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State of County Cricket

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I'm listening to this live stream of Lancashire vs Warwickshire while I pass some time;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1t6upodk8yQ

Daniel Gidney, the Chief Executive of Lancashire CC, has just finished a long chat about the state of CC.

He thinks the biggest problem is the pitches, and the lack of incentive to make good pitches. He's suggested bonus funds being given to counties that make better (closer to Test quality) pitches.
Plenty on scheduling and stuff, too. I *think* you can rewind the live stream to hear what he has to say.

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On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 11:32:49 AM UTC+1, jzfre...@gmail.com wrote:
> I'm listening to this live stream of Lancashire vs Warwickshire while I pass some time;
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1t6upodk8yQ
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> Daniel Gidney, the Chief Executive of Lancashire CC, has just finished a long chat about the state of CC.
>
> He thinks the biggest problem is the pitches, and the lack of incentive to make good pitches.

How does he explain the heavy scoring in April/May this year? RH

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In message <9fd8bad6-46b3-4a6d-953e-aae9a5a4e81fn@googlegroups.com>, RH
<anywhere156@gmail.com> writes
>On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 11:32:49 AM UTC+1, jzfre...@gmail.com wrote:
>> I'm listening to this live stream of Lancashire vs Warwickshire while
>>I pass some time;
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1t6upodk8yQ
>>
>> Daniel Gidney, the Chief Executive of Lancashire CC, has just
>>finished a long chat about the state of CC.
>>
>> He thinks the biggest problem is the pitches, and the lack of
>>incentive to make good pitches.
>
>
>How does he explain the heavy scoring in April/May this year? RH

I don't know how HE explains it, but have read that the seam on the
Dukes ball has been reduced in prominence this season, which - combined
with generally decent weather - seems the most likely explanation.
--
John Hall
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But you *need* an orgy, once in a while."
Ogden Nash (1902-1971)

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On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 1:02:30 AM UTC+10, RH wrote:
> How does he explain the heavy scoring in April/May this year? RH

Not that I recall.

The live stream is available as a replay here;

https://youtu.be/1t6upodk8yQ?t=1079

[I started summarising the convo, as follows;]

Whenever England get walloped, the talk turns to 'a crisis in County Cricket".
So.. where are we? How's the domestic game?
Einstein once said "if you keep doing things the same way but expect different results you're insane". So... our game might be a bit insane in that respect.
He said this lightheartedly/facetiously.
But seriously, there are a lot of challenges.
His 10th season in CC, and we always seem to be navel-gazing and talking about what we can do better.
We always ask the right questions, but we as a game never seem to come up with the right answers. That is one of the big challenges.
Praise of Strauss.
High Performance review.
Counties being asked to think of what's best of English cricket, and not just the Counties.
Most controversial issue is 12 teams.
He seems to support this as an upper tier of CC, but also supports expanding CC to 20/21 teams, saying there are some excellent "national counties" with cricket teams operating really well on 1/10th the budget of CC teams.
More teams means a real pyramid. 12 team premier league, 10-12 team lower league. Having 12 top and 6 bottom is strange.
The problem is for some counties 85% of their revenue comes from ECB.
What is the role of Counties? If you're a county that's not hosting international cricket, nor supplying the Test team with players, or supporting recreational cricket... then what ARE you doing in County Cricket?
He said another county might say "our purpose is to win the Blast". He says that's not really a purpose.
He believes a County's purpose is to develop players. Some Counties are good at this. Others are not.
Strauss is asking difficult questions that we should welcome.
Especially if we want to consider sustainability.
Is your feeling that things will be quite different in 12 months time? Yes.

[have to go out now, sorry].

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On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 6:49:51 PM UTC+1, John Hall wrote:
> In message <9fd8bad6-46b3-4a6d...@googlegroups.com>, RH
> <anywh...@gmail.com> writes
> >On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 11:32:49 AM UTC+1, jzfre...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> I'm listening to this live stream of Lancashire vs Warwickshire while
> >>I pass some time;
> >>
> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1t6upodk8yQ
> >>
> >> Daniel Gidney, the Chief Executive of Lancashire CC, has just
> >>finished a long chat about the state of CC.
> >>
> >> He thinks the biggest problem is the pitches, and the lack of
> >>incentive to make good pitches.
> >
> >
> >How does he explain the heavy scoring in April/May this year? RH
> I don't know how HE explains it, but have read that the seam on the
> Dukes ball has been reduced in prominence this season, which - combined
> with generally decent weather - seems the most likely explanation.
> --
> John Hall

The Duke ball does have a less prominent seam but it cannot be that different. Even in 1990 when a ball with a less prominent seam was used it did not emasculate bowlers in the way this year's Duke ball has done.

