
>>>>> Nigerian scam.
>>>>>
>>>>> Really it is time to strip Churches of any special benefits under the
>>>>> law, they act like businesses and should be treated as such.
>>>>
>>>> Absolutely, they get the gullible all the time.
>>>>
>>> Bit of a leftie beat-up.
>>>
>>> brochure says the fund is intended for investors whose primary purpose
>>> is to “support the charitable purposes” of the church “and for whom
>>> considerations of profit are not of primary relevance”
>>
>> and your point is what? They invested money in an institute that
>> didn't have a financial license and gave out less information than a
>> normal investment institution just because the institution is a god
>> botherer one. If a non-church business did this they would be
>> investigated and charged by ASIC, who incidently had got close to
>> recommending the removal of these benefits in 2013. The Church acts
>> like a business and should be treated as one. In a secular country
>> Churches of any religion type etc should not be given a privileged
>> position.
>>
>> However with a happy clapper with Qanon links as PM nothing will change.
>
> Why would you say this is a secular country?

Because we are

> There is freedom of
> religion.  The majority of people identify with a religion

People may identify but don't practice in any way

>and we have
> the Christian holidays of Easter and Christmas.

They have turned into cultural not religiou holidays

> Plus there are Christian
> prayers read out in parliament.

Religion has affected our culture

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 by: Dechucka - Sun, 6 Jun 2021 00:01 UTC

On 6/06/2021 9:41 am, Max wrote:
> On 6/06/2021 9:32 am, Dechucka wrote:
>> On 6/06/2021 9:02 am, Petzl wrote:
>>> On Sun, 6 Jun 2021 08:53:20 +1000, Henry Briggs
>>> <only.losers.killfile@fran.the.loser.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 5 Jun 2021 11:45:02 +1000
>>>> Dechucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "An exemption granted to charitable bodies allowed the church to
>>>>> operate the fund without a financial services licence and allowed it
>>>>> to give less information to investors than other funds are required
>>>>> to."
>>>>> https://www.msn.com/en-au/money/news/regulator-investigates-presbyterian-church-of-queensland-fund-as-dollar26m-from-investors-frozen/ar-AAKIEjs
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Getting people who are God struck to invest money to invest in a
>>>>> scheme that has less information than normal investments is crazy.
>>>>> Sounds like something a cult would get people to do or maybe a
>>>>> Nigerian scam.
>>>>>
>>>>> Really it is time to strip Churches of any special benefits under the
>>>>> law, they act like businesses and should be treated as such.
>>>>
>>>> Absolutely, they get the gullible all the time.
>>>>
>>> Bit of a leftie beat-up.
>>>
>>> brochure says the fund is intended for investors whose primary purpose
>>> is to “support the charitable purposes” of the church “and for whom
>>> considerations of profit are not of primary relevance”
>>
>> and your point is what? They invested money in an institute that
>> didn't have a financial license and gave out less information than a
>> normal investment institution just because the institution is a god
>> botherer one. If a non-church business did this they would be
>> investigated and charged by ASIC, who incidently had got close to
>> recommending the removal of these benefits in 2013. The Church acts
>> like a business and should be treated as one. In a secular country
>> Churches of any religion type etc should not be given a privileged
>> position.
>>
>> However with a happy clapper with Qanon links as PM nothing will change.
>
> Why pick on churches?

I'm not but the Presbyterian Church of Queensland is the one with their
funds frozen in this case

>Other charitable bodies would be treated the same.

Of course the should when they run investment schemes

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 by: News 2021 - Sun, 6 Jun 2021 01:53 UTC

On Sun, 06 Jun 2021 09:59:00 +1000, Dechucka scribed:

> On 6/06/2021 9:40 am, Max wrote:
>> On 6/06/2021 9:32 am, Dechucka wrote:

>> Why would you say this is a secular country?
>
> Because we are
>
>> There is freedom of religion.  The majority of people identify with a
>> religion
>
> People may identify but don't practice in any way

It is just something to fill in on a form that came to you from a choice
your parents made or just passed on.

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On Sun, 06 Jun 2021 09:41:31 +1000, Max scribed:

> On 6/06/2021 9:32 am, Dechucka wrote:

>> However with a happy clapper with Qanon links as PM nothing will
>> change.
>
> Why pick on churches? Other charitable bodies would be treated the
> same.

