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Re: State of County Cricket

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 by: RH - Mon, 9 May 2022 10:56 UTC

On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 6:04:18 AM UTC+1, nos...@lane-farm.fsnet.co.uk wrote:
> On 08/05/2022 09:56, RH wrote:
> > On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 6:49:51 PM UTC+1, John Hall wrote:
> >> In message <9fd8bad6-46b3-4a6d...@googlegroups.com>, RH
> >> <anywh...@gmail.com> writes
> >>> On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 11:32:49 AM UTC+1, jzfre...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>> I'm listening to this live stream of Lancashire vs Warwickshire while
> >>>> I pass some time;
> >>>>
> >>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1t6upodk8yQ
> >>>>
> >>>> Daniel Gidney, the Chief Executive of Lancashire CC, has just
> >>>> finished a long chat about the state of CC.
> >>>>
> >>>> He thinks the biggest problem is the pitches, and the lack of
> >>>> incentive to make good pitches.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> How does he explain the heavy scoring in April/May this year? RH
> >> I don't know how HE explains it, but have read that the seam on the
> >> Dukes ball has been reduced in prominence this season, which - combined
> >> with generally decent weather - seems the most likely explanation.
> >
> > The Duke ball does have a less prominent seam but it cannot be that different. Even in 1990 when a ball with a less prominent seam was used it did not emasculate bowlers in the way this year's Duke ball has done.
> The overall bowling average in the CC so far this season is 35.22. The
> average for 1990 was 38.28.
>
> --
> David North

It is worth remembering that 1990 was very hot and dry. It remains to be seen what 2022 will turn out to be the same., Nonetheless, the fact that t 2022 to date is not a million miles away from 1990 is telling... RH

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 by: John Hall - Mon, 9 May 2022 15:55 UTC

In message <db9c0757-f790-4adc-b418-fd5c05238e72n@googlegroups.com>, RH
<anywhere156@gmail.com> writes
>On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 11:27:08 AM UTC+1, jzfre...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 8:22:17 PM UTC+10, RH wrote:
>> > How do you feel about this :
>> Ted Dexter, born in Italy.
>
>
>Irrelevant because he was brought up in England, was educated at an
>English Public School and went to an English University. RH

I believe - but haven't checked - that Cowans, Slack and Roland Butcher
were also brought up and educated in England.
--
John Hall
"Home is heaven and orgies are vile,
But you *need* an orgy, once in a while."
Ogden Nash (1902-1971)

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 by: Mike Holmans - Mon, 9 May 2022 16:30 UTC

On Mon, 9 May 2022 16:55:28 +0100, John Hall <john_nospam@jhall.co.uk>
wrote:

>In message <db9c0757-f790-4adc-b418-fd5c05238e72n@googlegroups.com>, RH
><anywhere156@gmail.com> writes
>>On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 11:27:08 AM UTC+1, jzfre...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 8:22:17 PM UTC+10, RH wrote:
>>> > How do you feel about this :
>>> Ted Dexter, born in Italy.
>>
>>
>>Irrelevant because he was brought up in England, was educated at an
>>English Public School and went to an English University. RH
>
>I believe - but haven't checked - that Cowans, Slack and Roland Butcher
>were also brought up and educated in England.

They're black .... RH

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 by: RH - Mon, 9 May 2022 16:46 UTC

On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 5:03:38 PM UTC+1, John Hall wrote:
> In message <db9c0757-f790-4adc...@googlegroups.com>, RH
> <anywh...@gmail.com> writes
> >On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 11:27:08 AM UTC+1, jzfre...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 8:22:17 PM UTC+10, RH wrote:
> >> > How do you feel about this :
> >> Ted Dexter, born in Italy.
> >
> >
> >Irrelevant because he was brought up in England, was educated at an
> >English Public School and went to an English University. RH
> I believe - but haven't checked - that Cowans, Slack and Roland Butcher
> were also brought up and educated in England.

I have done a few for you. All of those listed were 11 or older.

Woki

Gordon Greenide came to the UK when he was 14 and opted to play for the West Indies. rather than England. . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gordon_Greenidge Early_life RH

Cricinfo

Norman Cowans was born in Jamaica but his family moved to England when he was 11

Wki

Roland Butcher had come to the United Kingdom at the age of thirteen from his native Barbados

Wiki

Slack's family migrated from the Windward Islands to High Wycombe in Buckinghamshire, England, when he was 11 years old.[3]

Cricinfo

Gladstone Small
He came to England from Barbados just after his 14th birthday, the cut-off date for automatic qualification

Cricinfo

Devon Malcolm
in Kingston, Jamaica,[4] he emigrated to Sheffield in 1979 and studied there at Richmond College.[5] [aged 16]

RH

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 by: RH - Mon, 9 May 2022 16:47 UTC