It is noticeable that Darren Stevens' bowling has dropped away spectacularly. RH

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In message <0a84fff7-827a-47f8-8a6e-0eaae2b53f73n@googlegroups.com>, RH
<anywhere156@gmail.com> writes
>The Duke ball does have a less prominent seam but it cannot be that
>different. Even in 1990 when a ball with a less prominent seam was
>used it did not emasculate bowlers in the way this year's Duke ball has
>done.

I'd disagree about 1990. I still remember Surrey 707-9d v Lancashire 963
(scores from memory, but I'm fairly confident that they are right).

Looking up the averages for 1990: In the County Championship,
disregarding players who played in fewer than 7 matches, 11 batsmen
averaged over 70. Only 12 bowlers who bowled 100 balls or more averaged
under 25.

It's true that this season there are currently more batsmen with high
averages than in 1990, but that's because at this stage of the season
the figures are for only 4 matches. (For the same reason, there are
currently far more bowlers with low averages than in 1990.)
--
John Hall
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But you *need* an orgy, once in a while."
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On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 6:56:49 PM UTC+10, RH wrote:
> It is noticeable that Darren Stevens' bowling has dropped away spectacularly. RH

Have. The. Pitches. Improved?

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On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 10:48:02 AM UTC+1, John Hall wrote:
> In message <0a84fff7-827a-47f8...@googlegroups.com>, RH
> <anywh...@gmail.com> writes
> >The Duke ball does have a less prominent seam but it cannot be that
> >different. Even in 1990 when a ball with a less prominent seam was
> >used it did not emasculate bowlers in the way this year's Duke ball has
> >done.
> I'd disagree about 1990. I still remember Surrey 707-9d v Lancashire 963
> (scores from memory, but I'm fairly confident that they are right).
>
> Looking up the averages for 1990: In the County Championship,
> disregarding players who played in fewer than 7 matches, 11 batsmen
> averaged over 70. Only 12 bowlers who bowled 100 balls or more averaged
> under 25.
>
> It's true that this season there are currently more batsmen with high
> averages than in 1990, but that's because at this stage of the season
> the figures are for only 4 matches. (For the same reason, there are
> currently far more bowlers with low averages than in 1990.)
> --
But why would the number of matches played have an effect of the averages?

RH

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On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 9:56:06 PM UTC+10, RH wrote:
> But why would the number of matches played have an effect of the averages?

What is easier?
a) averaging 100 over 1 match?
b) averaging 100 over 50 matches?

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 by: RH - Sun, 8 May 2022 11:57 UTC

On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 10:50:11 AM UTC+1, jzfre...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 6:56:49 PM UTC+10, RH wrote:
> > It is noticeable that Darren Stevens' bowling has dropped away spectacularly. RH
> Have. The. Pitches. Improved?

It depends what you mean by improved. What do you mean? RH

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 by: RH - Sun, 8 May 2022 12:25 UTC

On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 12:57:20 PM UTC+1, jzfre...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 9:56:06 PM UTC+10, RH wrote:
> > But why would the number of matches played have an effect of the averages?
> What is easier?
> a) averaging 100 over 1 match?
> b) averaging 100 over 50 matches?

No one who understood cricket stats would ever do that, as indeed John did not do because he looks for those with averages bassd on a number of matches/innings. To make any sense of CC stats a minimum qualifying number of games would be stipulated.

RH

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On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 9:57:46 PM UTC+10, RH wrote:
> On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 10:50:11 AM UTC+1, jzfre...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 6:56:49 PM UTC+10, RH wrote:
> > > It is noticeable that Darren Stevens' bowling has dropped away spectacularly. RH
> > Have. The. Pitches. Improved?
> It depends what you mean by improved. What do you mean? RH

Harder. Faster.
Less assistance to medium pace dibbly dobblers.

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 by: Mike Holmans - Sun, 8 May 2022 13:21 UTC

On Sun, 8 May 2022 10:43:27 +0100, John Hall <john_nospam@jhall.co.uk>
wrote:

>In message <0a84fff7-827a-47f8-8a6e-0eaae2b53f73n@googlegroups.com>, RH
><anywhere156@gmail.com> writes
>>The Duke ball does have a less prominent seam but it cannot be that
>>different. Even in 1990 when a ball with a less prominent seam was
>>used it did not emasculate bowlers in the way this year's Duke ball has
>>done.
>
>I'd disagree about 1990. I still remember Surrey 707-9d v Lancashire 963
>(scores from memory, but I'm fairly confident that they are right).

I can't be bothered to look up that match scorecard either but on the
general point, you are 100% correct and the village idiot is, as
usual, making up nonsense to prop up his ludicrous belief that the
present is necessarily worse than the past.

