16 counties playing - Lancs and Yorks not playing

Total of 15 centuriees

Derbys
Durham Lees 182*
Esex Nick Browne 107, Alistair Cook 100 , Matt Critchley 132*
Glamorgan None
Gloucs James Bracey 117, Ryan Higgins 139
Hants Joe Wetherley 168
Kent Jordan Cox 129
Leics - None
Mddx None
Northants Rob Keogh 113
Nott Steve Mullaney 192, Joey Evison 109*
Somerset -None
Surrey Ben Foakes 132*
Sussex Tom Clark 100
Warks Lamb 106
Worcs Ed Pollock 112

Makes earlier season complaints of wickets being too helpful to seamers questionable.

RH

On Sunday, 10 April 2022 at 18:54:50 UTC+1, RH wrote:
> 16 counties playing - Lancs and Yorks not playing
>
> Total of 15 centuriees
>
> Derbys
> Durham Lees 182*
> Esex Nick Browne 107, Alistair Cook 100 , Matt Critchley 132*
> Glamorgan None
> Gloucs James Bracey 117, Ryan Higgins 139
> Hants Joe Wetherley 168
> Kent Jordan Cox 129
> Leics - None
> Mddx None
> Northants Rob Keogh 113
> Nott Steve Mullaney 192, Joey Evison 109*
> Somerset -None
> Surrey Ben Foakes 132*
> Sussex Tom Clark 100
> Warks Lamb 106

Burgess 178

> Worcs Ed Pollock 112
>
> Makes earlier season complaints of wickets being too helpful to seamers questionable.
>
> RH

On Sunday, April 10, 2022 at 7:24:02 PM UTC+1, Toby Briggs wrote:
> On Sunday, 10 April 2022 at 18:54:50 UTC+1, RH wrote:
> > 16 counties playing - Lancs and Yorks not playing
> >
> > Total of 15 centuriees
> >
> > Derbys
> > Durham Lees 182*
> > Esex Nick Browne 107, Alistair Cook 100 , Matt Critchley 132*
> > Glamorgan None
> > Gloucs James Bracey 117, Ryan Higgins 139
> > Hants Joe Wetherley 168
> > Kent Jordan Cox 129
> > Leics - None
> > Mddx None
> > Northants Rob Keogh 113
> > Nott Steve Mullaney 192, Joey Evison 109*
> > Somerset -None
> > Surrey Ben Foakes 132*
> > Sussex Tom Clark 100
> > Warks Lamb 106
> Burgess 178

Yes 178 in 221 balls for Warwickshire and amazing innings by all accounts

> > Worcs Ed Pollock 112
> >
> > Makes earlier season complaints of wickets being too helpful to seamers questionable.
> >
> > RH

updated
16 counties playing - Lancs and Yorks not playing
Total of 16 centuriees
Derbys none
Durham Lees 182*
Esex Nick Browne 107, Alistair Cook 100 , Matt Critchley 132*
Glamorgan None
Gloucs James Bracey 117, Ryan Higgins 139
Hants Joe Wetherley 168
Kent Jordan Cox 129
Leics - None
Mddx None
Northants Rob Keogh 113
Nott Steve Mullaney 192, Joey Evison 109*
Somerset -None
Surrey Ben Foakes 132*
Sussex Tom Clark 100
Warks Lamb 106 Burgess 178
Worcs Ed Pollock 112
Makes earlier season complaints of wickets being too helpful to seamers questionable.
RH

In message <64a68f01-7635-472a-a916-8693721bdd22n@googlegroups.com>, RH
<anywhere156@gmail.com> writes
>updated
> 16 counties playing - Lancs and Yorks not playing
>
> Total of 16 centuriees
>
> Derbys none
> Durham Lees 182*
> Esex Nick Browne 107, Alistair Cook 100 , Matt Critchley 132*
> Glamorgan None
> Gloucs James Bracey 117, Ryan Higgins 139
> Hants Joe Wetherley 168
> Kent Jordan Cox 129
> Leics - None
> Mddx None
> Northants Rob Keogh 113
> Nott Steve Mullaney 192, Joey Evison 109*
> Somerset -None
> Surrey Ben Foakes 132*
> Sussex Tom Clark 100
> Warks Lamb 106 Burgess 178
> Worcs Ed Pollock 112
>
> Makes earlier season complaints of wickets being too helpful to
>seamers questionable.