On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 5:30:22 PM UTC+1, Mike Holmans wrote:
> On Mon, 9 May 2022 16:55:28 +0100, John Hall <john_...@jhall.co.uk>
> wrote:
> >In message <db9c0757-f790-4adc...@googlegroups.com>, RH
> ><anywh...@gmail.com> writes
> >>On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 11:27:08 AM UTC+1, jzfre...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>> On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 8:22:17 PM UTC+10, RH wrote:
> >>> > How do you feel about this :
> >>> Ted Dexter, born in Italy.
> >>
> >>
> >>Irrelevant because he was brought up in England, was educated at an
> >>English Public School and went to an English University. RH
> >
> >I believe - but haven't checked - that Cowans, Slack and Roland Butcher
> >were also brought up and educated in England.
> They're black .... RH

Yet more forgery by master Unwholesome... RH

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 by: Andy Walker - Mon, 9 May 2022 16:48 UTC

On 09/05/2022 10:59, jack fredricks wrote:
> On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 7:08:37 PM UTC+10, John Hall wrote:
>> [...] ISTR there was one match in the 1970s when [Warks]
>> fielded five West Indians. One doesn't need to be RH to think that that
>> can't have been good for English cricket.
> Debatable.
> If 1 team in 18 did that it might very well be excellent for English
> cricket. Overall.
> If 18 teams did that it would be bad.

Not so, or at least not clearly so; but the reasoning depends
on what you think the purpose and culture of the county game is about.

For those who think that the sole purpose of county cricket is
to provide a steady supply of Test/T20I players, then the key to that
is for enough players to fill out Test and Lions squads to be able to
show their paces. Those squads, inc reserves and a few hopefuls, come
to perhaps 50 players; around 25% of the county total. IOW, there is
no good reason [for those who think that way] for more than four or so
of each county team to be English. Counties will want more than that
to be engaged, so that there are sufficient reserves and chances for
new youngsters. But there is no problem [again in this scenario] if
five or six of each county team are foreigners; indeed, there is merit
in the teams being as strong as possible, to give English players the
best competition, so as many as possible overseas Test players should
be engaged. However, it seems to me very difficult to justify county
cricket along those lines, as a permanent client of ECB, depending
almost entirely on central funds to keep going.

For those who, like me, believe that the county game [whether
CC or T20 or ...] is a worthwhile set-up in its own right, then a
strong England side is a consequence of strong county sides, subject,
as above, to at least a handful of places being occupied by England-
qualified players. Note that this mirrors the state of football in
the UK; supporters want /both/ a strong England team and a strong
local FL team, whether in the Premiership or lower down the divisions;
we look for success /both/ the England team in internationals and by
our local teams in Europe and the League.

In such a set-up, what matters is that supporters can identify
with the team. When Notts were in the doldrums with a team of
"foreigners" [non-locals], the members revolted; ever since, the
county has had a working "youth" policy, and has produced a steady
stream of new young players, as well as importing a fair number of
players from other count[r]ies. Over the decades, this has worked
well. No-one I talk to at TB bats an eyelid over the number of
Australians or Lancastrians in the side. What matters is that the
team performs tolerably well [taking rough with smooth over a few
seasons and competitions]. If some of our players get picked for
England, that's a matter of local pride. IMO, that's how it should
be. As in a nearby thread, finances are still a worry, and it's not
good that county cricket [other than T20] depends so much on central
hand-outs. But that's another, though related, matter.

--
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 by: RH - Mon, 9 May 2022 18:57 UTC