Cheers,

Mike

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In message <c9b6c2c3-0e0c-477e-b59a-2dad55e2f99bn@googlegroups.com>,
jack fredricks <jzfredricks@gmail.com> writes
>On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 9:56:06 PM UTC+10, RH wrote:
>> But why would the number of matches played have an effect of the averages?
>
>What is easier?
>a) averaging 100 over 1 match?
>b) averaging 100 over 50 matches?
>

Just so. It's a lot easier to average 70, say, over four matches (which
is all that most players have completed at the moment of typing) than
over a full season (which was 22 matches back in 1990).
--
John Hall
"Home is heaven and orgies are vile,
But you *need* an orgy, once in a while."
Ogden Nash (1902-1971)

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On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 10:25:20 PM UTC+10, RH wrote:
> To make any sense of CC stats a minimum qualifying number of games would be stipulated.

Lol

John did that! Well, he stipulated a minimum of 7 innings. Same thing.

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On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 5:20:52 PM UTC+1, John Hall wrote:
> In message <c9b6c2c3-0e0c-477e...@googlegroups.com>,
> jack fredricks <jzfre...@gmail.com> writes
> >On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 9:56:06 PM UTC+10, RH wrote:
> >> But why would the number of matches played have an effect of the averages?
> >
> >What is easier?
> >a) averaging 100 over 1 match?
> >b) averaging 100 over 50 matches?
> >
> Just so. It's a lot easier to average 70, say, over four matches (which
> is all that most players have completed at the moment of typing) than
> over a full season (which was 22 matches back in 1990).
> --

I wonder if the ECB have asked the counties to prepare better wickets for
batting this spring or its just an accident from the very dry weather we're
having [wildfires in scotland in april!]. That or the changed ball as you've said
already may have something to do with it.

Certainly some batters seem to be taking advantage: that young chap at
essex with a century in both innings, and brook at yorkshire and dickson at
durham for example. other former england openers also did well in this round,
sibley, jennings and burns all made very slow tedious 100s, but i really hope
we dont see any of them this summer for england or Lees either, who
seems a sibley mk2. On the other hand robson made a whirlwind 149 as
middlesex made 370 to beat sussex despite a welcome return for robinson
who took 7 in the match.

I notice that Glamorgan had 3 oz born players in thier side. I wonder whats
the record for overseas players from 1 test country in a county XI? I remember
that in the 70s when warwicks won the CC, maybe 1972, they had a lot
of west indians in their squad. They def had kanhai and kallicharan, prob
Murray and Gibbs too. Also Marnus bowled 30 overs in Glamorgans match,
he cant have done that too often.

mike

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On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 7:08:21 AM UTC+10, mike davis wrote:
> I wonder if the ECB have asked the counties to prepare better wickets for
> batting this spring

The ECB started asking for this a few seasons ago. From what I've read.

It just seems CC changes are glacial.

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 by: David North - Mon, 9 May 2022 05:04 UTC

On 08/05/2022 09:56, RH wrote:
> On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 6:49:51 PM UTC+1, John Hall wrote:
>> In message <9fd8bad6-46b3-4a6d...@googlegroups.com>, RH
>> <anywh...@gmail.com> writes
>>> On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 11:32:49 AM UTC+1, jzfre...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> I'm listening to this live stream of Lancashire vs Warwickshire while
>>>> I pass some time;
>>>>
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1t6upodk8yQ
>>>>
>>>> Daniel Gidney, the Chief Executive of Lancashire CC, has just
>>>> finished a long chat about the state of CC.
>>>>
>>>> He thinks the biggest problem is the pitches, and the lack of
>>>> incentive to make good pitches.
>>>
>>>
>>> How does he explain the heavy scoring in April/May this year? RH
>> I don't know how HE explains it, but have read that the seam on the
>> Dukes ball has been reduced in prominence this season, which - combined
>> with generally decent weather - seems the most likely explanation.
>
> The Duke ball does have a less prominent seam but it cannot be that different. Even in 1990 when a ball with a less prominent seam was used it did not emasculate bowlers in the way this year's Duke ball has done.

The overall bowling average in the CC so far this season is 35.22. The
average for 1990 was 38.28.

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 by: David North - Mon, 9 May 2022 05:48 UTC

On 08/05/2022 22:08, mike davis wrote:

> I notice that Glamorgan had 3 oz born players in thier side. I wonder whats
> the record for overseas players from 1 test country in a county XI? I remember
> that in the 70s when warwicks won the CC, maybe 1972, they had a lot
> of west indians in their squad. They def had kanhai and kallicharan, prob
> Murray and Gibbs too.