They are not. Charities are examined all the time. Usually after a
complaint, but there is no legal authority to audits the activites of
churches.
Punch out a book of faith and register your own church. ron hubbard and
others have done it.

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 by: Phil Allison - Sun, 6 Jun 2021 03:02 UTC

News 2021 wrote:
==============
>
> > Why pick on churches? Other charitable bodies would be treated the
> > same.
>
> They are not. Charities are examined all the time. Usually after a
> complaint, but there is no legal authority to audits the activites of
> churches.

** Not the actual question - fuckwit.

Investment funds run by charities and churches are treated the same.
" An exemption granted to (all) charitable bodies allowed the church to operate the fund..."

There is a big difference between a fund run for shareholder and director profit and one that is not.
There is an even bigger one when the fund is run for a Govt approved social benefit and not just any damn thing.

FYI:

Satan is waiting with glee for cunts like you that hate God.

...... Phil

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 by: News 2021 - Sun, 6 Jun 2021 07:47 UTC

On Sat, 05 Jun 2021 20:02:35 -0700, Phil Allison scribed:

> News 2021 wrote:
> ==============
>>
>> > Why pick on churches? Other charitable bodies would be treated the
>> > same.
>>
>> They are not. Charities are examined all the time. Usually after a
>> complaint, but there is no legal authority to audits the activites of
>> churches.
>
>
> ** Not the actual question - fuckwit.

It is the one he posted phyllus.
>
> Investment funds run by charities and churches are treated the same.
> " An exemption granted to (all) charitable bodies allowed the church to
> operate the fund..."

Yep and yep. the gotcha is where the earnings go..
>
> There is a big difference between a fund run for shareholder and
> director profit and one that is not.

Nope. just in where the earnings go.

> There is an even bigger one when the fund is run for a Govt approved
> social benefit and not just any damn thing.
Which is? Or is this the usual phyllus waffle.
>
> FYI:
>
> Satan is waiting with glee for cunts like you that hate God.

Wow, a warm place for eternity.
Do you delude yourself with sky fairies that much.
Got your majik underwear!

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 by: Rod Speed - Sun, 6 Jun 2021 09:03 UTC

"Phil Allison" <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> News 2021 wrote:
> ==============
>>
>> > Why pick on churches? Other charitable bodies would be treated the
>> > same.
>>
>> They are not. Charities are examined all the time. Usually after a
>> complaint, but there is no legal authority to audits the activites of
>> churches.
>
>
> ** Not the actual question - fuckwit.
>
> Investment funds run by charities and churches are treated the same.
> " An exemption granted to (all) charitable bodies allowed the church to
> operate the fund..."
>
> There is a big difference between a fund run for shareholder and director
> profit and one that is not.
> There is an even bigger one when the fund is run for a Govt approved
> social benefit and not just any damn thing.

> FYI:

> Satan is waiting with glee for cunts like you that hate God.

Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed drunken fantasys.

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 by: Phil Allison - Sun, 6 Jun 2021 09:33 UTC

News 2021 wrote:
===============
>
> >>
> >> > Why pick on churches? Other charitable bodies would be treated the
> >> > same.
> >>
> >> They are not. Charities are examined all the time. Usually after a
> >> complaint, but there is no legal authority to audits the activites of
> >> churches.
> >
> >
> > ** Not the actual question - fuckwit.

> It is the one he posted

** Fucking bullshit .

> > Investment funds run by charities and churches are treated the same.
> > " An exemption granted to (all) charitable bodies allowed the church to
> > operate the fund..."
> Yep and yep. the gotcha is where the earnings go..
> >

** Fucking bullshit #2.

> > There is a big difference between a fund run for shareholder and
> > director profit and one that is not.
>
> Nope. just in where the earnings go.

** Fucking bullshit #3.

> > There is an even bigger one when the fund is run for a Govt approved
> > social benefit and not just any damn thing.
>
> Which is?

** Obvious to anyone but a dead cunt like you .

> > Satan is waiting with glee for cunts like you that hate God.
>
> Wow, a warm place for eternity.
>
** You wish.