On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 5:48:26 PM UTC+1, Andy Walker wrote:
> On 09/05/2022 10:59, jack fredricks wrote:
> > On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 7:08:37 PM UTC+10, John Hall wrote:
> >> [...] ISTR there was one match in the 1970s when [Warks]
> >> fielded five West Indians. One doesn't need to be RH to think that that
> >> can't have been good for English cricket.
> > Debatable.
> > If 1 team in 18 did that it might very well be excellent for English
> > cricket. Overall.
> > If 18 teams did that it would be bad.
> Not so, or at least not clearly so; but the reasoning depends
> on what you think the purpose and culture of the county game is about.
>
> For those who think that the sole purpose of county cricket is
> to provide a steady supply of Test/T20I players, then the key to that
> is for enough players to fill out Test and Lions squads to be able to
> show their paces. Those squads, inc reserves and a few hopefuls, come
> to perhaps 50 players; around 25% of the county total. IOW, there is
> no good reason [for those who think that way] for more than four or so
> of each county team to be English. Counties will want more than that
> to be engaged, so that there are sufficient reserves and chances for
> new youngsters. But there is no problem [again in this scenario] if
> five or six of each county team are foreigners; indeed, there is merit
> in the teams being as strong as possible, to give English players the
> best competition, so as many as possible overseas Test players should
> be engaged. However, it seems to me very difficult to justify county
> cricket along those lines, as a permanent client of ECB, depending
> almost entirely on central funds to keep going.
>
> For those who, like me, believe that the county game [whether
> CC or T20 or ...] is a worthwhile set-up in its own right, then a
> strong England side is a consequence of strong county sides, subject,
> as above, to at least a handful of places being occupied by England-
> qualified players. Note that this mirrors the state of football in
> the UK; supporters want /both/ a strong England team and a strong
> local FL team, whether in the Premiership or lower down the divisions;
> we look for success /both/ the England team in internationals and by
> our local teams in Europe and the League.
>
> In such a set-up, what matters is that supporters can identify
> with the team. When Notts were in the doldrums with a team of
> "foreigners" [non-locals], the members revolted; ever since, the
> county has had a working "youth" policy, and has produced a steady
> stream of new young players, as well as importing a fair number of
> players from other count[r]ies. Over the decades, this has worked
> well. No-one I talk to at TB bats an eyelid over the number of
> Australians or Lancastrians in the side. What matters is that the
> team performs tolerably well [taking rough with smooth over a few
> seasons and competitions]. If some of our players get picked for
> England, that's a matter of local pride. IMO, that's how it should
> be. As in a nearby thread, finances are still a worry, and it's not
> good that county cricket [other than T20] depends so much on central
> hand-outs. But that's another, though related, matter.

Oh dear, no matter how many times Dr B-M has the obvious ill effect of foreigners in county sides explained to him - taking places from English players (especially places in the upper batting order and pace bowling places,) allowing foreigners to acclimatise themselves to English conditions , foreigners captaining CC sides and so on) - he still refuses to accept the obvious.

Since the abolition of the 2 year qualification rule in 1969 foreigners have flooded into county cricket and the England side has performed less well . Fact.

No other Test playing country has flooded its domestic FC competition with foreigners Fact. RH

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 by: jack fredricks - Mon, 9 May 2022 23:41 UTC

On Tuesday, May 10, 2022 at 2:48:26 AM UTC+10, Andy Walker wrote:
> On 09/05/2022 10:59, jack fredricks wrote:
> > On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 7:08:37 PM UTC+10, John Hall wrote:
> >> [...] ISTR there was one match in the 1970s when [Warks]
> >> fielded five West Indians. One doesn't need to be RH to think that that
> >> can't have been good for English cricket.
> > Debatable.
> > If 1 team in 18 did that it might very well be excellent for English
> > cricket. Overall.
> > If 18 teams did that it would be bad.
> Not so, or at least not clearly so; but the reasoning depends
> on what you think the purpose and culture of the county game is about.

I understand people have different views on this. But my view is similar to that of Daniel Gidney's, as posted above.

A County's job is to host international cricket, supplying the Test team with players, and support recreational cricket.
One or more of those, that is. They should all aspire to do all 3.

But like any business, a County's first real job is to *survive*. They can't achieve the real objectives if they're not around to do so.

If Counties rely upon ECB monies to survive, then they have a bigger responsibility to the ECB.
If a County doesn't want this responsibility, then as far as I'm concerned they can take their bat and ball and playing field and go home. They can break off and start their own competition, funded by themselves.

Back to your reply.. it's not clear to me what you "not so" is referring to.. 1 in 18 being excellent, or 18 in 18 being bad.

My view on foreigners is "overall English players benefit from playing with high quality imports". There are some costs, however; less English players, good practice for Aussies in English conditions prior to Ashes in England.. But as I said, overall I think it's worth it.
I think 18 in 18 having 5 imports is bad as the pool of English players becomes too small. I'm sure the quality of cricket would be excellent, though!

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 by: Mike Holmans - Tue, 10 May 2022 01:02 UTC

On Mon, 9 May 2022 17:48:24 +0100, Andy Walker <anw@cuboid.co.uk>
wrote:

> For those who think that the sole purpose of county cricket is
>to provide a steady supply of Test/T20I players, then the key to that
>is for enough players to fill out Test and Lions squads to be able to
>show their paces.

> For those who, like me, believe that the county game [whether
>CC or T20 or ...] is a worthwhile set-up in its own right, then a
>strong England side is a consequence of strong county sides, subject,
>as above, to at least a handful of places being occupied by England-
>qualified players.

I think it's truer to say that the sole justification for
/subsidising/ county cricket is that it should provide a steady
supply, blah, blah, blah. If it isn't going to produce international
cricketers, it's not worth paying for it to try and produce them and
we should pay for something else, given that internationl cricket is
where we can rake in enough money to pay anybody at all.