Yes, all four played (individually) at least 14 matches that season.
They all played v Middx at Edgbaston on 17-20 June, and probably quite a
few other matches. All but Murray were born in British Guiana.

Also Marnus bowled 30 overs in Glamorgans match,
> he cant have done that too often.

He's only bowled 30+ overs in a FC match once before. On that occasion,
in 2019, he bowled 44 overs in Northants' only innings as they made 750.

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 by: John Hall - Mon, 9 May 2022 08:59 UTC

In message <74aa318c-c335-4832-afa5-d42fbc940a58n@googlegroups.com>,
mike davis <dmike2004@gmail.com> writes
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>I notice that Glamorgan had 3 oz born players in thier side. I wonder
>whats the record for overseas players from 1 test country in a county
>XI? I remember that in the 70s when warwicks won the CC, maybe 1972,
>they had a lot of west indians in their squad. They def had kanhai and
>kallicharan, prob Murray and Gibbs too.

I remember that too. ISTR there was one match in the 1970s when they
fielded five West Indians. One doesn't need to be RH to think that that
can't have been good for English cricket.
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On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 7:08:37 PM UTC+10, John Hall wrote:
> I remember that too. ISTR there was one match in the 1970s when they
> fielded five West Indians. One doesn't need to be RH to think that that
> can't have been good for English cricket.

Debatable.
If 1 team in 18 did that it might very well be excellent for English cricket. Overall.
If 18 teams did that it would be bad.

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On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 10:08:37 AM UTC+1, John Hall wrote:
> In message <74aa318c-c335-4832...@googlegroups.com>,
> mike davis <dmik...@gmail.com> writes
> <snip>
> >I notice that Glamorgan had 3 oz born players in thier side. I wonder
> >whats the record for overseas players from 1 test country in a county
> >XI? I remember that in the 70s when warwicks won the CC, maybe 1972,
> >they had a lot of west indians in their squad. They def had kanhai and
> >kallicharan, prob Murray and Gibbs too.
> I remember that too. ISTR there was one match in the 1970s when they
> fielded five West Indians. One doesn't need to be RH to think that that
> can't have been good for English cricket.

Well John, if you think that you are like it or not on the same page as me. When I do one of my count of foreigners in a full CC round of matches there are plenty of examples with teams sport 3 or more foreigners.

How do you feel about this :

Middlesex in the 1980s fielded

Wayne Daniel Born in Barbados
Norman Cowans born in Jamaica,
Wilf Slack born in Troumaca, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines
Neil Williams born in Saint Vincent, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines
Roland V Butcher born in Barbados

There was a group of black spectators who would regularly attend and complain that there were not enough black players in the Mddx side. (Honest!)

All managed to be selected for England (along with many other black players playing for other clubs, eg Devon Malcolm, , Chris Lewis, Phillip De Freitus , Small, .

It was this influx into the England side which eventually prompted Christopher Martin-Jenkins to complain about "the selectors being obsessed with pace bowlers of West Indian descent

RH

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On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 8:22:17 PM UTC+10, RH wrote:
> How do you feel about this :

Ted Dexter, born in Italy.

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 by: RH - Mon, 9 May 2022 10:31 UTC

On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 11:22:17 AM UTC+1, RH wrote:
> On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 10:08:37 AM UTC+1, John Hall wrote:
> > In message <74aa318c-c335-4832...@googlegroups.com>,
> > mike davis <dmik...@gmail.com> writes
> > <snip>
> > >I notice that Glamorgan had 3 oz born players in thier side. I wonder
> > >whats the record for overseas players from 1 test country in a county
> > >XI? I remember that in the 70s when warwicks won the CC, maybe 1972,
> > >they had a lot of west indians in their squad. They def had kanhai and
> > >kallicharan, prob Murray and Gibbs too.
> > I remember that too. ISTR there was one match in the 1970s when they
> > fielded five West Indians. One doesn't need to be RH to think that that
> > can't have been good for English cricket.
> Well John, if you think that you are like it or not on the same page as me. When I do one of my count of foreigners in a full CC round of matches there are plenty of examples with teams sport 3 or more foreigners.
>
> How do you feel about this :
>
> Middlesex in the 1980s fielded
>
> Wayne Daniel Born in Barbados
> Norman Cowans born in Jamaica,
> Wilf Slack born in Troumaca, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines
> Neil Williams born in Saint Vincent, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines
> Roland V Butcher born in Barbados

Sorry, , I wrongly put Wayne Daniel as playing for England... RH

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On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 11:27:08 AM UTC+1, jzfre...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 8:22:17 PM UTC+10, RH wrote:
> > How do you feel about this :
> Ted Dexter, born in Italy.

Irrelevant because he was brought up in England, was educated at an English Public School and went to an English University. RH

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