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 by: Peter Jason - Sun, 6 Jun 2021 21:26 UTC

On Sat, 5 Jun 2021 11:45:02 +1000, Dechucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>"An exemption granted to charitable bodies allowed the church to operate
>the fund without a financial services licence and allowed it to give
>less information to investors than other funds are required to."
>https://www.msn.com/en-au/money/news/regulator-investigates-presbyterian-church-of-queensland-fund-as-dollar26m-from-investors-frozen/ar-AAKIEjs
>
>Getting people who are God struck to invest money to invest in a scheme
>that has less information than normal investments is crazy. Sounds like
>something a cult would get people to do or maybe a Nigerian scam.
>
>Really it is time to strip Churches of any special benefits under the
>law, they act like businesses and should be treated as such.

No doubt this is coming as their number of adherents dwindle.
The welfare state has all but rendered them obsolete

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 by: Rod Speed - Sun, 6 Jun 2021 22:17 UTC

"Peter Jason" <pj@jostle.com> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 5 Jun 2021 11:45:02 +1000, Dechucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>"An exemption granted to charitable bodies allowed the church to operate
>>the fund without a financial services licence and allowed it to give
>>less information to investors than other funds are required to."
>>https://www.msn.com/en-au/money/news/regulator-investigates-presbyterian-church-of-queensland-fund-as-dollar26m-from-investors-frozen/ar-AAKIEjs
>>
>>Getting people who are God struck to invest money to invest in a scheme
>>that has less information than normal investments is crazy. Sounds like
>>something a cult would get people to do or maybe a Nigerian scam.
>>
>>Really it is time to strip Churches of any special benefits under the
>>law, they act like businesses and should be treated as such.
>
> No doubt this is coming as their number of adherents dwindle.

That remains to be seen. imo its unlikely any time
soon, essentially because their adherents vote.

> The welfare state has all but rendered them obsolete

That isnt really true with the worst of the dregs like the
'homeless' who are mostly loonys. In fact the state uses
them to deliver some services instead of the state doing it.

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 by: Max - Sun, 6 Jun 2021 22:57 UTC

On 7/06/2021 8:17 am, Rod Speed wrote:
>
>
> "Peter Jason" <pj@jostle.com> wrote in message
> news:u8fqbgdvj2bttr7mao6avlop2bsjp73euf@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 5 Jun 2021 11:45:02 +1000, Dechucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> "An exemption granted to charitable bodies allowed the church to operate
>>> the fund without a financial services licence and allowed it to give
>>> less information to investors than other funds are required to."
>>> https://www.msn.com/en-au/money/news/regulator-investigates-presbyterian-church-of-queensland-fund-as-dollar26m-from-investors-frozen/ar-AAKIEjs
>>>
>>>
>>> Getting people who are God struck to invest money to invest in a scheme
>>> that has less information than normal investments is crazy. Sounds like
>>> something a cult would get people to do or maybe a Nigerian scam.
>>>
>>> Really it is time to strip Churches of any special benefits under the
>>> law, they act like businesses and should be treated as such.
>>
>> No doubt this is coming as their number of adherents dwindle.
>
> That remains to be seen. imo its unlikely any time
> soon, essentially because their adherents vote.
>
>> The welfare state has all but rendered them obsolete
>
> That isnt really true with the worst of the dregs like the
> 'homeless' who are mostly loonys. In fact the state uses
> them to deliver some services instead of the state doing it.

Is 'dregs' a nice way to describe unfortunate and disadvantaged people?
Some people are made redundant from their job and end up sleeping in
their car or in a tent in a park.

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 by: Dechucka - Mon, 7 Jun 2021 00:21 UTC

On 7/06/2021 7:26 am, Peter Jason wrote:
> On Sat, 5 Jun 2021 11:45:02 +1000, Dechucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> "An exemption granted to charitable bodies allowed the church to operate
>> the fund without a financial services licence and allowed it to give
>> less information to investors than other funds are required to."
>> https://www.msn.com/en-au/money/news/regulator-investigates-presbyterian-church-of-queensland-fund-as-dollar26m-from-investors-frozen/ar-AAKIEjs
>>
>> Getting people who are God struck to invest money to invest in a scheme
>> that has less information than normal investments is crazy. Sounds like
>> something a cult would get people to do or maybe a Nigerian scam.
>>
>> Really it is time to strip Churches of any special benefits under the
>> law, they act like businesses and should be treated as such.
>
> No doubt this is coming as their number of adherents dwindle.