Also Compton of Kent, who I think I read is Denis's grandson.
--
John Hall
"Home is heaven and orgies are vile,
But you *need* an orgy, once in a while."
Ogden Nash (1902-1971)

On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 10:15:30 +0100, John Hall
<john_nospam@jhall.co.uk> wrote:

>In message <64a68f01-7635-472a-a916-8693721bdd22n@googlegroups.com>, RH
><anywhere156@gmail.com> writes
>>updated
>> 16 counties playing - Lancs and Yorks not playing
>>
>> Total of 16 centuriees
>>
>> Derbys none
>> Durham Lees 182*
>> Esex Nick Browne 107, Alistair Cook 100 , Matt Critchley 132*
>> Glamorgan None
>> Gloucs James Bracey 117, Ryan Higgins 139
>> Hants Joe Wetherley 168
>> Kent Jordan Cox 129
>> Leics - None
>> Mddx None
>> Northants Rob Keogh 113
>> Nott Steve Mullaney 192, Joey Evison 109*
>> Somerset -None
>> Surrey Ben Foakes 132*
>> Sussex Tom Clark 100
>> Warks Lamb 106 Burgess 178
>> Worcs Ed Pollock 112
>>
>> Makes earlier season complaints of wickets being too helpful to
>>seamers questionable.
>
>Also Compton of Kent, who I think I read is Denis's grandson.

Predictably, he omits the tons by Eskinazi (Middx), d'Oliveira (Worcs)
and Hassan Azad (Leics) for reasons which will not interest the
England selectors.

Cheers,

Mike

On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 10:20:34 AM UTC+1, John Hall wrote:
> In message <64a68f01-7635-472a...@googlegroups.com>, RH
> <anywh...@gmail.com> writes
> >updated
> > 16 counties playing - Lancs and Yorks not playing
> >
> > Total of 16 centuriees
> >
> > Derbys none
> > Durham Lees 182*
> > Esex Nick Browne 107, Alistair Cook 100 , Matt Critchley 132*
> > Glamorgan None
> > Gloucs James Bracey 117, Ryan Higgins 139
> > Hants Joe Wetherley 168
> > Kent Jordan Cox 129
> > Leics - None
> > Mddx None
> > Northants Rob Keogh 113
> > Nott Steve Mullaney 192, Joey Evison 109*
> > Somerset -None
> > Surrey Ben Foakes 132*
> > Sussex Tom Clark 100
> > Warks Lamb 106 Burgess 178
> > Worcs Ed Pollock 112
> >
> > Makes earlier season complaints of wickets being too helpful to
> >seamers questionable.
> Also Compton of Kent, who I think I read is Denis's grandson.
> --
> John Hall
> "Home is heaven and orgies are vile,
> But you *need* an orgy, once in a while."
> Ogden Nash (1902-1971)

South African by birth and upbringing .I would need to hear him speak and know how long he has been in the country. He might qualify under the Strauss Test .. RH

On Monday, 11 April 2022 at 10:20:34 UTC+1, John Hall wrote:
> In message <64a68f01-7635-472a...@googlegroups.com>, RH
> <anywh...@gmail.com> writes
> >updated
> > 16 counties playing - Lancs and Yorks not playing
> >
> > Total of 16 centuriees
> >
> > Derbys none
> > Durham Lees 182*
> > Esex Nick Browne 107, Alistair Cook 100 , Matt Critchley 132*
> > Glamorgan None
> > Gloucs James Bracey 117, Ryan Higgins 139
> > Hants Joe Wetherley 168
> > Kent Jordan Cox 129
> > Leics - None
> > Mddx None
> > Northants Rob Keogh 113
> > Nott Steve Mullaney 192, Joey Evison 109*
> > Somerset -None
> > Surrey Ben Foakes 132*
> > Sussex Tom Clark 100
> > Warks Lamb 106 Burgess 178
> > Worcs Ed Pollock 112
> >
> > Makes earlier season complaints of wickets being too helpful to
> >seamers questionable.
> Also Compton of Kent, who I think I read is Denis's grandson.
> --

Played against Ben in his first match over here. It was in a 3rd XI match, Reigate Priory vs Wimbledon (on my birthday in fact). They declared on 268 and we chased it down with a few overs to spare. Ben got 70 batting 3. Definitely an enjoyable game.

