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* "Is County Cricket fit for purpose?"Andy Walker
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 by: Andy Walker - Tue, 5 Apr 2022 12:44 UTC

For those who missed it, a TMS podcast with the above title is
available at

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0bzd9f6

Principal contributors Paul Farbrace and Peter Moores. Nothing that
would surprise people here. They strongly oppose any reduction of the
f-c counties to twelve, think 2 divisions with promotion/relegation is
right, likewise 14 f-c matches per season. Important to have clear
routes from school/club to county. Test cricket in trouble outside
UK, with "crowds" often 150-200. Noted the impact of the franchises.
Think 50-over competition most likely to go to unclutter the season.
JZF and RH probably shouldn't listen unless their blood pressures are
under good control.

--
Andy Walker, Nottingham.
Andy's music pages: www.cuboid.me.uk/andy/Music
Composer of the day: www.cuboid.me.uk/andy/Music/Composers/Balakirev

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 by: RH - Tue, 5 Apr 2022 13:25 UTC

On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 1:44:34 PM UTC+1, Andy Walker wrote:
> For those who missed it, a TMS podcast with the above title is
> available at
>
> https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0bzd9f6
>
> Principal contributors Paul Farbrace and Peter Moores. Nothing that
> would surprise people here. They strongly oppose any reduction of the
> f-c counties to twelve, think 2 divisions with promotion/relegation is
> right, likewise 14 f-c matches per season. Important to have clear
> routes from school/club to county. Test cricket in trouble outside
> UK, with "crowds" often 150-200. Noted the impact of the franchises.
> Think 50-over competition most likely to go to unclutter the season.
> JZF and RH probably shouldn't listen unless their blood pressures are
> under good control.
>
> --
> Andy Walker, Nottingham.
> Andy's music pages: www.cuboid.me.uk/andy/Music
> Composer of the day: www.cuboid.me.uk/andy/Music/Composers/Balakirev

It is a nonstarter because counties would have to vote to themselves out of existence. There would be no bar to counties leaving to form an entirely new regime but that would not be under the ECB, nor would any of the assets and ongoing income of the ECB belong to the new organisation. rH

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 by: jack fredricks - Tue, 5 Apr 2022 13:32 UTC

On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 10:44:34 PM UTC+10, Andy Walker wrote:
> JZF and RH probably shouldn't listen unless their blood pressures are
> under good control.

Please tell me they said CC is not fit for purpose.

The amount and calibre of people saying it's not fit outweigh those saying it is.

https://wisden.com/series-stories/ashes-2021-22/how-long-have-you-got-joe-root-criticises-county-cricket-in-aftermath-of-ashes-debacle

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On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 1:44:34 PM UTC+1, Andy Walker wrote:
> For those who missed it, a TMS podcast with the above title is
> available at
>
> https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0bzd9f6
>
> Principal contributors Paul Farbrace and Peter Moores. Nothing that
> would surprise people here. They strongly oppose any reduction of the
> f-c counties to twelve, think 2 divisions with promotion/relegation is
> right, likewise 14 f-c matches per season. Important to have clear
> routes from school/club to county. Test cricket in trouble outside
> UK, with "crowds" often 150-200. Noted the impact of the franchises.
> Think 50-over competition most likely to go to unclutter the season.
> JZF and RH probably shouldn't listen unless their blood pressures are
> under good control.
>

Farbrace and Moores probably know more than most about CC and what theyr talking about.
Of course theyr guarding their own patch from a CC perspective, if either of them were in
charge of England they might see things somewhat differently, but I'm kinda of tired
of hearing people blame the test teams failures on the CC.

I dont think it was the CCs fault that da silva and the tailenders doubled the score in
Grenada, and Roots shortcomings in captaincy were surely his own, not the fault of CC.

There clearly are issues that need to be addressed as the Rafiq saga shows. Hopefully the
rather boorish sporty mentality which has prevailed at many clubs will be excised and a more
inclusive enviroment will encourage talented players from all parts of society, rather than mainly
private schools, to get to the top of the game.

mike

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On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 7:25:37 AM UTC+10, mike wrote:
> Of course theyr guarding their own patch from a CC perspective

About the only insightful thing you said.

The rest was just "head in the sand" mumbling. Denial.

If Root was the only person saying what he said I'd say he's just trying to pass the blame for his team's abject failures. But it's not just Root. So many players, ex-players, and coaches/staff are blaming County Cricket. And they have been for 40 years.

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Darren Gough, today: Gough feels the biggest problem with England's Test side is that there are "players who are not good enough"
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/cricket/england-joe-root-darren-gough-26648432

Are the England selectors to blame? Maybe there are some Test quality players lurking in the cupboard?
Or, perhaps, the selectors have picked the best of the bunch. If so, why can't County Cricket be blamed?

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On Thursday, 7 April 2022 at 02:58:50 UTC+1, jzfre...@gmail.com wrote:
> Darren Gough, today: Gough feels the biggest problem with England's Test side is that there are "players who are not good enough"
> https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/cricket/england-joe-root-darren-gough-26648432
>
> Are the England selectors to blame? Maybe there are some Test quality players lurking in the cupboard?
> Or, perhaps, the selectors have picked the best of the bunch. If so, why can't County Cricket be blamed?

I posted elsewhere - the selectors can only choose from the players available.

If Burns is taking centuries against every county then you pick him - if he doesn't cut it at test level then it's not a bad selection choice, it just means he's a flat track bully.

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On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 2:36:57 AM UTC+10, Nasti Chestikov wrote:
> If Burns is taking centuries against every county then you pick him - if he doesn't cut it at test level then it's not a bad selection choice, it just means he's a flat track bully.

Plenty of flat-ish tracks in Test cricket.
I would say the bowling in CC is mediocre, before anything else (given this scenario).

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