Minimal at the moment in Australia

> The welfare state has all but rendered them obsolete

Not
nothhing in this to stop the churches doing the good work

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 by: Dechucka - Mon, 7 Jun 2021 00:23 UTC

On 7/06/2021 8:57 am, Max wrote:
> On 7/06/2021 8:17 am, Rod Speed wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Peter Jason" <pj@jostle.com> wrote in message
>> news:u8fqbgdvj2bttr7mao6avlop2bsjp73euf@4ax.com...
>>> On Sat, 5 Jun 2021 11:45:02 +1000, Dechucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "An exemption granted to charitable bodies allowed the church to
>>>> operate
>>>> the fund without a financial services licence and allowed it to give
>>>> less information to investors than other funds are required to."
>>>> https://www.msn.com/en-au/money/news/regulator-investigates-presbyterian-church-of-queensland-fund-as-dollar26m-from-investors-frozen/ar-AAKIEjs
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Getting people who are God struck to invest money to invest in a scheme
>>>> that has less information than normal investments is crazy. Sounds like
>>>> something a cult would get people to do or maybe a Nigerian scam.
>>>>
>>>> Really it is time to strip Churches of any special benefits under the
>>>> law, they act like businesses and should be treated as such.
>>>
>>> No doubt this is coming as their number of adherents dwindle.
>>
>> That remains to be seen. imo its unlikely any time
>> soon, essentially because their adherents vote.
>>
>>> The welfare state has all but rendered them obsolete
>>
>> That isnt really true with the worst of the dregs like the
>> 'homeless' who are mostly loonys. In fact the state uses
>> them to deliver some services instead of the state doing it.
>
> Is 'dregs' a nice way to describe unfortunate and disadvantaged people?

Lots of them do have mental health issues but are ignored by the State

> Some people are made redundant from their job and end up sleeping in
> their car or in a tent in a park.

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 by: Rod Speed - Mon, 7 Jun 2021 02:27 UTC

Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote
>>> Dechucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com> wrote

>>>> "An exemption granted to charitable bodies allowed the church to
>>>> operate the fund without a financial services licence and allowed it to
>>>> give less information to investors than other funds are required to."
>>>> https://www.msn.com/en-au/money/news/regulator-investigates-presbyterian-church-of-queensland-fund-as-dollar26m-from-investors-frozen/ar-AAKIEjs

>>>> Getting people who are God struck to invest money to invest in a scheme
>>>> that has less information than normal investments is crazy. Sounds like
>>>> something a cult would get people to do or maybe a Nigerian scam.

>>>> Really it is time to strip Churches of any special benefits under the
>>>> law, they act like businesses and should be treated as such.

>>> No doubt this is coming as their number of adherents dwindle.

>> That remains to be seen. imo its unlikely any time
>> soon, essentially because their adherents vote.

>>> The welfare state has all but rendered them obsolete

>> That isnt really true with the worst of the dregs like the
>> 'homeless' who are mostly loonys. In fact the state uses
>> them to deliver some services instead of the state doing it.

> Is 'dregs' a nice way to describe unfortunate and disadvantaged people?

More those who choose to put their hand out to charitys.

> Some people are made redundant from their job and end up sleeping in
> their car or in a tent in a park.

Only those actually stupid enough to have
no savings or only maxed out credit cards.

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 by: Rod Speed - Mon, 7 Jun 2021 02:29 UTC