Cheers,

Mike

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 by: David North - Tue, 10 May 2022 05:04 UTC

On 09/05/2022 11:51, RH wrote:
> On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 11:27:08 AM UTC+1, jzfre...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 8:22:17 PM UTC+10, RH wrote:
>>> How do you feel about this :
>> Ted Dexter, born in Italy.
>
>
> Irrelevant because he was brought up in England, was educated at an English Public

So what?

> School and went to an English University. RH

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 by: David North - Tue, 10 May 2022 05:40 UTC

On 08/05/2022 10:43, John Hall wrote:
> In message <0a84fff7-827a-47f8-8a6e-0eaae2b53f73n@googlegroups.com>, RH
> <anywhere156@gmail.com> writes
>> The Duke ball does have a less prominent seam but it cannot be that
>> different. Even in 1990 when a  ball with a less prominent seam  was
>> used it did not emasculate bowlers in the way this year's Duke ball
>> has done.
>
> I'd disagree about 1990. I still remember Surrey 707-9d v Lancashire 963
> (scores from memory, but I'm fairly confident that they are right).

It was 863. No team has ever made 900 in a CC innings. The record is 887
by Yorks v Warks in 1896. 863 is the 2nd-highest.

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 by: David North - Tue, 10 May 2022 06:23 UTC

On 09/05/2022 11:56, RH wrote:
> On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 6:04:18 AM UTC+1, nos...@lane-farm.fsnet.co.uk wrote:
>> On 08/05/2022 09:56, RH wrote:
>>> On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 6:49:51 PM UTC+1, John Hall wrote:
>>>> In message <9fd8bad6-46b3-4a6d...@googlegroups.com>, RH
>>>> <anywh...@gmail.com> writes
>>>>> On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 11:32:49 AM UTC+1, jzfre...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>> I'm listening to this live stream of Lancashire vs Warwickshire while
>>>>>> I pass some time;
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1t6upodk8yQ
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Daniel Gidney, the Chief Executive of Lancashire CC, has just
>>>>>> finished a long chat about the state of CC.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> He thinks the biggest problem is the pitches, and the lack of
>>>>>> incentive to make good pitches.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> How does he explain the heavy scoring in April/May this year? RH
>>>> I don't know how HE explains it, but have read that the seam on the
>>>> Dukes ball has been reduced in prominence this season, which - combined
>>>> with generally decent weather - seems the most likely explanation.
>>>
>>> The Duke ball does have a less prominent seam but it cannot be that different. Even in 1990 when a ball with a less prominent seam was used it did not emasculate bowlers in the way this year's Duke ball has done.
>> The overall bowling average in the CC so far this season is 35.22. The
>> average for 1990 was 38.28.
>
> It is worth remembering that 1990 was very hot and dry.

The second half of the summer certainly was (but then it's been very dry
so far this season). Not so much earlier in the season, when New Zealand
were here.

> It remains to be seen what 2022 will turn out to be the same.

It also remains to be seen whether the high average will be maintained.

--
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 by: jack fredricks - Tue, 10 May 2022 06:57 UTC

On Tuesday, May 10, 2022 at 4:23:16 PM UTC+10, nos...@lane-farm.fsnet.co.uk wrote:
> > It remains to be seen what 2022 will turn out to be the same.
> It also remains to be seen whether the high average will be maintained.

Robert Key recently said in the last few seasons April has been high scoring, and mid-summer lower scoring.

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 by: John Hall - Tue, 10 May 2022 08:53 UTC

In message <d6894e6d-0fee-4ab9-980a-82734a21471bn@googlegroups.com>,
jack fredricks <jzfredricks@gmail.com> writes
>On Tuesday, May 10, 2022 at 4:23:16 PM UTC+10,
>nos...@lane-farm.fsnet.co.uk wrote:
>> > It remains to be seen what 2022 will turn out to be the same.
>> It also remains to be seen whether the high average will be maintained.
>
>Robert Key recently said in the last few seasons April has been high
>scoring, and mid-summer lower scoring.

That does seem to have been the case. We've had a few dry Aprils
recently, which may help to explain it. In 2020 April was warm and dry,
and last year - though cold - I think was also dry.
--
John Hall
"Home is heaven and orgies are vile,
But you *need* an orgy, once in a while."
Ogden Nash (1902-1971)

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 by: John Hall - Tue, 10 May 2022 08:51 UTC

In message <jduc5vFllt9U1@mid.individual.net>, David North
<nospam@lane-farm.fsnet.co.uk> writes
>On 08/05/2022 10:43, John Hall wrote:
>> In message <0a84fff7-827a-47f8-8a6e-0eaae2b53f73n@googlegroups.com>,
>>RH <anywhere156@gmail.com> writes
>>> The Duke ball does have a less prominent seam but it cannot be that
>>>different. Even in 1990 when a  ball with a less prominent seam  was
>>>used it did not emasculate bowlers in the way this year's Duke ball
>>>has done.
>> I'd disagree about 1990. I still remember Surrey 707-9d v Lancashire
>>963 (scores from memory, but I'm fairly confident that they are
>>right).
>
>It was 863. No team has ever made 900 in a CC innings. The record is
>887 by Yorks v Warks in 1896. 863 is the 2nd-highest.
>