https://rp.play-cricket.com/website/results/1944331

On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 3:39:13 PM UTC+1, Toby Briggs wrote:
> On Monday, 11 April 2022 at 10:20:34 UTC+1, John Hall wrote:
> > In message <64a68f01-7635-472a...@googlegroups.com>, RH
> > <anywh...@gmail.com> writes
> > >updated
> > > 16 counties playing - Lancs and Yorks not playing
> > >
> > > Total of 16 centuriees
> > >
> > > Derbys none
> > > Durham Lees 182*
> > > Esex Nick Browne 107, Alistair Cook 100 , Matt Critchley 132*
> > > Glamorgan None
> > > Gloucs James Bracey 117, Ryan Higgins 139
> > > Hants Joe Wetherley 168
> > > Kent Jordan Cox 129
> > > Leics - None
> > > Mddx None
> > > Northants Rob Keogh 113
> > > Nott Steve Mullaney 192, Joey Evison 109*
> > > Somerset -None
> > > Surrey Ben Foakes 132*
> > > Sussex Tom Clark 100
> > > Warks Lamb 106 Burgess 178
> > > Worcs Ed Pollock 112
> > >
> > > Makes earlier season complaints of wickets being too helpful to
> > >seamers questionable.
> > Also Compton of Kent, who I think I read is Denis's grandson.
> > --
> Played against Ben in his first match over here. It was in a 3rd XI match, Reigate Priory vs Wimbledon (on my birthday in fact). They declared on 268 and we chased it down with a few overs to spare. Ben got 70 batting 3. Definitely an enjoyable game.
>
> https://rp.play-cricket.com/website/results/1944331

Whatever RH says, i'm pretty sure he is qualified to play for england, although he has
also played in zimbabwe. Hes getting his big chance quite late at 28.

Those pitches at chelmsford and brum must have been belters. maybe the ecb has
told the counties to prepare some roads so that the batters get plenty of big innings
before all the tests this summer. They must have been v pleased to see Lees make
163. Strangely he is seen, it seems, as 1 of the successes of the windies tour. A high
score of 31 and an average of 21 from 3 tests isnt my idea of success especially
when 2 were played on pretty dead wickets.

mike

mike

On Tuesday, April 12, 2022 at 9:13:41 AM UTC+10, mike wrote:
> Those pitches at chelmsford and brum must have been belters. maybe the ecb has
> told the counties to prepare some roads so that the batters get plenty of big innings
> before all the tests this summer.

I've been assure countless time by the mob of arm-chair groundsmen in this ng that it is literally impossible to make a "road" pitch in the UK, apart from on a single, midsummer Tuesday.

In message <f480a66e-827a-4d4e-94ca-ccd02131160dn@googlegroups.com>,
mike <dmike204@yahoo.co.uk> writes
>Those pitches at chelmsford and brum must have been belters. maybe the
>ecb has told the counties to prepare some roads so that the batters get
>plenty of big innings before all the tests this summer. They must have
>been v pleased to see Lees make 163. Strangely he is seen, it seems, as
>1 of the successes of the windies tour. A high score of 31 and an
>average of 21 from 3 tests isnt my idea of success especially when 2
>were played on pretty dead wickets.

Well he was generally successful in the primary task of an opening
batsman, of batting for long enough to see off the new ball. Admittedly
England were usually collapsing at the other end, but that was hardly
his fault. I wouldn't exactly say he was a success, but I think he did
well enough to be worth persevering with for a while, especially as the
cupboard is hardly well-stocked with compelling alternatives.

BTW, tomorrow I'm going off on a cruise (assuming that I don't test
positive for Covid in the meantime), so I won't be around again until
2nd May.
--
John Hall
"Home is heaven and orgies are vile,
But you *need* an orgy, once in a while."
Ogden Nash (1902-1971)

On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 09:56:14 +0100, John Hall
<john_nospam@jhall.co.uk> wrote:

>In message <f480a66e-827a-4d4e-94ca-ccd02131160dn@googlegroups.com>,
>mike <dmike204@yahoo.co.uk> writes
> Strangely [Lees] is seen, it seems, as
>>1 of the successes of the windies tour. A high score of 31 and an
>>average of 21 from 3 tests isnt my idea of success especially when 2
>>were played on pretty dead wickets.
>
>Well he was generally successful in the primary task of an opening
>batsman, of batting for long enough to see off the new ball. Admittedly
>England were usually collapsing at the other end, but that was hardly
>his fault. I wouldn't exactly say he was a success, but I think he did
>well enough to be worth persevering with for a while, especially as the
>cupboard is hardly well-stocked with compelling alternatives.