"Dechucka" <Dechucka1@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On 7/06/2021 8:57 am, Max wrote:
>> On 7/06/2021 8:17 am, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "Peter Jason" <pj@jostle.com> wrote in message
>>> news:u8fqbgdvj2bttr7mao6avlop2bsjp73euf@4ax.com...
>>>> On Sat, 5 Jun 2021 11:45:02 +1000, Dechucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "An exemption granted to charitable bodies allowed the church to
>>>>> operate
>>>>> the fund without a financial services licence and allowed it to give
>>>>> less information to investors than other funds are required to."
>>>>> https://www.msn.com/en-au/money/news/regulator-investigates-presbyterian-church-of-queensland-fund-as-dollar26m-from-investors-frozen/ar-AAKIEjs
>>>>>
>>>>> Getting people who are God struck to invest money to invest in a
>>>>> scheme
>>>>> that has less information than normal investments is crazy. Sounds
>>>>> like
>>>>> something a cult would get people to do or maybe a Nigerian scam.
>>>>>
>>>>> Really it is time to strip Churches of any special benefits under the
>>>>> law, they act like businesses and should be treated as such.
>>>>
>>>> No doubt this is coming as their number of adherents dwindle.
>>>
>>> That remains to be seen. imo its unlikely any time
>>> soon, essentially because their adherents vote.
>>>
>>>> The welfare state has all but rendered them obsolete
>>>
>>> That isnt really true with the worst of the dregs like the
>>> 'homeless' who are mostly loonys. In fact the state uses
>>> them to deliver some services instead of the state doing it.
>>
>> Is 'dregs' a nice way to describe unfortunate and disadvantaged people?
>
> Lots of them do have mental health issues

Yes.

> but are ignored by the State

Nope, they get benefits from the state.

>> Some people are made redundant from their job and end up sleeping in
>> their car or in a tent in a park.

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 by: Peter Jason - Mon, 7 Jun 2021 07:06 UTC

On Mon, 7 Jun 2021 08:17:09 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
>"Peter Jason" <pj@jostle.com> wrote in message
>news:u8fqbgdvj2bttr7mao6avlop2bsjp73euf@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 5 Jun 2021 11:45:02 +1000, Dechucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>"An exemption granted to charitable bodies allowed the church to operate
>>>the fund without a financial services licence and allowed it to give
>>>less information to investors than other funds are required to."
>>>https://www.msn.com/en-au/money/news/regulator-investigates-presbyterian-church-of-queensland-fund-as-dollar26m-from-investors-frozen/ar-AAKIEjs
>>>
>>>Getting people who are God struck to invest money to invest in a scheme
>>>that has less information than normal investments is crazy. Sounds like
>>>something a cult would get people to do or maybe a Nigerian scam.
>>>
>>>Really it is time to strip Churches of any special benefits under the
>>>law, they act like businesses and should be treated as such.
>>
>> No doubt this is coming as their number of adherents dwindle.
>
>That remains to be seen. imo its unlikely any time
>soon, essentially because their adherents vote.
>
>> The welfare state has all but rendered them obsolete
>
>That isnt really true with the worst of the dregs like the
>'homeless' who are mostly loonys. In fact the state uses
>them to deliver some services instead of the state doing it.

The Salvation Army has a huge centre next to where I live. Is this
institution a church body?

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 by: Rod Speed - Mon, 7 Jun 2021 07:17 UTC

"Peter Jason" <pj@jostle.com> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 7 Jun 2021 08:17:09 +1000, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"Peter Jason" <pj@jostle.com> wrote in message
>>news:u8fqbgdvj2bttr7mao6avlop2bsjp73euf@4ax.com...
>>> On Sat, 5 Jun 2021 11:45:02 +1000, Dechucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>"An exemption granted to charitable bodies allowed the church to operate
>>>>the fund without a financial services licence and allowed it to give
>>>>less information to investors than other funds are required to."
>>>>https://www.msn.com/en-au/money/news/regulator-investigates-presbyterian-church-of-queensland-fund-as-dollar26m-from-investors-frozen/ar-AAKIEjs
>>>>
>>>>Getting people who are God struck to invest money to invest in a scheme
>>>>that has less information than normal investments is crazy. Sounds like
>>>>something a cult would get people to do or maybe a Nigerian scam.
>>>>
>>>>Really it is time to strip Churches of any special benefits under the
>>>>law, they act like businesses and should be treated as such.
>>>
>>> No doubt this is coming as their number of adherents dwindle.
>>
>>That remains to be seen. imo its unlikely any time
>>soon, essentially because their adherents vote.
>>
>>> The welfare state has all but rendered them obsolete
>>
>>That isnt really true with the worst of the dregs like the
>>'homeless' who are mostly loonys. In fact the state uses
>>them to deliver some services instead of the state doing it.

> The Salvation Army has a huge centre next to where I live.

Two of my mates are salvos.

> Is this institution a church body?

Yep. And its one of the charitys that the
state gets to do some stuff for them.

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