Thanks. I'd been having increasing misgivings after saying "963", but
was too lazy to look up the correct figure.
--
John Hall
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But you *need* an orgy, once in a while."
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On Tuesday, May 10, 2022 at 9:57:16 AM UTC+1, John Hall wrote:
> In message <jduc5v...@mid.individual.net>, David North
> <nos...@lane-farm.fsnet.co.uk> writes
> >On 08/05/2022 10:43, John Hall wrote:
> >> In message <0a84fff7-827a-47f8...@googlegroups.com>,
> >>RH <anywh...@gmail.com> writes
> >>> The Duke ball does have a less prominent seam but it cannot be that
> >>>different. Even in 1990 when a ball with a less prominent seam was
> >>>used it did not emasculate bowlers in the way this year's Duke ball
> >>>has done.
> >> I'd disagree about 1990. I still remember Surrey 707-9d v Lancashire
> >>963 (scores from memory, but I'm fairly confident that they are
> >>right).
> >
> >It was 863. No team has ever made 900 in a CC innings. The record is
> >887 by Yorks v Warks in 1896. 863 is the 2nd-highest.
> >

wasnt 1990 when hick made 1000 runs in may? i dont think anyones come
close since. Has any player this year got a chance with all these big tons?
Maybe Masood at derbys?

mike

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 by: Andy Walker - Tue, 10 May 2022 13:06 UTC

On 10/05/2022 00:41, jack fredricks wrote:
> I understand people have different views on this. But my view is
> similar to that of Daniel Gidney's, as posted above.
> A County's job is to host international cricket, supplying the Test
> team with players, and support recreational cricket. One or more of
> those, that is. They should all aspire to do all 3.

Those are just words.

-- How many international hosts do we need? There aren't enough Tests
to go round, and in any case it's daft for all the counties to maintain
their grounds in readiness just in case someone decides some day to stage
a Test or other international there. /If/ ECB [goes off their rocker and]
decides to award a Test to Derbys [Essex, Worcs, Cornwall, ...], /then/ it
will be time for them to start planning.

-- What are counties supposed to do to supply Test players? No county
is [surely?] deliberately playing third-rate no-hopers while keeping real
Test prospects out of the side. If Bloggs can't get a place in a county
side, he's not worth a place in the national side. Or, if he /is/ in the
county side, and the selectors say "We'd like him to play in the Test next
week", which counties have been saying "No, he plays for us instead"? [In
recent times -- I expect it happened in the early days.] All the counties
can do is pick out strong local players and give them a game or three in
the first XI to see if they make the grade. Is any county not doing that?

-- "Support recreational cricket". What does that even mean? Of course
counties should encourage local cricket. Are any not doing this? Are any
not doing promotional things [opening village fetes, visiting hospitals,
offering speakers to club dinners, running nets, liaising with schools and
local leagues, ...]? It's just an example of what every medium or large
local company does as part of its "mission".

[...]
> Back to your reply.. it's not clear to me what you "not so" is
> referring to. 1 in 18 being excellent, or 18 in 18 being bad.

Eighteen in eighteen being bad. ...

> My view on foreigners is "overall English players benefit from
> playing with high quality imports". There are some costs, however;
> less English players, good practice for Aussies in English conditions
> prior to Ashes in England. But as I said, overall I think it's worth
> it. I think 18 in 18 having 5 imports is bad as the pool of English
> players becomes too small. I'm sure the quality of cricket would be
> excellent, though!

... But the pool does not become too small. Five imports leaves
scope for 6x18 == 108 regular players for the pool. If a player is not
one of the top six players in his county, what are his prospects in any
pool? Especially so with central contracts, so that most of the current
internationals are already out of the equation. Essentially, we want the
counties to supply a handful of reserves in case of injuries or loss of
form, and regular new prospects -- again a handful per season. If we
want to run a Lions squad, then the total county supply needs to be of
the order of 15-20 players, two players per county on average, a few of
them new each season. That's the level, in the UK, at which the pool is
in danger of becoming too small; 108 is way, way above that. Countries
such as Oz, NZ, WI have produced successful Test sides with much smaller
pools. Why not just trust the counties to pick their best sides?

[Note BTW that countries with fewer f-c sides still need the same
size of pool, so would need to take action much earlier if imports were
taking up most of the team; but I'm not aware of that ever being a real
problem.]