Given the deluded fantasy world in which Root and Collingwood are
apparently living, not being an embarrassing failure is enough to be
considered a success. Lees has also avoided catching the illiberal
bigot's baleful eye, so he doesn't have to shake off the curse of
praise from that quarter.

>BTW, tomorrow I'm going off on a cruise (assuming that I don't test
>positive for Covid in the meantime), so I won't be around again until
>2nd May.

Never mind. If you don't test positive before leaving, you almost
certainly will on your return. Try not to drown.

Cheers,

Mike

On 12/04/2022 10:48, Mike Holmans wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 09:56:14 +0100, John Hall
> <john_nospam@jhall.co.uk> wrote:
>> BTW, tomorrow I'm going off on a cruise (assuming that I don't test
>> positive for Covid in the meantime), so I won't be around again until
>> 2nd May.
> Never mind. If you don't test positive before leaving, you almost
> certainly will on your return. Try not to drown.

Indeed. Further, now you've told us all when you're away, perhaps
you could tell us your address and whether you've left the key under the
plant pot, just in case any of us decide that a holiday near London would
be nice. After all, no burglars read this group. Have a good time!

--
Andy Walker, Nottingham.
Andy's music pages: www.cuboid.me.uk/andy/Music
Composer of the day: www.cuboid.me.uk/andy/Music/Composers/Palmgren

On Tuesday, 12 April 2022 at 10:01:11 UTC+1, John Hall wrote:
> In message <f480a66e-827a-4d4e...@googlegroups.com>,
> mike <dmik...@yahoo.co.uk> writes
> >Those pitches at chelmsford and brum must have been belters. maybe the
> >ecb has told the counties to prepare some roads so that the batters get
> >plenty of big innings before all the tests this summer. They must have
> >been v pleased to see Lees make 163. Strangely he is seen, it seems, as
> >1 of the successes of the windies tour. A high score of 31 and an
> >average of 21 from 3 tests isnt my idea of success especially when 2
> >were played on pretty dead wickets.
> Well he was generally successful in the primary task of an opening
> batsman, of batting for long enough to see off the new ball. Admittedly
> England were usually collapsing at the other end, but that was hardly
> his fault. I wouldn't exactly say he was a success, but I think he did
> well enough to be worth persevering with for a while, especially as the
> cupboard is hardly well-stocked with compelling alternatives.

Considering how long the selectors have been scraping the bottom of the barrel, it's amazing that they didn't come up with Lees before. ;)

On Tuesday, April 12, 2022 at 3:56:23 PM UTC+10, jzfre...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, April 12, 2022 at 9:13:41 AM UTC+10, mike wrote:
> > Those pitches at chelmsford and brum must have been belters. maybe the ecb has
> > told the counties to prepare some roads so that the batters get plenty of big innings
> > before all the tests this summer.
> I've been assure countless time by the mob of arm-chair groundsmen in this ng that it is literally impossible to make a "road" pitch in the UK, apart from on a single, midsummer Tuesday.

No, you've been told that quick, fast, bouncy pitches are hard to make in the UK particularly early in the season and it's been suggested that that many grounds won't be able to manage it without replacing the square.

On Tuesday, April 12, 2022 at 1:42:53 PM UTC+1, Andy Walker wrote:
> On 12/04/2022 10:48, Mike Holmans wrote:
> > On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 09:56:14 +0100, John Hall
> > <john_...@jhall.co.uk> wrote:
> >> BTW, tomorrow I'm going off on a cruise (assuming that I don't test
> >> positive for Covid in the meantime), so I won't be around again until
> >> 2nd May.
> > Never mind. If you don't test positive before leaving, you almost
> > certainly will on your return. Try not to drown.
> Indeed. Further, now you've told us all when you're away, perhaps
> you could tell us your address and whether you've left the key under the
> plant pot, just in case any of us decide that a holiday near London would
> be nice. After all, no burglars read this group. Have a good time!