--
Andy Walker, Nottingham.
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 by: RH - Tue, 10 May 2022 14:25 UTC

On Tuesday, May 10, 2022 at 2:06:48 PM UTC+1, Andy Walker wrote:
> On 10/05/2022 00:41, jack fredricks wrote:
> > I understand people have different views on this. But my view is
> > similar to that of Daniel Gidney's, as posted above.
> > A County's job is to host international cricket, supplying the Test
> > team with players, and support recreational cricket. One or more of
> > those, that is. They should all aspire to do all 3.
> Those are just words.
>
> -- How many international hosts do we need? There aren't enough Tests
> to go round, and in any case it's daft for all the counties to maintain
> their grounds in readiness just in case someone decides some day to stage
> a Test or other international there. /If/ ECB [goes off their rocker and]
> decides to award a Test to Derbys [Essex, Worcs, Cornwall, ...], /then/ it
> will be time for them to start planning.
>
> -- What are counties supposed to do to supply Test players? No county
> is [surely?] deliberately playing third-rate no-hopers while keeping real
> Test prospects out of the side. If Bloggs can't get a place in a county
> side, he's not worth a place in the national side. Or, if he /is/ in the
> county side, and the selectors say "We'd like him to play in the Test next
> week", which counties have been saying "No, he plays for us instead"? [In
> recent times -- I expect it happened in the early days.] All the counties
> can do is pick out strong local players and give them a game or three in
> the first XI to see if they make the grade. Is any county not doing that?
>
> -- "Support recreational cricket". What does that even mean? Of course
> counties should encourage local cricket. Are any not doing this? Are any
> not doing promotional things [opening village fetes, visiting hospitals,
> offering speakers to club dinners, running nets, liaising with schools and
> local leagues, ...]? It's just an example of what every medium or large
> local company does as part of its "mission".
>
> [...]
> > Back to your reply.. it's not clear to me what you "not so" is
> > referring to. 1 in 18 being excellent, or 18 in 18 being bad.
> Eighteen in eighteen being bad. ...
> > My view on foreigners is "overall English players benefit from
> > playing with high quality imports". There are some costs, however;
> > less English players, good practice for Aussies in English conditions
> > prior to Ashes in England. But as I said, overall I think it's worth
> > it. I think 18 in 18 having 5 imports is bad as the pool of English
> > players becomes too small. I'm sure the quality of cricket would be
> > excellent, though!
> ... But the pool does not become too small. Five imports leaves
> scope for 6x18 == 108 regular players for the pool. If a player is not
> one of the top six players in his county, what are his prospects in any
> pool? Especially so with central contracts, so that most of the current
> internationals are already out of the equation. Essentially, we want the
> counties to supply a handful of reserves in case of injuries or loss of
> form, and regular new prospects -- again a handful per season. If we
> want to run a Lions squad, then the total county supply needs to be of
> the order of 15-20 players, two players per county on average, a few of
> them new each season. That's the level, in the UK, at which the pool is
> in danger of becoming too small; 108 is way, way above that. Countries
> such as Oz, NZ, WI have produced successful Test sides with much smaller
> pools. Why not just trust the counties to pick their best sides?
>
> [Note BTW that countries with fewer f-c sides still need the same
> size of pool, so would need to take action much earlier if imports were
> taking up most of the team; but I'm not aware of that ever being a real
> problem.]
> --
> Andy Walker, Nottingham.
> Andy's music pages: www.cuboid.me.uk/andy/Music
> Composer of the day: www.cuboid.me.uk/andy/Music/Composers/Hertel

Professional cricketers are not chosen at random. Hence anyone on a county staff can be assumed to have the talent to perform at that level or at least be expected to have a chance of succeeding as a FC cricketer.

t is also true that quite a few decent cricketers who don't make it as a regular FC player whose second team or minor county performances are top notch but they simply don't get a chance with a FC county first team Chris Peploe and Charlie Cook of Mddx come readily to mind.

The other problem with foreign players in CC teams is that they are not evenly spread amongst the disciplines, most foreigners being upper order batsmen and pace bowlers. That means the choice of English players in those disciplines is very restricted. RH

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 by: James Heaton - Tue, 10 May 2022 18:39 UTC

"mike" wrote in message
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On Tuesday, May 10, 2022 at 9:57:16 AM UTC+1, John Hall wrote:
> In message <jduc5v...@mid.individual.net>, David North
> <nos...@lane-farm.fsnet.co.uk> writes
> >On 08/05/2022 10:43, John Hall wrote:
> >> In message <0a84fff7-827a-47f8...@googlegroups.com>,
> >>RH <anywh...@gmail.com> writes
> >>> The Duke ball does have a less prominent seam but it cannot be that
> >>>different. Even in 1990 when a ball with a less prominent seam was
> >>>used it did not emasculate bowlers in the way this year's Duke ball
> >>>has done.
> >> I'd disagree about 1990. I still remember Surrey 707-9d v Lancashire
> >>963 (scores from memory, but I'm fairly confident that they are
> >>right).
> >
> >It was 863. No team has ever made 900 in a CC innings. The record is
> >887 by Yorks v Warks in 1896. 863 is the 2nd-highest.
> >

>wasnt 1990 when hick made 1000 runs in may? i dont think anyones come
>close since. Has any player this year got a chance with all these big tons?
>Maybe Masood at derbys?

Hick's 1000 in April and May was 1988.

1000 in May was only done 3 times - Grace, Hammond and Hallows.

1000 in April and May 5 times - Bradman twice and Edrich before thewar,
Turner and Hick after.

Nick Compton apparently came close in 2012 - had it not rained on 31st May
he probably would have done it; he passed 1,000 on 1st June

James

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 by: David North - Wed, 11 May 2022 00:56 UTC

On 10/05/2022 10:25, mike wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 10, 2022 at 9:57:16 AM UTC+1, John Hall wrote:
>> In message <jduc5v...@mid.individual.net>, David North
>> <nos...@lane-farm.fsnet.co.uk> writes
>>> On 08/05/2022 10:43, John Hall wrote:
>>>> In message <0a84fff7-827a-47f8...@googlegroups.com>,
>>>> RH <anywh...@gmail.com> writes
>>>>> The Duke ball does have a less prominent seam but it cannot be that
>>>>> different. Even in 1990 when a ball with a less prominent seam was
>>>>> used it did not emasculate bowlers in the way this year's Duke ball
>>>>> has done.
>>>> I'd disagree about 1990. I still remember Surrey 707-9d v Lancashire
>>>> 963 (scores from memory, but I'm fairly confident that they are
>>>> right).
>>>
>>> It was 863. No team has ever made 900 in a CC innings. The record is
>>> 887 by Yorks v Warks in 1896. 863 is the 2nd-highest.
>>>
>
> wasnt 1990 when hick made 1000 runs in may? i dont think anyones come
> close since. Has any player this year got a chance with all these big tons?
> Maybe Masood at derbys?

He has 713 runs, Dickson of Durham has 729, and Pujara of Sussex has
717. All of their counties have two more matches in May, so it's
certainly possible, although the second of Sussex's matches is against
the New Zealanders, so Pujara might not play in that one.

--
David North

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On Tuesday, May 10, 2022 at 7:39:44 PM UTC+1, James Heaton wrote:
> "mike" wrote in message
> news:551d9881-3011-4a11...@googlegroups.com...
> On Tuesday, May 10, 2022 at 9:57:16 AM UTC+1, John Hall wrote:
> > In message <jduc5v...@mid.individual.net>, David North
> > <nos...@lane-farm.fsnet.co.uk> writes
> > >On 08/05/2022 10:43, John Hall wrote:
> > >> In message <0a84fff7-827a-47f8...@googlegroups.com>,
> > >>RH <anywh...@gmail.com> writes
> > >>> The Duke ball does have a less prominent seam but it cannot be that
> > >>>different. Even in 1990 when a ball with a less prominent seam was
> > >>>used it did not emasculate bowlers in the way this year's Duke ball
> > >>>has done.
> > >> I'd disagree about 1990. I still remember Surrey 707-9d v Lancashire
> > >>963 (scores from memory, but I'm fairly confident that they are
> > >>right).
> > >
> > >It was 863. No team has ever made 900 in a CC innings. The record is
> > >887 by Yorks v Warks in 1896. 863 is the 2nd-highest.
> > >
>
> >wasnt 1990 when hick made 1000 runs in may? i dont think anyones come
> >close since. Has any player this year got a chance with all these big tons?
> >Maybe Masood at derbys?
> Hick's 1000 in April and May was 1988.
>
> 1000 in May was only done 3 times - Grace, Hammond and Hallows.
>
> 1000 in April and May 5 times - Bradman twice and Edrich before thewar,
> Turner and Hick after.
>
> Nick Compton apparently came close in 2012 - had it not rained on 31st May
> he probably would have done it; he passed 1,000 on 1st June
>
> James

cheers

mike

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 by: mike - Wed, 11 May 2022 20:47 UTC