Dr B-M rashly engages in what he fondly imagines is the height of humor ... RH
>
> --
> Andy Walker, Nottingham.
> Andy's music pages: www.cuboid.me.uk/andy/Music
> Composer of the day: www.cuboid.me.uk/andy/Music/Composers/Palmgren

On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 06:27:39 -0700 (PDT), Hamish Laws
<hamish.laws@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Tuesday, April 12, 2022 at 3:56:23 PM UTC+10, jzfre...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Tuesday, April 12, 2022 at 9:13:41 AM UTC+10, mike wrote:
>> > Those pitches at chelmsford and brum must have been belters. maybe the ecb has
>> > told the counties to prepare some roads so that the batters get plenty of big innings
>> > before all the tests this summer.
>> I've been assure countless time by the mob of arm-chair groundsmen in this ng that it is literally impossible to make a "road" pitch in the UK, apart from on a single, midsummer Tuesday.
>
>No, you've been told that quick, fast, bouncy pitches are hard to make in the UK particularly early in the season and it's been suggested that that many grounds won't be able to manage it without replacing the square.

High scores don't necessarily indicate belters, either. We've just
watched a Test series in WI where scores were large and the pitches
offered nothing to any bowler of any type. Not that that will deter
experts like jzf and the illiberal bigot from drawing whatever
conclusions best fit their agendas by superficial scorecard analysis.

Cheers,

Mike

On Sunday, April 10, 2022 at 7:24:02 PM UTC+1, Toby Briggs wrote:
> On Sunday, 10 April 2022 at 18:54:50 UTC+1, RH wrote:

Here's a question for you, Toby, from your experience in good quality club cricket how many bowlers at that level would qualify as fast medium?

RH

On Tuesday, April 12, 2022 at 11:27:40 PM UTC+10, hamis...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, April 12, 2022 at 3:56:23 PM UTC+10, jzfre...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Tuesday, April 12, 2022 at 9:13:41 AM UTC+10, mike wrote:
> > > Those pitches at chelmsford and brum must have been belters. maybe the ecb has
> > > told the counties to prepare some roads so that the batters get plenty of big innings
> > > before all the tests this summer.
> > I've been assure countless time by the mob of arm-chair groundsmen in this ng that it is literally impossible to make a "road" pitch in the UK, apart from on a single, midsummer Tuesday.
> No, you've been told that quick, fast, bouncy pitches are hard to make in the UK particularly early in the season and it's been suggested that that many grounds won't be able to manage it without replacing the square.

Which just goes to show how wilfully obtuse said posters are, as no one (not I, not the cricket players/staff I echo) have called for pitches like that.

On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 16:29:26 +0100, Mike Holmans <spam@jackalope.uk>
wrote:

>High scores don't necessarily indicate belters, either. We've just
>watched a Test series in WI where scores were large and the pitches
>offered nothing to any bowler of any type.

To be fair, given the Test team's perennial difficulties with taking
wickets once the new ball has stopped swinging, it's not entirely
unhelpful to play on pitches which are at death's door if not
completely consumed with rigor mortis. They're not dry enough to offer
much turn or abrasion in the field to encourage reverse swing, so the
79mph merchants will just toil away waiting for mistakes unless they
start to develop some extra skills.

Of course one can play cricket in England in April. What is difficult
is getting the conditions to play high-quality cricket.

Cheers,

Mike

On Wednesday, April 13, 2022 at 9:01:44 PM UTC+10, Mike Holmans wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 16:29:26 +0100, Mike Holmans <sp...@jackalope.uk>
> wrote:
> >High scores don't necessarily indicate belters, either. We've just
> >watched a Test series in WI where scores were large and the pitches
> >offered nothing to any bowler of any type.
> To be fair, given the Test team's perennial difficulties with taking
> wickets once the new ball has stopped swinging, it's not entirely
> unhelpful to play on pitches which are at death's door if not
> completely consumed with rigor mortis. They're not dry enough to offer
> much turn or abrasion in the field to encourage reverse swing, so the
> 79mph merchants will just toil away waiting for mistakes unless they
> start to develop some extra skills.

In other words - pitches deliberately made to assist the medium pace dibbly dobblers
will do just that, at the cost of not just learning to bowl pace and spin, but also at the cost of not even picking quicks and spinners (more of an issue with the former).

> Of course one can play cricket in England in April. What is difficult
> is getting the conditions to play high-quality cricket.

More armchair groundman-ing.