On Wednesday, May 11, 2022 at 1:56:07 AM UTC+1, nos...@lane-farm.fsnet.co.uk wrote:
> On 10/05/2022 10:25, mike wrote:
> > On Tuesday, May 10, 2022 at 9:57:16 AM UTC+1, John Hall wrote:
> >> In message <jduc5v...@mid.individual.net>, David North
> >> <nos...@lane-farm.fsnet.co.uk> writes
> >>> On 08/05/2022 10:43, John Hall wrote:
> >>>> In message <0a84fff7-827a-47f8...@googlegroups.com>,
> >>>> RH <anywh...@gmail.com> writes
> >>>>> The Duke ball does have a less prominent seam but it cannot be that
> >>>>> different. Even in 1990 when a ball with a less prominent seam was
> >>>>> used it did not emasculate bowlers in the way this year's Duke ball
> >>>>> has done.
> >>>> I'd disagree about 1990. I still remember Surrey 707-9d v Lancashire
> >>>> 963 (scores from memory, but I'm fairly confident that they are
> >>>> right).
> >>>
> >>> It was 863. No team has ever made 900 in a CC innings. The record is
> >>> 887 by Yorks v Warks in 1896. 863 is the 2nd-highest.
> >>>
> >
> > wasnt 1990 when hick made 1000 runs in may? i dont think anyones come
> > close since. Has any player this year got a chance with all these big tons?
> > Maybe Masood at derbys?
> He has 713 runs, Dickson of Durham has 729, and Pujara of Sussex has
> 717. All of their counties have two more matches in May, so it's
> certainly possible, although the second of Sussex's matches is against
> the New Zealanders, so Pujara might not play in that one.
>

and all 3 born abroad who have learnt their cricket on dry hard wickets,
bit like the weather so far in the championship.

mike

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On Wednesday, 11 May 2022 at 21:47:14 UTC+1, mike wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 11, 2022 at 1:56:07 AM UTC+1, nos...@lane-farm.fsnet.co.uk wrote:
> > On 10/05/2022 10:25, mike wrote:
> > > wasnt 1990 when hick made 1000 runs in may? i dont think anyones come
> > > close since. Has any player this year got a chance with all these big tons?
> > > Maybe Masood at derbys?
> > He has 713 runs, Dickson of Durham has 729, and Pujara of Sussex has
> > 717. All of their counties have two more matches in May, so it's
> > certainly possible, although the second of Sussex's matches is against
> > the New Zealanders, so Pujara might not play in that one.
> >
> and all 3 born abroad who have learnt their cricket on dry hard wickets,
> bit like the weather so far in the championship.

Dickson was out for 5 this morning. Derbyshire and Sussex are bowling.

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 by: RH - Thu, 12 May 2022 13:40 UTC

On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 10:48:02 AM UTC+1, John Hall wrote:
> In message <0a84fff7-827a-47f8...@googlegroups.com>, RH
> <anywh...@gmail.com> writes
> >The Duke ball does have a less prominent seam but it cannot be that
> >different. Even in 1990 when a ball with a less prominent seam was
> >used it did not emasculate bowlers in the way this year's Duke ball has
> >done.
> I'd disagree about 1990. I still remember Surrey 707-9d v Lancashire 963
> (scores from memory, but I'm fairly confident that they are right).
>
> Looking up the averages for 1990: In the County Championship,
> disregarding players who played in fewer than 7 matches, 11 batsmen
> averaged over 70. Only 12 bowlers who bowled 100 balls or more averaged
> under 25.
>
> It's true that this season there are currently more batsmen with high
> averages than in 1990, but that's because at this stage of the season
> the figures are for only 4 matches. (For the same reason, there are
> currently far more bowlers with low averages than in 1990.)

The players in the 1990 season were not playing CC cricket in early April - starting from 7th April this year.

RH

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On Thursday, 12 May 2022 at 13:54:26 UTC+1, David North wrote:
> On Wednesday, 11 May 2022 at 21:47:14 UTC+1, mike wrote:
> > On Wednesday, May 11, 2022 at 1:56:07 AM UTC+1, nos...@lane-farm.fsnet.co.uk wrote:
> > > On 10/05/2022 10:25, mike wrote:
> > > > wasnt 1990 when hick made 1000 runs in may? i dont think anyones come
> > > > close since. Has any player this year got a chance with all these big tons?
> > > > Maybe Masood at derbys?
> > > He has 713 runs, Dickson of Durham has 729, and Pujara of Sussex has
> > > 717. All of their counties have two more matches in May, so it's
> > > certainly possible, although the second of Sussex's matches is against
> > > the New Zealanders, so Pujara might not play in that one.
> > >
> > and all 3 born abroad who have learnt their cricket on dry hard wickets,
> > bit like the weather so far in the championship.
> Dickson was out for 5 this morning. Derbyshire and Sussex are bowling.

With all of the FC matches up to the end of May now played (the FC Counties Select XI match v NZ isn't FC according to CricketArchive), no-one reached even 900 FC runs in the end. Ben Compton has the most, with 878 @ 109.75. Harry Brook's 840 @ 140 is also worth mentioning - his lowest score in 9 innings is 41, which is the only time he has been out for <80.

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